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2022-05-24 4:22:56 AM  
eh I think moon knight suffered due to it's only being 6 episodes, And I don't know how much of a genius Feige was in letting Raimi direct MoM without having seen  all of Wandavision.
 
2022-05-24 4:42:02 AM  
IIRC he was a large part of the botched Ghostbusters reboot in 2016, so no, he is no genius.
 
2022-05-24 4:43:31 AM  

germ78: IIRC he was a large part of the botched Ghostbusters reboot in 2016, so no, he is no genius.


You may be thinking of Paul Feig.
 
2022-05-24 4:45:09 AM  
Get a really good cast, great effects and creative people, and decent writers in the room, and then leave them the fark alone?

Genius!

Moon Knight, like a whole lot of other MCU stuff, was another one that I'd never heard of before.  But I like Oscar Isaac a lot, and that big bird skeleton thing was cool the whole way through, particularly when it was fighting that big alligator thing.

So I liked it.
 
2022-05-24 5:32:04 AM  
Is Moon Knight a "winning venture"? I thought it was a bit of a mess. Not the worst of the recent Marvel streaming shows, but below average.
 
2022-05-24 5:40:22 AM  

Alphax: germ78: IIRC he was a large part of the botched Ghostbusters reboot in 2016, so no, he is no genius.

You may be thinking of Paul Feig.


He's Ant Man and a producer? Amazing
 
2022-05-24 5:42:21 AM  
I freaking loved Moon Knight.. The amount of detail was just admirable and Oscar and Ethan did an amazing job acting the gills out of it.
I think it would have been helped with another episode but these short run series are what they are. I certainly wouldn't complain if we get a season 2 and he'd be an amazing tie in for Black Panther 2.
 
2022-05-24 6:22:26 AM  

mcmnky: Is Moon Knight a "winning venture"? I thought it was a bit of a mess. Not the worst of the recent Marvel streaming shows, but below average.


I enjoyed it more than Loki.
 
2022-05-24 6:35:23 AM  
Moon Knight is a bit of a mess of a story and tough to get into because there's a fair deal of exposition (especially if you're not familiar with the comics), but Oscar Isaac is fantastic in all three of his roles in it.

Watch it if you like to watch Oscar Isaac ham it up in multiple personalities.
 
2022-05-24 6:54:38 AM  

Alphax: germ78: IIRC he was a large part of the botched Ghostbusters reboot in 2016, so no, he is no genius.

You may be thinking of Paul Feig.


Good catch. It was the middle of the night, I'm on a train and couldn't sleep. My powers of recall were greatly diminished.
 
2022-05-24 7:18:37 AM  

Alphax: germ78: IIRC he was a large part of the botched Ghostbusters reboot in 2016, so no, he is no genius.

You may be thinking of Paul Feig.


You might be getting him confused with a Fig Newton.
 
2022-05-24 7:36:20 AM  

Great_Milenko: mcmnky: Is Moon Knight a "winning venture"? I thought it was a bit of a mess. Not the worst of the recent Marvel streaming shows, but below average.

I enjoyed it more than Loki.


Loki ended and I'm "that's it"?  And not  "that's it I want more" but "that's it, I wasted how much time on this "?
 
2022-05-24 8:00:50 AM  
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2022-05-24 8:02:09 AM  
I believe everyone contracted with Marvel is required to say that during an interview at least 4 times a year.
 
2022-05-24 8:48:34 AM  
MK easily had the best set and costume design of all the Disney shows. It's not even close. Personally I thought it had the best acting as well, from basically everyone.

Having say that, I enjoyed Hawkeye more. Maybe a low stakes romp is what I'm looking for.
 
2022-05-24 9:00:26 AM  
Is he a genius like Da Vinci was a genius, or a "genius" like Brian Wilson was a "genius" ?
 
2022-05-24 9:09:47 AM  

germ78: Alphax: germ78: IIRC he was a large part of the botched Ghostbusters reboot in 2016, so no, he is no genius.

You may be thinking of Paul Feig.

Good catch. It was the middle of the night, I'm on a train and couldn't sleep. My powers of recall were greatly diminished.


Meh, I was thinking the same thing.
 
