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2022-05-21 7:23:53 PM  
And things keep spontaneously catching fire.
 
2022-05-21 7:25:22 PM  
A bad dress rehearsal is supposed to be good luck for opening night. So Russia has that going for them.
 
2022-05-21 7:36:30 PM  
Poland would have a division of tanks leveling Moscow within 48 hours of the start of hostilities with NATO. And nothing of value would be lost.
 
2022-05-21 7:46:23 PM  
The goal is to "see on the battlefield how much stronger our weapons really are," said Alexei Fenenko.

Mission accomplished?
 
2022-05-21 8:24:33 PM  
The Play that Goes Wrong.

The Play that Goes Wrong performing at The Royal Variety Performance 2015
Youtube DOWO4gq-whg
 
2022-05-21 8:41:26 PM  
Peter Pan Goes Wrong
Youtube 6H1UjfpPf48
 
2022-05-21 8:48:46 PM  
No, but I had a drama teacher who threatened to flunk anybody who said 'play practice'.
 
2022-05-21 8:52:04 PM  

optikeye: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/6H1UjfpPf48]


I came here to post those.  I recently saw the Chicago production of The Play that Goes Wrong.  It is the stupidest thing I've ever seen.  Meticulously Stupid.  I have never had more fun at the theatre and I've seen the original casts of spamalot and the producers.
 
2022-05-21 9:06:35 PM  
So, throwing away a bunch of troops and materiel, along with a substantial number of guided munitions you can no longer manufacture, along with whole brigades of experienced troops that you can't get replacements for either, and losing any sea superiority you might have been able to claim to a country that hasn't got a Navy deployed, and STILL contesting air space, and rearming your opponent with lost and cast aside armor is your best shot?

This is what the West is supposed to fear? You're just sussing out how well the West can pinpoint your movements, and jam communications? Wondering how far back NATO artillery can rain down shells, when planes and tanks and infantry and subs and ships all get rolling in together, when you keep shelling your own people?

I suppose, one might argue that Russia is trying very hard to lull the West into a false sense of security, but seems like an awful expensive way to play the game. Especially since NATO has only let you see the off the shelf stuff so far, and has been keeping the cool toys, you know designed for JUST such an environment like Europe and buffer states, and on top of it, you've got Poland just itching for a charge across the border.

Okhlopkov and the Moscow Art Theater would NOT approve any show with THIS many issues.
 
2022-05-21 10:10:46 PM  
Yeah, if you went up against NATO it would be over in one day buddy. In 3 months you've already lost twice the number of people you lost in the 10-year long Afghanistan War.
 
2022-05-21 10:11:18 PM  
And here I thought subby was referring to the 2020 Republican Convention
 
2022-05-21 10:12:46 PM  
Russia, actually Putin, is just upset that the West, NATO and the EU, really doesn't care about Russia.  They see Russia as a supplier of raw materials and not much more.  Just a second rate country at best and a superpower only because of the nuclear weapons it possesses.
 
2022-05-21 10:13:57 PM  
There wouldn't be any Russia if we hadn't come given them aid during WW2.  Also, they would have been years later in developing the nuclear bomb, having stolen that from us along with many other secrets. They can produce lots of munitions, but munitions that actually work is what counts.
 
2022-05-21 10:15:00 PM  
If this is their dress rehearsal, then the entire production is a complete disaster. All the actors keep falling off the stage, the director is mentally unfit, and the production crew are too busy fighting each other to notice.

I've been in several plays. There was always one thing about the dress rehearsal: do it right, do it well, and the production run will be a thriving success. (Hell, I'm still recognized around my hometown for a play I was in almost ten years ago.)
 
2022-05-21 10:16:01 PM  
More like a re-hearse-al!

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2022-05-21 10:17:44 PM  

runwiz: Russia, actually Putin, is just upset that the West, NATO and the EU, really doesn't care about Russia.  They see Russia as a supplier of raw materials and not much more.  Just a second rate country at best and a superpower only because of the nuclear weapons it possesses.


I don't think anyone in an actual position of government believes Russia is a superpower at all, with the possible exception of American conservatives.
 
2022-05-21 10:17:58 PM  
FTA: "The goal is to "see on the battlefield how much stronger our weapons really are," said Alexei Fenenko."

I have worked with a lot of talented Russian mathematicians. I believe Alexei here. I am confident they can handle the negative numbers that come out of that measurement. Possibly the imaginary ones too.
 
2022-05-21 10:26:51 PM  

Bigdogdaddy: There wouldn't be any Russia if we hadn't come given them aid during WW2.  Also, they would have been years later in developing the nuclear bomb, having stolen that from us along with many other secrets. They can produce lots of munitions, but munitions that actually work is what counts.


