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2022-05-23 9:17:09 AM  
And when Trump wins in 2024 none of this will matter and China will steam roll Taiwan. China isn't ready to invade Taiwan anyway; they don't have the amphibious warfare capabalities required to make a landing and they don't have the transport capacity to take advantage of any foothold that an amphibious operation would secure. It wouldn't be a D-Day size invasion, probably more comparable to when the US invaded Okinawa. It would still require hundreds of ships, hundreds of airplanes and hundreds of thousands of men. Not only would they have to cross the straits, but they would have to maintain secure supply lines across them. The recent success of Ukrainian ground based missiles against Russian warships demonstrates just how vulnerable Chinese transports and military vessels would be to attack against modern anti-ship weaponry.
The fact is China will not be ready to invade Taiwan for a while, and when (if) they do start preparing for it, the world will notice.
 
2022-05-23 9:25:13 AM  
Xi has cultivated ultra Nationalists, especially in his military. It's a beast that is hard to contain.
 
2022-05-23 9:28:39 AM  
I know it's been awhile and there was a big ol' Calvinball of foreign policy there for four years, but isn't this long standing US policy?
 
2022-05-23 9:40:52 AM  
If you're asking me if I miss Trump, you can go f*ck yourself.
 
2022-05-23 9:43:30 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I know it's been awhile and there was a big ol' Calvinball of foreign policy there for four years, but isn't this long standing US policy?


Ding ding ding, winner.

Unfortunately we have a sizable contingent in the US hellbent on reneging American Dreams like asylum and support of foreign democracies.
 
2022-05-23 9:51:04 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I know it's been awhile and there was a big ol' Calvinball of foreign policy there for four years, but isn't this long standing US policy?


Pretty much, but given the while Ukraine situation, it kind of needs to be said out loud so that China can hear it. They REALLY want the cash going through Taiwan, even with their own massive amounts of manufacturing. Plus, China really wants the band all together. China can survive slicing off diplomatic relations with the US, but it won't be comfortable, especially with a fiscally gutted Russia as a neighbor.

China would love to scoop up Taiwan, but they're listing a bit thanks to COVID and factory shutdowns. They've watched the Ukraine situation, and Xi has to weigh the potential wealth and prestige of bringing them into the fold over sanctions and reduced trade when they kind of need it most. And how vulnerable he'll be at home too. This is a dog that they might be better off sleeping for a bit longer. At least until they get their economy a bit more in order.

None of their neighbors will be able to step in to take their manufacturing status away, but an interrupt in it, especially with their biggest trading partners like the US and the EU, and possibly Japan, it would throw a lot of monkey wrenches in some 5 year plans, and give their neighbors a chance to take some of that business away permanently.
 
2022-05-23 10:27:14 AM  
I never liked Trump or Bush playing the crazy leader.  I was too young to appreciate Reagan.

But I like this crazy Joe.

He can go off script more often.
 
2022-05-23 10:27:46 AM  
Whatever you think of what the U.S. foreign policy has done in the past, the U.S. would never be trusted again if it abandoned Taiwan to the CCP.   The loss to the U.S. would be incalculable.

Everyone realizes that, except for Trump and his followers.
 
2022-05-23 10:28:31 AM  
We all were.
Biden isn't known for taking any action.
Maybe he should have a study about it first.
 
2022-05-23 10:29:38 AM  
Jim Sciutto  @jimsciutto  1h
On Biden and Taiwan, a source familiar with the president's thinking tells me there is *no* new US-Taiwan policy. When the president said the US would intervene "militarily", he meant providing weapons, not deploying US forces - consistent with the 1979 Taiwan Relations Act. 1/

Jim Sciutto @jimsciutto
2/ This would also be consistent with US support for Ukraine, that is, weapons not boots on the ground. Though there are both Ds and Rs who are pushing for more ambiguity than clarity to, in effect, keep both Moscow and Beijing guessing.
 
2022-05-23 10:30:10 AM  

sinner4ever: We all were.
Biden isn't known for taking any action.
Maybe he should have a study about it first.


If only you put on 1/100th of the effort opposing Nazis that you do to opposing democrats.
 
2022-05-23 10:30:42 AM  
And there is that whole AUKUS agreement thing that Joe Biden did.  Small thing, itty bitty really, one should infrommed if one is unfrommed.

Soon it will likely turn into the JAUKUS agreement when Japan is able to sign on.   The Chinese navy got nothin on the Japanese nvm the Brits, Aussies, and US doing freaking laps.
 
