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2022-05-21 1:40:00 PM  
If by 'cursed' you mean lacking in anything looking like a central sort of voice with producers to watch over the franchise, and rein in directors and actors, as well as give guidance to those directors and actors, and set the tone for productions as a whole, then yeah, they're cursed.

The cinematic DC Universe is the Island of Misfit Toys. It has no center, it has no base, it's just a bunch of competing properties. Oddly enough, the raunchier of the properties, Doom Patrol, Peacemaker, and the various Harley Quinn vehicles all seem to be less hotbeds of controversy--with the exception of Jared Leto. Seriously, maybe folks in Hollywood need to stop casting this guy for anything OTHER than voice work in a booth. Alone.

Seriously. Just dump the Grimdark. It ain't healthy. Too many folks who are encouraged to be edgelords, and they're surprised that it goes squiffy? Shazam worked out fine.
 
2022-05-21 3:32:52 PM  

hubiestubert: The cinematic DC Universe is the Island of Misfit Toys. It has no center, it has no base, it's just a bunch of competing properties.


Or, more precisely, Marvel is a substudio within Disney.  Marvel movies are all goslings under Marvel Studio's wing.  So when resources are being divvied up, Mama Marvel grabs as much as she can and then can distribute it as needed for her babies.  But DC has nothing comparable in WB.  Every movie is on its own, competing not only with every other DC movie, but every other movie trying to lick WB's taint.  Superman: Retelling the Most Retold Origin Story For the 267,439th Time is duking it out with Batman: Retelling the Second Most Retold Origin Story For the 24,804th Time But With Enough GrimDark to Make Even Chaos Space Marines Tell You to Put Down the Edgelord Pipe, while Generic RomComs are circling them, shivs out.  Thor: Step On Me, Biceps Lady just had a bunch of Disney money dropped in its lap from Kevin Feige's spare change pocket and never even knew why.
 
2022-05-21 3:50:58 PM  

phalamir: hubiestubert: The cinematic DC Universe is the Island of Misfit Toys. It has no center, it has no base, it's just a bunch of competing properties.

Or, more precisely, Marvel is a substudio within Disney.  Marvel movies are all goslings under Marvel Studio's wing.  So when resources are being divvied up, Mama Marvel grabs as much as she can and then can distribute it as needed for her babies.  But DC has nothing comparable in WB.  Every movie is on its own, competing not only with every other DC movie, but every other movie trying to lick WB's taint.  Superman: Retelling the Most Retold Origin Story For the 267,439th Time is duking it out with Batman: Retelling the Second Most Retold Origin Story For the 24,804th Time But With Enough GrimDark to Make Even Chaos Space Marines Tell You to Put Down the Edgelord Pipe, while Generic RomComs are circling them, shivs out.  Thor: Step On Me, Biceps Lady just had a bunch of Disney money dropped in its lap from Kevin Feige's spare change pocket and never even knew why.


It doesn't even come with a free frogurt
 
2022-05-21 6:59:52 PM  
DC is actually rising, while Marvel is falling.
 
2022-05-21 7:05:51 PM  

ArkAngel: phalamir: hubiestubert: The cinematic DC Universe is the Island of Misfit Toys. It has no center, it has no base, it's just a bunch of competing properties.

Or, more precisely, Marvel is a substudio within Disney.  Marvel movies are all goslings under Marvel Studio's wing.  So when resources are being divvied up, Mama Marvel grabs as much as she can and then can distribute it as needed for her babies.  But DC has nothing comparable in WB.  Every movie is on its own, competing not only with every other DC movie, but every other movie trying to lick WB's taint.  Superman: Retelling the Most Retold Origin Story For the 267,439th Time is duking it out with Batman: Retelling the Second Most Retold Origin Story For the 24,804th Time But With Enough GrimDark to Make Even Chaos Space Marines Tell You to Put Down the Edgelord Pipe, while Generic RomComs are circling them, shivs out.  Thor: Step On Me, Biceps Lady just had a bunch of Disney money dropped in its lap from Kevin Feige's spare change pocket and never even knew why.

It doesn't even come with a free frogurt


That's bad!
 
2022-05-21 7:06:45 PM  

WhippingBoi: DC is actually rising, while Marvel is falling.


