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2022-05-25 9:22:32 AM  

johnphantom: WilderKWight: johnphantom: 60 days huh? I got that for my second DUI. I didn't kill or injure anyone, and all I tried to overthrow was my stomach full of alcohol.

On behalf of everyone else on the roads: STOP DRIVING DRUNK YOU DUMB-ASS!!!

That was 1990, and I haven't drank in 6 years, dumbass.


So you didn't learn your lesson until six years ago.
 
2022-05-25 9:22:43 AM  
Oh and BTW, the judge said he wished he didn't have to give me the minimum mandatory 2 months. I drove drunk the day after my father died. So f*ck you Wilder, go to Hell.
 
2022-05-25 9:31:48 AM  

johnphantom: Oh and BTW, the judge said he wished he didn't have to give me the minimum mandatory 2 months. I drove drunk the day after my father died. So f*ck you Wilder, go to Hell.


Still making excuses for being a terrible person that day?
 
2022-05-25 9:34:05 AM  

Intrepid00: johnphantom: Oh and BTW, the judge said he wished he didn't have to give me the minimum mandatory 2 months. I drove drunk the day after my father died. So f*ck you Wilder, go to Hell.

Still making excuses for being a terrible person that day?


See above.
 
2022-05-25 9:37:05 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: I'm sure that slap on the wrist for trying to overthrow the government will really teach them, and they'll never do it again.


Ever done 60 days, bud? Do you think you still have a job afterwards? Do you have a couple mortgage payments, utility bills and credit card patments in your savings?
 
2022-05-25 9:37:27 AM  

Bondith: Original: Original Tweet:

ryanjreilly: Judge Royce C. Lamberth noted once again that he got rolled when he sentenced Anna Morgan Lloyd to probation, and then she went on Laura Ingraham and downplayed her actions. "It turned out I have a hard time discerning sincerity," Lamberth says.

That would seem like it would be an important skill for a farking judge.


With respect, I think you are totally wrong. Judges should not be expected to be able to judge people sincerity

The people who always will do the best job of making themselves seem the most sincere are the pathological liar. Those who know how to manipulate others and get their way, those who routinely deceive others in order to get ahead in life. The very people you want to not believe. Another group who will do a good job is the self-pitying narcissist who will be very and intensely contrie only because they got caught. In the moment they are talking to you they're expressing their incredible woeful terrible sorrow for what they have done, and the moment that they are finished, all that sorrow goes away in their back to their old selves

What we should be teaching judges is some basic farking psychology. How do law schools get away with not teaching any of this. Human beings lie, and you can't see the lies on their faces because the good liar will trick you. The person who isn't clever or charming or conniving, but is scared will often seem like they're lying because they will be inconsistent. This notion in law enforcement that people are smooth and cool and only crack under pressure is insane

This notion that judges have that they can be objective and truly put their feelings aside, is insane. No human being is truly objective, we all want to believe we are but it's a lie we tell ourselves

So I don't think we should teach judges to somehow I understand the sincerity have a person who's been caught and convicted of a crime. I think we should teach them some psychology
 
2022-05-25 9:39:05 AM  

Paul Baumer: Tyrone Slothrop: I'm sure that slap on the wrist for trying to overthrow the government will really teach them, and they'll never do it again.

Ever done 60 days, bud? Do you think you still have a job afterwards? Do you have a couple mortgage payments, utility bills and credit card patments in your savings?


Right? Like, attempting to overthrow the government deserves a harsher sentence, but a couple months in prison is still absolutely life-altering for everyone who isn't in the sort of celebrity/athlete/super-rich class where nothing really matters.
 
2022-05-25 9:43:56 AM  

Dafatone: Paul Baumer: Tyrone Slothrop: I'm sure that slap on the wrist for trying to overthrow the government will really teach them, and they'll never do it again.

Ever done 60 days, bud? Do you think you still have a job afterwards? Do you have a couple mortgage payments, utility bills and credit card patments in your savings?

