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2022-05-22 9:24:21 AM  
Capitalism?
 
2022-05-22 9:33:23 AM  
There are states winning that battle.  Article would have been a lot more eye-opening if they'd made real world comparisons.  The only other state I even see mentioned is MA which is absolutely not winning that battle.
 
2022-05-22 9:34:51 AM  

johnryan51: Capitalism?


Government over reach.  The free market, albeit unlicensed, is still providing products and services that the regulated market is strangling on.

If your supplier has been reliable, you'll stick with them.  The only people using the government suppliers are newbies to the market and don't know how to find street vendors.  They also don't know quality and have to rely on what they are told at point of sale.
 
2022-05-22 9:52:49 AM  
So much doom and gloom.  So much concern.

They claim their "best estimate" is that only 1/4 of the weed sold in CA is legal.  They provide no support for this estimate, so I'm going to guess it's straight from their asses.

Then they go into the costs, comparing taxes, costs of production and distribution, etc. to the "nothing" cost of illegal production.  Funny how they leave out the costs of lawyers, loss of property, and jail for the illegal producers.  They also don't bother to mention the good being done with the taxes collected, the improved safety to neighborhoods where drugs are no longer sold, or any of the other reasons weed was made legal.  It's all about getting the cheapest weed possible, in their minds.

It was about here that I stopped reading because the viewpoint was obvious.

Illegal is always cheaper.  There are still plenty of stills around cranking out moonshine, and people all over are trying their hands at home brewing.  Are we concerned because someone might brew and sell alcohol on their own (unlicensed)?  The DEA can always shut down the illegal grows, just like the ATF shuts down illegal stills.

Personally, I prefer to buy my weed from a licensed retail outlet.  Not because I'm happy about the taxes or price, but because there's no chance I'm going to jail for buying legal weed, and the money collected goes to programs I support.

It's not always about the money, sport.
 
2022-05-22 9:58:49 AM  

cherryl taggart: johnryan51: Capitalism?

Government over reach.  The free market, albeit unlicensed, is still providing products and services that the regulated market is strangling on.

If your supplier has been reliable, you'll stick with them.  The only people using the government suppliers are newbies to the market and don't know how to find street vendors. They also don't know quality and have to rely on what they are told at point of sale.


Oh, that is not even remotely true.  I knew and still know plenty of people I could buy illegal weed from, but I, and most of the people I know, prefer the store down the street.  It's easier to use, doesn't involve anything illegal, and the money goes to programs that need it.

And quality?  Are you kidding?  I've gotten plenty of dirt weed from illegal suppliers, but every oz of legal weed I buy has the analysis printed right there on the package.  The selection is far superior and I can get alternative forms if I wish.  The people relying on what they're told at POS are the idiots saving $50/oz buying whatever their supplier has.
 
2022-05-22 10:09:14 AM  
Well, pot shop around here is always packed whenever i go in, for what it's worth.
 
2022-05-22 10:29:27 AM  
Are the jails in California still overflowing with people arrested for weed? No? I call that progress.
 
2022-05-22 10:33:07 AM  
Because poison pill legislation
 
2022-05-22 10:39:15 AM  

unixpro: cherryl taggart: johnryan51: Capitalism?

Government over reach.  The free market, albeit unlicensed, is still providing products and services that the regulated market is strangling on.

If your supplier has been reliable, you'll stick with them.  The only people using the government suppliers are newbies to the market and don't know how to find street vendors. They also don't know quality and have to rely on what they are told at point of sale.

Oh, that is not even remotely true.  I knew and still know plenty of people I could buy illegal weed from, but I, and most of the people I know, prefer the store down the street.  It's easier to use, doesn't involve anything illegal, and the money goes to programs that need it.

And quality?  Are you kidding?  I've gotten plenty of dirt weed from illegal suppliers, but every oz of legal weed I buy has the analysis printed right there on the package.  The selection is far superior and I can get alternative forms if I wish.  The people relying on what they're told at POS are the idiots saving $50/oz buying whatever their supplier has.


Imagine saying that you're relying on what you're told by the legal shop with it's packaging but your dealer will tell you the gods honest truth.
 