The splash of a pond versus the crest of a tsunami.
 
2022-05-21 7:07:58 PM  

Summoner101: WhippingBoi: DC is actually rising, while Marvel is falling.

The splash of a pond versus the crest of a tsunami.


Fair enough. I agree. But still...
 
2022-05-21 7:11:06 PM  
DC needs a Christopher Reeves - both the similarly charismatic actor and his portrayal of Superman. It's fine to indulge in grim dark characters but do that with lesser knowns that are played against a strong moral center (even if they never share screentime).
 
2022-05-21 7:25:58 PM  
Nick Cage in a dual role as both Superman/Clark Kent and Lex Luthor.
 
2022-05-21 7:37:44 PM  

OkieDookie: Nick Cage in a dual role as both Superman/Clark Kent and Lex Luthor.


And the Lex Luthor role is made bald in post-production with the same tech used to remove Henry Cavill's mustache.
 
2022-05-21 7:39:36 PM  

Wobambo: DC needs a Christopher Reeves - both the similarly charismatic actor and his portrayal of Superman. It's fine to indulge in grim dark characters but do that with lesser knowns that are played against a strong moral center (even if they never share screentime).


They had one, Henry Cavill has superstar charisma. But Snyder doesn't like bright shiny anything so his Superman got dunked in the same toxic shading everything else Snyder has done in years has had.
 
2022-05-21 7:41:51 PM  

hubiestubert: Just dump the Grimdark.


Please yes.  Not forever and always, but use it sparingly.  Superhero movies are escapist entertainment.  When your life sucks, you can imagine falling into some radioactive goop and then kicking the shiat out of all the world's bad guys while uttering cool quips.

Grimdark is interesting, not fun.
 
2022-05-21 7:47:22 PM  
Doom Patrol is the single best comic adaptation of all time of any imprint
 
2022-05-21 8:04:10 PM  

Barton Fink: Doom Patrol is the single best comic adaptation of all time of any imprint


They got Danny the Street and Flex Mentallo right, dammit. And Brandon Frasier is a gift to DC all wrapped up in a  chunky red wrapper. It has been a genuine pleasure to see how that series will roll out the accumulated weirdness of DC, without getting straight to Cain and Abel and the House of Mystery or the House of Secrets. Which TOTALLY need a reboot in series form after the success of Peacemaker. Cripes, work in some Doctor Fate and Zantana for good measure.

Just go weird on that sh*t. And have a good time with it. THAT is really what makes Doom Patrol, and Peacemaker so much fun for live action stuff. They're having a great time with it. And it shows.

The animated fare has been great, and BTAS set the bar high, and Timms held those shows together with a steady hand, and if only the movies had that sort of guiding hand, DC would be punching heavy against Marvel...but they don't. They're not as disjointed as the Universal Monsters universe by any means, but with some solid leadership, instead of the free for all scramble that they've got going on, they'd be in the same weight class at least. Because, let's face it: the Marvel animated series have, overall, been terrible. I don't count Into the Spiderverse as in that animated series umbrella though. THAT was a damn love letter.

And that's what DC needs. It needs fans directing. It needs folks who LOVE the material. Who breathe it. Who just soak it up and love it for all that it is. Hiring directors that DON'T love the comics doesn't do them any favors, and the lack of enthusiasm as they try to be 'more' than the comics that they're supposed to be celebrating...fans get that vibe. They keep hiring directors who don't love the material.
 
2022-05-21 8:16:07 PM  
They canceled Legends of Tomorrow, which, other than the animated HBOMax content, is all that held interest. The Crisis on Infinite Earths adaptation was pretty great.
 
2022-05-21 8:30:30 PM  
I want an Owlman / Ultraman series because Earth 3 is cool. The black beetle \ earth 3 Booster gold reveal was fun.   I know that makes me evil.
 
2022-05-21 8:49:54 PM  
Ironically (?) DC actually righted the ship a bit with the 1st Wonder Woman, Shazam, The Suicide Squad, and Peacemaker all being at least pretty good. Even Snyder Cut got better than expected reviews. But "You never get a 2nd chance to make a 1st impression" is a saying for a reason

Also the article writer saying Marvel never has behind the scenes drama wasn't paying much attention until a few years ago.
 