Right? Like, attempting to overthrow the government deserves a harsher sentence, but a couple months in prison is still absolutely life-altering for everyone who isn't in the sort of celebrity/athlete/super-rich class where nothing really matters.


Thank you for adding the summary I should have in my original. That's precisely what I was trying to convey.
 
2022-05-25 9:48:39 AM  

Dafatone: Paul Baumer: Tyrone Slothrop: I'm sure that slap on the wrist for trying to overthrow the government will really teach them, and they'll never do it again.

Ever done 60 days, bud? Do you think you still have a job afterwards? Do you have a couple mortgage payments, utility bills and credit card patments in your savings?

Right? Like, attempting to overthrow the government deserves a harsher sentence, but a couple months in prison is still absolutely life-altering for everyone who isn't in the sort of celebrity/athlete/super-rich class where nothing really matters.


And yet, the War on Drugs...
 
2022-05-25 9:50:39 AM  

Wynn Duffy's Eyebrows: Ragin' Asian: This is the facial expression of a baby with their binky.

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It's funny cause that's a Nerf gun painted black


Oh yeah, I have that one in the garage.
 
2022-05-25 9:51:50 AM  

Bslim: "It turned out I have a hard time discerning sincerity," Lamberth says

Translation from whiteglish: She wasn't Black, so what was I supposed to do, throw her in jail!?


My first thought was literally "sounds about white."
 
2022-05-25 9:53:40 AM  

Raoul Eaton: Bondith: Original: Original Tweet:

ryanjreilly: Judge Royce C. Lamberth noted once again that he got rolled when he sentenced Anna Morgan Lloyd to probation, and then she went on Laura Ingraham and downplayed her actions. "It turned out I have a hard time discerning sincerity," Lamberth says.

That would seem like it would be an important skill for a farking judge.

It turns out that humans really suck at detecting lies.  It's not a skill you can develop, either, aside from the most basic ability to identify inconsistent statements and obvious untruths.  People who claim a special ability to detect lies really have just developed an ability to fool themselves.  This includes police, lawyers, and judges.


There are physical cues that indicate if someone is lying. They're not proof, or consistent across people, but they'll clue you in that the person might be lying.
 
2022-05-25 10:03:10 AM  
a. Judge saw her a genuinely contrite.

b. Judge saw her comments afterwards.

c. Judge genuinely contrite.

Where is d.? There is always a d.
 
2022-05-25 10:19:04 AM  

Paul Baumer: Tyrone Slothrop: I'm sure that slap on the wrist for trying to overthrow the government will really teach them, and they'll never do it again.

Ever done 60 days, bud? Do you think you still have a job afterwards? Do you have a couple mortgage payments, utility bills and credit card patments in your savings?


I've never gone on a trip to commit insurrection either.
If I had a job, I wouldn't be able to.
You think this person has a job like a normal person, making responsible payments and decisions in their life?
It's a slap on the wrist.
They will also have tons of financial support (just got paid to be on Republican propaganda, remember?)
 
2022-05-25 10:20:52 AM  

Dafatone: Paul Baumer: Tyrone Slothrop: I'm sure that slap on the wrist for trying to overthrow the government will really teach them, and they'll never do it again.

Ever done 60 days, bud? Do you think you still have a job afterwards? Do you have a couple mortgage payments, utility bills and credit card patments in your savings?

Right? Like, attempting to overthrow the government deserves a harsher sentence, but a couple months in prison is still absolutely life-altering for everyone who isn't in the sort of celebrity/athlete/super-rich class where nothing really matters.


LOL it absolutely is not "life-altering".
She took time to go committing insurrection.
She took time to go on Republican propaganda.
She has plenty of financial backing.
 
2022-05-25 10:27:10 AM  
Free every single person sitting in jails on marijuana charges and replace them with Republicans.
 
