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2022-05-22 12:46:05 PM  
The difference between a cult and a religion is the number of members.
 
2022-05-22 12:57:19 PM  
I like to compare them to Sunni madrassas. Some of them are just fine. But some of them will convince you to strap on a suicide vest if you're not careful.
 
2022-05-22 1:17:58 PM  

aleister_greynight: The difference between a cult and a religion is the number of members.


I think plenty of people vew scientology a cult in spite of its size. Many sociologists consider the LDS church a cult. Being a cult has more to do with how insular the group is and the have in common certain behaviors that further remove there members from broader society in favor of the group.
Of course many more mainstream religions fit under that description than receive the label. I'm not a fan of any religions but not all fit the term cult no matter the size.
 
2022-05-22 1:30:06 PM  

hugadarn: aleister_greynight: The difference between a cult and a religion is the number of members.

I think plenty of people vew scientology a cult in spite of its size. Many sociologists consider the LDS church a cult. Being a cult has more to do with how insular the group is and the have in common certain behaviors that further remove there members from broader society in favor of the group.
Of course many more mainstream religions fit under that description than receive the label. I'm not a fan of any religions but not all fit the term cult no matter the size.


The BITE model is the best measuring tool out there of whether a religious community qualifies as a cult.

https://www.alittlebithuman.com/the-bite-model-of-cult-mind-control-explained/

JW, Scientology are definitely there.  LDS is on the edge of being there.  Other mainstream religions have the potential but don't strictly meet the criteria.
 
2022-05-22 1:30:13 PM  
The bigger the rockband setup for worship, the more culty.  If you got a light show and fog machines, 100% cult.  Just a stage and some locals limping through Hossanah with a slideshow, less culty.
 
2022-05-22 2:05:03 PM  

aleister_greynight: The difference between a cult and a religion is the number of members.


You see, in a cult, there if a charismatic leader who convinces a bunch of people that he has the answers to life's most important questions and that he is the key to their salvation.

In a religion, that guy is dead.
 
2022-05-22 2:16:23 PM  
Is there actually something new or interesting in TFA?  I don't think I need to read a 40 page Daily Beast article to find out that mega churches are culty.
 
2022-05-22 2:39:26 PM  
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2022-05-22 2:47:03 PM  

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Reasonable people want to tax churches and pastors.  I want them ground up and used as fertilizer to help feed the hungry children.
 
2022-05-22 6:05:23 PM  
Some?
 
2022-05-22 6:17:02 PM  
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2022-05-22 6:18:45 PM  
Yeah, but if they get the 500th year punched on their ecumenical card, they level up to religion.

I'm cheering for the snake handlers.
 
2022-05-22 6:21:03 PM  
Worshipping a human is the definition of a cult. Jesus was not God any more or less than the rest of us. I know one thing, if there is something beyond us they can't do anything worse than hallucinations in this realm, which is what Jesus had as a schizophrenic.
 
2022-05-22 6:22:34 PM  
Churches these days are either cults or tax dodging schemes to enrich a select few at the cost of the congregation.
 
2022-05-22 6:24:33 PM  

neongoats: Some?


Mega?
 
2022-05-22 6:25:37 PM  
Go big or go home.
 
2022-05-22 6:26:55 PM  
Do you believe in a thing that can't possibly be proven, like an imaginary all-powerful creator that who issues rules for eternal salvation? Yeah. You're in a cult.
 
2022-05-22 6:28:32 PM  

Hoban Washburne: You see, in a cult, there if a charismatic leader who convinces a bunch of people that he has the answers to life's most important questions and that he is the key to their salvation.


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2022-05-22 6:28:35 PM  

west.la.lawyer: The bigger the rockband setup for worship, the more culty.  If you got a light show and fog machines, 100% cult.  Just a stage and some locals limping through Hossanah with a slideshow, less culty.