2022-05-24 9:17:45 AM  

mcmnky: Is Moon Knight a "winning venture"? I thought it was a bit of a mess. Not the worst of the recent Marvel streaming shows, but below average.


It reviewed well with critics and audience, viewership and demand were ahead of any other MCU show other than Loki per Parrot Analytics, and it cause a renewed interest in the comic so that it now sits as one of the more popular series on Marvel Unlimited.

Pretty sure no matter how you slice it that's winning.
 
2022-05-24 9:35:51 AM  

Great_Milenko: mcmnky: Is Moon Knight a "winning venture"? I thought it was a bit of a mess. Not the worst of the recent Marvel streaming shows, but below average.

I enjoyed it more than Loki.


Same here. Loki broke the "show me don't tell me" rule far too many times.

The cast did absolutely everything they could to salvage it, but the scripts just weren't polished enough for the series to work.
 
2022-05-24 9:38:14 AM  

padraig: Is he a genius like Da Vinci was a genius, or a "genius" like Brian Wilson was a "genius" ?


Wellll, Brian Wilson was a genius, if only for a brief window. Same thing with Mozart, I guess.

But Feige isn't a genius. He's a coordinator, trying to turn the best parts of 60 year-old stories into a range of televisual products that might endure the next season.

The script for Multiverse of Madness should have been discreetly taken to its Yorkshire manor house, handed a service revolver and a bottle of port, and to have been told -- very sorrowfully, very sadly, but very, very firmly -- to do the right thing.
 
2022-05-24 9:42:11 AM  
wow i would not admit to being the editor for Moon Knight
the pacing is so terrible i couldn't get past two episodes
 
2022-05-24 10:16:16 AM  
Moon Knight was crap.

The people who loved it are the same people who think Baron Zemo dancing, Alligator Loki, and the "Mr. Moon" suit are the height of creativity and good writing.

You know, morons.
 
2022-05-24 10:27:14 AM  

WhippingBoi: Moon Knight was crap.

The people who loved it are the same people who think Baron Zemo dancing, Alligator Loki, and the "Mr. Moon" suit are the height of creativity and good writing.

You know, morons.


Always criticize the shows, not those who enjoy it and their reasons to enjoy it. That's what assholes do.
 
2022-05-24 10:31:31 AM  
Well he wouldn't have called Feige an idiot if he wanted to keep his job.
 
2022-05-24 10:44:02 AM  

padraig: WhippingBoi: Moon Knight was crap.

The people who loved it are the same people who think Baron Zemo dancing, Alligator Loki, and the "Mr. Moon" suit are the height of creativity and good writing.

You know, morons.

Always criticize the shows, not those who enjoy it and their reasons to enjoy it. That's what assholes do.


Does this work both ways? For example, if I express dislike for "The Last Jedi" or "Doctor Who", are people also assholes for attacking me personally? Or is that somehow "different"?
 
2022-05-24 10:54:10 AM  

WhippingBoi: padraig: WhippingBoi: Moon Knight was crap.

The people who loved it are the same people who think Baron Zemo dancing, Alligator Loki, and the "Mr. Moon" suit are the height of creativity and good writing.

You know, morons.

Always criticize the shows, not those who enjoy it and their reasons to enjoy it. That's what assholes do.

Does this work both ways? For example, if I express dislike for "The Last Jedi" or "Doctor Who", are people also assholes for attacking me personally? Or is that somehow "different"?


eyeroll, its the same goddamn thing and you know it.
 
2022-05-24 11:25:46 AM  
I liked the first episode but then lost interest around ep 3.

I think a movie would have been far better format / introduction. Some things work for TV, Wanda, Loki's sidestory thing. But new characters... deserve a film?
 
2022-05-24 12:05:35 PM  

MurphyMurphy: I liked the first episode but then lost interest around ep 3.


This is exactly my complaint too.

The first two episodes (in London) are interesting and worth watching. As soon as they go to Egypt (ep 3), the story gets lost up its own butthole in the typically obnoxious "4000 years ago blah blah blah" exposition plot stopper.

My eyes completely glaze over when that happens. The Eternals suffers from the same problem: Big-ass expo dump in the middle. Maybe that's how it is in the comics, but I find it just about the most obnoxious story telling device now.