2022-05-21 8:52:22 PM  
They let Snyder have free reign and allowed him to bring in Steve Mnuchin.  Man of Steel was a great movie desperately trying to happen while Snyder dragged it down with his stupid Randian philosophies.  Batman v Superman had some good ideas buried under a pile of style over substance.  DC stumbled out of the gate and have been trying to regain their footing ever since.  As another Farker pointed out, the R rated material has been surprisingly good and the lighter films have been well received, so maybe the solution is to work on finding a good formula for the main films and use the adult material to separate themselves from the MCU.
 
2022-05-21 8:58:06 PM  

WhippingBoi: DC is actually rising, while Marvel is falling.


It's easy to rise from the Marianas Trench and the only place to go from Mount Everest is space
 
2022-05-21 8:59:59 PM  

WhippingBoi: DC is actually rising, while Marvel is falling.


At the rate DC is rising and Marvel is falling DC will overtake them by the time Baron Trump is President
 
2022-05-21 9:05:57 PM  
hubiestubert:

DC animated is the gold standard of superhero entertainment. DC live action is the gold standard in sucking at superhero entertainment.

My advice is have the animation team write and storyboard a script and have it filmed in live action. shoot any executive that tries to offer a note with expired mayonnaise and offal from a fire hose.
 
2022-05-21 9:22:41 PM  

WhippingBoi: DC is actually rising, while Marvel is falling.


Marvel released four movies in 2021. They were the number 1, 2, 4, and 6 top grossing movies of the year.
 
2022-05-21 9:29:39 PM  

Wobambo: DC needs a Christopher Reeves - both the similarly charismatic actor and his portrayal of Superman. It's fine to indulge in grim dark characters but do that with lesser knowns that are played against a strong moral center (even if they never share screentime).


A Christopher Reeves for DC would function more like Robert Downey Jr, he'd be the charismatic center of the whole thing. It's easier for a football team to be winners if they have a superstar quarterback than if the whole team was made up of just 'good' players. I think it's the same with these cinematic universes. X-Men really got all its mileage from how popular Hugh Jackman was as Wolverine. If DC got an extremely personable lead as Superman then they could have something to build on.
 
2022-05-21 9:36:15 PM  

ArkAngel: WhippingBoi: DC is actually rising, while Marvel is falling.

Marvel released four movies in 2021. They were the number 1, 2, 4, and 6 top grossing movies of the year.


"The number one movie was called: Ass. And that's all it was for 90 mins. It won eight oscars that year including best screenplay."

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2022-05-21 9:47:16 PM  

hubiestubert: If by 'cursed' you mean lacking in anything looking like a central sort of voice with producers to watch over the franchise, and rein in directors and actors, as well as give guidance to those directors and actors, and set the tone for productions as a whole, then yeah, they're cursed.

The cinematic DC Universe is the Island of Misfit Toys. It has no center, it has no base, it's just a bunch of competing properties. Oddly enough, the raunchier of the properties, Doom Patrol, Peacemaker, and the various Harley Quinn vehicles all seem to be less hotbeds of controversy--with the exception of Jared Leto. Seriously, maybe folks in Hollywood need to stop casting this guy for anything OTHER than voice work in a booth. Alone.

Seriously. Just dump the Grimdark. It ain't healthy. Too many folks who are encouraged to be edgelords, and they're surprised that it goes squiffy? Shazam worked out fine.


Just turn over all of the IP over to the people that do the Lego movies.  Lego Batman was the best Batman movie that's been made, and will probably be the best one they every make.  It was fun, funny, and a great time.  Expand that out to their other heroes, and we're onto something.

/Although bringing us Gal Gadot is something I have to laud them for...
 
2022-05-21 9:50:50 PM  
Cursed? No, that abrogates responsibility.

The people running DC/WB are largely incompetent.
 
2022-05-21 9:56:04 PM  

WhippingBoi: ArkAngel: WhippingBoi: DC is actually rising, while Marvel is falling.

Marvel released four movies in 2021. They were the number 1, 2, 4, and 6 top grossing movies of the year.

"The number one movie was called: Ass. And that's all it was for 90 mins. It won eight oscars that year including best screenplay."

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Lol, quit trying to act like WB is some indie house studio trying to make it in the scary world.

