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2022-05-22 8:36:48 AM  
Someone got paid for that story. Paid to plant it, paid to write the commentary, paid to present it, paid to promote it, there was a guy who got paid to make a chayron for it, and film it, and direct it. People got paid for that half-assery, and WHO are the fiscally responsible folks supposed to be?

That was bad, and everyone involved should feel bad because that wasn't even trying. It was like C rated debate club tactic, and they let the dumb kid who was just there to have an activity on record put together an idea.

This is the mediocre future of propaganda is. Not lofty goals and stirring speeches, not campaigns to whip up patriotic fervor, but padding out some intern's resume.
 
2022-05-22 10:06:47 AM  
"exacerbate the populist revolt."

I'm ok with a populist revolt. I just don't like that it's being led by the right wing.
 
2022-05-22 11:45:08 AM  
Not clicking to give them traffic.
 
2022-05-22 11:47:22 AM  
YOU GUYS DC IS BURNING BABIES IN INCINERATORS FOR ELECTRICITY!!!

/amen
//so true
 
2022-05-22 11:49:03 AM  
Not clicking that shiat, but if someone could say wtf this is all about, that'd be great. Thanks.
 
2022-05-22 11:51:15 AM  

jaylectricity: "exacerbate the populist revolt."

I'm ok with a populist revolt. I just don't like that it's being led by the right wing.


There can be more than one, you know.
 
2022-05-22 11:52:16 AM  

The Drawing Board: Not clicking that shiat, but if someone could say wtf this is all about, that'd be great. Thanks.


There is not going to be an honest or rational description of that article posted in the politics tab on fark.com. If you're not interested in it enough to read it and generate your own opinion, just move forward with your Sunday.
 
2022-05-22 11:52:26 AM  

The Drawing Board: Not clicking that shiat, but if someone could say wtf this is all about, that'd be great. Thanks.


The headline on the page "'Disinformation' a 'fantasy' that lets liberals 'lie to themselves,' avoid 'agony of self-reflection'"

Some iMax level projection going on.
 
2022-05-22 11:53:41 AM  
We're lying to ourselves to think we can ever co-exist with these fascists. They are pushing for a white male Christian run kleptocratic theocracy, because they don't want to give up their greed of both hoarding money and punishing the poor and downtrodden because it makes their dicks hard.
 
2022-05-22 11:55:03 AM  
I will say this about this part of the article:

The game of disinformation was about characterizing the Trump-voting part of the country as having "been duped, brainwashed by nefarious forces both foreign and domestic. And if only the best minds, the most credentialed experts, could be given new authority to regulate the flow of 'fake news,' the scales would fall from the eyes of the people."

He is correct here in my opinion. I remember early on how mystified I was at how these folks could believe a man like Trump. I heard yokels talking about Trump and the republicans were the best chance at raising the minimum wage, when Bernie Sanders was literally running on the other side with a platform of raising the minimum wage. And 10,000 other examples. I think like many of us, I sort of watched it all unfold with a constant WTF look on my face.

But, soon after, when the dust settled, I think all of us, or at least most of us, would agree that the misinformation people were receiving had very little to do with motivations for Trump voters. Sure they may have used that misinformation to justify it, but it is the same thing as a rapist using a woman's clothing to justify their behavior. It is just an excuse they dismiss away with a hand wave if ever truly confronted by it.

The real motivations of Trump voters were, and remain, fear, anger and hate. A viscous mean-spirited hate derived from fear which had culminated into intense, boiling rage. They did not need "education" to vote for Trump so information did not matter. They just wanted someone to say the quiet parts out loud.

So, although I do not come to the same conclusions as the author all together, I do have to say that concluding people were "duped" by misinformation from "foreign powers" is being way too forgiving and minimalizing. They were angry, hateful, fearful people spurred on solely by other Americans.
 
2022-05-22 11:55:55 AM  

The Drawing Board: Not clicking that shiat, but if someone could say wtf this is all about, that'd be great. Thanks.


Yo dawg!  We heard you liked disinformation so we broadcast disinformation about the disinformation board!
 
2022-05-22 11:56:18 AM  

The Drawing Board: Not clicking that shiat, but if someone could say wtf this is all about, that'd be great. Thanks.


Our silent farts are more coherent and honest than whatever lies behind that link
 
2022-05-22 11:57:26 AM  
"Having inoculated his readers from the thought that what the right did wasn't a horrific propaganda campaign warranting arrest and punishment"

Oh what baloney, the right doesn't believe in inoculation.
 
