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(MSN)   Hey, remember that one about the bold, plucky band of Libertarians who founded their own island nation and then got conquered by the King of Tonga leading a small army of prisoners and a brass band? Good times, good times   (msn.com) divider line
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2022-05-23 8:50:13 AM  
So, what I'm getting here is that Libertarians make for terrible sailors.
 
2022-05-23 9:13:58 AM  
That was an interesting read but a little disappointing in that the libertarians didn't suffer more.

If you enjoy libertarians suffering at the hands of their own idiocy, I highly recommend this book:

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2022-05-23 9:40:22 AM  
Libertarians: I want to stick my dick anywhere.
Extreme right wingers: you can't stick your dick anywhere unless I say so. But I can stick my dick where I want.
Lefties: you can stick you dick where you want, it you do it in private, and have a signed consent form.
 
2022-05-23 9:49:53 AM  
That was my favorite Neal Stephenson novel.
 
2022-05-23 9:52:37 AM  
I really never get tired of hearing of the failures of libertarians. The more spectacular the better.
 
2022-05-23 9:54:51 AM  
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Nothing new here.

This is what Americans have always done.

This is also why Texans are assholes.
 
2022-05-23 9:54:55 AM  
I bet they all knew how to spell ephebophilia.
 
2022-05-23 9:55:08 AM  
Or as my friends and I call them, LOLbertarians.

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2022-05-23 9:56:24 AM  
Had a guy at work try to "set me straight" about modern day Libertarians.  "You should read up on <insert name of the new movement>.  These people are really on to something.  They aren't like the Libertarians of years ago.".  He was not happy when I waved my hand and said Libertarianism is a giant crock.
 
2022-05-23 9:59:30 AM  
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2022-05-23 9:59:40 AM  
My favorite part of any exercise Galting (Galtsmanship? it's fine because women tend to be too smart to Galt) is the inevitable precipitous failure of said venture.
 
2022-05-23 10:05:02 AM  

iheartscotch: My favorite part of any exercise Galting (Galtsmanship? it's fine because women tend to be too smart to Galt) is the inevitable precipitous failure of said venture.


Difficulty: a woman invented Galt
 
2022-05-23 10:06:24 AM  

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2022-05-23 10:07:14 AM  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: Had a guy at work try to "set me straight" about modern day Libertarians.  "You should read up on <insert name of the new movement>.  These people are really on to something.  They aren't like the Libertarians of years ago.".  He was not happy when I waved my hand and said Libertarianism is a giant crock.


I like to just ask them to name a single functioning form of libertariansim that has ever existed ever at any point in time that would be a model to work toward.

Tends to cause a lot of consternation amongst the Very Intellectual Libertarian Class.
 
2022-05-23 10:13:11 AM  

asmodeus224: Chief Superintendent Lookout: Had a guy at work try to "set me straight" about modern day Libertarians.  "You should read up on <insert name of the new movement>.  These people are really on to something.  They aren't like the Libertarians of years ago.".  He was not happy when I waved my hand and said Libertarianism is a giant crock.

I like to just ask them to name a single functioning form of libertariansim that has ever existed ever at any point in time that would be a model to work toward.

Tends to cause a lot of consternation amongst the Very Intellectual Libertarian Class.


Somali warlords are libertarianism.  Libertarianism always devolves into the concentration of power in the hands of the few with the means to do so.  It always ends in might makes right.  That's just the natural progression of it.

Libertarianism is not functioning for most everyone else in Somalia, but it is functioning pretty well for the warlords.
 
2022-05-23 10:14:45 AM  
Eisenhower was right when he said that Libertarians "are few in number and their ideas are stupid."
 
2022-05-23 10:14:55 AM  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: Had a guy at work try to "set me straight" about modern day Libertarians.  "You should read up on <insert name of the new movement>.  These people are really on to something.  They aren't like the Libertarians of years ago.".  He was not happy when I waved my hand and said Libertarianism is a giant crock.


Libertarians are Republicans that like to smoke weed
 
2022-05-23 10:16:00 AM  

vudukungfu: Libertarians: I want to stick my dick anywhere. + You can stick your dick anywhere, unless it inconveniences me or makes me feel icky, in which case that'll be one of the edge cases where I suddenly support regulation.
Extreme right wingers: you can't stick your dick anywhere unless I say so. But I can stick my dick where I want.
Lefties: you can stick you dick where you want, it you do it in private, and have a signed consent form.



slight edit.
 
2022-05-23 10:17:42 AM  
Damageddude would find this article interesting. (He's not a Libertarian.)
 
2022-05-23 10:19:29 AM  
Libertarians! Those adorable knuckleheads!
 
2022-05-23 10:21:15 AM  
Libertarianism - the most attractive form of government when you live someplace where adults are already handling all the hard stuff.