2022-05-22 10:39:16 AM  
The exact same product for far less money and delivered by someone cool who often gives me free samples?

Dispensaries in Illinois are unnecessarily burdensome and creepy. The mean mugging off-duty pig guards don't help either. There's just no reason to go to a dispensary... except for cartridges. 

/purple mimosa for $140 an oz delivered in around 2 hrs with two free fruit loops cereal edibles to try out. They're $10 a pop if I want them next time
 
2022-05-22 10:40:01 AM  
They don't mention Delta 8 THC being marketed as "Diet Weed"?
It feels like we're being eased into full recreational, moms first.

I don't like it.


/bong rip
 
2022-05-22 10:41:53 AM  

unixpro: So much doom and gloom.  So much concern.
...

Personally, I prefer to buy my weed from a licensed retail outlet.  Not because I'm happy about the taxes or price, but because there's no chance I'm going to jail for buying legal weed, and the money collected goes to programs I support.


My brother lives in Washington and has friends that grow and sell. He says he prefers to get cannabis from a dispensary because it's open 9 a.m. - 9 p.m. He doesn't have to meet them in a parking lot and the variety that he can get is larger.  The 30% tax isn't enough to make him go back to the "old way."
 
2022-05-22 10:45:14 AM  

raerae1980: Well, pot shop around here is always packed whenever i go in, for what it's worth.


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2022-05-22 10:45:19 AM  

Giant Clown Shoe: The exact same product for far less money and delivered by someone cool who often gives me free samples?

Dispensaries in Illinois are unnecessarily burdensome and creepy. The mean mugging off-duty pig guards don't help either. There's just no reason to go to a dispensary... except for cartridges. 

/purple mimosa for $140 an oz delivered in around 2 hrs with two free fruit loops cereal edibles to try out. They're $10 a pop if I want them next time


Anyone else ever have a dealer give out free samples.
 
2022-05-22 11:00:02 AM  

unixpro: cherryl taggart: johnryan51: Capitalism?

Government over reach.  The free market, albeit unlicensed, is still providing products and services that the regulated market is strangling on.

If your supplier has been reliable, you'll stick with them.  The only people using the government suppliers are newbies to the market and don't know how to find street vendors. They also don't know quality and have to rely on what they are told at point of sale.

Oh, that is not even remotely true.  I knew and still know plenty of people I could buy illegal weed from, but I, and most of the people I know, prefer the store down the street.  It's easier to use, doesn't involve anything illegal, and the money goes to programs that need it.

And quality?  Are you kidding?  I've gotten plenty of dirt weed from illegal suppliers, but every oz of legal weed I buy has the analysis printed right there on the package.  The selection is far superior and I can get alternative forms if I wish.  The people relying on what they're told at POS are the idiots saving $50/oz buying whatever their supplier has.


Also look at Oregon where they gave EVERYONE a grow license(free enterprise) Families sold the farm to build grow ops, lost their ass, could not claim it as a business loss, and weed went to $2 a pound...

"Enough recreational cannabis sat on dispensary shelves, in warehouses and in processing plants this January to satisfy buyers for more than six years, according to a report from the Oregon Liquor Control Commission, the state agency that regulates recreational marijuana."
 
2022-05-22 11:06:04 AM  

lowlandr: unixpro: cherryl taggart: johnryan51: Capitalism?

Government over reach.  The free market, albeit unlicensed, is still providing products and services that the regulated market is strangling on.

If your supplier has been reliable, you'll stick with them.  The only people using the government suppliers are newbies to the market and don't know how to find street vendors. They also don't know quality and have to rely on what they are told at point of sale.

Oh, that is not even remotely true.  I knew and still know plenty of people I could buy illegal weed from, but I, and most of the people I know, prefer the store down the street.  It's easier to use, doesn't involve anything illegal, and the money goes to programs that need it.

And quality?  Are you kidding?  I've gotten plenty of dirt weed from illegal suppliers, but every oz of legal weed I buy has the analysis printed right there on the package.  The selection is far superior and I can get alternative forms if I wish.  The people relying on what they're told at POS are the idiots saving $50/oz buying whatever their supplier has.

