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2022-05-25 7:21:34 AM  
ZELENSKYY IS STILL ALIVE!!!

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Lithuania will transfer a new shipment of aid to Ukraine "to further support its defence against Russia," the Lithuanian ministry of defense said Wednesday.
On Twitter, Arvydas Anusauskas said the Baltic nation will send 20 M113 armored vehicles, 10 military trucks and 10 SUVs for demining operations.
"Our support is crucial for Ukraine's victory and defence of its sovereignty," he said, adding that "Lithuania provided the first assistance before the war started and now we are constantly thinking about additional effective support that is critical to Ukraine going forward."

Oleksandr Honcharenko, the mayor of the eastern Ukrainian city of Kramatorsk, urged residents Wednesday not to return following a Russian airstrike overnight.
"An anxious night in Kramatorsk," he wrote in a statement on Facebook. "An air strike on residential areas and the private sector. No casualties. Friends, I understand how hard it is for you outside your hometown. But the enemy is getting closer. The danger is not somewhere out there, but here - nearby! It's too early to go back, no matter how hard it is for you."
Kramatorsk saw a deadly missile strike on a railway station in early April, killing at least 50 civilians, including five children, who were evacuating the fighting in the country's east.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said on Tuesday that he can only talk with Vladimir Putin once the Russian President returns to the "real world."
"Once the President is prepared to leave his bubble of this alternative reality into the real world and talk to us, understand that a lot of people are being killed, including civilians, perhaps then, will he understand that we should start talking and should put the end to this war that he launched, his country is waging against us," Zelensky said via videoconference at a breakfast event moderated by Fareed Zakaria in Davos.
This is not the first time world leaders have accused Putin of being out of touch with reality when it comes to his motives for the war in Ukraine.
Putin said the Kremlin's invasion began to protect Russian speakers from genocide at the hands of "neo-Nazis," despite the lack of any concrete evidence. While Ukraine does have a far-right battalion playing a role in the resistance, Putin has exploited the fighting forces' neo-Nazi ties as a pretext for the warShortly after the invasion began, he referred to the country's leaders in Kyiv as a "gang of drug addicts and neo-Nazis," despite the fact that Zelensky is Jewish.
US intelligence assessed in March that Putin's advisers were not properly informing him about the status of the war, including Russia's early failures on the battlefield.
Speaking to Zakaria on Wednesday, Zelensky said he could only talk with Putin directly, "with no intermediaries, no brokers."
The Ukrainian President also said Russia should withdraw its troops and equipment as the first step in negotiations between the two countries and that Ukraine will fight until "it regains all its territory back."
The event was hosted by the Victor Pinchuk Foundation, a Ukrainian charity founded in 2006, and the investment advisory group EastOne.

British retailer Marks & Spencer (M&S) has announced it will "fully exit" the Russian in light of Moscow's invasion of Ukraine.
"M&S is a values-led business; therefore, as a result of the invasion of Ukraine, we ceased shipments to Russia on 3 March 2022," the company said in a yearly results report published Wednesday.
"Subsequently, we have made the decision to fully exit our Russian franchise and we have recognised a charge of £31 million ($38 million) in adjusting items, representing our full exit costs from Russia and business disruption in Ukraine."
Some context: M&S is the latest in a growing line of businesses that have abandoned or scaled back operations in Russia since it began its invasion of Ukraine.
On Monday, Starbucks said it had "made the decision to exit and no longer have a brand presence in the market" after having previously paused its operations and stopped shipments of its products to Russia.
Last week, McDonald's said it was selling its Russia business after operating for more than 30 years in the region.
The burger chain said the "humanitarian crisis caused by the war in Ukraine, and the precipitating unpredictable operating environment, have led McDonald's to conclude that continued ownership of the business in Russia is no longer tenable, nor is it consistent with McDonald's values."

Russia's invasion of Ukraine has effectively halted all maritime trade at Ukrainian ports, according to newly declassified US intelligence, cutting off a critical export commodity for Ukraine and risking a global food crisis.
In the months since Russia moved to invade in February, it has established an "effective blockade" in the northern third of the Black Sea, according to a US official who provided a declassified map of the region to CNN on the condition of anonymity.
The map analyzes the density of ships coming in and out of Ukrainian ports before and after the start of the conflict, showing an almost total drop-off of commercial traffic to ports in the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov after the start of the invasion. A third map provides a current visualization of the density of Russian naval vessels clustered in the Black Sea off Ukraine's coast, highlighting "hotbeds of activity," according to the US official.
"The impact of Russia's actions cannot be understated as Ukraine's seaborne exports are vital to global food security," the US official said, echoing the broad assessment of Western analysts and government officials.
Ukraine provides about 10% of the world's wheat exports, the official noted, the vast majority of which exit the country from Black Sea ports.

