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(Ars Technica)   Google seems to have an unerring knack for killing off the very technology they helped to create. What's also unnerving is that they're resurrecting some, if not all, their failures. They'll never learn   (arstechnica.com) divider line
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2022-05-23 6:47:39 PM  
Android tablets are dead? When did that happen? I'm still using mine productively.
 
2022-05-23 7:23:51 PM  
Finally, it's time for Google+ to shine!
 
2022-05-23 7:37:44 PM  
Google is a business model built around its search engine, which used to be worth a damn but now gives you a huge mess of ads first, templated information second, and continually devalues everything else unless the authors continually fight by the rules of the day. Everyone uses it as a launch bar because it's in the URL, but then they know everything everyone searches for. Chrome is a nice stable browser but then they know everything everyone goes to. And Gmail and the office stuff (GDrive?) is free and nice for students. Android at least works but is annoying and lacks polish and doesn't give you anything iDevices don't.
 
2022-05-23 7:44:19 PM  

covfefe: Google is a business model built around its search engine, which used to be worth a damn but now gives you a huge mess of ads first, templated information second, and continually devalues everything else unless the authors continually fight by the rules of the day. Everyone uses it as a launch bar because it's in the URL, but then they know everything everyone searches for. Chrome is a nice stable browser but then they know everything everyone goes to. And Gmail and the office stuff (GDrive?) is free and nice for students. Android at least works but is annoying and lacks polish and doesn't give you anything iDevices don't.

Ads

FTFY

They obviously don't care about actual search results. If the product returns a profit, it stays.
 
2022-05-23 8:01:58 PM  
 
2022-05-23 8:31:31 PM  
Card stack browsing is gone from Chrome on mobile, and I never got over it.
 
2022-05-23 9:39:11 PM  
Android tablets are very useful for certain things, in particular reading comics and Manga.
 
2022-05-23 10:01:52 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: covfefe: Google is a business model built around its search engine, which used to be worth a damn but now gives you a huge mess of ads first, templated information second, and continually devalues everything else unless the authors continually fight by the rules of the day. Everyone uses it as a launch bar because it's in the URL, but then they know everything everyone searches for. Chrome is a nice stable browser but then they know everything everyone goes to. And Gmail and the office stuff (GDrive?) is free and nice for students. Android at least works but is annoying and lacks polish and doesn't give you anything iDevices don't. Ads. 

FTFY

They obviously don't care about actual search results. If the product returns a profit, it stays.


They have degraded the search result quality over time. They don't want you to see the "good" search result too soon, otherwise you will miss seeing enough of the juicy ads.
 
2022-05-23 10:04:51 PM  

labman: https://killedbygoogle.com/


That site needs to have a zombie icon for stuff that's been resurrected.
 
2022-05-23 10:12:37 PM  
Should I be worried about Golang? It's nice for small backend services, but Google really really likes to screw people.
 
2022-05-23 10:35:50 PM  
Google is like some kind of Hanlon's Sandwich: seemingly stupid, but actually evil and insidiously exploitative, but possibly shooting themselves in the foot in the longer run.
 
2022-05-23 10:42:38 PM  
Microsoft has a long history here as well. Like killing off Cortana by removing most of its functionality. It used to be a great assistant I used to send text messages while driving for example. I could wake it with a voice command and say "send a text to bob smith saying I'll be there in half an hour" and it would do it. On phone, tablet or PC you could open Word, turn off wifi, set an alarm, and if you had the kit turn your lights on and adjust your AC.
All gone.
Cortana only works in Office 365 now and only does a tiny fraction of the things she used to do.
Why remove functionality that is already there and working?
If Ms can keep Paint and a Fax app on Windows why not keep Cortana for people who used it, especially people with impairments for who voice commands were very useful?
 
2022-05-23 10:47:52 PM  

Atomic Redneck: They have degraded the search result quality over time. They don't want you to see the "good" search result too soon, otherwise you will miss seeing enough of the juicy ads.


I know, you can't bury a dead body on page two of a Google search anymore.
 
2022-05-23 11:34:28 PM  
Android tablet, cold dead hands etc
Sure as hell will never buy a G%gle tablet though
 
2022-05-23 11:48:17 PM  

Bob Down: Android tablet, cold dead hands etc
Sure as hell will never buy a G%gle tablet though


I'm open to any tablet I can root and configure properly.
 
