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2022-05-23 8:33:13 PM  
Screw the NC GQP but for the people of NC I hope they finally accept it.
 
2022-05-23 9:34:47 PM  
Probably think it will eventually pop.
 
2022-05-23 9:36:21 PM  
There gotta be something evil attached to it. It's just the way they operate.
 
2022-05-23 11:38:59 PM  
$$ trump hate as usual
 
2022-05-24 12:22:00 AM  
Just read this earlier today.

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2022-05-24 12:23:42 AM  

sammyk: There gotta be something evil attached to it. It's just the way they operate.


Republicans always take free shiat eventually, then they take credit for it.
 
2022-05-24 12:37:12 AM  

sammyk: There gotta be something evil attached to it. It's just the way they operate.


I haven't seen the bill but the article mentions a work requirement in the draft. They're illegal to the point where it could be a poison pill.

Trump's HHS was pushing Medicaid expansion work requirements back in 2016, and three different states got approval from HHS to expand on that condition. A non-profit and legal services corps took the issue to federal court in DC, got it struck down as illegal under the statute. Trump's HHS appealed to circuit court, where they lost again, and then got granted cert at SCOTUS. Before the case could be heard, Biden was inaugurated and Xavier Becerra's HHS decided the circuit court was right. SCOTUS dropped the case because it was unopposed.

If NC's governor passed the expansion with a work requirement, whatever happens next is a real crapshoot. Becerra's HHS could say no, NC could sue if the AG was so inclined, DC Cir would lean to precedent and it could end up at SCOTUS again, which wouldn't be good.

The reason Trump's HHS lost is because the reasoning behind the requirement didn't jibe with the statute. The work requirement ended up terminating coverage for tens of thousands of beneficiaries in Arkansas, not just because they were unemployed, but because the system for reporting their employment didn't make sense. It was online or over the phone, and beneficiaries didn't realize they were supposed to call Medicaid -every month- and tell the state they still had a job. The system was designed to make sure fewer people got coverage.

The statute, however, said the programs were supposed to promote health for beneficiaries. Trump's HHS said it was promoting health by terminating unemployed beneficiaries' coverage and forcing them to get a job that included health insurance as a benefit. The federal judge did not agree, nor did the appellate panel, but I'm sure the 5 nincompoops that now run this country might say that's perfectly acceptable.
 
2022-05-24 12:38:40 AM  
2017, not 2016 fark. It was Neera Tanden, Trump's evil CMS secretary who used to work for Mike Pence decimating Medicaid in Indiana
 
2022-05-24 12:39:32 AM  
Medicaid is half-assed garbage. A silver PPACA plan destroys this crap. Not sure about bronze.

/over a dozen years on this medicaid plan from hades, waiting for dems to make good on their promise
//what's that? doesn't pay for necessary advanced care and just keeps throwing moar moar moar medications at everything?
///oh wow! because 'living' is totally about scratching off another year on the wall, and being kept in crap stasis forevs
 
2022-05-24 12:42:58 AM  

moothemagiccow: sammyk: There gotta be something evil attached to it. It's just the way they operate.

I haven't seen the bill but the article mentions a work requirement in the draft. They're illegal to the point where it could be a poison pill.

Trump's HHS was pushing Medicaid expansion work requirements back in 2016, and three different states got approval from HHS to expand on that condition. A non-profit and legal services corps took the issue to federal court in DC, got it struck down as illegal under the statute. Trump's HHS appealed to circuit court, where they lost again, and then got granted cert at SCOTUS. Before the case could be heard, Biden was inaugurated and Xavier Becerra's HHS decided the circuit court was right. SCOTUS dropped the case because it was unopposed.

If NC's governor passed the expansion with a work requirement, whatever happens next is a real crapshoot. Becerra's HHS could say no, NC could sue if the AG was so inclined, DC Cir would lean to precedent and it could end up at SCOTUS again, which wouldn't be good.

The reason Trump's HHS lost is because the reasoning behind the requirement didn't jibe with the statute. The work requirement ended up terminating coverage for tens of thousands of beneficiaries in Arkansas, not just because they were unemployed, but because the system for reporting their employment didn't make sense. It was online or over the phone, and beneficiaries didn't realize they were supposed to call Medicaid -every month- and tell the state they still had a job. The system was designed to make sure fewer people got coverage.

The statute, however, said the programs were supposed to promote health for beneficiaries. Trump's HHS said it was promoting health by terminating unemployed beneficiaries' coverage and forcing them to get a job that included health insurance as a benefit. The federal judge did not agree, nor did the appellate panel, but I'm sure the 5 nincompoops that now run this country might say that's perfectly acceptable ...


For a single person, 138% of Federal poverty guideline is $18,754.

If they can force people to work enough they no longer qualify.
 
2022-05-24 12:43:10 AM  

sammyk: There gotta be something evil attached to it. It's just the way they operate.


They just want to do everything in their power to make sure government spending looks "worse" when democrats are in charge.
 
2022-05-24 12:54:00 AM  
FTFA:
The measure also would permit nurse practitioners, certified nurse midwives and nurses with other advanced specialties to practice without a physician's formal supervision.

Into the trash it goes.
 
2022-05-24 12:54:42 AM  

moothemagiccow: 2017, not 2016 fark. It was Neera Tanden, Trump's evil CMS secretary who used to work for Mike Pence decimating Medicaid in Indiana


Dude. Seema Verma and Neera Tanden are not, in fact, the same person.
 
2022-05-24 1:18:38 AM  

My Klezmer Metal Cover Band: moothemagiccow: 2017, not 2016 fark. It was Neera Tanden, Trump's evil CMS secretary who used to work for Mike Pence decimating Medicaid in Indiana

Dude. Seema Verma and Neera Tanden are not, in fact, the same person.