"Mariupol is now a city of ghosts," an adviser to the mayor of the ruined Ukrainian port city said Tuesday.
Speaking to CNN's Melissa Bell, Petro Andriushchenko - who has fled to Ukrainian-held territory - said Mariupol town hall officials believe at least 22,000 residents of the city were killed during three months of war - a figure that cannot be independently verified, with the free press now unable to access the city and those still inside too scared to speak openly.
The figure of 22,000 is based, Andriushchenko said, on the many contacts he and other town hall officials continue to have with officials trapped inside. But he believes the actual figure could be much higher.
Andriushchenko said the process of reburying the dead has been complicated by Russian official insistence that reclaimed bodies be brought to a morgue and that a person claiming a body must agree to record a video in which the applicant says the deceased was killed by the Ukrainian military.
Based on the information gathered from his network of sources, Mariupol has been thrown back to the Middle Ages, Andriushchenko said.
"It is absolutely dark inside the city. The only lights are from Russian troops and Russian patrols," he said. "Everywhere it's the smell of death and the smell of fire."
The mayor's adviser said his contacts paint a picture of a city in the grips of a humanitarian catastrophe with very little contact to the outside world. Mobile phone connections are only just beginning to be re-established.
He said residents are unable to move freely, with special passes needed for any movement within the city and a filtration system keeping them from fleeing altogether.
Mariupol has been at the center of a ferocious, months-long battle between Ukrainian government forces and Russian soldiers and pro-Russian fighters.
It officially fell to Russian forces Friday when the last group of the Azovstal fighters at the steel plant they had been holding out in for several weeks surrendered.

Russian forces have taken the contested town of Svitlodarsk in the eastern Donbas region and Ukrainian forces have withdrawn, according to Pavlo Kyrylenko, head of the Donetsk regional military administration.
"About 10,000 civilians remain in occupied Svitlodarsk," Kyrylenko said Tuesday. "No more than 30% of the population left the city. Today, May 24, the Russian army entered Svitlodarsk in the Donetsk region. Russian flags have already been hoisted there."
According to Kyrylenko, Svitlodarsk had been surrounded on three sides, and the city had not been under intense shelling, so much of the civilian population remained.
"This is not a retreat [of the Armed Forces of Ukraine], but a regrouping," he said. "This is the right and logical decision in this situation to save the lives of [the military] and regroup."
Pro-Russian Telegram channels showed images of the Russian flag being hoisted over the city administration building in Svitlodarsk.
Kyrylenko also described the situation as "very difficult" in Lyman, a city further north in Donetsk region. "The situation there is now one of the tensest along the entire front line," he said.

Russia's invasion of Ukraine may have marked the start of "a third world war," and Russian President Vladimir Putin must be defeated "as soon as possible" if the world wants to preserve civilization.
That was the stark message that Hungarian-born billionaire and philanthropist George Soros delivered on Tuesday to attendees at the 2022 World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland.
"Even when the fighting stops, as it eventually must, the situation will never revert" to where it was before, warned the 91-year-oldSoros.
"Other issues that concern all of humanity - fighting pandemics and climate change, avoiding nuclear war, maintaining global institutions - have had to take a back seat to that struggle. That's why I say civilization may not survive."
The former hedge fund manager, who is chair of Soros Fund Management LLC and founder of the Open Society Foundations, is famous for using his wealth to help foster open societies and create inclusive democracies with governments that are held accountable.
But after the events of September 11, he noted, the tide began to turn against open societies. As a result, "repressive regimes are now in the ascendance and open societies are under siege," he said Tuesday. "Today, China and Russia present the greatest threat to open society."

The Ukrainian military has for the first time released footage of special forces using foreign-made kamikaze drones targeting Russian positions. According to the Ukrainian military, the drone was equipped with a powerful explosive that caused damage to a Russian tank after it flew into it.
"The combat use of kamikaze UAVs is a constant practice for SOF of Ukraine in the war with Russian invaders," the Ukrainian military said. "This is a good example of how the help of foreign partners together with the training and professionalism of our soldiers give positive results at the front."
The US sent 100 Switchblade drones to the Ukrainian military in April. The small, portable, so-called kamikaze drones carry warheads and detonate on impact. The smallest model can hit a target up to 6 miles (about 10 kilometers) away, according to a company that produces the drones.

