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(BBC-US)   The death of "mandatory fun" in the office. But if I don't have some cake soon, I might die   (bbc.com) divider line
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2022-05-22 10:56:33 AM  
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2022-05-22 11:01:21 AM  
The fight, and attempted guilt trip, I had to go through to get my boss to stop doing birthday party shiat for me was ridiculous.

Of course I was the only one, nobody else wanted to be on the wrong side of the boss
 
2022-05-22 11:05:00 AM  
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2022-05-22 11:40:01 AM  
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2022-05-22 11:48:25 AM  
At a prior high-tech startup job some years ago, another marketing manager and I hated going to the all-hands drinks and social fest every late Thursday afternoon (work week here is Sun-Thurs). So we ducked out early.

After a few weeks, the office manager gave us the FYI that both the CEO and the head of marketing did not like that we were never there. (The office manager liked us.)

To this day, I think: "Seriously?"
 
2022-05-22 11:56:19 AM  
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2022-05-22 11:59:28 AM  
I love how the article rambles on and on and then concludes with "we need to keep doing it anyway".  I think a corporate AI bot wrote this.
 
2022-05-22 12:15:12 PM  
 
2022-05-22 12:15:40 PM  
Mid 90s, I taught at a community college with a very toxic work environment. The administration didn't even try to hide their contempt for faculty, and vice-versa (and I was a union negotiator). So at a mandatory all-hands meeting our HR dweeb (of course) decides that what we needed to boost morale was to do the Macarena. There was no way out. Impossible to bolt for the door without being seen. Non-participants were being called out by name. That was the moment I started to think that my career would not be at this place. I stayed one more year, long enough to be vested in the pension system (thank you Oregon taxpayers).

/CSB
 
2022-05-22 12:25:28 PM  
The company I work for went fully remote for the pandemic and closed half their offices between March 2020 and now. My entire team is now permanently remote, including our boss. This was nothing new, we're highly specialized within the company and have been scattered all over the world for years, but we all had offices to go to if we wanted.

Previously, we had the budget to fly all of us to a single location, rent an airbnb mansion, and hang out for a few days. That was cool.
We don't have that budget anymore.

Now we have zoom calls a couple times a year where our lunches are individually expensed and we just hang out.

It's nice to see people every so often but I will never go back to working in an office for reasons just like this - mandatory happy hours, birthday celebrations, office politics, etc. Nope.
 
2022-05-22 12:36:39 PM  
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2022-05-22 1:32:46 PM  
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2022-05-22 1:48:49 PM  
I was at a dot-com and got chastised for not playing foosball more.  I wasn't even an FTE.  I was a contractor.  I thought, "You literally want to pay me to play foosball?  I'm terrible at foosball!"
 
2022-05-22 2:52:34 PM  
Yeah, it's a part of office feudalism that puts supposed providers in a position to lord over the serfs, saying "look how well I know you, and provide for you and your squalid sort".
 
2022-05-22 2:54:57 PM  
My new-ish job is scheduling a team-building off-site. You want to build team morale? Don't expose me to Covid.
 
2022-05-22 3:14:40 PM  
F*ck that noise.

Anything your employer requires you to do (even when packaged as a "fun" activity) is just work by another name and should be compensated as extra work.
 
2022-05-22 3:15:20 PM  

Bslim: Anything your employer requires you to do (even when packaged as a "fun" activity) is just work by another name and should be compensated as extra work.


Yeah, but when you're salaried...
 
2022-05-22 3:19:19 PM  

ImpendingCynic: My new-ish job is scheduling a team-building off-site. You want to build team morale? Don't expose me to Covid.


I would never tell my boss or coworkers this at my new job (which I really need), but I will always hold a grudge against them.

Why? At the height of the Omicron variant, no one wore a mask (except for me) at our small, open plan startup office. That just shows that they had no respect for anyone's health.
 
2022-05-22 3:19:52 PM  

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2022-05-22 3:21:39 PM  

bostonguy: ImpendingCynic: My new-ish job is scheduling a team-building off-site. You want to build team morale? Don't expose me to Covid.

I would never tell my boss or coworkers this at my new job (which I really need), but I will always hold a grudge against them.

Why? At the height of the Omicron variant, no one wore a mask (except for me) at our small, open plan startup office. That just shows that they had no respect for anyone's health.


And everyone got sick during that variant. (Except for me -- I finally got it much later.)
 
2022-05-22 3:29:50 PM  

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2022-05-22 3:36:54 PM  
I buy my own cake and eat it myself now


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2022-05-22 3:41:16 PM  
"We engage* our employees"

* Annoy the Fark out of in order to give you a feel good sound bite
 
2022-05-22 3:52:06 PM  
The Monday after the The Office where the boss decides the way to boost morale is to give the birthday person a muffin, have everyone sing happy birthday and get a hug from the boss, my manager implemented the exact same policies.   It went over even worse than in the show.
 
2022-05-22 3:54:47 PM  
Ever notice that the people who are really into outside work events are the worst at their actual jobs while having the easiest, hardest to screw up "responsibilities"?
 