2022-05-23 10:30:56 AM  
On the one hand: WTF Joe, you're supposed to troll softly.

On the other hand: At least it's unambiguous now.
 
JJR
2022-05-23 10:30:57 AM  
Did uncle Joe say we would take Iwo Jima?
 
2022-05-23 10:31:18 AM  
Since Russia won't exactly be coming to their aid, we may as well flex a bit.
 
2022-05-23 10:31:26 AM  

sinner4ever: We all were.
Biden isn't known for taking any action.
Maybe he should have a study about it first.


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2022-05-23 10:32:14 AM  
If you're gonna have a World War III, you'd better invite the world.
 
2022-05-23 10:32:23 AM  

NewportBarGuy: If you're asking me if I miss Trump, you can go f*ck yourself.


Aaannnd we're done here.
 
2022-05-23 10:33:36 AM  
And this is why the FAB plants being build an the reshoring of American assembly, (because the Chinese don't make nearly as much as they assemble) and that the stability of US assembly and in the case of the FABs manufacturing!  (jerbs!)  Is going to offset the risk costs that the assembly wages would be.

And generally those jobs require skills and those are teachable skills, that will need educated people with some community college.

Oh, well wait, yeah, Trumps was the jobs guy.  Give me a break.
 
2022-05-23 10:34:18 AM  
Hey, remember that article last week about politicians buying military stock in the ramp up for Ukraine this year?

Yeah, war is profitable.
 
2022-05-23 10:35:34 AM  
I think he gets an email when "Biden" appears in a headline so he can log in on all of his accounts.
 
2022-05-23 10:35:49 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I know it's been awhile and there was a big ol' Calvinball of foreign policy there for four years, but isn't this long standing US policy?


Yes but it's the soft part of Domestic Policy.  You want cheap goods from Big China but you don't need any big trouble in Little China.  You wanna russell up trouble?  That's how you russell up trouble.
 
2022-05-23 10:36:27 AM  

misanthropicsob: Hey, remember that article last week about politicians buying military stock in the ramp up for Ukraine this year?

Yeah, war is profitable.


This True Progressive would like you to know that it's Biden's fault that Putin invaded Ukraine.

Such a progressive.
 
2022-05-23 10:36:52 AM  
So, we know where the US stands on our existing policies, perhaps, someone should tell him to try and focus on things like inflation, gas prices, the R domestic terrorist group, and other things going forward. I know he has taken steps and mentions these things (I've stayed off all cable news and generally check articles here because of the doom and gloom of coverage of Biden after 4-years of knobbing TFG's tiny mushroom) but be repetitive, it's the only way people pay farking attention.
 
2022-05-23 10:37:37 AM  
Good piece:

'Deadly serious': U.S. quietly urging Taiwan to follow Ukraine playbook for countering China

At the same time, the U.S. effort to reshape Taiwan's military has taken on new urgency since the Russian invasion, officials and experts said. U.S. officials are pointing to Ukraine's success with Stinger anti-aircraft and Javelin anti-tank missiles, as well as its spirited corps of civilian volunteers, as proof that the strategy they have long endorsed works.

"The Ukraine situation validated some long-standing steps we've been taking in Taiwan," said one DoD official, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive topic.

Top U.S. military officials have said in recent weeks that Taipei is learning critical lessons from Russia's invasion of Ukraine that the island could apply to a Chinese attack. Lt. Gen. Scott Berrier, director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, noted in a recent hearing the importance of small unit tactics, a noncommissioned officer corps, and effective training "with the right weapons systems."

"I think they're learning some very interesting lessons from the Ukrainian conflict, like how important leadership is," Berrier said.
 
2022-05-23 10:39:05 AM  

marklar2012: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I know it's been awhile and there was a big ol' Calvinball of foreign policy there for four years, but isn't this long standing US policy?

Ding ding ding, winner.

Unfortunately we have a sizable contingent in the US hellbent on reneging American Dreams like asylum and support of foreign democracies.


It's the Ladder Lifting Brigade.  We have our democracy and liberties, so they pull the ladder up after us and don't let anybody else up.  America can't be the best if there isn't somebody who's worse off, after all.
 
2022-05-23 10:39:10 AM  

misanthropicsob: Hey, remember that article last week about politicians buying military stock in the ramp up for Ukraine this year?

Yeah, war is profitable.


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2022-05-23 10:39:42 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I know it's been awhile and there was a big ol' Calvinball of foreign policy there for four years, but isn't this long standing US policy?

