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2022-05-23 10:42:20 PM  
There has been over 1200 of these cases ready to go, I've read. The real number is possibly worse
 
2022-05-23 10:45:08 PM  
Life for a 21 year old in a shiatty situation sucks, I think they should have obligated him to take care of the widow for the rest if her life
 
2022-05-23 10:57:03 PM  

WillofJ2: Life for a 21 year old in a shiatty situation sucks, I think they should have obligated him to take care of the widow for the rest if her life


♫ Bow chicka wow wow...
 
2022-05-23 11:06:37 PM  
*Bang* "Defendant is guilty. Now for sentence. Normally, would be life in prison or firing squad. This time, President Zelinskiy wants to show more leniency. Order is to send all criminals back to Mother Russia with his compliments."

Prisoner: "No! No! Please, execute me! I'd rather die!"
 
2022-05-23 11:10:44 PM  
Well the alternative was being executed for refusing orders. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve life in prison because he clearly does just that expecting someone to chose death simply because it's the moral thing to do is an unreasonable expectation.

Russian soldier should be locked up. Russian officers should be publicly executed like the nazi officers were
 
2022-05-23 11:21:01 PM  

Warlordtrooper: Well the alternative was being executed for refusing orders.


He could have tried shooting the guy giving the orders.
 
2022-05-23 11:27:12 PM  
FTFA: Mary Ellen O'Connell, an expert on international law at the University of Notre Dame, said that putting Shishimarin on trial could prove "extremely detrimental to Ukrainian soldiers in the hands of Russia." She said Russia may decide to hold "show trials" of Ukrainians to boost the morale of its own soldiers and spread disinformation.
"Maybe it would have happened without the Ukrainians beginning trials," O'Connell said. "But the timing suggests that the Ukrainians should have held back and perhaps still should, so that the Russians can't say, 'We're just doing to their soldiers what they did to ours.'"


Gee, "We should appease the Russians because maybe it'll work in the short term, though definitely not the long."  Fairly sure there are no good answers, but are you sure that's the best available O'Connell?
 
2022-05-23 11:31:23 PM  

Warlordtrooper: Well the alternative was being executed for refusing orders.


Alternative alternative: "Oops, somehow I keep missing and now I'm out of ammo. Crappy Russian-made guns!"
 
2022-05-23 11:50:56 PM  
And in future news, Russian war criminal dead after having multiple accidents back to back.
The bailiff could push him down every staircase from the courthouse to the prison and get a medal for it.
 
2022-05-24 12:06:48 AM  
Easy to believe that many other Russians involved in the crimes were given sunflower seeds and never made ti to custody.
 
2022-05-24 12:15:03 AM  

stoli n coke: And in future news, Russian war criminal dead after having multiple accidents back to back.
The bailiff could push him down every staircase from the courthouse to the prison and get a medal for it.


It is by far in Ukraine's best interest to treat their Russian captives VERY well, if for no other reason to not give Russia any more "examples" about how "Ukraine is run by Nazi's and we're just there to liberate the Ukrainian people"
 
2022-05-24 12:52:25 AM  

Chromium_One: FTFA: Mary Ellen O'Connell, an expert on international law at the University of Notre Dame, said that putting Shishimarin on trial could prove "extremely detrimental to Ukrainian soldiers in the hands of Russia." She said Russia may decide to hold "show trials" of Ukrainians to boost the morale of its own soldiers and spread disinformation.
"Maybe it would have happened without the Ukrainians beginning trials," O'Connell said. "But the timing suggests that the Ukrainians should have held back and perhaps still should, so that the Russians can't say, 'We're just doing to their soldiers what they did to ours.'"

Gee, "We should appease the Russians because maybe it'll work in the short term, though definitely not the long."  Fairly sure there are no good answers, but are you sure that's the best available O'Connell?


The Russian show trials are happening regardless of what Ukraine did or will do. The official justification Russia went in with was "De-nazification" so they are certainly going to dress Ukrainian prisoners as Nazis, put them on camera, and see how it plays with a Russian audience. I've already seen some goddamn pathetic Russian agitprop with Nazi memorabilia set pieces masquerading as Ukrainian captured goods. It will be like that but with human beings who have been starved, beaten, and tortured to the point they will admit to anything to make it stop. The soldiers they captured from the steel mill are probably first on deck.

No sense of norms, fairness, or rules of war plays into Russian calculations. The only thing staying their hand from even greater atrocities is Putin's grasp on the consequences. As we seen so far, that grip is tenuous.

The war crimes trials have several key demographics. They strengthen the resolve of the domestic audience and the coalition of countries sending Ukraine weapons and supplies. They weaken the position of potentially persuadable counties still doing business with Russia e.g. India. Finally, if any news or images of this trial manages to get behind enemy lines, it give any Russian soldier with a shred of conscience- or caution- yet another reason to malinger, surrender, or go AWOL.
 
2022-05-24 4:17:15 AM  

Excelsior: stoli n coke: And in future news, Russian war criminal dead after having multiple accidents back to back.
The bailiff could push him down every staircase from the courthouse to the prison and get a medal for it.

It is by far in Ukraine's best interest to treat their Russian captives VERY well, if for no other reason to not give Russia any more "examples" about how "Ukraine is run by Nazi's and we're just there to liberate the Ukrainian people"


He's not a POW anymore. He's been sentenced to life in prison. Ukraine owns him now.
 
2022-05-24 6:45:09 AM  

stoli n coke: Excelsior: stoli n coke: And in future news, Russian war criminal dead after having multiple accidents back to back.
The bailiff could push him down every staircase from the courthouse to the prison and get a medal for it.

It is by far in Ukraine's best interest to treat their Russian captives VERY well, if for no other reason to not give Russia any more "examples" about how "Ukraine is run by Nazi's and we're just there to liberate the Ukrainian people"

He's not a POW anymore. He's been sentenced to life in prison. Ukraine owns him now.


Still, if Ukraine treats their prisoners poorly, that could result in the west being less generous with providing weapons, Intel, or logistics - - not in Ukraine best interest.
 
2022-05-24 7:26:33 AM  
Babies man, Babies.
 
2022-05-24 8:37:44 AM  
Russian soldier has death sentence reduced to life in prison.
 
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