Also look at Oregon where they gave EVERYONE a grow license(free enterprise) Families sold the farm to build grow ops, lost their ass, could not claim it as a business loss, and weed went to $2 a pound...

"Enough recreational cannabis sat on dispensary shelves, in warehouses and in processing plants this January to satisfy buyers for more than six years, according to a report from the Oregon Liquor Control Commission, the state agency that regulates recreational marijuana."


So everyone tried to get rich quick and created far more supply than there was demand.

Woopsies. Free market, supply and demand. All that jazz
 
2022-05-22 11:25:27 AM  
dnrtfa cos I'm too cool for school, so I'm guessing it's because while it's 'legal', it's mostly also hamstrung with limits and conditions and fees etc etc.
 
2022-05-22 12:01:36 PM  
Was it ever winning?
 
2022-05-22 12:02:30 PM  
Because illegal weed still exists.
 
2022-05-22 12:12:46 PM  
Begging the question much, subby?

TL;DR: California enacted a shiatty set of regulations. Other states chose differently, but discussing them would harsh the narrative.
 
2022-05-22 12:35:33 PM  
Why dispensary instead of Jane down the street? Guaranteed terpene analysis.

The dispensaries around here offer impressive discounts too - 25% off your first three visits, senior Fridays, 30% off your entire first order of your birthday month, overstock sales, etc.

But mostly? Guaranteed terpene analysis.
 
2022-05-22 12:55:04 PM  

unixpro: cherryl taggart: johnryan51: Capitalism?

Government over reach.  The free market, albeit unlicensed, is still providing products and services that the regulated market is strangling on.

If your supplier has been reliable, you'll stick with them.  The only people using the government suppliers are newbies to the market and don't know how to find street vendors. They also don't know quality and have to rely on what they are told at point of sale.

Oh, that is not even remotely true.  I knew and still know plenty of people I could buy illegal weed from, but I, and most of the people I know, prefer the store down the street.  It's easier to use, doesn't involve anything illegal, and the money goes to programs that need it.

And quality?  Are you kidding?  I've gotten plenty of dirt weed from illegal suppliers, but every oz of legal weed I buy has the analysis printed right there on the package.  The selection is far superior and I can get alternative forms if I wish.  The people relying on what they're told at POS are the idiots saving $50/oz buying whatever their supplier has.


I will never go back having a baggie of WEED brand weed. Gimme a legal shop every day of the week!
 
2022-05-22 1:49:56 PM  
I dunno - good question. If I could run down to the Circle C(annabis) store and pick up a bag of my fav shiat like a civilized state I sure would. Double so if there is some kind of quality oversight.
 
2022-05-22 1:50:27 PM  

johnryan51: Capitalism?


Capitalism! Curse youuuuuiiiiiinnnnghghgh
 
2022-05-22 1:50:34 PM  
Someone isn't paying attention to the illegal market prices if they think it's winning...wholesale California prices for indoor or outdoor are half what they were last year....nearing cost to produce.
 
2022-05-22 1:54:09 PM  

WickerNipple: There are states winning that battle.  Article would have been a lot more eye-opening if they'd made real world comparisons.  The only other state I even see mentioned is MA which is absolutely not winning that battle.


Because in Mass you can grow for personal use. And growing your own is cheaper than talking to either your fry guy for a quick hook up, or the weed store down the road. The difference is that mere possession is no longer a popable offense, nor is simply smelling weed in a car automatically a 'reasonable search.'

If Cali were a bit more serious about it, they'd give their shops a fighting chance to compete, but with banking being Sofa King limited Federally, legal weed is always going to be at a disadvantage where the market is concerned. The restrictions that are put on legal weed drive up the price, along with limiting the suppliers. It is still a fairly closed market, so small weed growers who sell their stuff on the side for cash are generally going to have a better price point.

Until we get rid of the Federal onus on banking, it's going to keep the market weird and inbred.
 
2022-05-22 1:54:56 PM  
Republicans.
 
