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2022-05-23 7:46:09 AM  
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2022-05-23 8:11:01 AM  
After women abandoned corsets, they had to be skinny and lithe on their own

Ahhh, liberation!
 
2022-05-23 8:36:08 AM  

educated: After women abandoned corsets, they had to be skinny and lithe on their own

Ahhh, liberation!


Next thing you know they'll be wantin' to vote and such - where does it stop?
 
2022-05-23 10:02:50 AM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: educated: After women abandoned corsets, they had to be skinny and lithe on their own

Ahhh, liberation!

Next thing you know they'll be wantin' to vote and such - where does it stop?


At their uterus and ovaries, apparently.

(._.)
 
2022-05-23 10:13:56 AM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: educated: After women abandoned corsets, they had to be skinny and lithe on their own

Ahhh, liberation!

Next thing you know they'll be wantin' to vote and such - where does it stop?


The supreme court is working on it
 
2022-05-23 10:15:54 AM  
Anyways this eating disorder "diet" sounds like some NXIVM bullshiat.
 
2022-05-23 10:27:41 AM  
Scientific consensus on it yet? No, just a blogger quoting one dietician on TikTok? Neat.
 
2022-05-23 10:28:06 AM  

educated: Some Junkie Cosmonaut: educated: After women abandoned corsets, they had to be skinny and lithe on their own

Ahhh, liberation!

Next thing you know they'll be wantin' to vote and such - where does it stop?

At their uterus and ovaries, apparently.

(._.)


Don't be silly - that's nonsense and nothing but

/it won't stop there
 
2022-05-23 11:10:28 AM  
Sigh, diets are so farking stupid.  Just eat real food, cooked from scratch, avoid too much sugar and you'll be fine.  I'm down 40 lbs from where I was 13 years ago, just by doing that...well, and getting a divorce from my sociopathic narcissist of an ex-wife.  Had to get rid of 130 lbs to drop that 40 myself. ;)
 
2022-05-23 11:18:17 AM  
I've found there's nothing wrong with going low calorie for a week or two to kick off a diet (quick wins on the scale can help provide positive reinforcement), but sustaining at such low levels over the long term is all but impossible.

1200 a day requires such careful counting and tracking that life itself becomes a chore, even if the hunger headaches and general weakness and malaise don't get you there first.
 
2022-05-23 11:19:23 AM  
Subby and the author sound fat.
 
2022-05-23 11:30:48 AM  

Shaggy_C: I've found there's nothing wrong with going low calorie for a week or two to kick off a diet (quick wins on the scale can help provide positive reinforcement), but sustaining at such low levels over the long term is all but impossible.

1200 a day requires such careful counting and tracking that life itself becomes a chore, even if the hunger headaches and general weakness and malaise don't get you there first.


as a general rule, I've found 100 calories per 10lbs of body weight is an effective way to lose weight.  I say this combined with daily exercise, but every few years i end up around 220, because  you know how it is... it gets hard to stay on track long term.  It generally takes a couple months of dedicated tracking of 2000 calories a day, then the weight will get back to hovering between 200-205.

I can't imagine functioning on 1200. even the difference between 1800-2000 is quite difficult.
 
2022-05-23 11:41:49 AM  

Shaggy_C: I've found there's nothing wrong with going low calorie for a week or two to kick off a diet (quick wins on the scale can help provide positive reinforcement), but sustaining at such low levels over the long term is all but impossible.

1200 a day requires such careful counting and tracking that life itself becomes a chore, even if the hunger headaches and general weakness and malaise don't get you there first.


Or you just eat like once a day - but that only works very well when you feel like hell.  Been there, done that, still do on a semi-regular basis when I feel like said hell, but there is no way I'm gonna recommend it.  I probably can sustain it better than most just outta being used to it off and on, but to be fair a lot of the hunger symptoms get lost in the pain/etc. until it starts getting out of hand.  Eventually hunger does power through even if you're not eating anything at all - I've found that after about 3 days of that my body will start yelling loud enough to get through the ouch etc

/sleep works the same way
//you start approaching that 3 day mark without any?
///shiat's gonna get a little weird
 
2022-05-23 11:44:32 AM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: shiat's gonna get a little weird


User name compels me to point out that's without chemical 'assistance.'  You can go longer like that, but mostly because shiat's already farking weird long before day 3
 
2022-05-23 11:44:43 AM  

Shaggy_C: 1200 a day requires such careful counting and tracking that life itself becomes a chore


Yeah, I have no idea how most people are supposed to actually tally calories like that, particularly if you're not eating pre-packaged food or if someone else cooks for you in your household.

