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2022-05-25 10:03:18 AM  
Three is less than four, leaving me with one fewer.
 
2022-05-25 10:09:56 AM  
I bet whoever wrote this is right about less things fewer often than I am.
 
2022-05-25 10:14:05 AM  
You mean "pedanting incorrectly".
 
2022-05-25 10:29:03 AM  
Dude comes right up to understanding why "less" is used with concepts and then still wrote this crap.
 
2022-05-25 10:41:59 AM  
The crux of the argument being made, as usual, is an appeal to a history of the language that predates unified systems of rules, coupled with a separate appeal to common usage.

One purpose of language is pure, unadulterated communication of ideas.  In that realm, whatever.  Let anarchy reign supreme.

But the other underlying purpose of language is to communicate those ideas *elegantly*.  Litter your novel with spelling mistakes, repetitive diction and inattentiveness to style and grammar and see how little these types of things matter.
 
2022-05-25 10:57:04 AM  
Let's talk about will vs. shall!
 
2022-05-25 11:07:18 AM  

psychosis_inducing: Let's talk about will vs. shall!


I shall not and ask if you will desist.
 
2022-05-25 11:30:24 AM  

BeesNuts: The crux of the argument being made, as usual, is an appeal to a history of the language that predates unified systems of rules, coupled with a separate appeal to common usage.

One purpose of language is pure, unadulterated communication of ideas.  In that realm, whatever.  Let anarchy reign supreme.

But the other underlying purpose of language is to communicate those ideas *elegantly*.  Litter your novel with spelling mistakes, repetitive diction and inattentiveness to style and grammar and see how little these types of things matter.


"...Meanwhile, the poor Babel fish, by effectively removing all barriers to communication between different races and cultures, has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation."
 
2022-05-25 11:37:59 AM  
Anything that annoys the precious souls who have deeply-held convictions about this sort of thing is fine by me. See also: bad kerning and Comic Sans
 
2022-05-25 11:44:09 AM  

InfoFreako: Anything that annoys the precious souls who have deeply-held convictions about this sort of thing is fine by me. See also: bad kerning and Comic Sans


"I made it ugly on purpose.  Because I am petty."
 
2022-05-25 11:50:51 AM  
The English language is terrible and makes no sense. As a previous/sometimes English teacher, this is a rule I only really used when an ESL student needed help understanding why their less/fewer usage just "sounded wrong" to native English speakers. Most native English speakers could scrape by with a looser understanding of it, and generally needed so much help on the content of their papers that it was a pretty low-order concern.

/ugh, freshman comp
//WHERE IS YOUR THESIS?
 
2022-05-25 12:00:02 PM  
I've been trying to be fewer pedantic but it's hard
 
2022-05-25 12:01:29 PM  

gonegirl: The English language is terrible and makes no sense. As a previous/sometimes English teacher, this is a rule I only really used when an ESL student needed help understanding why their less/fewer usage just "sounded wrong" to native English speakers. Most native English speakers could scrape by with a looser understanding of it, and generally needed so much help on the content of their papers that it was a pretty low-order concern.

/ugh, freshman comp
//WHERE IS YOUR THESIS?


Maybe this is why I dislike these flippant "anything goes!" pronouncements.

Teaching ESL.

Sure, if you've grown up your entire life speaking and hearing the language, who gives a fark if you're following paltry "rules" or "conventions".  understand can bad even language you, after all.

Everyone else is being forced to learn our farked up language, however, and teaching them (or younger kids) that some things are technically correct but "awkward" is awful.

/In another 250 years, we'll be communicated entirely in grunts, rude gestures and pictures of memes
 
2022-05-25 12:05:04 PM  
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2022-05-25 12:25:52 PM  
It's "PER-danting".
 
2022-05-25 2:45:38 PM  

ImpendingCynic: You mean "pedanting incorrectly".


I would also have accepted, "wrongly".
 
2022-05-25 2:49:18 PM  

gonegirl: //WHERE IS YOUR THESIS?


I've never liked the idea that there has to be a single sentence somewhere that states your thesis. I mean, how gauche is that? Why not let the introductory paragraph create an ambiguous cloud of subtle, sometimes contradictory thoughts, out of which the reader can draw whatever thesis they prefer?
 
2022-05-25 3:10:50 PM  

Enigmamf: gonegirl: //WHERE IS YOUR THESIS?

I've never liked the idea that there has to be a single sentence somewhere that states your thesis. I mean, how gauche is that? Why not let the introductory paragraph create an ambiguous cloud of subtle, sometimes contradictory thoughts, out of which the reader can draw whatever thesis they prefer?


Given the state of modern journalism, this may be more useful training for the next generation of professional writers.
 
2022-05-25 5:07:27 PM  
you can either read that dreck or watch this
"Weird Al" Yankovic - Word Crimes
Youtube 8Gv0H-vPoDc


or neither. do whatever you want.
 
2022-05-25 5:29:52 PM  

eKonk: BeesNuts: The crux of the argument being made, as usual, is an appeal to a history of the language that predates unified systems of rules, coupled with a separate appeal to common usage.

One purpose of language is pure, unadulterated communication of ideas.  In that realm, whatever.  Let anarchy reign supreme.

But the other underlying purpose of language is to communicate those ideas *elegantly*.  Litter your novel with spelling mistakes, repetitive diction and inattentiveness to style and grammar and see how little these types of things matter.

"...Meanwhile, the poor Babel fish, by effectively removing all barriers to communication between different races and cultures, has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation."


I don't know how, but I'm going to drop this innocently into some conversation in the future.
 
2022-05-25 7:20:36 PM  

tom baker's scarf: you can either read that dreck or watch this
[YouTube video: "Weird Al" Yankovic - Word Crimes]

or neither. do whatever you want.


"Weird Al" Yankovic - grammar lesson
Youtube RGWiTvYZR_w
 
2022-05-25 7:53:22 PM  

BeesNuts: Enigmamf: gonegirl: //WHERE IS YOUR THESIS?

I've never liked the idea that there has to be a single sentence somewhere that states your thesis. I mean, how gauche is that? Why not let the introductory paragraph create an ambiguous cloud of subtle, sometimes contradictory thoughts, out of which the reader can draw whatever thesis they prefer?

Given the state of modern journalism, this may be more useful training for the next generation of professional writers.


I've noticed that most journalism these days sandwiches the real story between some random person affected by it. Instead of writing an article like "shiat is expensive now. Here are a few paragraphs about it," they write "Irma is going over the household budget. shiat is expensive now. Here are a few paragraphs about it. For Irma, shiat is expensive."
 
2022-05-25 10:18:00 PM  
You're not my editor.
 
2022-05-26 12:07:59 AM  

psychosis_inducing: BeesNuts: Enigmamf: gonegirl: //WHERE IS YOUR THESIS?

I've never liked the idea that there has to be a single sentence somewhere that states your thesis. I mean, how gauche is that? Why not let the introductory paragraph create an ambiguous cloud of subtle, sometimes contradictory thoughts, out of which the reader can draw whatever thesis they prefer?

Given the state of modern journalism, this may be more useful training for the next generation of professional writers.

I've noticed that most journalism these days sandwiches the real story between some random person affected by it. Instead of writing an article like "shiat is expensive now. Here are a few paragraphs about it," they write "Irma is going over the household budget. shiat is expensive now. Here are a few paragraphs about it. For Irma, shiat is expensive."


Simpsons did it...

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2022-05-26 5:39:47 PM  
Coincidentally this morning I stepped on the scale and weighed fewer.
 
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