2022-05-22 1:55:55 PM  
Because while legal weed produced at scale is consistent, it is largely consistently mediocre. The black market grower can get a better price for his or her unregulated product and so can afford to include more beneficial inputs, include a broader range of genetics, and follow better post-harvest SOPs than most legal growers. The best weed of all comes from small batch growers with humble profit goals.

Legal commercial production is not only more highly regulated, but their models limit them to cultivars that finish in 9 weeks (some varieties can flower for 20+ weeks), are profitable at scale, stand up to commercial processing practices, and have high THC numbers. It's why the market is flooded with CookiesxCookiesxSkittlesxCakexGelatoxSherb etc. Finishes fast, is rock hard, looks pretty, and you can chuck it is a trimming machine and call it a day.
 
2022-05-22 1:55:59 PM  
Because some asshole coont of a "journalist" had a byline to fill and thought he'd just make up some garbage that would appeal to idiots?
 
2022-05-22 1:56:43 PM  
I don't think making everyone have a card helps around here.
 
2022-05-22 1:57:46 PM  
California was the state most prepared to get this right, and instead they absolutely bungled it. Meanwhile in Oregon, I quit growing for myself because even free weed no longer made financial sense when factoring in time and effort spent vs. the quantity and quality available legally, literally half-a-block away.
 
2022-05-22 1:59:53 PM  
Meh. I buy it legally in CA. There is no way I'm going to try to find a dealer, try to set up buys and expose myself to jail time (and possible robberies) when I can walk into a store and walk out with whatever I want. I like the vape carts and no street dealer has them.

The best part about the carts is when it gets down toward the end pop them babies open and feast on the goo. Have food and munchies available because you don't want to go to the store.
 
2022-05-22 1:59:56 PM  
Industrial production of cannabis outpaces actual demand by several orders of magnitude.  Plus anyone can grow it in their backyard.

I'm just waiting for federal legalization to hit and the massive flood of cease & desist orders that go out to every weed producer 2 seconds later.  I remember reading several years ago that basically everything related to cannabis production genetically has been patented and those patents have slowly been all bought up by some shadow bidder. Until federal legalization none of those patents are actionable.  But the second cannabis is legalized, holy shiat the royalties that will be due.
 
2022-05-22 2:00:29 PM  
This thread will get tired and obtuse.
 
2022-05-22 2:01:54 PM  
When you open a market that's immediately crushed into non-competitive behavior, you're gonna have a bad time.

/severely limiting licenses to grow-n-sell? brilliant!
 
2022-05-22 2:02:47 PM  
In Oregon, I can get my choice of a wide variety of legal weed at better prices than I was getting it illegally back in the days when I was buying by the quarter pound to resell. Now I know what I'm getting, can buy it whenever is convenient for me, and don't have to spend 45 minutes listening to shiatty reggae in a filthy house while my dealer does bong rips and rambles on about some hippie nonsense.

Honestly, as someone who grew up in the illegal weed scene, I was super skeptical when it got legalized and figured the government would figure out a way to fark it up. I'm pleasantly surprised that my state did it right.

/realized I may have hit peak Oregon when I made a lumber deal in the parking lot of a weed store
 
2022-05-22 2:03:08 PM  
I buy legal weed but in Colorado
 
2022-05-22 2:03:09 PM  
The same reason that there is a massive bootleg market for tobacco in states like Illinois.

People will break the law (or knowingly have others break it for them) to save money.

We are a terrible people.
 
2022-05-22 2:03:41 PM  
Because street vendors dont charge $160 for an eighth
 
2022-05-22 2:03:42 PM  

cherryl taggart: johnryan51: Capitalism?

Government over reach.  The free market, albeit unlicensed, is still providing products and services that the regulated market is strangling on.

If your supplier has been reliable, you'll stick with them.  The only people using the government suppliers are newbies to the market and don't know how to find street vendors.  They also don't know quality and have to rely on what they are told at point of sale.


Both.

Government overreach is strangling the legal market in a lot of places where it's legal.

