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2022-05-25 9:17:37 AM  
Correct, they are not supposed to care about public opinion because it lets them be impartial. It's a feature, not a bug.

Of course, when they are comprised of a bunch of unqualified partisan hacks, this is problematic. There are solutions (court packing, impeachment) but they are not going to happen.
 
2022-05-25 9:26:27 AM  
Thomas needs impeaching.
 
2022-05-25 11:03:48 AM  
Apropos of nothing, Rederplicans crow about "Second Amendment solutions" anytime they encounter even a modicum of resistance. These folks are unhinged and normalizing extremist behavior.

That being said, the folks you have to worry about aren't the ones crowing, "IMMA SHOOT YER ASS," from the rooftops. It's the quiet ones, the folks who look on and quietly convince themselves what they are doing is right and just before acting. Sure, the Islamic extremists hollared for the downfall of the US pre-9/11 but the folks who did it weren't broadcasting it. They didn't let us know ahead of time they'd attack our largest city. They took Nike's (and Shia LaBeouf's) advice and just did it.

If I were the conservative justices on the Supreme Court I'd be pissing myself in fear right about now. At least 2/3 of the population wants Roe v. Wade to stand. Regardless of how you want to frame this, the end result is that their decision will remove the precedent of privacy and bodily autonomy. First for women, but RvW is the basis for a LOT of privacy and autonomy precedent. This means even men will eventually face repercussions. Not nearly as terrible but repercussions nonetheless. That means that you're about to massively piss off a supermajority of citizens. With that proportion in mind, notice how few are publicly and dramatically calling for the aforementioned violent responses to the draft decision. Think about that in context of the previous paragraph for a moment.

Now, I am in NO way endorsing killing Justices Roberts, Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and/or Barret. I'm simply saying that knowing what I know about humanity and patterns I'd be terrified turdless right now if I were in their shoes.

/ Not endorsing it but I wouldn't weep for them, either.
 
2022-05-25 11:03:54 AM  
I don't know why they can't have term limits.
 
2022-05-25 11:21:35 AM  
Don't say the rule without consequences.  If they can pin the leaked Roe V Wade ruling on someone connected to a liberal justice, they will be out toot sweet.
 
2022-05-25 11:22:24 AM  
Ditch the Electoral College and polls like this might mean something.

Unless you're talking about majorities in shiat states.

Yes, that's what I'm going to start calling them.  Shiat states.
 
2022-05-25 11:22:32 AM  
The majority of Americans don't know what the US Supreme Court is.
 
2022-05-25 11:23:27 AM  

Mugato: I don't know why they can't have term limits.


They are term-limited. They get no more than one term. But that term is life.
 
2022-05-25 11:23:38 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Thomas needs impeaching.


So do the crazy recent additions who lied to the Senate and are there specifically to enslave American women to please the theocratic brainwashed far-right.
 
2022-05-25 11:24:17 AM  
The Oracles of Dumbfi, if you will.
 
2022-05-25 11:24:21 AM  
The "for life" part obviously needs to go.
 
2022-05-25 11:24:42 AM  

nmrsnr: Correct, they are not supposed to care about public opinion because it lets them be impartial. It's a feature, not a bug.

Of course, when they are comprised of a bunch of unqualified partisan hacks, this is problematic. There are solutions (court packing, impeachment) but they are not going to happen.


Right, the core problem isn't how the Supreme Court is set up but how Congress is set up.
 
2022-05-25 11:25:09 AM  
Shouldn't be a surprise that an illegitimate court has started spamming illegitimate opinions.
 
2022-05-25 11:26:10 AM  
There are no intelligent, reasonable adults. There may have never been.
We are farked. No one's gonna save us, no one has any idea how to.
If you thought someone was, you've seen too many movies, watched too many TV shows and read too many works of fiction.
That includes the bibble.
We are truly farked, and evil wicked men have taken control of the narrative.
 
2022-05-25 11:27:07 AM  

brokenbiscuits: Apropos of nothing, Rederplicans crow about "Second Amendment solutions" anytime they encounter even a modicum of resistance. These folks are unhinged and normalizing extremist behavior.