2022-05-24 12:51:03 AM  

covfefe: Google is a business model built around its search engine, which used to be worth a damn but now gives you a huge mess of ads first, templated information second, and continually devalues everything else unless the authors continually fight by the rules of the day. Everyone uses it as a launch bar because it's in the URL, but then they know everything everyone searches for. Chrome is a nice stable browser but then they know everything everyone goes to. And Gmail and the office stuff (GDrive?) is free and nice for students. Android at least works but is annoying and lacks polish and doesn't give you anything iDevices don't.


Google is very similar to a petro-state. Their money comes from ads but they realize they need to diversify so they give their managers wide latitude to start new projects. Those same managers have to show profit though so either they pivot back to the ads because their pet project can't make money no matter how good it is, or when some champion of a project gets an offer to jump to one of the other big tech companies, no other managers are willing to stick their neck out for someone else's idea.

It's very similar to oil rich countries trying new investments. Saudi Arabia knows the oil is going to run out. So some prince tries making money on real-estate or crypto or whatever, only to find it will never  print money the way the oil does so they abandon their project. Or they upset the king and it gets abandoned anyway. And just like Google, once one prince is out, none of the others are real excited to run with the former guy's projects.
 
2022-05-24 1:02:40 AM  

Jumpthruhoops: Should I be worried about Golang? It's nice for small backend services, but Google really really likes to screw people.


We decided against Golang at work partly due to some language design things the senior devs don't like and partly because Google might pull support. We migrated off Firebase for the same reason and we're working to eliminate Google Cloud services as much as possible (kind of stuck with it for messaging non Android though)

That said Golang does have far better community support than Dart which no one adopted.

On the other hand if you're just building something small that's not enterprise scale, why not just use Python? It has better community support, better modules and it's more convenient to run. The only advantages Golang has are type-safety and speed.
 
2022-05-24 2:00:49 AM  

Ghastly: Android tablets are dead? When did that happen? I'm still using mine productively.


This snarky comment courtesy of my Apple Newton.
 
2022-05-24 2:19:11 AM  

JerkfaceMcGee: Ghastly: Android tablets are dead? When did that happen? I'm still using mine productively.

This snarky comment courtesy of my Apple Newton.


Eat up Martha.
 
2022-05-24 2:43:55 AM  

Ghastly: Android tablets are dead? When did that happen? I'm still using mine productively.


Not only are they not dead, there's still a pretty damn good selection out there.

Not two weeks ago I hit the local Costco and they had everything from little $80 cheapos to $400-500 Samsungs.

Actually debated getting one of the cheaper ones and a keyboard dock.  Do a fair amount of traveling both work and personal. Having something smaller than my 15.6" laptop that I can just toss in my backpack along with my work laptop for the occasional overnight would be great, and I never really got the hang of Chromebooks.

/For... Reasons.
//Reasons I don't want to use my work laptop for.
///Porn.  That reason is porn.
 
2022-05-24 3:49:59 AM  
I thought we long ago established that google is a software group that sucks at hardware
 
2022-05-24 4:24:10 AM  
Remember trying to get an invite to Google Wave, which was supposed to be awesome?
 
2022-05-24 6:22:57 AM  

Ghastly: Android tablets are dead? When did that happen? I'm still using mine productively.


Yes, and Fire tablets are the most popular Android tablets on the market, don't you know?

Wtf was that author smoking?
 
2022-05-24 7:13:30 AM  

covfefe: Google is a business model built around its search engine, which used to be worth a damn but now gives you a huge mess of ads first, templated information second, and continually devalues everything else unless the authors continually fight by the rules of the day.


Getting past this issue is simple:  If you need actual information, putting "site:reddit.com" at the end of the search string will be a lot more likely to send you to a useable answer.
 
2022-05-24 7:14:49 AM  
The title got my hopes up for a moment that the old Google Music app was coming back...
 
2022-05-24 9:27:30 AM  
Google Wallet -> Android Pay -> Google Pay -> Google Wallet

I was going to set up my phone last week for NFC payments, but i couldn't figure out if the right app was Pay, Wallet or Gpay (the app name on my Pixel).
 
2022-05-24 10:37:47 AM  

cfreak: Jumpthruhoops: Should I be worried about Golang? It's nice for small backend services, but Google really really likes to screw people.