2022-05-22 11:58:49 AM  

MarciusDecimus: I will say this about this part of the article:

The game of disinformation was about characterizing the Trump-voting part of the country as having "been duped, brainwashed by nefarious forces both foreign and domestic. And if only the best minds, the most credentialed experts, could be given new authority to regulate the flow of 'fake news,' the scales would fall from the eyes of the people."

He is correct here in my opinion. I remember early on how mystified I was at how these folks could believe a man like Trump. I heard yokels talking about Trump and the republicans were the best chance at raising the minimum wage, when Bernie Sanders was literally running on the other side with a platform of raising the minimum wage. And 10,000 other examples. I think like many of us, I sort of watched it all unfold with a constant WTF look on my face.

But, soon after, when the dust settled, I think all of us, or at least most of us, would agree that the misinformation people were receiving had very little to do with motivations for Trump voters. Sure they may have used that misinformation to justify it, but it is the same thing as a rapist using a woman's clothing to justify their behavior. It is just an excuse they dismiss away with a hand wave if ever truly confronted by it.

The real motivations of Trump voters were, and remain, fear, anger and hate. A viscous mean-spirited hate derived from fear which had culminated into intense, boiling rage. They did not need "education" to vote for Trump so information did not matter. They just wanted someone to say the quiet parts out loud.

So, although I do not come to the same conclusions as the author all together, I do have to say that concluding people were "duped" by misinformation from "foreign powers" is being way too forgiving and minimalizing. They were angry, hateful, fearful people spurred on solely by other Americans.


There was a good article on Cracked, of all places, right around the 2016 election, explaining that these people just want to throw a brick through a window and feel like they're attacking something.

Trump support is the equivalent of those 90s "Calvin peeing on things" decals. It's not about any sort of coherent policy. It's just people who think middle fingers are cool.

That and racism.
 
2022-05-22 12:01:21 PM  
FAKE NEWS! in a gilded package.
 
2022-05-22 12:07:51 PM  
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It's a dumb, dumb, simple recipe. 

Take something that people can connect with. Women, gas prices, pick anything.

Step two is to splice it with utter crap. Complete disinformation. 

Step three is to phrase it in such a manner that unless you're on your game with critical thought, the spliced innocuous / disingenuous seed causes a moment of consideration. 

Step four: repeat the disingenuous side of the point, while relaying/repeating the factual solidity it's grafted to.

It's a hack. It's how propaganda's worked for forever. He's trying again to find purchase.

Was/Re: Any argument any R has used in the past. Fascism rises due to techniques like this. It's how we're seeing things like Abortion attempt to be vaporized.

Extra Bonus Step Five: Create problems that 'only you can solve'. Dump fscked up NAFTA, and ensured that there'd be a problem with Infant Formula thanks to his 'renegotiations'. This was done on purpose. 

Lo and behold, we end up with a for-real, life threatening shortage of infant formula. Did you see how quick the Rs jumped on that, blaming the Democrats and harping that, "This would never have happened under their watch?"

They're using particularly dirty tricks to continue to grab power. Which is why people who engage in this kind of viral, toxic hokum should be absolutely handled like the Fascists in Spain, Italy, Germany and elsewhere.

You can't talk those who delight in bad faith acting out of doing it. You stop them by any and other means necessary.
 
2022-05-22 12:11:53 PM  
To be fair, they're only burning Republican fetuses, cause hypocrisy.
 
2022-05-22 12:17:23 PM  

MarciusDecimus: I will say this about this part of the article:

The game of disinformation was about characterizing the Trump-voting part of the country as having "been duped, brainwashed by nefarious forces both foreign and domestic. And if only the best minds, the most credentialed experts, could be given new authority to regulate the flow of 'fake news,' the scales would fall from the eyes of the people."

He is correct here in my opinion. I remember early on how mystified I was at how these folks could believe a man like Trump. I heard yokels talking about Trump and the republicans were the best chance at raising the minimum wage, when Bernie Sanders was literally running on the other side with a platform of raising the minimum wage. And 10,000 other examples. I think like many of us, I sort of watched it all unfold with a constant WTF look on my face.

But, soon after, when the dust settled, I think all of us, or at least most of us, would agree that the misinformation people were receiving had very little to do with motivations for Trump voters. Sure they may have used that misinformation to justify it, but it is the same thing as a rapist using a woman's clothing to justify their behavior. It is just an excuse they dismiss away with a hand wave if ever truly confronted by it.

The real motivations of Trump voters were, and remain, fear, anger and hate. A viscous mean-spirited hate derived from fear which had culminated into intense, boiling rage. They did not need "education" to vote for Trump so information did not matter. They just wanted someone to say the quiet parts out loud.