The Slovakian Prime Minister issued a stark warning about the future of his country should Russia defeat Ukraine during a panel at the World Economic Forum in Davos Wednesday.
"If Ukraine fails, Slovakia is next," Prime Minister Eduard Heger told other EU and business leaders. 
"They (Ukraine) have to win," he said.
Heger went on to criticize members of the European Union for relying too heavily on Russian energy. He urged leaders to "stop compromising" their principles when dealing with Russia.
"We basically traded our values for cheap gas and oil for too long," he said. "Compromising with Putin caused a war in Ukraine. An aggressive war, people are dying." 
Ukrainians are "shedding their own blood for our values, so we don't have to," Heger said.
Entry into the Union: Heger asked the bloc to work with Ukraine and the western Balkans to come up with "standardized rules so they can accede to the EU."
Ukraine has, in recent years, deepened its economic and political ties with the EU, and Kyiv has expressed a desire to join. Nations in the western Balkans have also sought accession for several years.
Joining the bloc usually takes several years, as nations must satisfy strict criteria for membership before engaging in negotiations.
However, some current EU leaders have rebuffed the idea that its membership could be fast-tracked due to the invasion.
"There's no such thing as a fast-tracking of accession, such a thing doesn't exist," Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte said in March.
 
2022-05-25 7:31:15 AM  
Be interesting to see what some escorts for commercial shipping might garner.
 
2022-05-25 7:35:13 AM  
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2022-05-25 7:40:14 AM  
The bit that got me was the sale of the football team.  For $5B.  All of which is being seized and used for reparations and humanitarian aid.

While all this is good...  isn't there a bit of a legal grey area here?  Yes, I realize the current owner is under sanctions, and as such property is subject to seizure.  But these sanctions usually end at some point.  Isn't the property usually returned at same time?

If so, this amounts to a $5B theft.  The idea is to squeeze these bastards, not rob them blind.

/And no, I am not pro-Russia... just flabbergasted.
 
2022-05-25 7:42:58 AM  
 
2022-05-25 7:54:52 AM  
 
2022-05-25 8:03:46 AM  
Putin plans to use starvation as a tool of conquest.  Maybe we should just nuke him.
 
2022-05-25 8:06:41 AM  
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2022-05-25 8:12:52 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Putin plans to use starvation as a tool of conquest.  Maybe we should just nuke him.


cant. makes us worse than him.

'sides, the people who are gonna starve are going to be the poor, like always. In africa, yemen, etc. He's not interested in conquering those places.
 
2022-05-25 8:17:03 AM  
Володимир Зеленський
@ZelenskyyUa
Ukraine government official
Deeply saddened by the news of the murder of innocent children in Texas. Sincere condolences to the families of the victims, the people of the US and @POTUS  over this tragedy. The people of Ukraine share the pain of the relatives and friends of the victims and all Americans.
3:51 AM · May 25, 2022
 
2022-05-25 8:24:03 AM  

Tracianne: Володимир Зеленський
@ZelenskyyUa
Ukraine government official
Deeply saddened by the news of the murder of innocent children in Texas. Sincere condolences to the families of the victims, the people of the US and @POTUS  over this tragedy. The people of Ukraine share the pain of the relatives and friends of the victims and all Americans.
3:51 AM · May 25, 2022



Honestly wondering here....

Do you think between buffalo, TX and all the other small scale rando shootings that happen on a daily basis in the US every day that more american civilians have been killed in the last few weeks than in Ukraine? i know the army is a different story but civilians just out doing their day, shopping, whatever.

the fact that i even kinda thought about this and wondered if the data was available is appalling in its own right.
 
2022-05-25 8:27:41 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Putin plans to use starvation as a tool of conquest.  Maybe we should just nuke him.


BuT ThEn He WilL UsE NuClEaR WeApOnS!!!11!
 
2022-05-25 8:32:21 AM  

Father_Jack: Tracianne: Володимир Зеленський
@ZelenskyyUa
Ukraine government official
Deeply saddened by the news of the murder of innocent children in Texas. Sincere condolences to the families of the victims, the people of the US and @POTUS  over this tragedy. The people of Ukraine share the pain of the relatives and friends of the victims and all Americans.
3:51 AM · May 25, 2022


Honestly wondering here....

Do you think between buffalo, TX and all the other small scale rando shootings that happen on a daily basis in the US every day that more american civilians have been killed in the last few weeks than in Ukraine? i know the army is a different story but civilians just out doing their day, shopping, whatever.

the fact that i even kinda thought about this and wondered if the data was available is appalling in its own right.


But today is about the 'Thoughts and Prayers! (TM)'!  It's too soon to talk about gun control!  We must grieve for these poor families!