That being said, the folks you have to worry about aren't the ones crowing, "IMMA SHOOT YER ASS," from the rooftops. It's the quiet ones, the folks who look on and quietly convince themselves what they are doing is right and just before acting. Sure, the Islamic extremists hollared for the downfall of the US pre-9/11 but the folks who did it weren't broadcasting it. They didn't let us know ahead of time they'd attack our largest city. They took Nike's (and Shia LaBeouf's) advice and just did it.

If I were the conservative justices on the Supreme Court I'd be pissing myself in fear right about now. At least 2/3 of the population wants Roe v. Wade to stand. Regardless of how you want to frame this, the end result is that their decision will remove the precedent of privacy and bodily autonomy. First for women, but RvW is the basis for a LOT of privacy and autonomy precedent. This means even men will eventually face repercussions. Not nearly as terrible but repercussions nonetheless. That means that you're about to massively piss off a supermajority of citizens. With that proportion in mind, notice how few are publicly and dramatically calling for the aforementioned violent responses to the draft decision. Think about that in context of the previous paragraph for a moment.

Now, I am in NO way endorsing killing Justices Roberts, Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and/or Barret. I'm simply saying that knowing what I know about humanity and patterns I'd be terrified turdless right now if I were in their shoes.

/ Not endorsing it but I wouldn't weep for them, either.



If the GOP looked around one day and saw "the wrong sort" arming up and attending rallies against their policies, we'd have gun control in a minute. Self sorting, however, means that crazed gun nuts who don't value the lives of others tend to either associate directly with the GOP or be so far to the left on the horseshoe that they're Q adjacent anyway. The GOP also enjoys a higher public trust with guns since, well, they understand how they're used...
 
2022-05-25 11:27:12 AM  

nmrsnr: Correct, they are not supposed to care about public opinion because it lets them be impartial. It's a feature, not a bug.

Of course, when they are comprised of a bunch of unqualified partisan hacks, this is problematic. There are solutions (court packing, impeachment) but they are not going to happen.


This.

Having an Supreme Court independant of partisan politics and voting pressure is a fundamental part of a healthy democracy.

However, that is not today's USSC.
 
MFK
2022-05-25 11:27:20 AM  
The time to do something about this was 2016 but it was more important to punish the email lady for beating the pants off of Vermont Jesus in a primary.

This is what you protest voted for because we told you exactly this would happen and congrats. You won.
 
2022-05-25 11:27:24 AM  
Nothing five pillow couldn't solve

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2022-05-25 11:28:22 AM  
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2022-05-25 11:28:38 AM  

whidbey: Ditch the Electoral College and polls like this might mean something.

Unless you're talking about majorities in shiat states.

Yes, that's what I'm going to start calling them.  Shiat states.


You'd have to ditch the Senate, too. It's gerrymandered by state lines and only getting worse as populations migrate to the coasts and major cities. The number of red states is growing.

The shrinking likelihood of the Democrats controlling the White House and the Senate at the same time might mean we've seen the last justice to be successfully appointed by a Democrat.
 
2022-05-25 11:29:23 AM  
I know that if I wanted to destroy the United States, I would work like the devil to make sure that everyone felt her doom was a foregone conclusion, and I would mock anyone who doubted it as naive.

If I wanted to work for the destruction of the United States, that is.
 
2022-05-25 11:29:30 AM  

ilambiquated: The "for life" part obviously needs to go.


It's not for life, justices can be impeached.  It was done once before, in 1805.

The issue here is Congress, especially how the Senate is apportioned (2 per state regardless of population) and how House districts are allocated (via partisan maps with no tie to local governance structures).
 
2022-05-25 11:30:28 AM  
SCOTUS justices are absolutely able to be removed from the bench, it's just a messy process which most people do not have the stomach for.

And you need a patsy to take the fall.  Say, anyone want to crowdsource a legal defense fund?
 
2022-05-25 11:30:54 AM  
Republicans, meanwhile, gave the court a 68% approval rating this month, up from the 64% they gave it in March.
 
2022-05-25 11:31:49 AM  

Puglio: whidbey: Ditch the Electoral College and polls like this might mean something.

Unless you're talking about majorities in shiat states.

Yes, that's what I'm going to start calling them.  Shiat states.

You'd have to ditch the Senate, too. It's gerrymandered by state lines and only getting worse as populations migrate to the coasts and major cities. The number of red states is growing.