2022-05-25 10:36:51 AM  

Begoggle: Dafatone: Paul Baumer: Tyrone Slothrop: I'm sure that slap on the wrist for trying to overthrow the government will really teach them, and they'll never do it again.

Ever done 60 days, bud? Do you think you still have a job afterwards? Do you have a couple mortgage payments, utility bills and credit card patments in your savings?

Right? Like, attempting to overthrow the government deserves a harsher sentence, but a couple months in prison is still absolutely life-altering for everyone who isn't in the sort of celebrity/athlete/super-rich class where nothing really matters.

LOL it absolutely is not "life-altering".
She took time to go committing insurrection.
She took time to go on Republican propaganda.
She has plenty of financial backing.


First, this whole thread is kind of a mess because that's not what happened. There are two different defendants. The first one was given probation and immediately ran to Ingraham and whined about how she did nothing wrong. The second one got 60 days because the judge now says "I got fooled that other time."

Second, 60 days is absolutely life altering for all the reasons Paul Baumer said. Good luck picking back up with your career, bills, etc. Federal convictions pop up on background checks.

Third, attempting to overthrow the government should absolutely come with a harsher penalty. That doesn't mean 60 days is nothing.
 
2022-05-25 10:41:05 AM  
"one misdemeanor count of parading, demonstrating or picketing in the Capitol Building"

Please stop lying and making things up. There was no insurrection. Trespassing and vandalism. That is ALL.
 
2022-05-25 10:42:51 AM  

Intrepid00: johnphantom: Oh and BTW, the judge said he wished he didn't have to give me the minimum mandatory 2 months. I drove drunk the day after my father died. So f*ck you Wilder, go to Hell.

Still making excuses for being a terrible person that day?


You all are asshats.

He served his time and deserves a chance to get better.

Fark off woke haters who can't let the past be the past.
 
2022-05-25 10:44:16 AM  
I wonder how lenient the sentencing would have been if a bunch of Democrats had tried to overthrow the Government as a Republican was being elected President? Do you think those insurrectionists would be getting such short, lenient sentences?
 
2022-05-25 11:11:42 AM  
She's an old white biatch. That's one of those mitigating circumstances that only work in your favor when you're white. The old part is just icing on the cake. Old white women work that quavery, pathetic old person voice and the judge is all, "Aw, man, she looks and sounds just like my gramma. I bet she's a gramma. She probably makes cookies for the neighborhood kids. I just can't bring myself to throw gramma in the clink."
 
2022-05-25 11:47:40 AM  

zgrizz: "one misdemeanor count of parading, demonstrating or picketing in the Capitol Building"

Please stop lying and making things up. There was no insurrection. Trespassing and vandalism. That is ALL.


Fine attempt at gaslighting there. It was an insurrection, they went in there in an attempt to stop Congress from counting votes. They violently attacked Capitol police. Asshat.
 
2022-05-25 11:51:01 AM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: She's an old white biatch. That's one of those mitigating circumstances that only work in your favor when you're white. The old part is just icing on the cake. Old white women work that quavery, pathetic old person voice and the judge is all, "Aw, man, she looks and sounds just like my gramma. I bet she's a gramma. She probably makes cookies for the neighborhood kids. I just can't bring myself to throw gramma in the clink."


Hadassah grandmas.
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Keep that finger and the trigger dawg
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She will fark you up.
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She did her time, and now you'll do yours... in her kitchen scrubbing those pots and cleaning that floor  yo.
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2022-05-25 12:18:58 PM  

Dafatone: Paul Baumer: Tyrone Slothrop: I'm sure that slap on the wrist for trying to overthrow the government will really teach them, and they'll never do it again.

Ever done 60 days, bud? Do you think you still have a job afterwards? Do you have a couple mortgage payments, utility bills and credit card patments in your savings?

Right? Like, attempting to overthrow the government deserves a harsher sentence, but a couple months in prison is still absolutely life-altering for everyone who isn't in the sort of celebrity/athlete/super-rich class where nothing really matters.