Yes but it's the soft part of Domestic Policy.  You want cheap goods from Big China but you don't need any big trouble in Little China.  You wanna russell up trouble?  That's how you russell up trouble.


I'm a reasonable guy. But, I've just experienced some very unreasonable things
 
2022-05-23 10:39:48 AM  

giantmeteor: And when Trump wins in 2024 none of this will matter and China will steam roll Taiwan. China isn't ready to invade Taiwan anyway; they don't have the amphibious warfare capabalities required to make a landing and they don't have the transport capacity to take advantage of any foothold that an amphibious operation would secure. It wouldn't be a D-Day size invasion, probably more comparable to when the US invaded Okinawa. It would still require hundreds of ships, hundreds of airplanes and hundreds of thousands of men. Not only would they have to cross the straits, but they would have to maintain secure supply lines across them. The recent success of Ukrainian ground based missiles against Russian warships demonstrates just how vulnerable Chinese transports and military vessels would be to attack against modern anti-ship weaponry.
The fact is China will not be ready to invade Taiwan for a while, and when (if) they do start preparing for it, the world will notice.


And that's not even the half of it.  The Taiwanese will put up STIFF resistance.  Plus, moving off the military strategery for a moment, you want to talk about the mother of all supply chain disruptions?  Have China invade Taiwan.  Not only will Taiwanese chip fab production be decimated, but China itself will come under predictable sanctions, so that will mean that the Chinese will probably retaliate by curbing trade with the West, or at minimum the US. It won't be totally gone, but it'll hurt just enough that it will get our attention.  Oh we'll get involved alright, for that reason alone.
 
2022-05-23 10:40:56 AM  
The problem is Ukrainians are white ... Taiwanese? They're part of the race getting shoved in front of trains and murdered on a regular basis here, so I don't think there's the same amount of love from a country who still believes they all eat dogs or some nonsense.

Good for Joe. Now you need to convince white America it's the right choice.
 
2022-05-23 10:41:06 AM  
Taiwan is rightful Chinese soil!  Did you know America genocided a whole bunch of natives? And let's not forget slavery.
 
2022-05-23 10:42:28 AM  
 We've seen how well this administration handles the economy and military operations.  War with China would be a one sided flop and not our side.
 
2022-05-23 10:42:28 AM  

hubiestubert: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I know it's been awhile and there was a big ol' Calvinball of foreign policy there for four years, but isn't this long standing US policy?

Pretty much, but given the while Ukraine situation, it kind of needs to be said out loud so that China can hear it. They REALLY want the cash going through Taiwan, even with their own massive amounts of manufacturing. Plus, China really wants the band all together. China can survive slicing off diplomatic relations with the US, but it won't be comfortable, especially with a fiscally gutted Russia as a neighbor.

China would love to scoop up Taiwan, but they're listing a bit thanks to COVID and factory shutdowns. They've watched the Ukraine situation, and Xi has to weigh the potential wealth and prestige of bringing them into the fold over sanctions and reduced trade when they kind of need it most. And how vulnerable he'll be at home too. This is a dog that they might be better off sleeping for a bit longer. At least until they get their economy a bit more in order.

None of their neighbors will be able to step in to take their manufacturing status away, but an interrupt in it, especially with their biggest trading partners like the US and the EU, and possibly Japan, it would throw a lot of monkey wrenches in some 5 year plans, and give their neighbors a chance to take some of that business away permanently.


Honestly, China sort of screwed the pooch here between Hong Kong and the whole "wolf-warrior" diplomacy thing.  If they'd stood back and let the money roll in they could have strengthened economic ties with Taiwan to the point where it would have been impossible to disentangle the two countries, then just nudged elections a bit to get pro-China folks in.  Fine, they keep the name Taiwan but they become effectively a vassal state of China without a shot being fired.  All it would have cost would be a bit of pride

But Taiwan has now seen via Hong Kong what happens when you let China annex you, and the absurd level of Chinese belligerence is uniting a lot of states throughout south Asia that really don't like each other much but worry about China more.  An amphibious invasion is still possible, but at enormous cost and dubious returns (TSMC is going to get leveled in the fighting).  Meanwhile, you have Japan re-arming and Australia moving from stealthy but defensive only coastal defense subs to "fark you" Virginia/Astute class nukes.

Xi's smarter than Putin, but he's been getting high off his own stash too long at this point.
 