The shrinking likelihood of the Democrats controlling the White House and the Senate at the same time might mean we've seen the last justice to be successfully appointed by a Democrat.


Yeah I know, DOOOM.  It's so HIP here at Fark.
 
2022-05-25 11:33:18 AM  
Well, when ~half the country thinks some guy yelling about how we need to spend more time in church worshipping our guns is the best option to represent them in congress, what do you expect? When you put loons in charge of the government, the government will be looney tunes. The supreme court is a reflection of the congresses the justices were approved by and the presidents who nominated them.
 
2022-05-25 11:33:34 AM  
Too many of the major structural problems with America are hard-coded into the Constitution.

*The Supreme Court being unaccountable and allowing a one-term president to shape policy for decades.
*The structure of the Senate and Electoral College enabling minority rule.
*Gerrymandering (made possible by the redistricting procedures laid out in the Constitution) further enabling minority rule.
*The inability to do anything significant about gun violence because of the 2nd Amendment.

And what's worse, the amendment process laid out in the Constitution is so onerous that it would be effectively impossible to change it at this point.

I'm coming around to the view that the fundamental cultural and political problems of America cannot and will not be resolved, unless and until the country collapses and the people have the opportunity to write a new Constitution from scratch.
 
2022-05-25 11:33:48 AM  
Don't worry. Once the Democrats are in charge, they'll fix everything. That's what they do, right?
 
2022-05-25 11:34:20 AM  
The tyranny of the minority we're living under won't continue to fly under a country that was literally built around the idea that our government should include consent of the governed.
 
2022-05-25 11:35:24 AM  

whidbey: Yeah I know, DOOOM.  It's so HIP here at Fark.


would you care to ever point out anything that proves these people wrong or are you just here to whine about what they say
 
2022-05-25 11:36:05 AM  
I don't know how much longer we're going to be able to keep pretending we have a functional government.
We can't even keep school kids safe anymore.
 
2022-05-25 11:38:00 AM  

Mugato: I don't know why they can't have term limits.


Unconstitutional.
 
2022-05-25 11:38:07 AM  

nmrsnr: Correct, they are not supposed to care about public opinion because it lets them be impartial. It's a feature, not a bug.

Of course, when they are comprised of a bunch of unqualified partisan hacks, this is problematic. There are solutions (court packing, impeachment) but they are not going to happen.


They are only unqualified partisan hacks if you disagree with them. If you agree with them they are the shining defenders of all that is right and good.
 
2022-05-25 11:39:35 AM  

RTOGUY: nmrsnr: Correct, they are not supposed to care about public opinion because it lets them be impartial. It's a feature, not a bug.

Of course, when they are comprised of a bunch of unqualified partisan hacks, this is problematic. There are solutions (court packing, impeachment) but they are not going to happen.

They are only unqualified partisan hacks if you disagree with them. If you agree with them they are the shining defenders of all that is right and good.


Pretty sure that justices who vote like Republicans are Republicans.

I'm sorry that liberals pointing this out irritate you so much.

Well, not really SORRY.
 
2022-05-25 11:40:21 AM  

brokenbiscuits: Apropos of nothing, Rederplicans crow about "Second Amendment solutions" anytime they encounter even a modicum of resistance. These folks are unhinged and normalizing extremist behavior.

That being said, the folks you have to worry about aren't the ones crowing, "IMMA SHOOT YER ASS," from the rooftops. It's the quiet ones, the folks who look on and quietly convince themselves what they are doing is right and just before acting. Sure, the Islamic extremists hollared for the downfall of the US pre-9/11 but the folks who did it weren't broadcasting it. They didn't let us know ahead of time they'd attack our largest city. They took Nike's (and Shia LaBeouf's) advice and just did it.

If I were the conservative justices on the Supreme Court I'd be pissing myself in fear right about now. At least 2/3 of the population wants Roe v. Wade to stand. Regardless of how you want to frame this, the end result is that their decision will remove the precedent of privacy and bodily autonomy. First for women, but RvW is the basis for a LOT of privacy and autonomy precedent. This means even men will eventually face repercussions. Not nearly as terrible but repercussions nonetheless. That means that you're about to massively piss off a supermajority of citizens. With that proportion in mind, notice how few are publicly and dramatically calling for the aforementioned violent responses to the draft decision. Think about that in context of the previous paragraph for a moment.