If Disney is McDonalds, WB is Carl's Jr.. Just because less people like your favorite thing doesn't make it better, either.
 
2022-05-21 10:19:04 PM  

Barton Fink: Doom Patrol is the single best comic adaptation of all time of any imprint


Titans is really good, Legends of Tomorrow is done well (although canceled now) and Stargirl has been what it should be (campy fun) so they can do things right, just not in movies for some reason.

People need to quit comparing them to Marvel, though. I get they are both big superhero stomping grounds, but they are not equal, and as the writer noted what happened with Marvel was basically once-in-a-lifetime lightning in a bottle occurrence and DC shouldn't have tried to emulate it.

Plus, people take movies WAY too seriously and if it doesn't mean 100% of their expectations then they won't give it a 6 or 7, they go straight for zero and say so-and-so ruined their favorite comic book hero
 
2022-05-21 10:32:12 PM  

TDWCom29: Ironically (?) DC actually righted the ship a bit with the 1st Wonder Woman, Shazam, The Suicide Squad, and Peacemaker all being at least pretty good. Even Snyder Cut got better than expected reviews. But "You never get a 2nd chance to make a 1st impression" is a saying for a reason

Also the article writer saying Marvel never has behind the scenes drama wasn't paying much attention until a few years ago.


WBDiscovery reportedly wants its own Kevin Feige, but no way are they going to let that person have the same level of creative control and autonomy. So yeah, DC is still screwed
 
2022-05-21 10:33:51 PM  
From a TMZ link in the article about Ezra's behavior:

One of Ezra's alleged victims tells cops Ezra attacked him, spitting in his face and going nuts ... and when cops question Ezra, they claim they got assaulted and started filming because, "I film myself when I get assaulted for NFT crypto art."
Ezra raises their voice as they demand names and badge numbers from the officers, but the police ignore them and go back to the alleged victim, who claims he was playing darts and minding his own business when Ezra came up and spit on him.
Once Ezra understands they're the one getting busted for disorderly conduct and harassment, they ask why and again repeat their claim that they were the one who was assaulted.

Ezra also tells police they were complying, but they tell them they weren't ... and when Ezra asks what they did wrong they tell them they're getting cuffed because they allegedly spit in someone's face.



I thought I was having a stroke while reading that.  I couldn't figure out who said or did what until I realized Ezra's pronouns must be they/them. The single perpetrator is them but the multiple victims and police were referred to in the singular but not named. What a confusing mess.
 
2022-05-21 11:09:21 PM  

centrifugal bumblepuppy: TDWCom29: Ironically (?) DC actually righted the ship a bit with the 1st Wonder Woman, Shazam, The Suicide Squad, and Peacemaker all being at least pretty good. Even Snyder Cut got better than expected reviews. But "You never get a 2nd chance to make a 1st impression" is a saying for a reason

Also the article writer saying Marvel never has behind the scenes drama wasn't paying much attention until a few years ago.

WBDiscovery reportedly wants its own Kevin Feige, but no way are they going to let that person have the same level of creative control and autonomy. So yeah, DC is still screwed


Feige didn't really have full control until a few years ago and they did pretty well with the by-committee approach until he did. So you never know
 
2022-05-21 11:19:46 PM  

hubiestubert: If by 'cursed' you mean lacking in anything looking like a central sort of voice with producers to watch over the franchise, and rein in directors and actors, as well as give guidance to those directors and actors, and set the tone for productions as a whole, then yeah, they're cursed.

The cinematic DC Universe is the Island of Misfit Toys. It has no center, it has no base, it's just a bunch of competing properties. Oddly enough, the raunchier of the properties, Doom Patrol, Peacemaker, and the various Harley Quinn vehicles all seem to be less hotbeds of controversy--with the exception of Jared Leto. Seriously, maybe folks in Hollywood need to stop casting this guy for anything OTHER than voice work in a booth. Alone.

Seriously. Just dump the Grimdark. It ain't healthy. Too many folks who are encouraged to be edgelords, and they're surprised that it goes squiffy? Shazam worked out fine.


Sinbad was awesome in that.
 
2022-05-21 11:44:37 PM  

Ragin' Asian: They canceled Legends of Tomorrow


Praise Beebo... but that show was crap.  It just had the benefit of knowing it was crap, and everyone enjoying the hell out of it.  But still crap, and there is a limit to how long 'having fun with it' could carry it.
 