You don't go to 'prison' for a 60-day sentence. She'll do it at the county jail and, assuming she does have a job, will likely do it on 30 weekends.
 
2022-05-25 12:24:21 PM  

zgrizz: There was no insurrection.


in·sur·rec·tion
/ˌinsəˈrekSH(ə)n/
Learn to pronounce
noun
a violent uprising against an authority or government.

It was an insurrection, by definition.  A pathetic, misguided, unsuccessful one, but an insurrection nonetheless.
 
2022-05-25 12:24:58 PM  

theknuckler_33: Dafatone: Paul Baumer: Tyrone Slothrop: I'm sure that slap on the wrist for trying to overthrow the government will really teach them, and they'll never do it again.

Ever done 60 days, bud? Do you think you still have a job afterwards? Do you have a couple mortgage payments, utility bills and credit card patments in your savings?

Right? Like, attempting to overthrow the government deserves a harsher sentence, but a couple months in prison is still absolutely life-altering for everyone who isn't in the sort of celebrity/athlete/super-rich class where nothing really matters.

You don't go to 'prison' for a 60-day sentence. She'll do it at the county jail and, assuming she does have a job, will likely do it on 30 weekends.


Is that the case for federal inmates, or only state? I know federal pretrial detainees are sometimes held at county jails, but I haven't heard of federal inmates doing so.
 
2022-05-25 12:34:20 PM  

Dafatone: theknuckler_33: Dafatone: Paul Baumer: Tyrone Slothrop: I'm sure that slap on the wrist for trying to overthrow the government will really teach them, and they'll never do it again.

Ever done 60 days, bud? Do you think you still have a job afterwards? Do you have a couple mortgage payments, utility bills and credit card patments in your savings?

Right? Like, attempting to overthrow the government deserves a harsher sentence, but a couple months in prison is still absolutely life-altering for everyone who isn't in the sort of celebrity/athlete/super-rich class where nothing really matters.

You don't go to 'prison' for a 60-day sentence. She'll do it at the county jail and, assuming she does have a job, will likely do it on 30 weekends.

Is that the case for federal inmates, or only state? I know federal pretrial detainees are sometimes held at county jails, but I haven't heard of federal inmates doing so.


That's a good point. I forgot this was federal. The answer is I don't know. In fact, just pretend I wasn't here.

*backs out of thread slowly*
 
2022-05-25 12:39:50 PM  

The Pope of Manwich Village: Call the Guy: So this dumb hillbilly from Idaho was just being herself in the trial and the judge was thinking she's clearly mentally disabled and shouldn't be in jail

Idaho here probably worships Ingraham and thinks the 60 days is worth meeting Mrs. Trumpenfuhrer

Does Idaho have Hillbillies or Jack Pine Savages or some other regional troglodyte variant?

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we call them sov-cit hicks
 
2022-05-25 12:49:41 PM  

Paul Baumer: Tyrone Slothrop: I'm sure that slap on the wrist for trying to overthrow the government will really teach them, and they'll never do it again.

Ever done 60 days, bud? Do you think you still have a job afterwards? Do you have a couple mortgage payments, utility bills and credit card patments in your savings?


She f*cked around and found out.
Too bad.
So sad.
 
2022-05-25 12:54:30 PM  

Netrngr: Wynn Duffy's Eyebrows: Ragin' Asian: This is the facial expression of a baby with their binky.

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It's funny cause that's a Nerf gun painted black

I was wondering WTF kind of rifle is that. Looked more like a grenade launcher.


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2022-05-25 1:31:26 PM  

zgrizz: Please stop lying and making things up. There was no insurrection. Trespassing and vandalism. That is ALL.


They tried to stop the lawful transfer of power. They beat cops. That's an insurrection.
 