Russia and the US divvied up the nazi scientists to develop the bomb. And at the time helping Russia is the right call when the other side is nazi Germany

As for Germany's ultimate surrender - Russia had more to do with that than the US
 
2022-05-21 10:26:57 PM  
I'm hoping that the results they find are "NATO would hand our asses back at us!".
 
2022-05-21 10:30:38 PM  

runwiz: Russia, actually Putin, is just upset that the West, NATO and the EU, really doesn't care about Russia.  They see Russia as a supplier of raw materials and not much more.  Just a second rate country at best and a superpower only because of the nuclear weapons it possesses.


Well, they ain't wrong.
 
2022-05-21 10:31:02 PM  

SpockYouOut: optikeye: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/6H1UjfpPf48]

I came here to post those. I recently saw the Chicago production of The Play that Goes Wrong.  It is the stupidest thing I've ever seen.  Meticulously Stupid.  I have never had more fun at the theatre and I've seen the original casts of spamalot and the producers.


METOO!

I would love to see them in person.  They would be great for a date - if the other person is the kind of goofball who likes that sort of thing, they might be the sort of goofball that I like.
 
2022-05-21 10:32:51 PM  
Dr. Strangelove - Ending
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2022-05-21 10:32:55 PM  
Narrator:

In all likelihood this is not, nor was it ever, a test or rehearsal to determine how Russia would fare in a legitimate military conflict with NATO. This is just bullshiat agitpropthat a professor was paid - or threatened - to say on Russian state TV to continue gaslighting the Russian people.
 
2022-05-21 10:35:28 PM  
"For us, the war in Ukraine ... is a rehearsal for a possibly larger conflict in the future," Fenenko said. "And that is why we'll test and go up against NATO weapons, and will see on the battlefield how much stronger our weapons really are compared to theirs."

The lessons are already clear to anyone who cares to learn them. A big part of that is because you think warfare is all about having "stronger weapons" and not about SIGINT/ELINT, logistics, coordination, or having NCOs who don't have to consult page 136 of the manual and call HQ for permission every time someone needs to lace their boots.

/Another part is that you don't have stronger weapons anyway. You can't even counter what are effectively our Goodwill donations.
//I will, however, concede to you the prize for "best ejector seat".

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2022-05-21 10:38:51 PM  
rosekolodny:

They're on their way to DC later this summer.

I got your chili sauces!  I'm going to start to with the scorpion pepper.
 
2022-05-21 10:40:36 PM  
They got an F minus.
 
2022-05-21 10:41:37 PM  

SpockYouOut: optikeye: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/6H1UjfpPf48]

I came here to post those.  I recently saw the Chicago production of The Play that Goes Wrong.  It is the stupidest thing I've ever seen.  Meticulously Stupid.  I have never had more fun at the theatre and I've seen the original casts of spamalot and the producers.


Spamalot? So Putin's gay?
 
2022-05-21 10:47:31 PM  
He's probably right about that, which is why Finland and Sweden can't wait to join NATO.
 
2022-05-21 10:49:50 PM  

HugeMistake: A bad dress rehearsal is supposed to be good luck for opening night. So Russia has that going for them.


Yes. Good luck to Russia.
 
2022-05-21 10:50:36 PM  

UndeadPoetsSociety: runwiz: Russia, actually Putin, is just upset that the West, NATO and the EU, really doesn't care about Russia.  They see Russia as a supplier of raw materials and not much more.  Just a second rate country at best and a superpower only because of the nuclear weapons it possesses.

I don't think anyone in an actual position of government believes Russia is a superpower at all, with the possible exception of American conservatives.


If the GOP wins again they will be a superpower, since Trump or DeSantis will just hand over the keys to Putin directly this time around.
 
2022-05-21 10:52:45 PM  

optikeye: The Play that Goes Wrong.

[YouTube video: The Play that Goes Wrong performing at The Royal Variety Performance 2015]


They got a series with 2 seasons so far. One of the funniest shows I've ever watched.
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2022-05-21 10:53:49 PM  

Spartapuss: HugeMistake: A bad dress rehearsal is supposed to be good luck for opening night. So Russia has that going for them.

Yes. Good luck to Russia.


They're foinf to need it.
 
2022-05-21 10:56:37 PM  

BretMavrik: "For us, the war in Ukraine ... is a rehearsal for a possibly larger conflict in the future," Fenenko said. "And that is why we'll test and go up against NATO weapons, and will see on the battlefield how much stronger our weapons really are compared to theirs."

The lessons are already clear to anyone who cares to learn them. A big part of that is because you think warfare is all about having "stronger weapons" and not about SIGINT/ELINT, logistics, coordination, or having NCOs who don't have to consult page 136 of the manual and call HQ for permission every time someone needs to lace their boots.