This is anecdotal but I heard it on NPR a few months ago. One one person had a story I don't remember the show it was to be honest I caught it at the weekend but he was talking about heating and his family moved to a new town for a new job and they checked out various churches. And there was one that had the you know the big smoke machines and the big stage production and what have you and then there was this other smaller church and he decided and well basically the whole family decided that you know that big one wasn't for us. So, a few months later they're raising money for I can't remember what it was for I think it was for sending kids to camp or or getting them clothes or something for for the fall for the school year and section he went around to to the various churches. And it turns out that that big showy ass Church ended up getting more money and following up and actually caring and writing letters to the kids that they were helping and and I thought that was pretty interesting because it didn't seem on brand or on type. And this started a couple years ago and to this day even the kids at that show a church are involved in that charity which is good. I don't really have a point
 
2022-05-22 6:29:20 PM  
I guess I do have a point LG's Android talk to text really sucks
 
2022-05-22 6:29:23 PM  
Fiona Bruce comedy sketch featuring the Star Wars cast! - Dead Ringers - BBC
Youtube nX2KJxaGnNA
 
2022-05-22 6:30:27 PM  
If Megachurches Were Honest
Youtube Bqavq5pUC04
 
Pew
2022-05-22 6:35:30 PM  

aleister_greynight: The difference between a cult and a religion is the number of members.


Not all high-demand groups (aka cults) are religions. There are multi-leveling-marketing organizations that fit the BITE model, as do some communes and other groups organized around a charismatic leader.
 
2022-05-22 6:35:36 PM  
Some?
 
2022-05-22 6:36:02 PM  

Nimbull: Churches these days are either cults or tax dodging schemes to enrich a select few at the cost of the congregation.


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2022-05-22 6:36:54 PM  
Some? Some?!?!?

You mean "All".
 
2022-05-22 6:37:26 PM  

neongoats: Some?


No, tfa only mentions one.
 
2022-05-22 6:37:43 PM  
Genesis - Jesus He Knows Me (Official Music Video)
Youtube 2-rfCnW5VlE
 
2022-05-22 6:42:11 PM  

AstroParticle: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/2-rfCnW5VlE]


Really is one of my favorite Genesis songs, and achingly accurate, 31 years later.
 
2022-05-22 6:43:05 PM  

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: I like to compare them to Sunni madrassas. Some of them are just fine. But some of them will convince you to strap on a suicide vest if you're not careful.


And we send ends to off to shoot brown ppl
 
2022-05-22 6:47:19 PM  

aleister_greynight: The difference between a cult and a religion is the number of members.


The difference is a cult is a small, unpopular religion.  A religion is a large popular cult.
 
2022-05-22 6:47:33 PM  

hugadarn: aleister_greynight: The difference between a cult and a religion is the number of members.

I think plenty of people vew scientology a cult in spite of its size. Many sociologists consider the LDS church a cult. Being a cult has more to do with how insular the group is and the have in common certain behaviors that further remove there members from broader society in favor of the group.
Of course many more mainstream religions fit under that description than receive the label. I'm not a fan of any religions but not all fit the term cult no matter the size.


What ever,
society,
Is a farking cult.
Not a single society in history has made it legal and funded to opt out.
Cults do the same thing.  They don't let you leave.
 
2022-05-22 6:48:23 PM  

alienated: west.la.lawyer: The bigger the rockband setup for worship, the more culty.  If you got a light show and fog machines, 100% cult.  Just a stage and some locals limping through Hossanah with a slideshow, less culty.

This is anecdotal but I heard it on NPR a few months ago. One one person had a story I don't remember the show it was to be honest I caught it at the weekend but he was talking about heating and his family moved to a new town for a new job and they checked out various churches. And there was one that had the you know the big smoke machines and the big stage production and what have you and then there was this other smaller church and he decided and well basically the whole family decided that you know that big one wasn't for us. So, a few months later they're raising money for I can't remember what it was for I think it was for sending kids to camp or or getting them clothes or something for for the fall for the school year and section he went around to to the various churches. And it turns out that that big showy ass Church ended up getting more money and following up and actually caring and writing letters to the kids that they were helping and and I thought that was pretty interesting because it didn't seem on brand or on type. And this started a couple years ago and to this day even the kids at that show a church are involved in that charity which is good. I don't really have a point


Can you smell toast?
 
2022-05-22 6:49:31 PM  

Hoban Washburne: aleister_greynight: The difference between a cult and a religion is the number of members.

You see, in a cult, there if a charismatic leader who convinces a bunch of people that he has the answers to life's most important questions and that he is the key to their salvation.

In a religion, that guy is dead.


But the pope claims to be the voice of God on 🌎
 
2022-05-22 6:50:26 PM  
Most churches are cults. If you're tax exempt and get tithes from your congregation... cult.