/Instead of getting off your farking arse and enacting some decent laws
//Or hell, enforcing the original constitution.  You want a gun, fine.  Join an official, regulated militia (not a white power organization), and you'll be allowed *A* rifle.  Not a farking gun made for war.  Handguns, nope.  Those are not for civilians.  If you are an actual hunter, allowed multiple riffles depending on game.
 
2022-05-25 8:33:14 AM  

GrogSmash: If so, this amounts to a $5B theft.


How much were all the destroyed Ukrainian cities and dead Ukrainian citizens worth?
 
2022-05-25 8:33:45 AM  
 
2022-05-25 8:36:59 AM  

Father_Jack: Tracianne: Володимир Зеленський
@ZelenskyyUa
Ukraine government official
Deeply saddened by the news of the murder of innocent children in Texas. Sincere condolences to the families of the victims, the people of the US and @POTUS  over this tragedy. The people of Ukraine share the pain of the relatives and friends of the victims and all Americans.
3:51 AM · May 25, 2022


Honestly wondering here....

Do you think between buffalo, TX and all the other small scale rando shootings that happen on a daily basis in the US every day that more american civilians have been killed in the last few weeks than in Ukraine? i know the army is a different story but civilians just out doing their day, shopping, whatever.

the fact that i even kinda thought about this and wondered if the data was available is appalling in its own right.


Not even close.

I mean, we suck, yeah, but there are a LOT of civilians dying in UA.
 
2022-05-25 8:38:01 AM  

namegoeshere: Father_Jack: Tracianne: Володимир Зеленський
@ZelenskyyUa
Ukraine government official
Deeply saddened by the news of the murder of innocent children in Texas. Sincere condolences to the families of the victims, the people of the US and @POTUS  over this tragedy. The people of Ukraine share the pain of the relatives and friends of the victims and all Americans.
3:51 AM · May 25, 2022


Honestly wondering here....

Do you think between buffalo, TX and all the other small scale rando shootings that happen on a daily basis in the US every day that more american civilians have been killed in the last few weeks than in Ukraine? i know the army is a different story but civilians just out doing their day, shopping, whatever.

the fact that i even kinda thought about this and wondered if the data was available is appalling in its own right.

Not even close.

I mean, we suck, yeah, but there are a LOT of civilians dying in UA.


And that is something to be said. We suck, yes, but less than russia.

Yeah us?
 
2022-05-25 8:38:26 AM  

namegoeshere: namegoeshere: Father_Jack: Tracianne: Володимир Зеленський
@ZelenskyyUa
Ukraine government official
Deeply saddened by the news of the murder of innocent children in Texas. Sincere condolences to the families of the victims, the people of the US and @POTUS  over this tragedy. The people of Ukraine share the pain of the relatives and friends of the victims and all Americans.
3:51 AM · May 25, 2022


Honestly wondering here....

Do you think between buffalo, TX and all the other small scale rando shootings that happen on a daily basis in the US every day that more american civilians have been killed in the last few weeks than in Ukraine? i know the army is a different story but civilians just out doing their day, shopping, whatever.

the fact that i even kinda thought about this and wondered if the data was available is appalling in its own right.

Not even close.

I mean, we suck, yeah, but there are a LOT of civilians dying in UA.

And that is something to be said. We suck, yes, but less than russia.

Yeah us?


Yay, not yeah. Stupid autocorrect.
 
2022-05-25 8:40:06 AM  

bloobeary: GrogSmash: If so, this amounts to a $5B theft.

How much were all the destroyed Ukrainian cities and dead Ukrainian citizens worth?


Any you missed the point entirely.  That is on the government and army of Russia, not citizens.  Yes, ok, the guy is one of the mafia lords.  But again, usually when these items are seized as part of sanctions, AFAIK, they are returned when the sanctions are lifted.

I note that the funds from the Russian government haven't been seized (to the tune of what, $284B) just frozen, yet the property of a private individual has been seized and will be sold off with no recompense.

That is where my issue is.
 
2022-05-25 8:50:12 AM  
 
2022-05-25 8:52:30 AM  

GrogSmash: The bit that got me was the sale of the football team.  For $5B.  All of which is being seized and used for reparations and humanitarian aid.

While all this is good...  isn't there a bit of a legal grey area here?  Yes, I realize the current owner is under sanctions, and as such property is subject to seizure.  But these sanctions usually end at some point.  Isn't the property usually returned at same time?

If so, this amounts to a $5B theft.  The idea is to squeeze these bastards, not rob them blind.

/And no, I am not pro-Russia... just flabbergasted.


No, f&ck em.

Plus, British law allows seizures like this.
 