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2022-05-23 10:21:22 AM  
As someone who worked for awhile in a nearby village called Minerva which I believe voted 100% for TFG, I'd like to know if I should be getting a kick out of this story or not.
 
2022-05-23 10:22:06 AM  

Fano: iheartscotch: My favorite part of any exercise Galting (Galtsmanship? it's fine because women tend to be too smart to Galt) is the inevitable precipitous failure of said venture.

Difficulty: a woman invented Galt


Technically true, but it was a woman who grew up during the Communist revolution in Russia and who was probably even more of a sociopath than Stalin.
 
2022-05-23 10:24:37 AM  
Here's a podcast about another libertarian failure:

https://www.npr.org/2019/10/18/771371881/episode-945-the-liberty-city
 
2022-05-23 10:24:48 AM  
Maybe the international community could lease an island in the middle of the ocean to libertarian micronation experiment on the condition that they live stream it Survivor style. Subscriptions would pay cleaning up the island between each failure and we would get a much needed lulz.
 
2022-05-23 10:25:44 AM  

Rapmaster2000: asmodeus224: Chief Superintendent Lookout: Had a guy at work try to "set me straight" about modern day Libertarians.  "You should read up on <insert name of the new movement>.  These people are really on to something.  They aren't like the Libertarians of years ago.".  He was not happy when I waved my hand and said Libertarianism is a giant crock.

I like to just ask them to name a single functioning form of libertariansim that has ever existed ever at any point in time that would be a model to work toward.

Tends to cause a lot of consternation amongst the Very Intellectual Libertarian Class.

Somali warlords are libertarianism.  Libertarianism always devolves into the concentration of power in the hands of the few with the means to do so.  It always ends in might makes right.  That's just the natural progression of it.

Libertarianism is not functioning for most everyone else in Somalia, but it is functioning pretty well for the warlords.


This. The inherent problem with this idea of anarchy in practice, or libertarianism, is two fold:

1) some people will not self-regulate responsibly, which is why you need a military to protect you and police forces to keep a basic sense of civility (see also: Sealand)
2) Case in point here, No miltary = congratulations, you're now being invaded.
 
2022-05-23 10:26:37 AM  

A_Flying_Toaster: Or as my friends and I call them, LOLbertarians.

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I prefer the older Gibbertarians
 
2022-05-23 10:26:48 AM  

Rapmaster2000: asmodeus224: Chief Superintendent Lookout: Had a guy at work try to "set me straight" about modern day Libertarians.  "You should read up on <insert name of the new movement>.  These people are really on to something.  They aren't like the Libertarians of years ago.".  He was not happy when I waved my hand and said Libertarianism is a giant crock.

I like to just ask them to name a single functioning form of libertariansim that has ever existed ever at any point in time that would be a model to work toward.

Tends to cause a lot of consternation amongst the Very Intellectual Libertarian Class.

Somali warlords are libertarianism.  Libertarianism always devolves into the concentration of power in the hands of the few with the means to do so.  It always ends in might makes right.  That's just the natural progression of it.

Libertarianism is not functioning for most everyone else in Somalia, but it is functioning pretty well for the warlords.


This reminds me of the time Chris Kluwe and Gavin McInnes appeared on National Geographic's "Explorer" TV show to discuss manhood. McInnes also asserted the "might makes right" philosophy, to which Chris told Gavin that if he believed that, to throw his coffee cup at Chris's head and see what happens. What followed was a brief, uncomfortable silence before the show went on.
 
2022-05-23 10:27:51 AM  

anfrind: Eisenhower was right when he said that Libertarians "are few in number and their ideas are stupid."


Objectivism is autism, expressed as an existential philosophy.
Libertarianism is autism, expressed as a political philosophy.
 
2022-05-23 10:28:39 AM  
Somalia, the Libertarian Paradise! (PublicServiceAdmin)
Youtube 8Ul-Efi1Xys
 
2022-05-23 10:29:17 AM  
No pictures?

*google*

Aha! A first-hand account!!

A true record of the Minerva Reef saga of 1972 and the part played by the Tongan Shipping Company Vessel Olovaha

"...As this was an important royal occasion all were dressed in their best finery. Police and military in dress uniform, ministers of religion in their robes, nobles and cabinet ministers, and Suliano, in their best valas and ta'avalas. For the occasion even I had taken shoes and socks, long trousers and a tie. The ships life boats were swung out, we scrambled aboard, and set off. Then there came a problem. On reaching the edge of the coral it was discovered that Olovaha's boats drew to much water to be able to cross the reef, and we still had about 100 yards to go to reach our destination. It was over the side we all went in all our finery to wade ashore at times in chest deep water. What a sight we made on reaching the island.