We decided against Golang at work partly due to some language design things the senior devs don't like and partly because Google might pull support. We migrated off Firebase for the same reason and we're working to eliminate Google Cloud services as much as possible (kind of stuck with it for messaging non Android though)

That said Golang does have far better community support than Dart which no one adopted.

On the other hand if you're just building something small that's not enterprise scale, why not just use Python? It has better community support, better modules and it's more convenient to run. The only advantages Golang has are type-safety and speed.


I got traded to this team a few months ago and the tech stack is all over the place. Anything that directly interacts with the data layer is in Go. A huge part of the business logic is in Node, but at least it's TypeScript. The mobile app is Unity (C#) and the web app is React, served by Node.

The user data is in Firestore and the data that the Node stuff uses is in DynamoDB. It all works surprisingly well considering that the codebase screams "no one is in charge and we made it up as we went".
 
2022-05-24 10:50:43 AM  

Jumpthruhoops: cfreak: Jumpthruhoops: Should I be worried about Golang? It's nice for small backend services, but Google really really likes to screw people.

We decided against Golang at work partly due to some language design things the senior devs don't like and partly because Google might pull support. We migrated off Firebase for the same reason and we're working to eliminate Google Cloud services as much as possible (kind of stuck with it for messaging non Android though)

That said Golang does have far better community support than Dart which no one adopted.

On the other hand if you're just building something small that's not enterprise scale, why not just use Python? It has better community support, better modules and it's more convenient to run. The only advantages Golang has are type-safety and speed.

I got traded to this team a few months ago and the tech stack is all over the place. Anything that directly interacts with the data layer is in Go. A huge part of the business logic is in Node, but at least it's TypeScript. The mobile app is Unity (C#) and the web app is React, served by Node.

The user data is in Firestore and the data that the Node stuff uses is in DynamoDB. It all works surprisingly well considering that the codebase screams "no one is in charge and we made it up as we went".


LOL. Yeah it happens. I'm the lead on an old codebase (i've been here a long time). Layers of stuff that were built using whatever solved the problem at the time. We have some native apps, some react native apps, some backend stuff is written in C#, some other stuff in Node, and a bunch of stuff in Python. We used Firestore for awhile but found problems with it (aside from just Google) and migrated to a GraphQL solution (based on an RDBMs).  Parts of our app also interface with Netsuite which is a terrible system.

Our worst mistake was going with Elastic Search. I wouldn't wish that dreadful program on my enemies. We finally got that garbage excised from our codebase about a year ago.
 
2022-05-24 10:51:47 AM  

Jumpthruhoops: cfreak: Jumpthruhoops: technobabble


I forgot to address the scaling stuff. It's not bad at all now. Maybe 10,000 concurrent users on a good day. We have orders from on high to integrate it with a much larger service and I fully expect it to explode. I don't know their concurrent users, but their MAU is about 120MM.
 
2022-05-24 3:53:13 PM  

Jumpthruhoops: Jumpthruhoops: cfreak: Jumpthruhoops: technobabble

I forgot to address the scaling stuff. It's not bad at all now. Maybe 10,000 concurrent users on a good day. We have orders from on high to integrate it with a much larger service and I fully expect it to explode. I don't know their concurrent users, but their MAU is about 120MM.


Wow. Yeah 120MM is out of the realm of quick and dirty python.

We're running around 100k so it's not huge. We're pretty niche too so I don't expect giant growth. Still there are days where I wouldn't mind having something a bit faster, though to be fair I suspect our performance issues have more to do with terrible database design than with the code itself.

/ throw another container at it
 
2022-05-24 10:32:19 PM  

Bob Down: Android tablet, cold dead hands etc
Sure as hell will never buy a G%gle tablet though


I bought a used Google Pixel C tablet from Goodwill a few weeks ago. Wouldn't upgrade past Android 8 (I believe) so I quit using it.

I got it, only because it was cheap. I won't turn down a $10 tablet.

/besides, the Lenovo M10 FHD tablets are far better
 
2022-05-25 1:20:47 AM  

TTFK: covfefe: Google is a business model built around its search engine, which used to be worth a damn but now gives you a huge mess of ads first, templated information second, and continually devalues everything else unless the authors continually fight by the rules of the day.

Getting past this issue is simple:  If you need actual information, putting "site:reddit.com" at the end of the search string will be a lot more likely to send you to a useable answer.


While true, I'm not sure whether that's a testament to the quality of reddit or the rest of the internet.

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