Now, I am in NO way endorsing killing Justices Roberts, Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and/or Barret. I'm simply saying that knowing what I know about humanity and patterns I'd be terrified turdless right now if I were in their shoes.

/ Not endorsing it but I wouldn't weep for them, either.


We are a nation of people with no healthcare, no retirement options...full of guns and anger.
And this is the shiat they pull. Oh my.
 
2022-05-25 11:40:25 AM  

Doc Daneeka: Too many of the major structural problems with America are hard-coded into the Constitution.

*The Supreme Court being unaccountable and allowing a one-term president to shape policy for decades.
*The structure of the Senate and Electoral College enabling minority rule.
*Gerrymandering (made possible by the redistricting procedures laid out in the Constitution) further enabling minority rule.
*The inability to do anything significant about gun violence because of the 2nd Amendment.

And what's worse, the amendment process laid out in the Constitution is so onerous that it would be effectively impossible to change it at this point.

I'm coming around to the view that the fundamental cultural and political problems of America cannot and will not be resolved, unless and until the country collapses and the people have the opportunity to write a new Constitution from scratch.


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Things like the 1 to 68 problem means the nation will always have somewhat conservative laws, no matter how liberal the majority of its citizens are, if said liberals live in the wrong states.  And amending the constitution is now completely impossible on a practical level.
 
2022-05-25 11:41:35 AM  
The constitution really had nothing to say about the Supreme Court being that important.  We have to take it on faith, through their own court ruling, that they actually have the power to declare stuff unconstitutional.

Alito may have throwing out Marbury's precedent on his bucket list.
 
2022-05-25 11:41:48 AM  
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2022-05-25 11:43:19 AM  

ElwoodCuse: whidbey: Yeah I know, DOOOM.  It's so HIP here at Fark.

would you care to ever point out anything that proves these people wrong or are you just here to whine about what they say


A lot of the whining seems to be a defense of Russia from certain folks.  I'm sure folks will continue to point that out.
 
2022-05-25 11:43:23 AM  
Other than the white supremacy, predatory economic system and a complete lack of foresight, the guys that set up America did a great job.
 
2022-05-25 11:45:33 AM  
Sure, but let's not pretend we wouldn't all be praising the system as brilliant and absolutely vital to the health of the republic if they were upholding liberal positions that were less popular than conservative ones.

/ not that there are a lot of those
 
2022-05-25 11:47:50 AM  

fallingcow: Sure, but let's not pretend we wouldn't all be praising the system as brilliant and absolutely vital to the health of the republic if they were upholding liberal positions that were less popular than conservative ones.

/ not that there are a lot of those


No we wouldn't.   Don't "both sides" this shiat, we have a huge problem with the SCOTUS and you damn well know it.
 
2022-05-25 11:48:08 AM  
Things happen when a one term twice impeached guy who lost the popular vote twice is able to install 3 justices and one of those justices withheld for nearly a year to allow for that.
 
2022-05-25 11:48:41 AM  
Should've goddamned voted in 2016. Perfect is the enemy of good.
 
2022-05-25 11:48:50 AM  

Weaver95: I don't know how much longer we're going to be able to keep pretending we have a functional government.
We can't even keep school kids safe anymore.


We never have been able to.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

Now, the main weapon in this case was explosives, not a firearm, but still, 43 dead at a school in 1927...
 
2022-05-25 11:49:06 AM  

MFK: The time to do something about this was 2016 but it was more important to punish the email lady for beating the pants off of Vermont Jesus in a primary.

This is what you protest voted for because we told you exactly this would happen and congrats. You won.


2016 was too late. The elections that took place between 2010-2014 were far more important. That's when the GOP went full authoritarian and took voter suppression and gerrymandering to whole new levels that allowed them to squeak out an easy victory over a historically bad candidate.
 
2022-05-25 11:50:14 AM  

brokenbiscuits: Apropos of nothing, Rederplicans crow about "Second Amendment solutions" anytime they encounter even a modicum of resistance. These folks are unhinged and normalizing extremist behavior.