If you must expo dump the plot or backstory, never do it at the beginning or middle. Always do it at the end, perhaps as an epilogue, and do it in dialogue form, so it's people having a conversation about it. Never one person droning uninterrupted for several minutes. A good example of how it's done is Psycho. A bad example is every intro to every RPG.
 
2022-05-24 12:56:01 PM  

MurphyMurphy: I liked the first episode but then lost interest around ep 3.


That was me, but the second half was great.
 
2022-05-24 1:14:41 PM  

pehvbot: MK easily had the best set and costume design of all the Disney shows. It's not even close. Personally I thought it had the best acting as well, from basically everyone.

Having say that, I enjoyed Hawkeye more. Maybe a low stakes romp is what I'm looking for.


I'm going to politely disagree. WandaVision was by far superior in my opinion. 

I agree that Hawkeye was more enjoyable, but for me, with Moon Knight, that was an extremely low bar to clear. 

I didn't care for the show, nor did the wife. That it didn't really tie into the MCU in any meaningful or observable way aside from being part of Phase 4 doesn't help things. Not to say I hated everything, I did enjoy episode 4 and most of 5, but it was mostly painful and never truly got better. 

I feel like it had potential but was poorly executed and entirely too predictable.
 
2022-05-24 1:22:20 PM  
Not sure if I'd call him a genius, but he seems capable of making sensible decisions.  You would think that having a clear roadmap and keeping your creatives on a loose-but-short leash would be the obvious way to run a mega-franchise, but then you see what happened with SW 7-9 and the DCEU.  So yeah I guess comparatively he's a "genius", but really only in the way like Moe is the "smart" Stooge.
 
2022-05-24 1:46:04 PM  

Rent Party: that big bird skeleton thing was cool


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2022-05-24 2:53:53 PM  

Ishkur: Moon Knight is a bit of a mess of a story and tough to get into because there's a fair deal of exposition (especially if you're not familiar with the comics), but Oscar Isaac is fantastic in all three of his roles in it.

Watch it if you like to watch Oscar Isaac ham it up in multiple personalities.


That's really the big problem: it wasn't really approachable for those who don't already know the character.  My wife enjoyed the show overall, but she was always having to ask me why various things were important, or why a character was a certain way.

The performances were fantastic though, and the attempt to keep the audience guessing whether any of it was real or in Marc's head was almost pulled off.  They went too hard for a conclusion, and kinda tipped over the tin.  Tried to cram too much into too small a space, and broke a bit of the mystery to the character.

Pretty good show.  Could have been better.  Made me drag my old comics out of storage, so I give it points for that as well.
 
2022-05-24 3:07:27 PM  

Kuroshin: Ishkur: Moon Knight is a bit of a mess of a story and tough to get into because there's a fair deal of exposition (especially if you're not familiar with the comics), but Oscar Isaac is fantastic in all three of his roles in it.

Watch it if you like to watch Oscar Isaac ham it up in multiple personalities.

That's really the big problem: it wasn't really approachable for those who don't already know the character.  My wife enjoyed the show overall, but she was always having to ask me why various things were important, or why a character was a certain way.

The performances were fantastic though, and the attempt to keep the audience guessing whether any of it was real or in Marc's head was almost pulled off.  They went too hard for a conclusion, and kinda tipped over the tin.  Tried to cram too much into too small a space, and broke a bit of the mystery to the character.

Pretty good show.  Could have been better.  Made me drag my old comics out of storage, so I give it points for that as well.


I feel like it was perfectly approachable, I really enjoyed it, and:
I had never heard of moon knight before
I had no real issues following any of it, or what was important or not
I never doubted if it was real vs in his mind, this was prob. teasing that maybe it wasn't was perhaps worst part, tied with the exterior scenes on the sand boat

For me, this ranks in the top-middle of the Marvel mini-shows:
Loki -> Just enjoyable throughout
MoonKnight -> No idea who he was, enjoyed using a 'new' pantheon for me in Marvel
GreenArrow -> first 2 or so were rough, but actually made me care about green arrow as a character
big drop to:
Falcon -> parts were great, other parts were really bad
big drop to:
Wandavision -> I get the homage to decades of classic TV, but they weren't good episodes.  And, it had massive internal consistence issues by the end.
 