2022-05-25 8:55:19 AM  
 
2022-05-25 8:58:52 AM  
Solvakia needs to accept peace by ceding land to Russia.  Why won't they do that?

- NYT Editorial Staff
 
2022-05-25 9:00:25 AM  
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Counteroffer from Denmark: How about we just give Ukraine harpoon missiles and they blow all your ships out of the water?
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2022-05-25 9:00:40 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: GrogSmash: The bit that got me was the sale of the football team.  For $5B.  All of which is being seized and used for reparations and humanitarian aid.

While all this is good...  isn't there a bit of a legal grey area here?  Yes, I realize the current owner is under sanctions, and as such property is subject to seizure.  But these sanctions usually end at some point.  Isn't the property usually returned at same time?

If so, this amounts to a $5B theft.  The idea is to squeeze these bastards, not rob them blind.

/And no, I am not pro-Russia... just flabbergasted.

No, f&ck em.

Plus, British law allows seizures like this.


You don't become an oligarch in Russia without being part of the machine.

There's no moral grey area here, if you're confiscating something owned by a wealthy Russia national, you're confiscating it from exactly the right person.
 
2022-05-25 9:01:40 AM  

Tracianne: KyivPost
@KyivPost
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#Nike is leaving the Russian market. The company has decided not to extend the franchising agreement with Inventive Retail Group that oversees 37 Nike retail stores in #Russia.


A track suit shortage might be the thing that breaks Russia.
 
2022-05-25 9:01:51 AM  

Tracianne: KyivPost
@KyivPost
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#Nike is leaving the Russian market. The company has decided not to extend the franchising agreement with Inventive Retail Group that oversees 37 Nike retail stores in #Russia.


When Addidas leaves, THAT will truly hurt the russians.
 
2022-05-25 9:04:00 AM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: Tracianne: KyivPost
@KyivPost
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#Nike is leaving the Russian market. The company has decided not to extend the franchising agreement with Inventive Retail Group that oversees 37 Nike retail stores in #Russia.

When Addidas leaves, THAT will truly hurt the russians.


Was going to say this.
 
2022-05-25 9:04:26 AM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: Tracianne: KyivPost
@KyivPost
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20s
#Nike is leaving the Russian market. The company has decided not to extend the franchising agreement with Inventive Retail Group that oversees 37 Nike retail stores in #Russia.

When Addidas leaves, THAT will truly hurt the russians.


They left in early March.
 
2022-05-25 9:04:45 AM  

Tracianne: NEXTA
@nexta_tv
❗Advisor to the mayor of #Mariupol, Pyotr Andryushchenko, said that at least 22 thousand citizens died in #Mariupol during the three months of the war.


faaaaaaaaaaaark me.

<removes hat>
 
2022-05-25 9:06:26 AM  
 
2022-05-25 9:06:40 AM  

GrogSmash: bloobeary: GrogSmash: If so, this amounts to a $5B theft.

How much were all the destroyed Ukrainian cities and dead Ukrainian citizens worth?

Any you missed the point entirely.  That is on the government and army of Russia, not citizens.  Yes, ok, the guy is one of the mafia lords.  But again, usually when these items are seized as part of sanctions, AFAIK, they are returned when the sanctions are lifted.

I note that the funds from the Russian government haven't been seized (to the tune of what, $284B) just frozen, yet the property of a private individual has been seized and will be sold off with no recompense.

That is where my issue is.


Normally proceeds from a criminal enterprise that are seized are not returned so the oligarchs are f'd. The Russian government funds are technically the property of the citizens of Russia so those are only frozen.
 
2022-05-25 9:07:51 AM  
<threadjack>

I farking hate this timeline, and i'm not convinced this isn't the Ragnarok, or that it didn't start back in in 2001.

Russian war, massive rise in rampage killings, dogs and cats passing before their time, Coronavirus and now monkeypox, insurrectionist assholes, the GQP....

fark everything about this timeline.

</threadjack>
 
2022-05-25 9:08:53 AM  
 
2022-05-25 9:09:20 AM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: Tracianne: KyivPost
@KyivPost
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#Nike is leaving the Russian market. The company has decided not to extend the franchising agreement with Inventive Retail Group that oversees 37 Nike retail stores in #Russia.

When Addidas leaves, THAT will truly hurt the russians.


did you see the "Life of Boris" where he explained the  and why it was such a big deal? was quite interesting. evidently comes originally from the olympics, if his info is right. The Soviet team wore it in 1980 and it caught on.

I love Life of Boris. I think he's probably the only positive Russian softpower i can think of (altho i dont think he even lives in RU)

Why Slavs wear Adidas
Youtube 5-l-OkR5yDk
 
2022-05-25 9:11:11 AM  

Mr. Tweedy: GrogSmash: bloobeary: GrogSmash: If so, this amounts to a $5B theft.