2022-05-23 10:42:32 AM  

Cokezeroinacan: misanthropicsob: Hey, remember that article last week about politicians buying military stock in the ramp up for Ukraine this year?

Yeah, war is profitable.

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Sorry that you don't like the intersection of war and politician's personal enrichment. I think it's amusing that you think it's an anti-war statement.

Maybe you should call on politicians - the ones enriching themselves - to do something about that.
 
2022-05-23 10:43:17 AM  

wademh: Xi has cultivated ultra Nationalists, especially in his military. It's a beast that is hard to contain.


Yes, and it's aimed at the border areas with India.

The arms sales discussions with India is the real maneuver against containing china - though it has only come about because India's primary weapons dealer just imploded.  The Taiwan situation is small potatoes in comparison (it's just pride and people - China can wait for that to be overcome).  The situation with India though - that's resources and that can't wait forever.

Xi must be absolutely furious with Putin right about now - the last thing he needs is India with US weapons and training.  And his farking around in UKR is resulting in Xi finding out.
 
2022-05-23 10:43:50 AM  

OhioUGrad: So, we know where the US stands on our existing policies, perhaps, someone should tell him to try and focus on things like inflation, gas prices, the R domestic terrorist group, and other things going forward. I know he has taken steps and mentions these things (I've stayed off all cable news and generally check articles here because of the doom and gloom of coverage of Biden after 4-years of knobbing TFG's tiny mushroom) but be repetitive, it's the only way people pay farking attention.


Yeah so much knob shining!

"According to a comprehensive study by Harvard University, Trump received 93 percent negative coverage from CNN and NBC News in the first 100 days of his presidency. CBS News coverage was 91 percent negative, while the New York Times and Washington Post clocked in at 87 percent and 83 percent negative, respectively.
Similarly, the Pew Research Center found that Trump received just 5 percent positive coverage, with 33 percent being deemed neutral. His predecessor, Barack Obama,received eight times more positive coverage than Trump. Pew also found that 68 percent of the coverage that Biden received was either positive or neutral. "

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/585215-do-the-media-really-treat-biden-worse-than-trump/

Getting your news from the echo chamber isn't healthy 🙄
 
2022-05-23 10:45:45 AM  
Bwah.

Talk about gaffes that aren't gaffes.

Oh yeah, I was just confused there. I totally meant Ukraine. That wasn't any sort of eye-check on you not trying any BS thinking you can get away with something.

You know how idled I am and how befuddled I get sometimes.
 
2022-05-23 10:45:46 AM  

misanthropicsob: Cokezeroinacan: misanthropicsob: Hey, remember that article last week about politicians buying military stock in the ramp up for Ukraine this year?

Yeah, war is profitable.

[Fark user image image 425x536]

Sorry that you don't like the intersection of war and politician's personal enrichment. I think it's amusing that you think it's an anti-war statement.

Maybe you should call on politicians - the ones enriching themselves - to do something about that.


I'd rather call out the politicians who aren't enriching themselves, for not doing enough to stop the politicians who are enriching themselves.

I learned it from watching you, dad!
 
2022-05-23 10:49:57 AM  
It doesn't seem that long ago that arguing for anything other than sanctions was "aggressive warmongering" and "playing into Putin's hands" when it came to Ukraine.
If we had shown the kind of backbone that Biden is showing here back in December and January perhaps Ukraine would have avoided war entirely.I guess threatening war against the second biggest superpower in the world is both different and totally okay because reasons.
 
2022-05-23 10:50:05 AM  

OhioUGrad: So, we know where the US stands on our existing policies, perhaps, someone should tell him to try and focus on things like inflation, gas prices, the R domestic terrorist group, and other things going forward. I know he has taken steps and mentions these things (I've stayed off all cable news and generally check articles here because of the doom and gloom of coverage of Biden after 4-years of knobbing TFG's tiny mushroom) but be repetitive, it's the only way people pay farking attention.


Well, the wider world seems to be experiencing those same issues right now, so it doesn't appear to be a us-specific problem.  Even if Joe managed to solve those problems for the whole world, the Rs would still insult and oppose him.
 
2022-05-23 10:50:41 AM  
Whoa, he said out loud what has been de facto US policy for decades. THE MAN IS INSANE! IMPEACH!
 
2022-05-23 10:51:58 AM  
Apparently, all it takes for Democrats to turn into warhawks is for there to be a Democrat in office.
 