/Another part is that you don't have stronger weapons anyway. You can't even counter what are effectively our Goodwill donations.
//I will, however, concede to you the prize for "best ejector seat".

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Oh, that's beautiful, man.

Henceforth, Russia tank turrets shall be called "ejector seats".
 
2022-05-21 11:02:47 PM  
Irish Play - SNL
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2022-05-21 11:06:37 PM  

Bigdogdaddy: There wouldn't be any Russia if we hadn't come given them aid during WW2.


There'd be something, though. Almost certainly worse.
 
2022-05-21 11:15:31 PM  
There must be a lot of lead or something in the water in russia. This statement is completely divorced from reality, implying the speaker is:
A- unaware of the ground truth,
B- paid or coerced into saying something blatantly false,
or
C (always the correct answer)- getting ideas from the nice little fairies which play with his hair while he sleeps off his latest vodak bender.

Russia has had more than 100K casualties in three months of combat with a country 1/4 their size and equipped with Soviet-era military equipment. The military of that smaller country, when equipped with donated Western ATGMs and MANPADS, literally gutted russia's attacks on Kyiv and Kharkiv and Mykolaiv. As soon as Ukraine got their hands on Western military equipment (largely artillery, but vehicles as well), just about all russian advances stalled out or got shot to pieces. Russia is pulling military personnel out of Syria, the Far East, and Georgia to throw into the meatgrinder in Ukraine, and they're still losing.

Everyone on Earth (outside the russian reality-deflection propaganda bubble) is watching russia's best military equipment get sunflowered in real time, and this yutz thinks russian weapons are somehow better?

Okay. Fine. For the sake of discussion, let us assume all russian military equipment is superior in every way to NATO equipment. Given russia's inability to operate more than 100 kilometers from the nearest railhead, it will not matter. NATO has been providing military equipment to Ukraine in the middle of a farking war, which includes shipping 150 towed artillery guns and more than 1,000 rounds for each gun from the other side of the planet, but russia can't get food, fuel, and ammo to the troops in a country literally right next to russia.

Go peddle your pretties elsewhere.
 
2022-05-21 11:16:12 PM  
Someone should summarize the insane reporting of the final days of the Third Reich so that we can correlate with the final days of the Soviet Union version 2.
 
2022-05-21 11:29:23 PM  

Bigdogdaddy: There wouldn't be any Russia if we hadn't come given them aid during WW2.  Also, they would have been years later in developing the nuclear bomb, having stolen that from us along with many other secrets. They can produce lots of munitions, but munitions that actually work is what counts.


I don't think you understand how big a role Russia had in defeating the Nazis.  While the Allies were FA in Africa, the Russians kept Hitler busy until we able to mount an invasion of Europe.

I'm not an historian, but my understanding is that Russia's role in the allied victory was crucial.
 
2022-05-21 11:30:36 PM  
Yes, Alexi. Maybe. Perhaps I win the lottery tonight. Perhaps Lovergirl6969 really loves me. All these things are possible, I suppose.

They just seem very unlikely. Frankly, the Powerball is the most likely.
 
2022-05-21 11:31:02 PM  

rosekolodny: SpockYouOut: optikeye: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/6H1UjfpPf48]

I came here to post those. I recently saw the Chicago production of The Play that Goes Wrong.  It is the stupidest thing I've ever seen.  Meticulously Stupid.  I have never had more fun at the theatre and I've seen the original casts of spamalot and the producers.

METOO!

I would love to see them in person.  They would be great for a date - if the other person is the kind of goofball who likes that sort of thing, they might be the sort of goofball that I like.


I saw it in NYC off Broadway.  It was loads of fun.
 
2022-05-21 11:32:37 PM  
I am curious about what gun was pointed at his head off-camera. Based on current performances in Ukraine, if the soldier who was holding it pulled the trigger his own helmet would explode.
 
2022-05-21 11:40:23 PM  
Just how many tanks and tank crews is Russia looking to have turned into bloody scrap? The Russian army is not the fear inspiring boogeyman it once was, IMHO.
 
2022-05-21 11:42:53 PM  

Graffito: Bigdogdaddy: There wouldn't be any Russia if we hadn't come given them aid during WW2.  Also, they would have been years later in developing the nuclear bomb, having stolen that from us along with many other secrets. They can produce lots of munitions, but munitions that actually work is what counts.

I don't think you understand how big a role Russia had in defeating the Nazis.  While the Allies were FA in Africa, the Russians kept Hitler busy until we able to mount an invasion of Europe.

I'm not an historian, but my understanding is that Russia's role in the allied victory was crucial.


Yup, it was Stalin giving FDR and Churchill crap that while they were starting to make their big plans for invading France his people were getting all of the Wehrmacht's attention.  Although it should be said Russian troops were way more scared of Stalin than they were of Hitler so that might have had something to do with it.
 