2022-05-24 4:00:10 PM  

WhippingBoi: Moon Knight was crap.

The people who loved it are the same people who think Baron Zemo dancing, Alligator Loki, and the "Mr. Moon" suit are the height of creativity and good writing.

You know, morons.


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2022-05-24 4:01:26 PM  

squegeebooo: For me, this ranks in the top-middle of the Marvel mini-shows:
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GreenArrow -> first 2 or so were rough, but actually made me care about green arrow as a character
big drop to:


Why I oughta

For me, generally, Loki and Hawkeye are a fun rewatch. I doubt I'll rewatch Moon Knight or FATWAS. Wandavision is more complex and I'd have to be in the right mood. When I am in the right mood, it's the best of anything Disney+ has produced.

I don't know how far I got in watching MOM. I remember Wong waking up on a cliff ledge and thinking, "I'm sitting here, but I'd rather be sitting any place other than here." So I left the cinema and spent the next hour or so appeciating the summer sun. I was deeply, deeply bored by the movie. Compared to Wandavision, the whole experience was slapdash.

This is all in my opinion, obviously. A lot of people like MOM, and I'm sorry I can't count myself among their number. For me, it's not that is poses as many questions as it answers: it's more it starts off with ploblems that it is determined not to solve.

I have a few months of patience/tolerance left with Disney+. I loved Shang Chi and was delighted by The Eternals. I'll watch the next offerring on the understanding that if it doesn't live up to my expectations, I'm out without remorse.
 
2022-05-24 5:01:00 PM  

PartTimeBuddha: squegeebooo: For me, this ranks in the top-middle of the Marvel mini-shows:
... 
GreenArrow -> first 2 or so were rough, but actually made me care about green arrow as a character
big drop to:

Why I oughta

For me, generally, Loki and Hawkeye are a fun rewatch. I doubt I'll rewatch Moon Knight or FATWAS. Wandavision is more complex and I'd have to be in the right mood. When I am in the right mood, it's the best of anything Disney+ has produced.

I don't know how far I got in watching MOM. I remember Wong waking up on a cliff ledge and thinking, "I'm sitting here, but I'd rather be sitting any place other than here." So I left the cinema and spent the next hour or so appeciating the summer sun. I was deeply, deeply bored by the movie. Compared to Wandavision, the whole experience was slapdash.

This is all in my opinion, obviously. A lot of people like MOM, and I'm sorry I can't count myself among their number. For me, it's not that is poses as many questions as it answers: it's more it starts off with ploblems that it is determined not to solve.

I have a few months of patience/tolerance left with Disney+. I loved Shang Chi and was delighted by The Eternals. I'll watch the next offerring on the understanding that if it doesn't live up to my expectations, I'm out without remorse.


I still have to see MOM and Eternals (unsure if I'll ever see Eternals), but I'm in a distinct minority about Shang Chi, found it very meh.  It doesn't help that I can't stand AquaFina's voice.
 
2022-05-24 6:53:23 PM  

PartTimeBuddha: squegeebooo: For me, this ranks in the top-middle of the Marvel mini-shows:
... 
GreenArrow -> first 2 or so were rough, but actually made me care about green arrow as a character
big drop to:

Why I oughta

For me, generally, Loki and Hawkeye are a fun rewatch. I doubt I'll rewatch Moon Knight or FATWAS. Wandavision is more complex and I'd have to be in the right mood. When I am in the right mood, it's the best of anything Disney+ has produced.

I don't know how far I got in watching MOM. I remember Wong waking up on a cliff ledge and thinking, "I'm sitting here, but I'd rather be sitting any place other than here." So I left the cinema and spent the next hour or so appeciating the summer sun. I was deeply, deeply bored by the movie. Compared to Wandavision, the whole experience was slapdash.

This is all in my opinion, obviously. A lot of people like MOM, and I'm sorry I can't count myself among their number. For me, it's not that is poses as many questions as it answers: it's more it starts off with ploblems that it is determined not to solve.

I have a few months of patience/tolerance left with Disney+. I loved Shang Chi and was delighted by The Eternals. I'll watch the next offerring on the understanding that if it doesn't live up to my expectations, I'm out without remorse.