So, although I do not come to the same conclusions as the author all together, I do have to say that concluding people were "duped" by misinformation from "foreign powers" is being way too forgiving and minimalizing. They were angry, hateful, fearful people spurred on solely by other Americans.


It's the difference between looking for reasons or looking for excuses. Right wingers have no interest in knowledge or discovery they are looking for permission. This has always been true. Put this article on the stack with the other examples, it's not so much projection as a justification for the behavior they already committed to.
 
2022-05-22 12:19:02 PM  
Gotta love the closing:
"If faith in our institutions is to be restored, I don't think it will be accomplished by stigmatizing doubt or obstructing the dissemination of falsehood."

The grift must flow freely, without impediment!

Yeah, that'll improve trust in institutions. /s
 
2022-05-22 12:21:33 PM  
moron writes article about thing he really wants to be true.  that thing still is not true, despite how much said article-writing moron wants it to be.
 
2022-05-22 12:21:40 PM  

Znuh: He's trying again to find purchase.


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2022-05-22 12:21:58 PM  
Every asshole who went out and voted for that sickening puke Trump was told to do so by Fox farking News.
The end. It's as simple as that.
 
2022-05-22 12:25:41 PM  

King of Monkeys: YOU GUYS DC IS BURNING BABIES IN INCINERATORS FOR ELECTRICITY!!!

/amen
//so true


Silly they put the aborted fetus to use.
South Park: Larry King Show
Youtube xLMGeCxyOZ4
 
2022-05-22 12:28:57 PM  
Is this dude auditioning for Glenn Greenwald's role on Fox News as the "liberal journalist" whose work just happens to advance all their narratives?
 
2022-05-22 12:32:13 PM  

jaylectricity: "exacerbate the populist revolt."

I'm ok with a populist revolt. I just don't like that it's being led by the right wing.


I would advise progressives to take what they can get.
 
2022-05-22 12:37:49 PM  

Licinius Crassus: Every asshole who went out and voted for that sickening puke Trump was told to do so by Fox farking News.
The end. It's as simple as that.


You don't understand what's REALLY at stake here. All of Americas grand traditions are under attack! By the left wing progressive witches! Our grand tradition of letting certain religions run roughshod over normal peoples lives, open racism... slavery even! SLAVERY! A fine institution on which this country was founded. And Trump was the only way to bring them back. He understands how to talk to normal people, people with limited vocabularies and narrow world views that are constantly being challenged by liberal-scientists. Instead of affirmed by liberal-scientists! How can a country exist with that kind of engagement with the truth? It cannot. So help me Cthulu it cannot.
 
2022-05-22 12:38:25 PM  

MarciusDecimus: I will say this The real motivations of Trump voters were, and remain, fear, anger and hate.


For the core of his supporters that's true. But don't forget that Trump became president thanks to a few thousand votes in a handful of states. You don't think that thin margin was at all affected by people concerned about Her Emails? Most of the misinformation in 2016 wasn't pro-Trump, it was anti-Hillary.
 
2022-05-22 12:38:34 PM  

MarciusDecimus: I will say this about this part of the article:

The game of disinformation was about characterizing the Trump-voting part of the country as having "been duped, brainwashed by nefarious forces both foreign and domestic. And if only the best minds, the most credentialed experts, could be given new authority to regulate the flow of 'fake news,' the scales would fall from the eyes of the people."

He is correct here in my opinion. I remember early on how mystified I was at how these folks could believe a man like Trump. I heard yokels talking about Trump and the republicans were the best chance at raising the minimum wage, when Bernie Sanders was literally running on the other side with a platform of raising the minimum wage. And 10,000 other examples. I think like many of us, I sort of watched it all unfold with a constant WTF look on my face.

But, soon after, when the dust settled, I think all of us, or at least most of us, would agree that the misinformation people were receiving had very little to do with motivations for Trump voters. Sure they may have used that misinformation to justify it, but it is the same thing as a rapist using a woman's clothing to justify their behavior. It is just an excuse they dismiss away with a hand wave if ever truly confronted by it.

The real motivations of Trump voters were, and remain, fear, anger and hate. A viscous mean-spirited hate derived from fear which had culminated into intense, boiling rage. They did not need "education" to vote for Trump so information did not matter. They just wanted someone to say the quiet parts out loud.

So, although I do not come to the same conclusions as the author all together, I do have to say that concluding people were "duped" by misinformation from "foreign powers" is being way too forgiving and minimalizing. They were angry, hateful, fearful people spurred on solely by other Americans.