How much were all the destroyed Ukrainian cities and dead Ukrainian citizens worth?

Any you missed the point entirely.  That is on the government and army of Russia, not citizens.  Yes, ok, the guy is one of the mafia lords.  But again, usually when these items are seized as part of sanctions, AFAIK, they are returned when the sanctions are lifted.

I note that the funds from the Russian government haven't been seized (to the tune of what, $284B) just frozen, yet the property of a private individual has been seized and will be sold off with no recompense.

That is where my issue is.

Normally proceeds from a criminal enterprise that are seized are not returned so the oligarchs are f'd. The Russian government funds are technically the property of the citizens of Russia so those are only frozen.


Again... don't you have to actually prove that it from a criminal enterprise?  Now, obviously, he's one of the mafia lords, of course it is.  But prove it.  Document it.  Do it by the book.  Not just "*Yoink!* Ours!  Not yours! Sucks to be you!"

As for the funds of the Russian government... well, the government is the one who actually orchestrated the war, not specific individuals (mafia lords).  The funds of the government SHOULD be seized for restitution.
 
2022-05-25 9:11:39 AM  

GrogSmash: The bit that got me was the sale of the football team.  For $5B.  All of which is being seized and used for reparations and humanitarian aid.

While all this is good...  isn't there a bit of a legal grey area here?  Yes, I realize the current owner is under sanctions, and as such property is subject to seizure.  But these sanctions usually end at some point.  Isn't the property usually returned at same time?

If so, this amounts to a $5B theft.  The idea is to squeeze these bastards, not rob them blind.

/And no, I am not pro-Russia... just flabbergasted.


No, it amounts to a punishment. The asset was either obtained via a criminal enterprise or was being used to fund one. Either way, the criminal does not deserve to be compensated for its loss. 

If we can do it to drug dealers, we can do it to oligarchs.
 
2022-05-25 9:12:53 AM  

GrogSmash: Yes, ok, the guy is one of the mafia


Kind of the entire point.

When a government is owned and operated by criminals for the benefit of those same criminals, then those criminals are directly responsible for any criminal actions of that government.

They are not mere citizens. They are guilty parties.
 
2022-05-25 9:13:54 AM  
Ukraine aid links

A month and a half into the war (day 44), many of us felt helpless and listless at not being able to do more to help, so I started a list of things that we can do.

There are plenty of charities that could use your help, but even if you don't have spare cash lying about, there are still things you can do so keep reading


You can donate directly to Ukraine if you want to help them make more videos of tanks blowing up. (See 'military aid' below)

There are lots of humanitarian groups working to feed the displaced people and even their pets.  (See 'humanitarian aid')

And even if you're not in a position to give cash, you might be able to find a group that needs some volunteer help or attend a protest.  If you don't have a group in your area specifically helping Ukraine, you can likely still find other worthwhile causes.  And there are groups that have tasks that can be done online or over the phone without even leaving your home. (See 'other notes'). Even just calling politicians to remind them that we need to support Ukrainians.

You could even just call out dumbasses online who are spreading russian propaganda and otherwise spewing toxic crap.  And by ignoring or blocking the assholes on here who try that shiat.

And you can even support capitalism, and buy stuff made in Ukraine or are fundraisers for the war effort.  (See 'buying stuff')

This is in no way a comprehensive list.  This is just groups that Farkers have mentioned in past threads.  If you want a more comprehensive list, see https://supportukrainenow.org . They also have links to specific groups by country that you're coming from for protests, taking in refugees, etc.  You might also find interesting charities at https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/tgc00n/want_to_support_ukraine_heres_a_list_of_charities/

If you're currently employed by a large-ish company, they may have a donation matching program.  You can check https://doublethedonation.com/but it's also worth contacting your HR to ask even if they're not listed there.

...