You liked Eternals?  I guess there is one on every crowd.
 
2022-05-24 7:09:47 PM  

BizarreMan: You liked Eternals? I guess there is one on every crowd.


The Eternals had the same problem as Captain Marvel: It's three movies trying to be one.

Both could've been better served as a series, where the characters would have more room for growth, conflict, and arcs.
 
2022-05-24 7:13:20 PM  

clkeagle: Great_Milenko: mcmnky: Is Moon Knight a "winning venture"? I thought it was a bit of a mess. Not the worst of the recent Marvel streaming shows, but below average.

I enjoyed it more than Loki.

Same here. Loki broke the "show me don't tell me" rule far too many times.

The cast did absolutely everything they could to salvage it, but the scripts just weren't polished enough for the series to work.


I thought the chemistry between Loki and Mobius was brilliant.

/Keep that focus!
 
2022-05-24 11:42:09 PM  

replacementcool: eh I think moon knight suffered due to it's only being 6 episodes, And I don't know how much of a genius Feige was in letting Raimi direct MoM without having seen  all of Wandavision.


Raimi pissed off my wife. She liked the Scarlett Witch and wanted a redemption arc.
 
2022-05-25 1:11:50 AM  

paulleah: replacementcool: eh I think moon knight suffered due to it's only being 6 episodes, And I don't know how much of a genius Feige was in letting Raimi direct MoM without having seen  all of Wandavision.

Raimi pissed off my wife. She liked the Scarlett Witch and wanted a redemption arc.


I seriously doubt Wanda is dead. I'm sure her redemption will continue at some point.
 
2022-05-25 10:36:47 AM  

paulleah: replacementcool: eh I think moon knight suffered due to it's only being 6 episodes, And I don't know how much of a genius Feige was in letting Raimi direct MoM without having seen  all of Wandavision.

Raimi pissed off my wife. She liked the Scarlett Witch and wanted a redemption arc.


Wanda stans confuse the hell out of me.

She was always a villain. She has never faced punishment for ANY of her crimes. She has always found a way to dodge being punished or run away from it. She has never once done anything, in any MCU movie or show, that was entirely selfless and heroic.

She volunteered for HYDRA because she hated Stark. Think about that. She joined an international terrorist organization founded by a Nazi (in the movies; We're disregarding AoS lore) that tried to murder millions of people with flying gunships and has murdered countless other people throughout history (including Stark's parents), and whose stated ultimate goal is to conquer the world-- because she hated ONE man. She supported their goals to get what she wanted.

When HYDRA fell, she joined Ultron, an AI whose stated goal was to murder the Avengers. ALL the Avengers. Again, because she hated Stark she was willing to lend her power to a genocidal android that made it very clear it intended to kill Banner, Romanoff, Rogers, Barton, Odinson, et al., and she was FINE with them dying if it meant Stark would die, too.

She used her powers to drive the Hulk into a murderous savage rage, and he destroyed a city because of it. He injured and possibly killed a lot of people because of her mind control. She mentally tortured Nat, Steve, and Stark (by the way-- Why didn't she just kill Stark when she first encountered him alone, out of his armor, from behind in the HYDRA base? She wanted to torture him first.)

She "joined" the Avengers against Ultron when it became clear to her that destroying Sokovia (and everyone else) was Ultron's plan. Again, she was fine helping him when it was going to be a whole bunch of other people killed, but when it hit close to home she switched sides. She only destroyed Ultron's main body as revenge for Ultron killing Pietro.

She never faced ANY punishment for ANY of her crimes while with HYDRA or Ultron. Not the deaths/destruction caused by her head-fark to the Hulk, not the deaths caused when Sokovia fell, not even the deaths and destruction from BEFORE she found out about Ultron's plan (the entire lab full of people, for starters.)

Instead, she "joined" the Avengers. And mourned Pietro in the equivalent of a five-star hotel (Avengers Compound) while Vision comforted her. Oh, yes, it sucks that her parents died and it sucks that Pietro died, but as Rocket once said "You think you're the only one who lost people?" (He lost Quill, Groot, Drax, Mantis, and Gamora... He never even considered the sort of things Wanda has done.)