"And so the ceremony began. A member of the defense force, with hand held radio, coordinated what was taking place on the island with the activities onboard Olovaha. Hymns were sung and prayers were prayed. The proclamation was read. Police and military stood stiffly to attention. A soldier knelt before a minister of the church with the neatly folded flag on his outstretched arms for it to be blessed. A bugle sounded, and to the strains of the national anthem coming across the water from the ship, the red and white ensign of Tonga was slowly hoisted. This was followed by the salute, fired from 'Olovaha's guns'. Throughout all of this we all stood, dripping wet in our finery..."
 
2022-05-23 10:29:22 AM  

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Yes, FBI?
 
2022-05-23 10:31:19 AM  

Rindred: This reminds me of the time Chris Kluwe and Gavin McInnes appeared on National Geographic's "Explorer" TV show to discuss manhood. McInnes also asserted the "might makes right" philosophy, to which Chris told Gavin that if he believed that, to throw his coffee cup at Chris's head and see what happens. What followed was a brief, uncomfortable silence before the show went on.


I surprised he didn't grab the cup of coffee and try to shove it up his own ass.
 
2022-05-23 10:31:22 AM  

Fano: iheartscotch: My favorite part of any exercise Galting (Galtsmanship? it's fine because women tend to be too smart to Galt) is the inevitable precipitous failure of said venture.

Difficulty: a woman invented Galt


And she and the LP hated each other.
 
2022-05-23 10:32:51 AM  

Rindred: Rapmaster2000: asmodeus224: Chief Superintendent Lookout: Had a guy at work try to "set me straight" about modern day Libertarians.  "You should read up on <insert name of the new movement>.  These people are really on to something.  They aren't like the Libertarians of years ago.".  He was not happy when I waved my hand and said Libertarianism is a giant crock.

I like to just ask them to name a single functioning form of libertariansim that has ever existed ever at any point in time that would be a model to work toward.

Tends to cause a lot of consternation amongst the Very Intellectual Libertarian Class.

Somali warlords are libertarianism.  Libertarianism always devolves into the concentration of power in the hands of the few with the means to do so.  It always ends in might makes right.  That's just the natural progression of it.

Libertarianism is not functioning for most everyone else in Somalia, but it is functioning pretty well for the warlords.

This reminds me of the time Chris Kluwe and Gavin McInnes appeared on National Geographic's "Explorer" TV show to discuss manhood. McInnes also asserted the "might makes right" philosophy, to which Chris told Gavin that if he believed that, to throw his coffee cup at Chris's head and see what happens. What followed was a brief, uncomfortable silence before the show went on.


And then Gavin shoved a dildo up his own ass to own the libs.

And then he ate a bowl of cheerios and piss to win Gawker's 2010 Hipster of the Decade Award (yes, this actually happened).

And then Joe Rogan related that the Proud Boys are actually a hilarious ironic joke by Gavin so it's your fault for not seeing the ironic humor of a pack of emotionally stunted dropouts kicking your head in.
 
2022-05-23 10:34:01 AM  

anfrind: Fano: iheartscotch: My favorite part of any exercise Galting (Galtsmanship? it's fine because women tend to be too smart to Galt) is the inevitable precipitous failure of said venture.

Difficulty: a woman invented Galt

Technically true, but it was a woman who grew up during the Communist revolution in Russia and who was probably even more of a sociopath than Stalin.


She wrote about the girl-boners she got for serial killers
 
2022-05-23 10:34:24 AM  

Somaticasual: Rapmaster2000: asmodeus224: Chief Superintendent Lookout: Had a guy at work try to "set me straight" about modern day Libertarians.  "You should read up on <insert name of the new movement>.  These people are really on to something.  They aren't like the Libertarians of years ago.".  He was not happy when I waved my hand and said Libertarianism is a giant crock.

I like to just ask them to name a single functioning form of libertariansim that has ever existed ever at any point in time that would be a model to work toward.

Tends to cause a lot of consternation amongst the Very Intellectual Libertarian Class.

Somali warlords are libertarianism.  Libertarianism always devolves into the concentration of power in the hands of the few with the means to do so.  It always ends in might makes right.  That's just the natural progression of it.

Libertarianism is not functioning for most everyone else in Somalia, but it is functioning pretty well for the warlords.

This. The inherent problem with this idea of anarchy in practice, or libertarianism, is two fold:

1) some people will not self-regulate responsibly, which is why you need a military to protect you and police forces to keep a basic sense of civility (see also: Sealand)
2) Case in point here, No miltary = congratulations, you're now being invaded.


In practice, libertarianism only attracts those who won't self-regulate responsibly.
 
2022-05-23 10:37:36 AM  

Rindred: ...Gavin McInnes appeared on National Geographic's "Explorer" TV show to discuss manhood....


/ Attenborough voice

And here we witness a representative of the species Loud Right-Winged Jackass, performing its self-mating ritual...