2022-05-22 12:56:59 AM  
I was hoping Cavill would get another Superman movie and they would finally do a Brainiac movie.
 
2022-05-22 2:07:06 AM  

hubiestubert: Barton Fink: Doom Patrol is the single best comic adaptation of all time of any imprint

They got Danny the Street and Flex Mentallo right, dammit. And Brandon Frasier is a gift to DC all wrapped up in a  chunky red wrapper. It has been a genuine pleasure to see how that series will roll out the accumulated weirdness of DC, without getting straight to Cain and Abel and the House of Mystery or the House of Secrets. Which TOTALLY need a reboot in series form after the success of Peacemaker. Cripes, work in some Doctor Fate and Zantana for good measure.

Just go weird on that sh*t. And have a good time with it. THAT is really what makes Doom Patrol, and Peacemaker so much fun for live action stuff. They're having a great time with it. And it shows.

The animated fare has been great, and BTAS set the bar high, and Timms held those shows together with a steady hand, and if only the movies had that sort of guiding hand, DC would be punching heavy against Marvel...but they don't. They're not as disjointed as the Universal Monsters universe by any means, but with some solid leadership, instead of the free for all scramble that they've got going on, they'd be in the same weight class at least. Because, let's face it: the Marvel animated series have, overall, been terrible. I don't count Into the Spiderverse as in that animated series umbrella though. THAT was a damn love letter.

And that's what DC needs. It needs fans directing. It needs folks who LOVE the material. Who breathe it. Who just soak it up and love it for all that it is. Hiring directors that DON'T love the comics doesn't do them any favors, and the lack of enthusiasm as they try to be 'more' than the comics that they're supposed to be celebrating...fans get that vibe. They keep hiring directors who don't love the material.


You take that back about the Marvel animated shows. X-Men was better than BTAS and I'll fight you over it.
 
2022-05-22 4:44:53 AM  
It's nothing the $200 million budgeted Kiteman origin story starring Andy Dick won't cure.
 
2022-05-22 4:50:36 AM  

Lusiphur: You take that back about the Marvel animated shows. X-Men was better than BTAS and I'll fight you over it.


Oh, it ON then. 4:30, behind the barber shop. Bring a towel for your teeth, Old Son. ;)
 
2022-05-22 4:54:25 AM  

Wobambo: DC needs a Christopher Reeves - both the similarly charismatic actor and his portrayal of Superman. It's fine to indulge in grim dark characters but do that with lesser knowns that are played against a strong moral center (even if they never share screentime).


A Chris Reeves ? A Chris Evans would be enough.
 
2022-05-22 5:01:27 AM  

WhippingBoi: ArkAngel: WhippingBoi: DC is actually rising, while Marvel is falling.

Marvel released four movies in 2021. They were the number 1, 2, 4, and 6 top grossing movies of the year.

"The number one movie was called: Ass. And that's all it was for 90 mins. It won eight oscars that year including best screenplay."

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Hi, so you are taking "raising and failing" in SUBJECTIVE terms, boy objective?

That's convenient.
 
2022-05-22 5:06:58 AM  

padraig: WhippingBoi: ArkAngel: WhippingBoi: DC is actually rising, while Marvel is falling.

Marvel released four movies in 2021. They were the number 1, 2, 4, and 6 top grossing movies of the year.

"The number one movie was called: Ass. And that's all it was for 90 mins. It won eight oscars that year including best screenplay."

[i.ytimg.com image 480x360]

Hi, so you are taking "raising and failing" in SUBJECTIVE terms, boy objective?

That's convenient.


NOT objective.

Seriously, autocorrect?
 
2022-05-22 5:16:11 AM  

padraig: Wobambo: DC needs a Christopher Reeves - both the similarly charismatic actor and his portrayal of Superman. It's fine to indulge in grim dark characters but do that with lesser knowns that are played against a strong moral center (even if they never share screentime).

A Chris Reeves ? A Chris Evans would be enough.


Cavill was fine, it was the scripts/plot/direction that sucked.

Clark standing and watching his adopted father die needlessly because of paranoia might be fine for an elseworld origins story, but you aren't doing Superman anymore.
 