2022-05-21 11:53:27 PM  

Graffito: Bigdogdaddy: There wouldn't be any Russia if we hadn't come given them aid during WW2.  Also, they would have been years later in developing the nuclear bomb, having stolen that from us along with many other secrets. They can produce lots of munitions, but munitions that actually work is what counts.

I don't think you understand how big a role Russia had in defeating the Nazis.  While the Allies were FA in Africa, the Russians kept Hitler busy until we able to mount an invasion of Europe.

I'm not an historian, but my understanding is that Russia's role in the allied victory was crucial.


It was.

The $180 billion (today's dollars) of aid that the US pumped into the USSR to support their fight against Germany was crucial as well.

All that aid flowing into Ukraine?  Imagine that times ten, for four years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease#US_deliveries_to_the_Soviet_Union
 
2022-05-21 11:57:47 PM  

Ken VeryBigLiar: Graffito: Bigdogdaddy: There wouldn't be any Russia if we hadn't come given them aid during WW2.  Also, they would have been years later in developing the nuclear bomb, having stolen that from us along with many other secrets. They can produce lots of munitions, but munitions that actually work is what counts.

I don't think you understand how big a role Russia had in defeating the Nazis.  While the Allies were FA in Africa, the Russians kept Hitler busy until we able to mount an invasion of Europe.

I'm not an historian, but my understanding is that Russia's role in the allied victory was crucial.

Yup, it was Stalin giving FDR and Churchill crap that while they were starting to make their big plans for invading France his people were getting all of the Wehrmacht's attention.  Although it should be said Russian troops were way more scared of Stalin than they were of Hitler so that might have had something to do with it.


When your commander's move is to deploy half of you to shoot the other half if they tried to retreat... you'd be scared too.
 
2022-05-22 12:06:32 AM  
They have at least a few working nukes, and nobody wants to invade that shiathole anyway.  They are in no danger from anyone but themselves. If they're practicing, it's for invasion.
 
2022-05-22 12:09:03 AM  

hubiestubert: very hard to lull the West into a false sense of security, but seems like an awful expensive way to play the game. Especially since NATO has only let you see the off the shelf stuff so far, and has been keeping the cool toys, you know designed for JUST such an environment like Europe and buffer states, and on top of it, you've got Poland just itching for a charge across the border.


NATO hasn't shown them anything they didn't see in Kuwait, Iraq, or Afghanistan. Most of the stuff the Russians have faced to date is the Russian stuff that Russia sold to Ukraine!

Yeah, the Javelin is relatively new, but Russia has probably dissected specimens of the Carl Gustav, and they've known about the Panzerfaust 3 for a long time.

The drone kicking their ass is made in Turkey, but it looks like off-the-shelf DJI drones could accomplish most of the tasks.

What caught the Russians off-guard was Ukraine modifying their Uber software for use by the Field Artillery. That probably came as a shock to NATO as well.

We know they have only a limited number of the T-14 Armata tanks, and those are worthless as long as Russia hangs on to their BTGs as their primary mode of combat. It's just not workable when faced with small, agile fire teams armed with ATGMs and MANPADs.

The lack of a professional NCO base is also killing them.

Given how top-down China's military seems to be, I have to wonder if they would do any better? I'm not worried about them making an amphibious assault on Taiwan for the same reason Russia couldn't get its tanks across a river: the amphibs would be sitting ducks. Put 2 Taiwanese soldiers on a Jet-Ski; let one drive and the other can carry a Javelin. Does China have the ability to extend air cover out to Taiwan? Possibly, but maintainingit for the duration is another thing altogether.

Oh, and while Russia claims to be "testing the waters", you can be sure a few teams of special operators have made their way into Russia. "Testing the waters" goes both ways.
 
2022-05-22 12:11:06 AM  
No, but I've seen Italy attempt to host the Eurovision Song Contest.

Eurovision Song Contest 1991
Youtube MKCgyiaO-FE
 
2022-05-22 12:11:22 AM  
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2022-05-22 12:14:23 AM  

BlazeTrailer: Bigdogdaddy: There wouldn't be any Russia if we hadn't come given them aid during WW2.  Also, they would have been years later in developing the nuclear bomb, having stolen that from us along with many other secrets. They can produce lots of munitions, but munitions that actually work is what counts.

Russia and the US divvied up the nazi scientists to develop the bomb. And at the time helping Russia is the right call when the other side is nazi Germany

As for Germany's ultimate surrender - Russia had more to do with that than the US


Russia wouldn't have been able to maneuver on the Eastern Front without the 300K trucks we gave them. They certainly didn't have enough horses to carry all the food and ammo needed on the front, nor did they have enough to haul artillery around.

The Studebaker DEUCE-AND-A-HALF saved Russia.
 
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