2022-05-23 10:52:30 AM  

KCinPA: OhioUGrad: So, we know where the US stands on our existing policies, perhaps, someone should tell him to try and focus on things like inflation, gas prices, the R domestic terrorist group, and other things going forward. I know he has taken steps and mentions these things (I've stayed off all cable news and generally check articles here because of the doom and gloom of coverage of Biden after 4-years of knobbing TFG's tiny mushroom) but be repetitive, it's the only way people pay farking attention.

Yeah so much knob shining!

"According to a comprehensive study by Harvard University, Trump received 93 percent negative coverage from CNN and NBC News in the first 100 days of his presidency. CBS News coverage was 91 percent negative, while the New York Times and Washington Post clocked in at 87 percent and 83 percent negative, respectively.
Similarly, the Pew Research Center found that Trump received just 5 percent positive coverage, with 33 percent being deemed neutral. His predecessor, Barack Obama,received eight times more positive coverage than Trump. Pew also found that 68 percent of the coverage that Biden received was either positive or neutral. "

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/585215-do-the-media-really-treat-biden-worse-than-trump/

Getting your news from the echo chamber isn't healthy 🙄


Yes, because there is absolutely zero difference between the Biden and Obama administrations and the Trump administrations levels of competence, and corruption.  A flat measure of positive vs. negative publicity completely ignores the fact that the Trump Administration was a god damn scandal ridden shiat show of incompetence laced with evil.  Now you will tell me that water is wet.  No kidding.
 
2022-05-23 10:54:20 AM  

Cokezeroinacan: misanthropicsob: Cokezeroinacan: misanthropicsob: Hey, remember that article last week about politicians buying military stock in the ramp up for Ukraine this year?

Yeah, war is profitable.

[Fark user image image 425x536]

Sorry that you don't like the intersection of war and politician's personal enrichment. I think it's amusing that you think it's an anti-war statement.

Maybe you should call on politicians - the ones enriching themselves - to do something about that.

I'd rather call out the politicians who aren't enriching themselves, for not doing enough to stop the politicians who are enriching themselves.

I learned it from watching you, dad!


That's probably like three people in all of DC.
 
2022-05-23 10:55:58 AM  

misanthropicsob: Cokezeroinacan: misanthropicsob: Cokezeroinacan: misanthropicsob: Hey, remember that article last week about politicians buying military stock in the ramp up for Ukraine this year?

Yeah, war is profitable.

[Fark user image image 425x536]

Sorry that you don't like the intersection of war and politician's personal enrichment. I think it's amusing that you think it's an anti-war statement.

Maybe you should call on politicians - the ones enriching themselves - to do something about that.

I'd rather call out the politicians who aren't enriching themselves, for not doing enough to stop the politicians who are enriching themselves.

I learned it from watching you, dad!

That's probably like three people in all of DC.


I guess I shouldn't vote, and should just let the fascists take over, then!
 
2022-05-23 10:56:07 AM  

misanthropicsob: Hey, remember that article last week about politicians buying military stock in the ramp up for Ukraine this year?

Yeah, war is profitable.


Yeah, we should totally let Ukraine fall to Russia, and may as well give China free reign in Taiwan while we're at it, because otherwise someone might make money. As every good Tanky and Communist Cosplayer on the internet knows, brutal dictatorship is far preferable to anyone making a profit ever. Why don't (((globalist))) centrists realize this simple fact?
 
2022-05-23 10:59:24 AM  

Shaggy_C: It doesn't seem that long ago that arguing for anything other than sanctions was "aggressive warmongering" and "playing into Putin's hands" when it came to Ukraine.
If we had shown the kind of backbone that Biden is showing here back in December and January perhaps Ukraine would have avoided war entirely.I guess threatening war against the second biggest superpower in the world is both different and totally okay because reasons.


They're now on an island militarily speaking, thanks to Ukraine.  So yeah. There are reasons.
 
2022-05-23 11:00:31 AM  
I don't give a shiat about Taiwan. Sorry. We have our own problems.
 
2022-05-23 11:07:13 AM  
Good, this is why we need actual leadership in the WH, instead of the idiocy of the Trump regime.  As said above, Biden is just reinforcing long-standing policy.  China needs to know that we aren't going to let them take Taiwan, just like we aren't letting Russia take Ukraine.  We might not be putting boots on the ground, but we're not sitting idly by while other countries try and aggressively take what doesn't belong to them...
 
2022-05-23 11:10:04 AM  
This made quite an impact on Japanese news. His... enthusiasm and quick answer, with no qualification... was a breath of fresh air.
 
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