2022-05-22 5:25:04 AM  

You'd turn it off when I was halfway across: padraig: Wobambo: DC needs a Christopher Reeves - both the similarly charismatic actor and his portrayal of Superman. It's fine to indulge in grim dark characters but do that with lesser knowns that are played against a strong moral center (even if they never share screentime).

A Chris Reeves ? A Chris Evans would be enough.

Cavill was fine, it was the scripts/plot/direction that sucked.

Clark standing and watching his adopted father die needlessly because of paranoia might be fine for an elseworld origins story, but you aren't doing Superman anymore.


Well, he deserved it for telling Superman he didn't owe people anything, and he should not help them.
 
2022-05-22 5:53:22 AM  

padraig: You'd turn it off when I was halfway across: padraig: Wobambo: DC needs a Christopher Reeves - both the similarly charismatic actor and his portrayal of Superman. It's fine to indulge in grim dark characters but do that with lesser knowns that are played against a strong moral center (even if they never share screentime).

A Chris Reeves ? A Chris Evans would be enough.

Cavill was fine, it was the scripts/plot/direction that sucked.

Clark standing and watching his adopted father die needlessly because of paranoia might be fine for an elseworld origins story, but you aren't doing Superman anymore.

Well, he deserved it for telling Superman he didn't owe people anything, and he should not help them.


He also wanted it. His dad did the suicide to keep the secret.
 
2022-05-22 5:58:03 AM  

AppleOptionEsc: padraig: You'd turn it off when I was halfway across: padraig: Wobambo: DC needs a Christopher Reeves - both the similarly charismatic actor and his portrayal of Superman. It's fine to indulge in grim dark characters but do that with lesser knowns that are played against a strong moral center (even if they never share screentime).

A Chris Reeves ? A Chris Evans would be enough.

Cavill was fine, it was the scripts/plot/direction that sucked.

Clark standing and watching his adopted father die needlessly because of paranoia might be fine for an elseworld origins story, but you aren't doing Superman anymore.

Well, he deserved it for telling Superman he didn't owe people anything, and he should not help them.

He also wanted it. His dad did the suicide to keep the secret.


Dances with Tornado did it to get out of that terrible franchise.
 
2022-05-22 9:18:00 AM  

Wine Sipping Elitist: From a TMZ link in the article about Ezra's behavior:

One of Ezra's alleged victims tells cops Ezra attacked him, spitting in his face and going nuts ... and when cops question Ezra, they claim they got assaulted and started filming because, "I film myself when I get assaulted for NFT crypto art."
Ezra raises their voice as they demand names and badge numbers from the officers, but the police ignore them and go back to the alleged victim, who claims he was playing darts and minding his own business when Ezra came up and spit on him.
Once Ezra understands they're the one getting busted for disorderly conduct and harassment, they ask why and again repeat their claim that they were the one who was assaulted.

Ezra also tells police they were complying, but they tell them they weren't ... and when Ezra asks what they did wrong they tell them they're getting cuffed because they allegedly spit in someone's face.


I thought I was having a stroke while reading that.  I couldn't figure out who said or did what until I realized Ezra's pronouns must be they/them. The single perpetrator is them but the multiple victims and police were referred to in the singular but not named. What a confusing mess.


Thanks, trans people!
 
2022-05-22 9:23:39 AM  

TDWCom29: centrifugal bumblepuppy: TDWCom29: Ironically (?) DC actually righted the ship a bit with the 1st Wonder Woman, Shazam, The Suicide Squad, and Peacemaker all being at least pretty good. Even Snyder Cut got better than expected reviews. But "You never get a 2nd chance to make a 1st impression" is a saying for a reason

Also the article writer saying Marvel never has behind the scenes drama wasn't paying much attention until a few years ago.

WBDiscovery reportedly wants its own Kevin Feige, but no way are they going to let that person have the same level of creative control and autonomy. So yeah, DC is still screwed

Feige didn't really have full control until a few years ago and they did pretty well with the by-committee approach until he did. So you never know


Eh, all the phase 1 MCU films are considered at the bottom of the list, except for the original Iron Man. Hulk, Thor 1 and 2, Iron Man 2 and 3 are generally considered some of the1 worst MCU movies.
 
