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2004-11-28 10:38:39 PM  
i'm not sure it's a news flash since she walked last week, but hey...

don't you people know stemcell research is evil? the bible tells us so. science is the devil!
2004-11-28 10:42:08 PM  
She's a witch! Burn her!
2004-11-28 10:44:38 PM  
No! It's false hope! Stop giving people false hope! Stem cell research is unproven and it probably won't work. Get your real hope from evangelists who heal people on stage, right in front of everyone, not in some shady and likely smut-laden laboratory.

2004-11-28 10:45:54 PM  
It's almost comical watching the United States destroy itself from the inside in the name of "morality."
2004-11-28 10:48:32 PM  
It's almost comical watching the United States destroy itself from the inside in the name of "morality."

Meaning that our greatest advantage has always been our technological superiority over our enemies. Pretty soon we're going to lose that because we are beginning to replace science with morality.

It's also funny that next-generation nuclear weapons are "moral", but stem cell research isn't.
2004-11-28 10:49:31 PM  
Doesnt matter if America supports stem cell research or not. There are always other countries in the world that will.

You can buy the technology from them later.
2004-11-28 10:50:55 PM  
Doesn't Bush's policy support umbilical cord stem cell research?
2004-11-28 10:54:54 PM  
There are always other countries in the world that will.

True. I suppose there's something to be said for letting someone else make all the mistakes first.

this stuff makes my skin crawl tho.
2004-11-28 10:57:28 PM  
TheMonz is right-on. The administration supports the stem-cells used in the article.

So all of you "told ya so-ers" can STFU.
2004-11-28 11:07:23 PM  
I'm VERY skeptical about this. I don't capitalize words very often.
2004-11-28 11:12:29 PM  
meade2001: So all of you "told ya so-ers" can STFU.

The only people who brought up the Bush administration are those who felt a need to defend it. I taking a jab at those who like to think they know more about this field than the scientists who've spent years working in it.

Funsucker, You should be. I am too, but I'm also hopeful.
2004-11-28 11:16:22 PM  
A couple of observations:

1) It is exceedingly unlikely the claims made in this article are true
2) It's true that there is no ban on funding umbilical stem-cell research
3) Restrictions on funding embryonic stem-cell research should be lifted. If they are not lifted, the logical and morally consistent course of action would be to ban fertility clinics. If your premise is that using embryos for research is unethical, creating and then destroying these embryos should be unethical as well.
2004-11-28 11:45:01 PM  

If they are not lifted, the logical and morally consistent course of action would be to ban fertility clinics.

To follow that logic, one would be left with the impression that embryonic stem-cell research is illegal. It's not. The government doesn't provide federal funds for the research going into the Xbox 2 either. That doesn't mean that Bill Gates is a criminal, it just means the reasearch isn't being paid for by ol' uncle Sam.

/umm, about that Bill Gates thing, nm
2004-11-28 11:55:24 PM  
this type of research is illegal. wont somebody stop them? Think of the countless lives created in jars that never form enough to realize that they are countless lives created in jars!

A woman who realize she's farking miserable doesnt deserve the happiness those countless lives in jars that would otherwise never be created (or otherwise destroyed as trash) never got to experience!

christ i'm confused.

but anyways yeah its illegal. Knock off all that walking, biatch.
2004-11-29 12:06:25 AM  
GWB doesn't approve of this "walking" after paralysis thing we speak of. His scientific mind should be trusted without doubt. Stem cells are the work of the devil!!

Stem cell therapies need to be fully explored as treatments for various diseases. Healthcare issues should not be legislated.
2004-11-29 12:18:19 AM  
Stem cell therapies need to be fully explored as treatments for various diseases. Healthcare issues should not be legislated.

Hear, hear!
2004-11-29 12:20:34 AM  
...say they repaired her damaged spine using stem cells derived from umbilical cord blood.

This has absolutely nothing to do with EMBRYONIC stem cell research which is the controvercial issue. NOBODY has a problem with the kind of research mentioned in the article. Maybe a handful of those people in those weird religions that believe in no medical practices.
2004-11-29 12:24:47 AM  
Yeah, while I think stem cells could get us closer to these things, i just don't think so yet.