Seema Verma and Neera Tanden are Bajoran names, but I think they are from those Maquis who just wreck stuff and hope they get paid better than the Ferengi for hauling contraband.
 
2022-05-24 1:27:00 AM  

My Klezmer Metal Cover Band: moothemagiccow: 2017, not 2016 fark. It was Neera Tanden, Trump's evil CMS secretary who used to work for Mike Pence decimating Medicaid in Indiana

Dude. Seema Verma and Neera Tanden are not, in fact, the same person.


Wow, they were born 16 days apart.
 
2022-05-24 1:34:08 AM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: For a single person, 138% of Federal poverty guideline is $18,754.

If they can force people to work enough they no longer qualify.


The thing is, it doesn't really work that way. If they have a job or are "medically fragile," they qualify. If they don't have a job, they don't qualify.

Medicaid expansion people aren't sitting on their asses. They're doing part-time work because they're typically they're engaged in some kind of uncompensated labor. Parent, grandparent, caring for an older relative. Almost all of them have a job and some good reason why they aren't working more. So they have too much income to qualify for standard Medicaid and not enough to qualify for a subsidized exchange plan.

The trouble is that the work requirement just creates another hurdle (like every other means test does) that kicks people off the program arbitrarily. They're not "too lazy to work" and living off benefits, they're just not as good at working the system.

All that ends up happening as a result of a work requirement on the expansion population is that people lose health insurance altogether.
 
2022-05-24 1:35:00 AM  

My Klezmer Metal Cover Band: moothemagiccow: 2017, not 2016 fark. It was Neera Tanden, Trump's evil CMS secretary who used to work for Mike Pence decimating Medicaid in Indiana

Dude. Seema Verma and Neera Tanden are not, in fact, the same person.


oh fark me
i need to go to bed like 3 hours ago
 
2022-05-24 1:37:55 AM  
It happens. I once referred to La Colombiana in her hearing as La Colombiana ... about three days after she'd screened that movie.

/cold week on the couch
 
2022-05-24 1:46:42 AM  

moothemagiccow: sammyk: There gotta be something evil attached to it. It's just the way they operate.

Trump's HHS ... Trump's HHS ... Trump's HHS ... Trump's HHS  ...


Putting at trump label on anything means it is stupid. First of all, trump is too stupid/ignorant to even know the HHS exists. Putting trump's name as a prefix indicates he had something to do with it. He did not. He played golf. He looked at kardasian's tits. He thought about all the porn stars he could rape with his tiny, tiny mushroom. He delivered Ukraine to the tiny man putin. He is a f*cking traitor.

The label "trump's XXXX" means a group for treasonous, lying filth who are only trying to steal from America and destroy America. For example, "trump's judge" indicates a lying, racist, idiotic, child molesting sack of shiat who should be disbarred.
 
2022-05-24 1:51:03 AM  

moothemagiccow: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: For a single person, 138% of Federal poverty guideline is $18,754.

If they can force people to work enough they no longer qualify.

The thing is, it doesn't really work that way. If they have a job or are "medically fragile," they qualify. If they don't have a job, they don't qualify.

Medicaid expansion people aren't sitting on their asses. They're doing part-time work because they're typically they're engaged in some kind of uncompensated labor. Parent, grandparent, caring for an older relative. Almost all of them have a job and some good reason why they aren't working more. So they have too much income to qualify for standard Medicaid and not enough to qualify for a subsidized exchange plan.

The trouble is that the work requirement just creates another hurdle (like every other means test does) that kicks people off the program arbitrarily. They're not "too lazy to work" and living off benefits, they're just not as good at working the system.

All that ends up happening as a result of a work requirement on the expansion population is that people lose health insurance altogether.


hell yeah, thats a great point Brother!
 
2022-05-24 4:51:47 AM  

DoctorCal: My Klezmer Metal Cover Band: moothemagiccow: 2017, not 2016 fark. It was Neera Tanden, Trump's evil CMS secretary who used to work for Mike Pence decimating Medicaid in Indiana

Dude. Seema Verma and Neera Tanden are not, in fact, the same person.

Wow, they were born 16 days apart.


It's a good thing they're not the same person, then. That would have been a rough delivery.
 
2022-05-24 6:47:03 AM  

gameshowhost: Medicaid is half-assed garbage. A silver PPACA plan destroys this crap. Not sure about bronze.

/over a dozen years on this medicaid plan from hades, waiting for dems to make good on their promise
//what's that? doesn't pay for necessary advanced care and just keeps throwing moar moar moar medications at everything?
///oh wow! because 'living' is totally about scratching off another year on the wall, and being kept in crap stasis forevs


Sounds like somebody wants Death Panels!

/s
 
2022-05-24 7:05:20 AM  
Yeah, there's a work requirement poison pill, but it's another sign the Genital Observation Party here in NC is worried their jobs might be threatened.
 
2022-05-24 7:18:39 AM  

gameshowhost: Medicaid is half-assed garbage. A silver PPACA plan destroys this crap. Not sure about bronze.

/over a dozen years on this medicaid plan ellfrom hades, waiting for dems to make good on their promise
//what's that? doesn't pay for necessary advanced care and just keeps throwing moar moar moar medications at everything?
///oh wow! because 'living' is totally about scratching off another year on the wall, and being kept in crap stasis forevs


The kicker is the constant stress of maintaining coverage and living under the shadow threat of cancellation for reasons.
 
2022-05-24 7:29:33 AM  
They hope people have forgotten they were the ones who blocked expansion in the first place.  I'm sure most have, which is why we need to remind them.
 
2022-05-24 7:34:32 AM  
Thanks Obama.
 
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