2022-05-25 1:33:57 PM  

johnphantom: Intrepid00: johnphantom: Oh and BTW, the judge said he wished he didn't have to give me the minimum mandatory 2 months. I drove drunk the day after my father died. So f*ck you Wilder, go to Hell.

Still making excuses for being a terrible person that day?

See above.


Christ.  The Boobies, sans context, did sound a little unrepentant.  But why are we dogpiling on somebody who's apparently had their shiat together for years now?  Doesn't sound like it'll happen again.
 
2022-05-25 1:39:27 PM  

orneryredguy: johnphantom: Intrepid00: johnphantom: Oh and BTW, the judge said he wished he didn't have to give me the minimum mandatory 2 months. I drove drunk the day after my father died. So f*ck you Wilder, go to Hell.

Still making excuses for being a terrible person that day?

See above.

Christ.  The Boobies, sans context, did sound a little unrepentant.  But why are we dogpiling on somebody who's apparently had their shiat together for years now?  Doesn't sound like it'll happen again.


Anything that will help people avoid talking about the insurrectionist who is the subject of this thread, it seems.
 
2022-05-25 1:46:08 PM  
They use to hang people for treason. Maybe we need to bring that back.
 
2022-05-25 1:51:21 PM  

Bondith: Original: Original Tweet:

ryanjreilly: Judge Royce C. Lamberth noted once again that he got rolled when he sentenced Anna Morgan Lloyd to probation, and then she went on Laura Ingraham and downplayed her actions. "It turned out I have a hard time discerning sincerity," Lamberth says.

That would seem like it would be an important skill for a farking judge.



Conservatives pretend to be dumb to obfuscate their evil.
 
2022-05-25 1:54:43 PM  

vudukungfu: Lock them all up.
Until they are sentenced


You just summed up the actual problem with the US justice system. You aren't guilty of a crime until you are either found guilty or plead that way. As a result, you are only supposed to be in jail before conviction in the most egregious cases. Bail is one of the most abused legal policies in the country.
 
2022-05-25 1:57:13 PM  

zgrizz: "one misdemeanor count of parading, demonstrating or picketing in the Capitol Building"

Please stop lying and making things up. There was no insurrection. Trespassing and vandalism. That is ALL.


in·sur·rec·tion
/ˌinsəˈrekSH(ə)n/


noun
a violent uprising against an authority or government.
"the insurrection was savagely put down"

A: Was there violence? Yes, there was.
B: Was there an uprising? Yes, there was.
C: Was it carried out against an authority or the government? Yes, it was.

Care to rebut?
 
2022-05-25 2:16:01 PM  

Kuta: Intrepid00: johnphantom: Oh and BTW, the judge said he wished he didn't have to give me the minimum mandatory 2 months. I drove drunk the day after my father died. So f*ck you Wilder, go to Hell.

Still making excuses for being a terrible person that day?

You all are asshats.

He served his time and deserves a chance to get better.

Fark off woke haters who can't let the past be the past.


I like to just be straight with people and not swerve all over the lanes.
 
2022-05-25 2:40:13 PM  
Narrator : And in the end, it turned out none of them were sincere
 
2022-05-25 2:43:49 PM  
600 days is not enough.  Judge should serve too if he thinks that's justice for a hostile insurrection.
 
2022-05-25 2:48:46 PM  

tokinGLX: Netrngr: Wynn Duffy's Eyebrows: Ragin' Asian: This is the facial expression of a baby with their binky.

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It's funny cause that's a Nerf gun painted black

I was wondering WTF kind of rifle is that. Looked more like a grenade launcher.

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I think this one looks nicer:

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2022-05-25 3:10:35 PM  

Ragin' Asian: This is the facial expression of a baby with their binky.

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i mean what an absolute farking moron
 
2022-05-25 3:11:05 PM  
Is this a repeat? I swear someone else did the exact same thing.

I gotta feel for some of these people. They are absolutely farking smooth-brained.
 