/Except, oddly, the Satanic Temple. Which is a grift fo' sho', but at least its trying to be the anti-cult to all the crazy bible-thumping Taliban wannabes out there.
 
2022-05-22 6:50:45 PM  
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2022-05-22 6:50:58 PM  
Culture is a cult
 
2022-05-22 6:51:28 PM  

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I don't disagree.

But. By this logic we should tax gangs and drug lords and clubs.
 
2022-05-22 6:53:41 PM  

Hoban Washburne: aleister_greynight: The difference between a cult and a religion is the number of members.

You see, in a cult, there if a charismatic leader who convinces a bunch of people that he has the answers to life's most important questions and that he is the key to their salvation.

In a religion, that guy is dead.


Bingo
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2022-05-22 6:53:57 PM  

waxbeans: teto85: [Fark user image image 707x704]

I don't disagree.

But. By this logic we should tax gangs and drug lords and clubs.


We do, technically.  Remember, Al Capone fell to the IRS, not the ATF
 
2022-05-22 6:54:53 PM  

kmgenesis23: Do you believe in a thing that can't possibly be proven, like an imaginary all-powerful creator that who issues rules for eternal salvation? Yeah. You're in a cult.


We can't prove what the constitution says. Wait. I agree America is in fact a cult. And, MAGA is an extrame off shoot.
 
2022-05-22 6:55:40 PM  
I dated a girl many years ago that went to a Christian church. I saw no harm in going with her. Pretty soon, I was told my ties were too loud - basic black preferred, I needed to spend more time after service socializing, and they recommended I start attending the monthly meeting for male members of the church. It was important to her that I get involved, so I petitioned to become a 'brother' to the church. They expected me to attend services on Sunday and Wednesday, 'donate' my time for special projects, tithe 10% (tax return required), etc, etc. I told them to kiss my ass. Lost the girlfriend, too. Creepy AF.
 
2022-05-22 6:56:26 PM  
Can we pivot this thread to cute cult girls, like we did the world goth day thread?  Is it possible? Help me out here everyone.
 
2022-05-22 6:57:08 PM  

Hey Nurse!: I dated a girl many years ago that went to a Christian church. I saw no harm in going with her. Pretty soon, I was told my ties were too loud - basic black preferred, I needed to spend more time after service socializing, and they recommended I start attending the monthly meeting for male members of the church. It was important to her that I get involved, so I petitioned to become a 'brother' to the church. They expected me to attend services on Sunday and Wednesday, 'donate' my time for special projects, tithe 10% (tax return required), etc, etc. I told them to kiss my ass. Lost the girlfriend, too. Creepy AF.


I wouldn't have even gotten past the tie thing. The idea of someone at a church coming up to me to police my clothing is just absolutely insane to me.
 
2022-05-22 6:57:32 PM  

west.la.lawyer: The bigger the rockband setup for worship, the more culty.  If you got a light show and fog machines, 100% cult.  Just a stage and some locals limping through Hossanah with a slideshow, less culty.


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2022-05-22 6:58:08 PM  

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Because their isolationist.
 
2022-05-22 6:59:02 PM  

i.r.id10t: waxbeans: teto85: [Fark user image image 707x704]

I don't disagree.

But. By this logic we should tax gangs and drug lords and clubs.

We do, technically.  Remember, Al Capone fell to the IRS, not the ATF


Definitely.

/
We should let criminals pay taxes.
 
2022-05-22 7:00:31 PM  

kudayta: teto85: [Fark user image 707x704]

Reasonable people want to tax churches and pastors.  I want them ground up and used as fertilizer to help feed the hungry children.


Do you want kuru? Because that's how you get kuru.
 
2022-05-22 7:02:30 PM  

NilartPax: Can we pivot this thread to cute cult girls, like we did the world goth day thread?  Is it possible? Help me out here everyone.


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2022-05-22 7:03:27 PM  

Hey Nurse!: I dated a girl many years ago that went to a Christian church. I saw no harm in going with her. Pretty soon, I was told my ties were too loud - basic black preferred, I needed to spend more time after service socializing, and they recommended I start attending the monthly meeting for male members of the church. It was important to her that I get involved, so I petitioned to become a 'brother' to the church. They expected me to attend services on Sunday and Wednesday, 'donate' my time for special projects, tithe 10% (tax return required), etc, etc. I told them to kiss my ass. Lost the girlfriend, too. Creepy AF.


Bullet dodged.
 
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