This.

So many just wanted a valid excuse for their pettiness, racism and anger. The GOP and Faux News are telling their audience they're oppressed and allowed to be angry because hate sells
 
2022-05-22 12:43:24 PM  

nicholasneko: The Drawing Board: Not clicking that shiat, but if someone could say wtf this is all about, that'd be great. Thanks.

The headline on the page "'Disinformation' a 'fantasy' that lets liberals 'lie to themselves,' avoid 'agony of self-reflection'"

Some iMax level projection going on.


That's a lot of quotes.
 
2022-05-22 12:44:03 PM  
The only thing missing from that piece of dreck was "LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER!"

Which is incredibly ironic coming from the party of Jewish Space Lasers, burning babies to generate electricity and operatives in Italy changing voting machines remotely.
 
2022-05-22 12:49:57 PM  

The Drawing Board: Not clicking that shiat, but if someone could say wtf this is all about, that'd be great. Thanks.


The folks who can't see the difference between fascism, Nazism, communism, socialism, liberalism and totalitarianism and  who are currently pushing among other things to exercise any critical reflection on the history of the United States from classrooms, are concerned the people who disagree with them politically don't involve in enough reflection or self-criticism.

Typical inane right-wing drivel amounting to no more than:

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2022-05-22 12:50:10 PM  
I'm gonna guess the article he's citing is the usual bit of both sides-ism, and the Fox clown is cherry-picking from the article and saying, "See? this author is saying liberals have been duped by misinformation!"

What the hell do they care what a New Yorker article says, anyway?
 
2022-05-22 12:51:56 PM  

shpritz: MarciusDecimus: I will say this The real motivations of Trump voters were, and remain, fear, anger and hate.

For the core of his supporters that's true. But don't forget that Trump became president thanks to a few thousand votes in a handful of states. You don't think that thin margin was at all affected by people concerned about Her Emails? Most of the misinformation in 2016 wasn't pro-Trump, it was anti-Hillary.


Zero people voted for Trump for non-racist reasons. People who aren't white supremacists and who hate[d] Hillary Clinton too much to vote for her didn't vote for Trump. They didn't vote at all.
 
2022-05-22 12:55:29 PM  

UndeadPoetsSociety: People who aren't white supremacists and who hate[d] Hillary Clinton too much to vote for her didn't vote for Trump. They didn't vote at all.


OK. And by not voting for Hillary they changed the result of the election. Which is my point.

Also, you forgot Jill Stein :)
 
2022-05-22 12:57:21 PM  

UndeadPoetsSociety: shpritz: MarciusDecimus: I will say this The real motivations of Trump voters were, and remain, fear, anger and hate.

For the core of his supporters that's true. But don't forget that Trump became president thanks to a few thousand votes in a handful of states. You don't think that thin margin was at all affected by people concerned about Her Emails? Most of the misinformation in 2016 wasn't pro-Trump, it was anti-Hillary.

Zero people voted for Trump for non-racist reasons. People who aren't white supremacists and who hate[d] Hillary Clinton too much to vote for her didn't vote for Trump. They didn't vote at all.


Well misogynists as misanthropes aren't necessarily racists even if the Venn diagram does have a lot of overlap.
 
2022-05-22 12:58:41 PM  
Once again, conservatives show themselves to be subhuman filth.
 
2022-05-22 1:08:37 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: We're lying to ourselves to think we can ever co-exist with these fascists. They are pushing for a white male Christian run kleptocratic theocracy, because they don't want to give up their greed of both hoarding money and punishing the poor and downtrodden because it makes their dicks hard.


And you'll let them win because you felt Joe Biden shorted you $600 of stimmies.
 
2022-05-22 1:10:21 PM  
Coming from the political wing that attacked the capital and then days later try to claim it was a love filled event.
 
2022-05-22 1:10:43 PM  

hubiestubert: Someone got paid for that story. Paid to plant it, paid to write the commentary, paid to present it, paid to promote it, there was a guy who got paid to make a chayron for it, and film it, and direct it. People got paid for that half-assery, and WHO are the fiscally responsible folks supposed to be?

That was bad, and everyone involved should feel bad because that wasn't even trying. It was like C rated debate club tactic, and they let the dumb kid who was just there to have an activity on record put together an idea.

This is the mediocre future of propaganda is. Not lofty goals and stirring speeches, not campaigns to whip up patriotic fervor, but padding out some intern's resume.


And someone paid to post a link to it on fark.
 
2022-05-22 1:14:55 PM  
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lol. No.
 