I hope so, but i'd like some more doctors to go take a look.

you should have read the comments before you posted, the President has not objections to stem cells being harvested in this way. He said so in the Presidential debates.

Also, healthcare issues should be legislated, it is very important that the science we put our faith in is legitmate science. Passing off a pill as medicine only to find out later that 75% of those who take it die withing 6 months probabbly isn't a good idea.

2004-11-29 12:26:36 AM  
However, these stem cells isolated from umbilical cord blood have emerged as an ethical and safe alternative to embryonic stem cells.

If anything, this article points out that embryonic stem cell research isn't as necessary. People are completely missunderstanding the article and the issue.

Do some reading people. Learn the difference between embryonic stem cell, adult stem cells, and which some people have a problem with.
2004-11-29 12:27:27 AM  
Jesus made the lame walk and didn't need stem cells to do it.

2004-11-29 12:28:34 AM  
oh, so stem cells work? why dont we quit half-assing it then and go after the embryonic stem cells now? or would the so-called moral majority prefer instead to bomb more countries?
2004-11-29 12:29:28 AM  
Bombing countries is pretty fun!
2004-11-29 12:31:19 AM  
better yet, since we dont care about the welfare of other countries we're bombing, why dont we harvest THEIR stem cells? it's not immoral if it's someone else, right? right?
2004-11-29 12:38:00 AM  
I wish you would all chill. There is a perfectly reasonable way to settle any problems with any faith in regards to stem-cell research.

/clears throat...

Dear invisible man in the sky,

If you don't want us to use stem-cells to cure sick people, please reply to this thread.


PS: Thanks for, well, you know.
PPS: No messengers/representatives/vessels/etc. You must do it yourself.

/that should do it.
2004-11-29 12:40:02 AM  
Embryonic stem cells: completely undifferentiated, but there can be compatibility problems

Adult stem cells: no compatibility problems (they're your cells), but there is some differentiation (limiting the uses for a given stem cell

Personally, I think the best course of action is to explore both avenues (embryonic and adult) and determine which one is better suited for healthcare (if one is, indeed, better than the other).
2004-11-29 12:54:53 AM  
Adult stem cell research is done all of the time because it's just like giving blood and there's no ethical problem with it. That's the kind this article is talking about. Nobody could argue that an individual life is being killed and nobody has a problem with it. But there's only so much you can do with an adult stem cells.

But if you make an embryo, it's a "human" at the very beginning of developement and you can manipulate it and do better research with it. Embryonic stem cell research is supposed to be more effective but people are questioning the ethics of it.
2004-11-29 12:59:30 AM  
It's been well-documented that adult stem-cells and umbilical stem-cells can help with therapy. But embryonic stem-cells have only produced mutations, tumours, and cancer.

Which is why Prop 71 in California was such a dumb farkin' thing to pass. Basically just allows Bio-tech corporations to clone embryos for experiments that will be used for their own profit, instead of expanding funds for existing stem-cell research that works.

And all it took was a bunch of dumbass California voters saying, "We ain't gonna side with them eeevil Christians, so we'd better support Prop 71!"

Knee-jerk voters on both sides suck.
2004-11-29 01:47:52 AM  
People, before you add a comment, please read the article. The stem cells referred are said to be umbilical cord stem cells. Last time I checked, the umbilical cord came once a baby is born. Moral debate is moot.
2004-11-29 02:02:45 AM  
I'm sure a few more asshats, like shown above, will try to fling this discussion into a political diatribe (when in fact there are no ethical dilemmas with the research of umbilical cord blood stem cells-- only the increasing hope that it is starting to provide).

So before you go spouting off about whatever, please RTFA. This is good news for all.
2004-11-29 04:24:53 AM  
I'll get you next time Hackman, next time!

2004-11-29 04:26:03 AM  
Well, I for one am drunk.. so:

2004-11-29 04:27:24 AM  
The fact of the matter remains, umbilical stem cells just aren't enough, because they lack the great taste and low fat of those wonderfully delectible embryonic stem cells.