2022-05-22 9:28:39 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: TDWCom29: centrifugal bumblepuppy: TDWCom29: Ironically (?) DC actually righted the ship a bit with the 1st Wonder Woman, Shazam, The Suicide Squad, and Peacemaker all being at least pretty good. Even Snyder Cut got better than expected reviews. But "You never get a 2nd chance to make a 1st impression" is a saying for a reason

Also the article writer saying Marvel never has behind the scenes drama wasn't paying much attention until a few years ago.

WBDiscovery reportedly wants its own Kevin Feige, but no way are they going to let that person have the same level of creative control and autonomy. So yeah, DC is still screwed

Feige didn't really have full control until a few years ago and they did pretty well with the by-committee approach until he did. So you never know

Eh, all the phase 1 MCU films are considered at the bottom of the list, except for the original Iron Man. Hulk, Thor 1 and 2, Iron Man 2 and 3 are generally considered some of the1 worst MCU movies.


You're leaving out the 1st Avengers, Winter Soldier, and 1st Guardians movie. Which are all still considered among the best. The track record frankly isn't that much different now. There's just a lot more
 
2022-05-22 9:51:56 AM  

hubiestubert: If by 'cursed' you mean lacking in anything looking like a central sort of voice with producers to watch over the franchise, and rein in directors and actors, as well as give guidance to those directors and actors, and set the tone for productions as a whole, then yeah, they're cursed.

The cinematic DC Universe is the Island of Misfit Toys. It has no center, it has no base, it's just a bunch of competing properties. Oddly enough, the raunchier of the properties, Doom Patrol, Peacemaker, and the various Harley Quinn vehicles all seem to be less hotbeds of controversy--with the exception of Jared Leto. Seriously, maybe folks in Hollywood need to stop casting this guy for anything OTHER than voice work in a booth. Alone.

Seriously. Just dump the Grimdark. It ain't healthy. Too many folks who are encouraged to be edgelords, and they're surprised that it goes squiffy? Shazam worked out fine.


Doom Patrol is pretty grim-dark, but it earns the grim-dark instead of just assuming it.

/every character is a bit of a clusterfk for different reasons.
//and trying to come to terms with it.
///more like group therapy for a mad scientist's creations
 
2022-05-22 9:56:35 AM  

TDWCom29: Tyrone Slothrop: TDWCom29: centrifugal bumblepuppy: TDWCom29: Ironically (?) DC actually righted the ship a bit with the 1st Wonder Woman, Shazam, The Suicide Squad, and Peacemaker all being at least pretty good. Even Snyder Cut got better than expected reviews. But "You never get a 2nd chance to make a 1st impression" is a saying for a reason

Also the article writer saying Marvel never has behind the scenes drama wasn't paying much attention until a few years ago.

WBDiscovery reportedly wants its own Kevin Feige, but no way are they going to let that person have the same level of creative control and autonomy. So yeah, DC is still screwed

Feige didn't really have full control until a few years ago and they did pretty well with the by-committee approach until he did. So you never know

Eh, all the phase 1 MCU films are considered at the bottom of the list, except for the original Iron Man. Hulk, Thor 1 and 2, Iron Man 2 and 3 are generally considered some of the1 worst MCU movies.

You're leaving out the 1st Avengers, Winter Soldier, and 1st Guardians movie. Which are all still considered among the best. The track record frankly isn't that much different now. There's just a lot more


Those are Phase 2.
 
2022-05-22 10:36:24 AM  
Ok, I'll bite.

The first comic I read was a Ditko "Hawk and Dove", I don't really remember it only
that the Dove cried a lot. My second was a Romita "Amazing Spider-Man No:81".

Even as an avowed Marvel Zombie, I think the whole team sport thing is astonishingly stupid.
(which reminds me of Perez's passing, I was really into his "Gauntlet" stuff, but, I also did appreciate "Crisis").

I would love if WB/DC would be able to go toe to toe with the Mouse theatrically wise, it's like the week when I
accidentally-ed into a PS5 and a XBOX X both in the same week. It would be a win/win for the fans.

But since there is going to be another acquisition along with the behind the scenes nonsense, I think
they're back at 2006 again.

/also that team is pretty useless when they only have one star player on the squad.
//and their output reminds me of this:
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