2022-05-22 1:16:33 PM  

UndeadPoetsSociety: shpritz: MarciusDecimus: I will say this The real motivations of Trump voters were, and remain, fear, anger and hate.

For the core of his supporters that's true. But don't forget that Trump became president thanks to a few thousand votes in a handful of states. You don't think that thin margin was at all affected by people concerned about Her Emails? Most of the misinformation in 2016 wasn't pro-Trump, it was anti-Hillary.

Zero people voted for Trump for non-racist reasons. People who aren't white supremacists and who hate[d] Hillary Clinton too much to vote for her didn't vote for Trump. They didn't vote at all.


Not true. My friends voted for themselves. (Not that it would matter in their specific case, farkstick lost NH anyway.)

They voted Biden in the last election out of absolute hatred for TFG.
 
2022-05-22 1:22:13 PM  
For Liberals read Big Lie loving Conservatives.

Addicts of fear, hate and paranoia recognize a sister soul in Trump.

Everybody's picking on me. Nobody was ever mistreated more than me. The world is a zero sum game, modified only by solepcism. Everything I say is Truth. Anything I don't want to hear is lying liars who lie.
 
2022-05-22 1:23:30 PM  
Total Informational Un-self-awareness unless of course the author is just agit-propaganda-mongering.
 
2022-05-22 1:24:44 PM  
from ze comments:

"Social media is the public forum where free speech should be guaranteed."

Cool, you're tacitly admitting that we nationalize it. Otherwise no, free speech is not guaranteed on social media.
 
2022-05-22 1:28:38 PM  
How can they say disinformation is a fantasy (which would mean claims of disinformation are themselves disinformation, making the claims fantasy) while at the same time saying all the news they don't like is fake news, which would correctly be called disinformation.

Either disinformation is a fantasy or not... no wait, it's Republicans.  They can hold more than 40 contradictory concepts in their noggins at one time without any discomfort at all.  It's the only thing their brains are good at.
 
2022-05-22 1:30:33 PM  

MarciusDecimus: I will say this about this part of the article:

The game of disinformation was about characterizing the Trump-voting part of the country as having "been duped, brainwashed by nefarious forces both foreign and domestic. And if only the best minds, the most credentialed experts, could be given new authority to regulate the flow of 'fake news,' the scales would fall from the eyes of the people."

He is correct here in my opinion. I remember early on how mystified I was at how these folks could believe a man like Trump. I heard yokels talking about Trump and the republicans were the best chance at raising the minimum wage, when Bernie Sanders was literally running on the other side with a platform of raising the minimum wage. And 10,000 other examples. I think like many of us, I sort of watched it all unfold with a constant WTF look on my face.

But, soon after, when the dust settled, I think all of us, or at least most of us, would agree that the misinformation people were receiving had very little to do with motivations for Trump voters. Sure they may have used that misinformation to justify it, but it is the same thing as a rapist using a woman's clothing to justify their behavior. It is just an excuse they dismiss away with a hand wave if ever truly confronted by it.

The real motivations of Trump voters were, and remain, fear, anger and hate. A viscous mean-spirited hate derived from fear which had culminated into intense, boiling rage. They did not need "education" to vote for Trump so information did not matter. They just wanted someone to say the quiet parts out loud.

So, although I do not come to the same conclusions as the author all together, I do have to say that concluding people were "duped" by misinformation from "foreign powers" is being way too forgiving and minimalizing. They were angry, hateful, fearful people spurred on solely by other Americans.


One of the best ways to dupe someone is to tell them what they want to hear. Which means everyone who voted for Trump WANTED to hear the shiat that spewed from his mouth.

Honestly, if you can listen to the utter crap Trump and Republicans say on a daily basis and not categorize them as assholes who don't deserve your vote, then you're not being duped. You're just a shiat person backing other shiat people.
 
2022-05-22 1:33:06 PM  
I see we're back to the "HILLARY GOT CHEATED OUT OF THE PRESIDENCY! *we should ignore the campaign's endless faceplants*" canard that's the equivalent of "THE REFS CHEATED THE BUCKS FROM WINNING GAME 7! *ignore the endless 3-ball fails and Bud leaving a couple talented substitutes to rot on the bench until a few minutes of worthless mop-up duty remained*.
 
2022-05-22 1:37:32 PM  
Subby, why did you link to a Fox Newspeak misrepresentation of the NY Magazine article, when it's easy to find THE ORIGINAL COLUMN?

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/05/the-liberal-obsession-with-disinformation-is-not-helping.html
 
2022-05-22 1:42:34 PM  

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