Wait, you mean all the other researchers were TESTING the embryonic stem cells? Dammit, there goes my free lunch...

/not a researcher
2004-11-29 04:28:09 AM  
take that republican scum!!

/flame on

//going to bed...
2004-11-29 04:28:33 AM  
This is a disgrace, they had to abort a million babies just to make that woman walk again. Damn you new biotechnoloy, damn you to hell!!!
2004-11-29 04:28:39 AM  
"...healthcare issues should not be legislated..."

Umm. Im sure all the mothers that were denied access to that morning sickness pill by the FDA (as opposed to those who used the allegedly "safe" drug) were very happy that at least some healthcare issues are legislated. I think it was Thalidimyde (probably horribly misspelled). Now people were screaming in the US about how we should have it and how it was safe etc... The FDA said no, we need more info. Low and behold the more info is it causes some pretty serious freaking birth defects.

/just sayin that not all healthcare legislation is bad
2004-11-29 04:29:05 AM  
OK, stanyanstreet, why do embryonic stem cells only produce negative results when used in therapy? Do you know? Can you give me concrete proof?
2004-11-29 04:30:04 AM  
Christopher Reeve (sic?) would have been able to verify/debunk this one had he not died.

/nice guy
2004-11-29 04:30:36 AM  

WTF are you talking about?

This research was done in Korea according to the article. Stop taking credit for everything good in the world.

/USA Bashing
2004-11-29 04:30:40 AM  
WTF is science?!11?

Jesus will make me walk again. If not physically, then spiritualy, right? Right?
2004-11-29 04:31:28 AM  
I dont believe anything in that article.

George Bush's scienticians told me this was unpossible.
2004-11-29 04:32:21 AM  
Why are we bashing the christians? What does this have to do with their disagreement with EMBRYONIC stem cell research? Nothing. The anti-religious clowns here have no logic for their ramblings. I think it's great that this woman was able to walk again. It's too bad the anti-religious use this article as a support for thier position, when the reality is quite the opposite.
2004-11-29 04:33:29 AM  
Yeah, this seems drasticly tragic, considering how recently Christopher Reeve died. But it's still good news.

I'm wondering exactly how the fundie neocons are going to spin this one. 'cause you know it's coming. Somehow it's evil.
2004-11-29 04:35:50 AM  
The "neo-cons" will simply point out that tjhis treatment was the result of umbilical stem-cells, not embryonic s.c. My question is how the left is going to bash the religious with a story that supports there position.
2004-11-29 04:37:38 AM  
That's amazing. This is why science is so spiffy. It can help people walk again and maybe see or hear again. That's awesome.
2004-11-29 04:38:24 AM  
Praise the lord, hallelujah!!1
oh, wait...
Damn them!! Murderers!!!
2004-11-29 04:38:29 AM  
bersl2: I don't have a lab at home, but here's some info here and here and here.
2004-11-29 04:38:38 AM  

OK, stanyanstreet, why do embryonic stem cells only produce negative results when used in therapy? Do you know? Can you give me concrete proof?

You do realize of course, that since our government doesn't approve, you're not going to hear anything good from them? And not only that, but again, because they do not approve of it, we are not privvy to every experiment conducted in the private sector?

Are you doubting the fact that they have the potential to be helpful? I, personally, no have not done any experiments. However, deal with genetics for a while, and you'll learn why they have *potential*.

It's also a silly arguement. You do realize that most cures/experiements/etc have adverse/negative/anything-but-positive results before they figure it out?

We know it has the potential to help. Saying 'because you can't show us that it works now, it's clearly a useless avenue to pursue' is flat out silly.
2004-11-29 04:41:00 AM  
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2004-11-29 04:42:43 AM  
StretchCannon wins.
2004-11-29 04:42:53 AM  
Man, if this had come in at 1pm EST, flamewar would be a complete understatement.

Until then, it's more like a bunch of jr highers playing with matches and playboys.

/flame on
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