(I've had okay results with just intuitively eating 2/3 to 3/4 as much as I actually want. And, when it comes to tasty things that you want but generally shouldn't eat, getting used to gently telling yourself "not today" rather than "no, never again.")
 
2022-05-23 12:01:50 PM  
I've tried a few methods for 3-4ish months each just to experiment without (hopefully) long term negative effects, but without any real need, like needing large amounts of weight loss or health related like diabetes or anything, just to supplement general workouts.  While they all worked to some degree for one reason or another, I found that for me by far the simplest and most effective was just limiting sugar intake of all kinds but especially processed sugars; juice/pop, snacks, most processed foods, even normal foods naturally high in sugar like carrots.  Didn't even have to worry about calorie counting, or carb-to-protein ratio, and could eat almost as much as I wanted so long as I just kept anything with sugar to a minimum.

/am at a height where 15 lbs makes a visible difference
 
2022-05-23 12:39:21 PM  
I find the brown bag diet works well.

Cook your own food from meat and veggies, and bring your leftovers to work for lunch.  You will avoid the majority of the world's junk food that way.

Unless you discover baking or deep frying at home.  Then things can go sideways real quick.
 
2022-05-23 1:31:30 PM  
I drink more than 1200 calories a day in beer. But I do just eat one meal, usually around 8pm, and it's typically low carb. I sort of wanted to have visible abs for the upcoming vacay, but I just can't ditch the beer.
 
2022-05-23 1:43:41 PM  

majestic: I drink more than 1200 calories a day in beer. But I do just eat one meal, usually around 8pm, and it's typically low carb. I sort of wanted to have visible abs for the upcoming vacay, but I just can't ditch the beer.


Huh that's been my diet for years.

Always have visible abs, but I work labor intensive jobs.
 
2022-05-23 1:48:22 PM  

Shaggy_C: I've found there's nothing wrong with going low calorie for a week or two to kick off a diet (quick wins on the scale can help provide positive reinforcement), but sustaining at such low levels over the long term is all but impossible.

1200 a day requires such careful counting and tracking that life itself becomes a chore, even if the hunger headaches and general weakness and malaise don't get you there first.


.... something more like 1600 is probably more appropriate for most of us.  1200 is subsistence.

I need to get back to do this, because i've packed on a whole farkton of weight, and i feel like garbage.
Definitely need to get back to making sure i'm under 2k every day.
 
2022-05-23 2:35:50 PM  

ekdikeo4: Shaggy_C: I've found there's nothing wrong with going low calorie for a week or two to kick off a diet (quick wins on the scale can help provide positive reinforcement), but sustaining at such low levels over the long term is all but impossible.

1200 a day requires such careful counting and tracking that life itself becomes a chore, even if the hunger headaches and general weakness and malaise don't get you there first.

.... something more like 1600 is probably more appropriate for most of us.  1200 is subsistence.

I need to get back to do this, because i've packed on a whole farkton of weight, and i feel like garbage.
Definitely need to get back to making sure i'm under 2k every day.


I went on a "diet" a few weeks back, mostly due to my blood pressure starting to get high (yes, I'm seeing a doctor for it). While I'm eating a good bit less than I was, I mostly just cut out a LOT of salt and sugar, which meant getting rid of most processed foods (some aren't as terrible, read the labels) and cooking for myself again. Just cutting the sodium has been effective, since I'm retaining a lot less water and while the rate of weight loss is unsustainable, I have peed my way to my lowest weight since the first time I went to college.
 
2022-05-23 3:13:38 PM  

Martian_Astronomer: (I've had okay results with just intuitively eating 2/3 to 3/4 as much as I actually want. And, when it comes to tasty things that you want but generally shouldn't eat, getting used to gently telling yourself "not today" rather than "no, never again.")