That being said, the folks you have to worry about aren't the ones crowing, "IMMA SHOOT YER ASS," from the rooftops. It's the quiet ones, the folks who look on and quietly convince themselves what they are doing is right and just before acting. Sure, the Islamic extremists hollared for the downfall of the US pre-9/11 but the folks who did it weren't broadcasting it. They didn't let us know ahead of time they'd attack our largest city. They took Nike's (and Shia LaBeouf's) advice and just did it.

If I were the conservative justices on the Supreme Court I'd be pissing myself in fear right about now. At least 2/3 of the population wants Roe v. Wade to stand. Regardless of how you want to frame this, the end result is that their decision will remove the precedent of privacy and bodily autonomy. First for women, but RvW is the basis for a LOT of privacy and autonomy precedent. This means even men will eventually face repercussions. Not nearly as terrible but repercussions nonetheless. That means that you're about to massively piss off a supermajority of citizens. With that proportion in mind, notice how few are publicly and dramatically calling for the aforementioned violent responses to the draft decision. Think about that in context of the previous paragraph for a moment.

Now, I am in NO way endorsing killing Justices Roberts, Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and/or Barret. I'm simply saying that knowing what I know about humanity and patterns I'd be terrified turdless right now if I were in their shoes.

/ Not endorsing it but I wouldn't weep for them, either.


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2022-05-25 11:50:26 AM  

whidbey: Ditch the Electoral College and polls like this might mean something.

Unless you're talking about majorities in shiat states.

Yes, that's what I'm going to start calling them.  Shiat states.


Yes, we're (the so-called shiat states) supposed to overcome gerrymandering, disenfranchisement, and voter suppression laws by voting harder?

GFY and your smug sense of superiority.
That kind of partisan assholery is worthy of the GQP.

Their majorities are arguably NOT.
Wait until they corruptly seize power in your safe haven that you risk nothing, and sabotage Democrats in battleground states, from.
They already pretty much have through the federal government.
Guess what, all states are shiat states when they belong to a shiat country.
 
2022-05-25 11:50:43 AM  
A system of checks and balances is designed by as assumption individuals will be corrupt.
 
2022-05-25 11:50:56 AM  

brokenbiscuits: Apropos of nothing, Rederplicans crow about "Second Amendment solutions" anytime they encounter even a modicum of resistance. These folks are unhinged and normalizing extremist behavior.

That being said, the folks you have to worry about aren't the ones crowing, "IMMA SHOOT YER ASS," from the rooftops. It's the quiet ones, the folks who look on and quietly convince themselves what they are doing is right and just before acting. Sure, the Islamic extremists hollared for the downfall of the US pre-9/11 but the folks who did it weren't broadcasting it. They didn't let us know ahead of time they'd attack our largest city. They took Nike's (and Shia LaBeouf's) advice and just did it.

If I were the conservative justices on the Supreme Court I'd be pissing myself in fear right about now. At least 2/3 of the population wants Roe v. Wade to stand. Regardless of how you want to frame this, the end result is that their decision will remove the precedent of privacy and bodily autonomy. First for women, but RvW is the basis for a LOT of privacy and autonomy precedent. This means even men will eventually face repercussions. Not nearly as terrible but repercussions nonetheless. That means that you're about to massively piss off a supermajority of citizens. With that proportion in mind, notice how few are publicly and dramatically calling for the aforementioned violent responses to the draft decision. Think about that in context of the previous paragraph for a moment.

Now, I am in NO way endorsing killing Justices Roberts, Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and/or Barret. I'm simply saying that knowing what I know about humanity and patterns I'd be terrified turdless right now if I were in their shoes.

/ Not endorsing it but I wouldn't weep for them, either.


Yep.  It's always the quiet ones you have to worry about.  The ones who sit in the back and listen to all the hootin' and hollerin' and don't say a thing.  They watch everyone in the room, suss out their weaknesses and their strengths, and determine who is a potential ally or a potential foe.  Then they start planning.  They are patient and logical.  And when they make their move, it's like being shot with an arrow; you don't see it or hear it until it's right on top of you, and then it's too late.

/I'm one of the quiet ones
//I wouldn't harm anyone intentionally, but I have used the above tactic at work
 
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