And the patchwork of states where it's illegal means it's safer to illegally grow it where use is legal and then sell it where it's illegal. It's legal in Oregon, but southern Oregon (Grant's Pass / Medford / etc) is suffering a real problem where illegal grow-ops will move in, grow, completely trash the environment around them, bring crime, and if they get busted, they take over somewhere else before the day is out.
 
2022-05-22 2:04:09 PM  
It is still not legal, especially when cannabis companies can't claim anything on taxes and can't bank. When it is finally legal, it will be produced and sold like tobacco - when people can grow their own or trade it freely there will be no black market. Again, it is still illegal.
 
2022-05-22 2:04:44 PM  
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2022-05-22 2:05:28 PM  
illegal weed is still illegal. Use the cops. It worked for booze (not with prohibition, but when was the last time you drank moonshine?)

It is going to take time and effort, but it's worth it. The taxes are needed, the product needs to be free of poison, water needs to be used for FOOD, and these criminal bastards use the proceeds from their ditch weed to supply harder and more harmful drugs. That last bit is the real issue here.

And no, I don't mean "gateway drug" bull, I mean the same guy who will break the law to give you a joint will break the law to give you H mixed with Fentanyl or "acid" that's pure crank.

Is it unfair to poor people? Yes. Capitalism is ishtty that way. Starting a business is hard.
 
2022-05-22 2:05:42 PM  

Gubbo: Giant Clown Shoe: The exact same product for far less money and delivered by someone cool who often gives me free samples?

Dispensaries in Illinois are unnecessarily burdensome and creepy. The mean mugging off-duty pig guards don't help either. There's just no reason to go to a dispensary... except for cartridges. 

/purple mimosa for $140 an oz delivered in around 2 hrs with two free fruit loops cereal edibles to try out. They're $10 a pop if I want them next time

Anyone else ever have a dealer give out free samples.


I had a store give me a few once. It was a few rolled doobs.
 
2022-05-22 2:05:48 PM  

Gubbo: unixpro: cherryl taggart: johnryan51: Capitalism?

Government over reach.  The free market, albeit unlicensed, is still providing products and services that the regulated market is strangling on.

If your supplier has been reliable, you'll stick with them.  The only people using the government suppliers are newbies to the market and don't know how to find street vendors. They also don't know quality and have to rely on what they are told at point of sale.

Oh, that is not even remotely true.  I knew and still know plenty of people I could buy illegal weed from, but I, and most of the people I know, prefer the store down the street.  It's easier to use, doesn't involve anything illegal, and the money goes to programs that need it.

And quality?  Are you kidding?  I've gotten plenty of dirt weed from illegal suppliers, but every oz of legal weed I buy has the analysis printed right there on the package.  The selection is far superior and I can get alternative forms if I wish.  The people relying on what they're told at POS are the idiots saving $50/oz buying whatever their supplier has.

Imagine saying that you're relying on what you're told by the legal shop with it's packaging but your dealer will tell you the gods honest truth.


My old grower friend sent samples off to a lab and printed the results on stickers that he attached to the bags.

Shame he moved out of state.
 
2022-05-22 2:07:45 PM  
Taxes and regulations.
 
2022-05-22 2:09:05 PM  

educated: Why dispensary instead of Jane down the street? Guaranteed terpene analysis.

The dispensaries around here offer impressive discounts too - 25% off your first three visits, senior Fridays, 30% off your entire first order of your birthday month, overstock sales, etc.

But mostly? Guaranteed terpene analysis.


I get the senior discount at mine.
 
2022-05-22 2:09:12 PM  
Speaking for Ontario edibles, the costs of grey market (native reserves) edibles is a fraction of the 'legal' ones.

Additionally, the legal edibles are capped at 10 mg of THC per gummy, whereas a grey market can be as high as 90mg per gummy.

A 10 mg legal gummy costs $8, and my wife needs about 30mg to get a good nights sleep (why we take them).

A 60 mg grey gummy costs about double the costs of the legal 10mg.

Go figure why the full legal weed is floundering.
 
2022-05-22 2:09:13 PM  
Cannabis Industry in California just needs more Bill Gates.
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2022-05-22 2:10:40 PM  
Why does a stolen watermelon taste sweeter?
 
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