Next time we see her, she's with the Avengers on a mission learning to be undercover. She obeys orders, follows the team, and then saves Cap's life... But ends up accidentally killing dozens of Wakandans. Her punishment? Confined to Avengers Compound with Vision as company. And how does she deal with this? She attacks Vision and escapes, then tries to kill Stark in the battle in Germany (she and Black Panther were the only ones intentionally using deadly force; The others were all pulling punches.)

She and the others on Cap's side end up in prison (and of them all, she's the one who deserved it most) but Cap breaks them out and she goes on the run.

When next we see her she's having a romantic rendezvous with Vision. They're attacked, she protects Vision, and when it becomes clear that the stakes are 1/2 the life in the entire universe and Vision proposes they stop Thanos in his tracks by destroying the Mind Gem (a truly selfless sacrifice on his part) Wanda pushes back. She's completely unwilling to even talk about it. 1/2 the life in the universe isn't worth her attachment to Vision. She refuses. Cap, perhaps unwisely, backs her ("we don't trade lives") and so instead of destroying the stone when it would have worked to stop Thanos (before he got the Time Stone, so he couldn't turn it back and get it anyway) they waited until the very last second and it was a pointless sacrifice that enabled Thanos to win.

1/2 the life in the universe is destroyed. Wanda goes with it.

Five years later she comes back, as if no time had passed from her perspective, and she goes straight for Thanos. She doesn't care about the gauntlet, the war, the universe. She just wants revenge. She just wants to kill him, and she almost succeeds but he starts bombarding the battlefield to save his own life.

Wanda's pretty quiet after this until she goes to SWORD to retrieve Vision's body. Now, yes, SWORD's plot was ridiculous and pretty damned evil, but Wanda's reaction when truly faced with the loss of Vision is to enslave an entire town full of men, women, and children and trap them in her fantasy of a perfect TV life! She keeps this up for weeks. She creates a new Vision and two kids with her powers (no doubt the kids were kids she dreamed about, in another universe) and continues to make other people act as her puppets to keep up her fantasy. Vision releases them selectively and finds out they're suffering terribly. He witnesses people on the outskirts ("off screen") actually weeping as they're forced to go through repetitive motions. When briefly released during the fight with Agatha, people BEG her to let them go, to stop hurting them to let them see their children who she has kept hidden away, and she still doesn't want to let go of this fantasy that she has attached herself to.

Vision's influence and Agatha's even more malicious acts eventually convince Wanda that she has to let Vision and her kids go. She does so, and then walks away suffering no penalties. No incarceration. No punishment whatsoever. Not even a true apology or any attempt to make it up to the people she tortured for weeks.

Instead, she isolates herself in a cabin in the middle of nowhere and spends all her time in her astral Scarlet Witch form reading the most evil book in the multiverse, knowing it has a corrupting effect as Agatha insinuated, knowing it foretells her destroying the world, looking for a way to get her non-existent kids back.

WHERE'S THE REDEMPTION IN THIS?

At NO time is she ever truly remorseful for any of her action. At no time is she ever truly punished. The few light punishments she receives (ooh! Confined to the compound for a little while!) she balks at and runs from. She never sticks around to face judgment. She never surrenders to authorities or begs forgiveness from her victims. She never once does anything to save or help anyone that isn't in some way selfish or self-serving.

She was always a villain. Just because she was a beautiful villain with a tragic back-story doesn't mean she wasn't responsible for her crimes. Just because she occasionally feigned "switching sides" when it suited her needs doesn't mean she should have been allowed to go unpunished. She wasn't like Bucky, who was literally brainwashed into being a slave for HYDRA; She joined of her own free will and reveled in killing their enemies to get to Stark. She wasn't like the Hulk who at times couldn't control his alter-ego; She was always Wanda, always doing what Wanda wanted.

The ONLY way she could be redeemed is if they reveal that Chthon was possessing her from the start and none of her evil, selfish choices throughout her entire time in the MCU were her fault.

Otherwise, WandaVision didn't set up any sort of redemption arc. It literally ended with her evading justice for heinous crimes and seeking power in an evil book written by a demon to get what she wants.
 
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