2022-05-22 3:59:30 PM  
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2022-05-22 4:02:19 PM  

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TBH,  I think I'd really like the melon party!
 
2022-05-22 4:06:27 PM  
The premise of the article, that employers and supervisors must make the work place "fun," is false and counterproductive. I am an adult. I do not work to have fun. I don't want to attend the company party. I despise being expected to waste money on special events like the office Halloween costume contest and holiday cubicle decorating competition. I  don't want cake shoved at me everyday. I don't want to play games in the office. I want to be paid. Then, I want plenty of time to spend that money on my family.

Give me real work to do. Stay out of my way while I work my butt off for you. Pay me. Let me go home.
 
2022-05-22 4:21:03 PM  

Gubbo: The fight, and attempted guilt trip, I had to go through to get my boss to stop doing birthday party shiat for me was ridiculous.

Of course I was the only one, nobody else wanted to be on the wrong side of the boss


I had a lawyer friend send a letter to HR demanding my personal info be kept private. Not a single person in the office noticed in 5 years. I felt like an ass going straight to lawyering, but it was worth it.
 
2022-05-22 4:29:58 PM  
How to raise employee morale: Give them more money.
How not to raise employee morale: Literally anything else.
 
2022-05-22 4:30:32 PM  

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2022-05-22 4:41:33 PM  
I had a toxic job that had mandatory happy hour, of course it was a high end bar so your bill would be $50 before tips. They had video games, pool tables, free soda, et al.  But it was a consulting firm that taught car dealers to "maximize profits " of dealers. So teaching them how to better rip folks off. Oh yea, Sr management, they were all formally owned car dealerships, they were all either fired or ran the dealership out of business.
 
2022-05-22 4:43:29 PM  
Wine and whine over Zoom with coworkers sounds like a good way to hand the company reasons to fire me.
 
2022-05-22 4:43:47 PM  
Otherwise I own as "my social life". It will not be missed.
 
2022-05-22 4:46:23 PM  
In 38 years in various high-tech companies, there was exactly one attempt at mandatory fun - paintball*.  I made it clear from the beginning that I would not be playing.

Note: I do not count dinner at a good restaurant in this category.  Or donuts at a staff meeting.

*Watch Good Omens for how people really feel about paintball.
 
2022-05-22 4:55:55 PM  

foo monkey: I was at a dot-com and got chastised for not playing foosball more.  I wasn't even an FTE.  I was a contractor.  I thought, "You literally want to pay me to play foosball?  I'm terrible at foosball!"


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2022-05-22 5:00:57 PM  
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2022-05-22 5:03:29 PM  
I came up with a sure-fire way to get out of all extrawork activities years ago.

"Hey, remember we are having [offsite event] Thursday after work!"

"Sorry, I have church group that night."

Works every time. And the larger the company, the more they are unwilling to get even a whiff of a religious-based HR complaint.
 
2022-05-22 5:08:51 PM  
I'm an outlier in this. We have non-mandatory events, holiday parties, and on-site barbecues and they're quite nice, well attended, and appreciated.

I think a few things help with that. Everyone who I work with I are pretty bright without many toxic personalities, the company spends the money to make it nice (I saw a 100K bar and food tab in the late '90s,) senior site leadership is expected to serve on the buffet line at the dinners, and, as previously mentioned, they're not mandatory, it's not even implied. What is stated to department heads is that they're expected to schedule to allow their team members to attend if they do, in fact, want to.
 
2022-05-22 5:30:24 PM  

Arkanaut: foo monkey: I was at a dot-com and got chastised for not playing foosball more.  I wasn't even an FTE.  I was a contractor.  I thought, "You literally want to pay me to play foosball?  I'm terrible at foosball!"

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2022-05-22 5:31:49 PM  
Nobody likes that crap. My company is always inviting us to these stupid outings. I'm never at any of them.
 
2022-05-22 5:40:37 PM  
I'm being a broken record here but chronic flatulence really does afford you a hall pass out of these office events.
You'll need to bust ass the first few times but you will be rewarded with a "not you, Henry" buy-out.
 
2022-05-22 5:41:09 PM  
I worked at a place about a half mile from a Dairy Queen and anybody who was feeling down could declare an ice cream cake day, and there was no ceremony involved, you could just get a piece or not.

It worked out just fine for all involved.
 
2022-05-22 5:55:52 PM  
Last place I worked for had "team builds", which were basically field trips a couple time a year for salaried store-level management (about 7 of us and our boss). A few times we went out to eat at decent restaurant or go to a comedy club. Those were fine because we could drink. The last one I was involved in was a trip to Disneyland. While waiting in line for rides; our manager wanted us to discuss, in detail, which employees we should fire and what disciplinary steps we've taken so far. It was the most awkward experience of my professional career. That was one of the last straws to motivate me to find something new (new company and industry).
 
2022-05-22 5:55:55 PM  
I had a co-worker who had a good name for mandatory office fun - "Happy Hour at Gunpoint."
 
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