Military aid (or mixed with a military component):

United24, the central Ukrainian website for donations for defense, de-mining, medical aid, and rebuilding:  https://u24.gov.ua

Come Back Alive:  https://www.comebackalive.in.ua

Prytula Foundation (includes lists of needed supplies):  https://prytulafoundation.org/en

Volunteers for Ukraine (for Americans who specifically want a 501(c)3 for their military aid):   https://volunteerforukraine.org/donate/

Humanitarian aid:

Voices of Children:  https://voices.org.ua/en/

World Central Kitchen:  https://donate.wck.org/give/393234/#!/donation/checkout

Red Cross / Red Crescent:  https://donate.redcrossredcrescent.org/ua/donate/~my-donation

UN Human Rights Council:  https://www.unhcr.org/en-us/ukraine-emergency.html

UNICEF:  https://www.unicefusa.org/stories/unicef-children-crossfire-ukraine-crisis/39542?form=FUNKBHMZQDQ
For Canadians:  https://www.unicef.ca/en

International Rescue Foundation (via TripAdvisor matching page):  https://www.tripadvisor.com/vpages/refugee_relief.html

International Rescue Committee:  https://www.rescue.org/article/how-does-irc-respond-emergency-ukraine

A Kyiv bakery distributing bread to people in need:  https://eng.goodbread.com.ua

Ukrainian Emergency Art Fund:  https://ueaf.moca.org.ua

Canadian-Ukraine Foundation:  https://www.cufoundation.ca

Some newer organizations focused on Ukraine efforts:
Myria Aid:  https://www.mriyaaid.org
Ukraine Aid Ops:  https://www.amazon.com/registries/custom/HMNYO2ISQGNP

Animal welfare groups operating in Ukraine (or Poland for refugees with pets):  https://happypaw.ua/en/ ;
https://www.ifaw.org/action/ukraine-emergency-aid-update ;  https://www.facebook.com/shelterFriendDnepr ;  https://www.karg.kiev.ua/https://animal-id.net/en/donate


Other notes & ways to help:

You should also check to see if your employer has a donation matching program.  Some may be listed at https://doublethedonation.com/

If you want to fund reporting of the war:  https://www.gofundme.com/f/kyivindependent-launch;  https://www.patreon.com/kyivindependent

If you can't donate money, but have free time and the health to do it, consider volunteering your time to groups to help them free up money to spend in the Ukraine.

You can search Charity Navigator ( https://www.charitynavigator.org ) or GuideStar (https://www.guidestar.org/NonprofitDirectory.aspx) for terms like Ukraine, and look find a group near you that needs extra hands.  If you can't find a Ukraine specific one, pick another one with a mission that you support.

If you want to donate drones, medical supplies and such:  https://www.mriyaaid.org/aid

If you want to have a supper club or bake sale fundraiser and would like recipes:  https://www.cookforukraine.org

There are even ways to contribute online, for the home bound people:

Saving Ukrainian Cultural Heritage Online (SUCHO):  https://www.sucho.org

Shadows Project (Survey for what cultural stuff they should put online, and an Instagram page of Ukrainian art):  https://beacons.page/shadows.project

Ukrainian Global University needs volunteers to talk educational institutions into helping displaced students:  https://uglobal.university/

Learn about Ukrainian History (and raise funds):  https://youtube.com/watch?v=tl070rPB58M

If you're a US citizen, call your congress critters and let them know how you feel:  (202) 224-3121.  Or if you want to sponsor refugees:  https://ukraine.welcome.us

There are also efforts to DDoS Russian websites, but I'm not linking to them to avoid risking the mods removing this whole list.

Also see the official Ukrainian website on ways to support their effort:  https://war.ukraine.ua/support-ukraine/


Buying stuff made in Ukraine or as fundraisers:

Beer:  https://drinkersforukraine.com
A comic book:  https://zoop.gg/c/comicsforukraine
Shirts, stickers and flags (Canadian):  https://www.saintjavelin.com/
Shirts, jackets, hoodies (Ukranian):  https://www.aviatsiyahalychyny.com/en/
Clothing (Texas imports from Ukraine):  https://www.ukiestyle.com
Video games (Ukrainian fArmy):  https://ukrainian.itch.io/ukrainian-farmy
Games studios in Ukraine: https://store.steampowered.com/developer/StarniGames ;  https://store.steampowered.com/developer/nightcatstudios
T-shirts and art (Ukraine):  https://artforukraine.world/
Posters (Europe?):  https://againstwar.gallery
Metal signs:  https://displate.com/stand-with-ukraine/make-art-not-war
Patches (made by TelemonianAjax):  https://www.etsy.com/listing/1182030528/iron-on-patch-set-of-8-ukraine-childrens

If you buy stuff on Amazon, go to https://smile.amazon.com/ and in settings, go to 'Your AmazonSmile' and designate a charity to receive a fraction of your purchases whenever you use the 'smile' website to buy stuff.