100%. I was calorie counting earlier in the year but ultimately gave up on it because it was too much work, especially as my family can't handle meal planning ahead of time. Putting yourself through that misery just isn't feasible unless you're single and very regimented.

ekdikeo4: .... something more like 1600 is probably more appropriate for most of us. 1200 is subsistence.

I need to get back to do this, because i've packed on a whole farkton of weight, and i feel like garbage.
Definitely need to get back to making sure i'm under 2k every day.


Sort of the like the Freshman 15, I call it the "Covid 19...pounds."

What's been working for me has been generally cutting back (so not having that second helping or keeping it to 2 beers on a Friday night instead of 4) and a significant uptick in exercise. I got into Zwift earlier this year and for the first time I actually enjoy my treadmill and bike time as opposed to just going through the motions. I guess having competition is all I needed.

Down 20lbs since January, need to drop about 10 more and I'll be back to where I was mid-2019.
 
2022-05-23 3:21:20 PM  
Anything under 1300 calories is not going to be good for anyone. You start getting vitamin deficiencies and what not. 1700 calories a day with beer and ice cream going over to 2000 calories a day about once or twice a month. Sedentary lifestyle do a little stretching and walking. Lost 15 lbs in 4 months. Once I hit goal weight, around 200 days from now, if I stay under 2000 calories a day and walk 6 miles a week I should be able to maintain my goal weight easily. Actually in the worst physical shape of my life but my BP is fantastic. I get winded just......doing this.
Oh well. Some people age gracefully, others get a frying pan to the face and a flat ass.
 
2022-05-23 3:32:25 PM  
Starving worked for me. Eating under 1000 calories per day for several weeks and walking 10 miles a day made me very thin.

I was also very poor and severely depressed, but I looked pretty good.
 
2022-05-23 4:29:18 PM  
A couple years back a personal trainer put me on a diet that did get rid of a lot of body fat but was not at all sustainable: limit of 1800 calories a day, with a max of 20% of those calories from fat and at least 40% from protein.....while also primarily lifting weights without cardio.

I was absolutely miserable on it despite the great results.

it was also very expensive, and i gave it up soon after I lost my job

The previous trainer I tried to work with pushed the idea of a 1400 calorie a day diet....he was a fatty like me so I was mystified (and switched trainers)
 
2022-05-23 5:07:46 PM  
I have lost 30lbs by primarily eating less. I also quit drinking. I'm significantly cutting down on carbs too. Sure, I'm poor and don't go grocery shopping very often, nor can I afford alcohol, but it worked!
 
2022-05-23 5:13:51 PM  
Ancel Keyes showed that starvation, the process where you get just a little food each day, sometimes metered out in little meals, is worse than fasting. Especially if your source is a carbohydrate but not vitamin C, which gets consumed in the metabolic process.
 
2022-05-23 5:16:33 PM  

godiluvbeer: I have lost 30lbs by primarily eating less. I also quit drinking. I'm significantly cutting down on carbs too. Sure, I'm poor and don't go grocery shopping very often, nor can I afford alcohol, but it worked!


Gonna have to change your username.
I'm sorry. Hope things pick up for you.
 
2022-05-24 6:43:18 AM  
On the one hand, starving yourself to lose weight is a bad idea.  It'll eventually fail in the long run because it's not the kind of thing that can be maintained.  On the other hand, we've been overweight as a country for so long that, with 70% of the adult population currently overweight-to-obese, most people pretty clearly have no idea how much food they should be eating (or they simply don't care).  Since the linked article is primarily about women, let's look at the average healthy woman.

In the US, she's 5'4", and with a minimum healthy weight of 110 and a max of 140, that averages out to 125 pounds.  According to the BMR calculator I used (it  defaulted to an age of 25), she needs 1297 calories per day just to maintain her bodily functions (if you change it to a typical middle age of 40, she only needs 1222 calories per day).  With a sedentary lifestyle (which is the typical American), that average healthy 25 year old woman requires 1556 calories per day to maintain her weight.

At 1200 calories per day, a 350 calorie per day deficit would result in a very slow weight loss, which she pretty clearly doesn't need to do.  But would it be considered starvation?
 
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