2022-05-25 4:00:01 PM  
Just add no going on TV or radio or podcast to discuss anything related to the case or the insurrection as part of the probation agreement.   That alone would keep the fools out of the limelight they obviously desire and keep them off Faux news and other right wing nutter media and force then to tone it down at least a bit.
 
2022-05-25 5:19:38 PM  

Ragin' Asian: This is the facial expression of a baby with their binky.

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That's an immature, ignorant waste of carbon who dessperately LIVES for the opportunity to make other people like her.
 
2022-05-25 5:57:32 PM  

chawco: This notion that judges have that they can be objective and truly put their feelings aside, is insane. No human being is truly objective, we all want to believe we are but it's a lie we tell ourselves

So I don't think we should teach judges to somehow I understand the sincerity have a person who's been caught and convicted of a crime. I think we should teach them some psychology


So what should the outcome of that teaching be?  If, as you say, there is no way to distinguish a pathological liar from a sincerely-contrite defendant, then there is no possible way to improve on pure objectivity in sentencing.

And also as you point out, it's unrealistic to expect judges to be truly objective.  Sounds like the only fair trial is one in which neither the judge nor the jury ever sees or hears the defendant in person, and obviously that's impractical in many cases.
 
2022-05-25 6:08:15 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: chawco: This notion that judges have that they can be objective and truly put their feelings aside, is insane. No human being is truly objective, we all want to believe we are but it's a lie we tell ourselves

So I don't think we should teach judges to somehow I understand the sincerity have a person who's been caught and convicted of a crime. I think we should teach them some psychology

So what should the outcome of that teaching be?  If, as you say, there is no way to distinguish a pathological liar from a sincerely-contrite defendant, then there is no possible way to improve on pure objectivity in sentencing.

And also as you point out, it's unrealistic to expect judges to be truly objective.  Sounds like the only fair trial is one in which neither the judge nor the jury ever sees or hears the defendant in person, and obviously that's impractical in many cases.


I would argue that crocodile tears should not have much sway in sentencing.
 
2022-05-25 9:54:32 PM  

Raoul Eaton: Bondith: Original: Original Tweet:

ryanjreilly: Judge Royce C. Lamberth noted once again that he got rolled when he sentenced Anna Morgan Lloyd to probation, and then she went on Laura Ingraham and downplayed her actions. "It turned out I have a hard time discerning sincerity," Lamberth says.

That would seem like it would be an important skill for a farking judge.

It turns out that humans really suck at detecting lies.  It's not a skill you can develop, either, aside from the most basic ability to identify inconsistent statements and obvious untruths.  People who claim a special ability to detect lies really have just developed an ability to fool themselves.  This includes police, lawyers, and judges.



In the case of conservative politicians it's really easy: if their lips are moving, there is a 99% probability that they are lying.
 
2022-05-26 6:41:59 AM  

Raoul Eaton: Bondith: Original: Original Tweet:

ryanjreilly: Judge Royce C. Lamberth noted once again that he got rolled when he sentenced Anna Morgan Lloyd to probation, and then she went on Laura Ingraham and downplayed her actions. "It turned out I have a hard time discerning sincerity," Lamberth says.

That would seem like it would be an important skill for a farking judge.

It turns out that humans really suck at detecting lies.  It's not a skill you can develop, either, aside from the most basic ability to identify inconsistent statements and obvious untruths.  People who claim a special ability to detect lies really have just developed an ability to fool themselves.  This includes police, lawyers, and judges.


Conversely, psychopaths genuinely develop the ability to lie convincingly.

I've been thinking about this sort of stuff recently, and I realized that actors and politicians are essentially in the same job. They have to present themselves to a wide audience as a particular character with particular values and beliefs, and get that audience to believe that the things they say are genuine and sincere, even if they themselves do not believe so. Politicians then have to get the audience to accept their arguments, and by implication adopt those values and beliefs.

In combination with the first fact I wrote above, both occupations are conducive to people with psychopathic traits being those who are most successful at doing the job.
 
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