/ Attenborough voice

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2022-05-23 10:37:44 AM  
It's only "your" land and "your" stuff if you have the means to defend it from anyone willing to take it.
 
2022-05-23 10:39:36 AM  

anfrind: Eisenhower was right when he said that Libertarians "are few in number and their ideas are stupid."


Eisenhower would be assassinated by today's Republicans.
 
2022-05-23 10:41:49 AM  
Once upon a time, a wealthy man set out to establish his own country. He found a shallow reef over which the waters of a vast ocean had lapped since time immemorial. He hired a company to dredge the ocean floor and deposit the sand on the reef. An island would be born, upon which the man had a concrete platform built, a flag planted, and the birth of the Republic of Minerva declared.

This guy did it better:
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2022-05-23 10:42:05 AM  
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2022-05-23 10:43:06 AM  

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Nothing new here.

This is what Americans have always done.

This is also why Texans are assholes.


S.M. Stirling borrowed that guy's name for an all-around asshole in the Island In The Sea Of Time series.
 
2022-05-23 10:45:19 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Somaticasual: Rapmaster2000: asmodeus224: Chief Superintendent Lookout: Had a guy at work try to "set me straight" about modern day Libertarians.  "You should read up on <insert name of the new movement>.  These people are really on to something.  They aren't like the Libertarians of years ago.".  He was not happy when I waved my hand and said Libertarianism is a giant crock.

I like to just ask them to name a single functioning form of libertariansim that has ever existed ever at any point in time that would be a model to work toward.

Tends to cause a lot of consternation amongst the Very Intellectual Libertarian Class.

Somali warlords are libertarianism.  Libertarianism always devolves into the concentration of power in the hands of the few with the means to do so.  It always ends in might makes right.  That's just the natural progression of it.

Libertarianism is not functioning for most everyone else in Somalia, but it is functioning pretty well for the warlords.

This. The inherent problem with this idea of anarchy in practice, or libertarianism, is two fold:

1) some people will not self-regulate responsibly, which is why you need a military to protect you and police forces to keep a basic sense of civility (see also: Sealand)
2) Case in point here, No miltary = congratulations, you're now being invaded.

In practice, libertarianism only attracts those who won't self-regulate responsibly.


Pretty much. It's like that Pen Gillette comment about how he commits all the rapes and murders that he wants: 0. If the behaviour you want to engage in is outside the moral and legal pale, then you're going to be in favour of any reasoning, however specious, that enables you to engage in it.

During my graduate work in philosophy I couldn't help notice a similar thing in philosophers, in the sense that those arguing for moral subjectivity or relativity had a distinctive inclination.
 
2022-05-23 10:45:43 AM  

anuran: anfrind: Fano: iheartscotch: My favorite part of any exercise Galting (Galtsmanship? it's fine because women tend to be too smart to Galt) is the inevitable precipitous failure of said venture.

Difficulty: a woman invented Galt

Technically true, but it was a woman who grew up during the Communist revolution in Russia and who was probably even more of a sociopath than Stalin.

She wrote about the girl-boners she got for serial killers


Now I'm wondering if Stalin felt any sexual gratification when he murdered one of his political opponents...

/thanks, I hate it
 
2022-05-23 10:48:09 AM  

anuran: anfrind: Fano: iheartscotch: My favorite part of any exercise Galting (Galtsmanship? it's fine because women tend to be too smart to Galt) is the inevitable precipitous failure of said venture.

Difficulty: a woman invented Galt

Technically true, but it was a woman who grew up during the Communist revolution in Russia and who was probably even more of a sociopath than Stalin.

She wrote about the girl-boners she got for serial killers


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2022-05-23 10:51:15 AM  

jso2897: anfrind: Eisenhower was right when he said that Libertarians "are few in number and their ideas are stupid."

Objectivism is autism, expressed as an existential philosophy.
Libertarianism is autism, expressed as a political philosophy.


please stop denigrating autistic people by comparing them to libertarian degenerates.
 
2022-05-23 10:54:46 AM  
I fully support libertarians being given an island that they can all go and live on and prove to the world they were right all along. I'll even contribute to the cost to purchase the island. Just gtfo.
 
2022-05-23 10:55:51 AM  
FTA: Upon launch on the Hudson, the vessel capsized and caught fire. The Atlanteans, undeterred, repaired the ship and sailed it to the Bahamas, where it promptly sank during heavy weather.

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2022-05-23 10:58:40 AM  

replacementcool: jso2897: anfrind: Eisenhower was right when he said that Libertarians "are few in number and their ideas are stupid."

Objectivism is autism, expressed as an existential philosophy.
Libertarianism is autism, expressed as a political philosophy.

please stop denigrating autistic people by comparing them to libertarian degenerates.


Don't blame me - they need to stop calling their personality disorders a political opinion.
 
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