If you're still feeling anxious or depressed about this whole thing, consider professional help, but I also found the book 'Lost Connections' helped me years ago:  https://fourminutebooks.com/lost-connections-summary/


PS.  There is no need to tell us what you do (but you can if you need it to help keep your sanity)
PPS.  If you reply to stuff in this thread, please trim down your reply
PPPS. If you want me to add something, reply with a link
 
2022-05-25 9:13:59 AM  
In today's long video, I skipped to 11:30. It's a fun video of the Bayraktar song, and a good way to start the day.
Worth a minute of your time. Also, thread started out with dogs instead of cats today. Does Ukraine celebrate woofday wednesday?
Update from Ukraine | ruzzians don't know what to do
Youtube wQMn_R_tzQQ
 
2022-05-25 9:14:19 AM  
Welcome to Day 91 of Putin's Folly.
No Rocky and Bullwinkle jokes today, my heart isn't in it.
Have a good day and hug the people you love.
 
2022-05-25 9:14:34 AM  
With things as they are at the minute, it seems to me like Russia will eventually win, but Putin also cannot be allowed to take more than he has. If he manages to take those 2 provinces in eastern Ukraine he's just going to keep pushing on all borders, and continue to successfully distract his own population from their terrible country.

/What I'm saying is, I hope a well placed aneurysm solves this problem for us.
 
2022-05-25 9:15:37 AM  
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2022-05-25 9:15:58 AM  

Kit Fister: <threadjack>

I farking hate this timeline, and i'm not convinced this isn't the Ragnarok, or that it didn't start back in in 2001.

Russian war, massive rise in rampage killings, dogs and cats passing before their time, Coronavirus and now monkeypox, insurrectionist assholes, the GQP....

fark everything about this timeline.

</threadjack>


And they discontinued mandatory use of the one vaccine that provides about 80% protection from MonkeyPox about 3 years before I was born.

Not that I have anything to worry about since it requires close personal contact.  And apparently be homosexual...  the new "Gay Plague".  How long until Fox latches onto that I wonder...

/Not homophobic (Well... being honest, I don't get it, but it ain't my bits involved... fark who you like)
//Just noting the apparent transmission vector and affected population
 
2022-05-25 9:16:50 AM  
Scraping the bottom of the barrel.

https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1529404520828133380

#Ukraine: Videos recently appeared showing ancient T-62M & T-62MV tanks being moved from military storage in Rostov Oblast & Crimea, for possible use in UA. These are stored in the Russian mobilisation reserve- but most were already donated to Tajikistan, LNA (Libya) & Syria.
 
2022-05-25 9:17:37 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: ZELENSKYY IS STILL ALIVE!!!


Happy Wednesday to you!
 
2022-05-25 9:18:21 AM  

Kit Fister: <threadjack>

I farking hate this timeline, and i'm not convinced this isn't the Ragnarok, or that it didn't start back in in 2001.

Russian war, massive rise in rampage killings, dogs and cats passing before their time, Coronavirus and now monkeypox, insurrectionist assholes, the GQP....

fark everything about this timeline.

</threadjack>


I get it but life has always sucked. In the wise words of one Homer Simpson, "The worse day of your life, so far."
 
2022-05-25 9:18:43 AM  

CheatCommando: GrogSmash: The bit that got me was the sale of the football team.  For $5B.  All of which is being seized and used for reparations and humanitarian aid.

While all this is good...  isn't there a bit of a legal grey area here?  Yes, I realize the current owner is under sanctions, and as such property is subject to seizure.  But these sanctions usually end at some point.  Isn't the property usually returned at same time?

If so, this amounts to a $5B theft.  The idea is to squeeze these bastards, not rob them blind.

/And no, I am not pro-Russia... just flabbergasted.

No, it amounts to a punishment. The asset was either obtained via a criminal enterprise or was being used to fund one. Either way, the criminal does not deserve to be compensated for its loss. 

If we can do it to drug dealers, we can do it to oligarchs.


Again.  PROVE IT BY LAW.  Then seize it.  Otherwise it is theft by government.  Sure, seize it.  Ensure he can't profit from it while seized... but until you can prove it was corruption all the way down, you can't steal it.
 
Juc [TotalFark]
2022-05-25 9:20:53 AM  

Tracianne: Anton Gerashchenko
@Gerashchenko_en
Did you know that 🇺🇦 emergency service has a diver dog?🐶
This is Naida, a new collaborator of the group of search, diving and rescue operations of the rescue team of #Cherkasy region.
The divers decided to teach a purebred shepherd, who showed discipline and passion for water!

[pbs.twimg.com image 360x356][pbs.twimg.com image 680x450]

Second tweet in the thread has video of Naida


I dunnnoooo  its no dolphin
 
2022-05-25 9:22:11 AM  

leviosaurus: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: ZELENSKYY IS STILL ALIVE!!!

Happy Wednesday to you!


Today we're going to be talking about Agile German Dialects. Get your notes.
 
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