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2022-05-21 12:11:22 PM  
"Rogue One" came out 42 years ago?

/ trolling ... am I?
 
2022-05-21 12:27:18 PM  
Someone once observed that The Empire Strikes Back is really the worst Star Wars film, because it made us all believe that Star Wars was something that it wasn't.
 
2022-05-21 12:29:07 PM  

thatguyoverthere70: Someone once observed that The Empire Strikes Back is really the worst Star Wars film, because it made us all believe that Star Wars was something that it wasn't.


So, ESB and The Last Jedi are the odd movies out?
 
2022-05-21 12:32:38 PM  
I've told this story before on Fark:
42 years ago today, standing in a long line with my wife waiting for the second showing on opening day of the best Star Wars film, we were dealt the worst spoiler possible in that era. A kid @10-12 years old with his dad, standing in line near us, and as the line starts to move the kid suddenly loudly blurts out to his dad, "Can you believe Darth Vader is Luke's father?!"
 
2022-05-21 12:34:11 PM  

Badmoodman: I've told this story before on Fark:
42 years ago today, standing in a long line with my wife waiting for the second showing on opening day of the best Star Wars film, we were dealt the worst spoiler possible in that era. A kid @10-12 years old with his dad, standing in line near us, and as the line starts to move the kid suddenly loudly blurts out to his dad, "Can you believe Darth Vader is Luke's father?!"


Perhaps the worst spoiler today.

I wonder if people seeing the crowds coming out of Infinity War could tell that something was very, very wrong.
 
2022-05-21 12:55:13 PM  

Badmoodman: I've told this story before on Fark:
42 years ago today, standing in a long line with my wife waiting for the second showing on opening day of the best Star Wars film, we were dealt the worst spoiler possible in that era. A kid @10-12 years old with his dad, standing in line near us, and as the line starts to move the kid suddenly loudly blurts out to his dad, "Can you believe Darth Vader is Luke's father?!"


It makes me sad that you've chosen to be dead to me

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2022-05-21 1:08:40 PM  

bostonguy: Badmoodman: I've told this story before on Fark:
42 years ago today, standing in a long line with my wife waiting for the second showing on opening day of the best Star Wars film, we were dealt the worst spoiler possible in that era. A kid @10-12 years old with his dad, standing in line near us, and as the line starts to move the kid suddenly loudly blurts out to his dad, "Can you believe Darth Vader is Luke's father?!"

Perhaps the worst spoiler today.

I wonder if people seeing the crowds coming out of Infinity War could tell that something was very, very wrong.


These days we can rely on the cast themselves spoil the movie for us, especially Marvel (see: Mark "Livestreamed The First 10 Minutes of His Own Movie Premiere" Ruffalo, Tom "Spoiler-Man" Holland)
 
2022-05-21 3:29:19 PM  
Hot take: Star Wars *isn't* stuck in ESB's shadow; the problem is that some want to stay stuck in its shadow. They're too afraid to step outside of it at all.

Look at the Sequel Trilogy. Even though it takes place 30 years following the OT, the in-universe technology is still stuck in the late 1970s/early 1980s. It's as if they made "Star Trek: The Next Generation" featuring the exact same in-universe technology as "Star Trek: The Original Series".

Disney went into the Sequel Trilogy primarily pandering to the OT purists/Prequel bashers, and they learned the hard way that those people weren't numerous, they were simply *loud*.
 
2022-05-21 4:59:02 PM  

bostonguy: "Rogue One" came out 42 years ago?

/ trolling ... am I?


It's subject to opinion, but not so far from reasonable that you should be mocked for believing it.  It's a good movie, it doesn't recycle Skywalkers or engage in fan service that damages the story.  It takes some liberties with canon that can tweak a hardcore fan's sensibilities, but you have to ignore the radicals in any discussion regardless.

I'd go so far as to say you could pair it up with the original movie and have quite the enjoyable double-feature... though I think it would still work best to watch them in reverse chronological order.  Rogue One doesn't have quite the same impact if you don't have the background of A New Hope first.
 
2022-05-21 5:22:25 PM  

Badmoodman: I've told this story before on Fark:
42 years ago today, standing in a long line with my wife waiting for the second showing on opening day of the best Star Wars film, we were dealt the worst spoiler possible in that era. A kid @10-12 years old with his dad, standing in line near us, and as the line starts to move the kid suddenly loudly blurts out to his dad, "Can you believe Darth Vader is Luke's father?!"


Eleven-year-old me missed that sequence because I had to pee really bad and I was in the men's room when all that went down onscreen. Probably not the best idea to chug a 7-11 Big Gulp of soda prior to the show.
 
2022-05-21 5:34:00 PM  

Badmoodman: I've told this story before on Fark:
42 years ago today, standing in a long line with my wife waiting for the second showing on opening day of the best Star Wars film, we were dealt the worst spoiler possible in that era. A kid @10-12 years old with his dad, standing in line near us, and as the line starts to move the kid suddenly loudly blurts out to his dad, "Can you believe Darth Vader is Luke's father?!"


Simpsons did it!

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2022-05-21 5:36:56 PM  
ESB is a great film, but I humbly submit Rebels as peak Star Wars.
 
2022-05-21 5:44:48 PM  
Peak Star Wars is the current state which started when Rebels started airing. It is not in theaters it's on streaming, where it belongs.
 
2022-05-21 5:47:41 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: Hot take: Star Wars *isn't* stuck in ESB's shadow; the problem is that some want to stay stuck in its shadow. They're too afraid to step outside of it at all.

Look at the Sequel Trilogy. Even though it takes place 30 years following the OT, the in-universe technology is still stuck in the late 1970s/early 1980s. It's as if they made "Star Trek: The Next Generation" featuring the exact same in-universe technology as "Star Trek: The Original Series".

Disney went into the Sequel Trilogy primarily pandering to the OT purists/Prequel bashers, and they learned the hard way that those people weren't numerous, they were simply *loud*.


Star Wars isn't about the technology. Keeping an uniform appearance works much better for it
 
2022-05-21 5:48:14 PM  
WTF???

The Last Jedi was released in 2017.
 
2022-05-21 6:09:00 PM  

SuperChuck: Bith Set Me Up: Hot take: Star Wars *isn't* stuck in ESB's shadow; the problem is that some want to stay stuck in its shadow. They're too afraid to step outside of it at all.

Look at the Sequel Trilogy. Even though it takes place 30 years following the OT, the in-universe technology is still stuck in the late 1970s/early 1980s. It's as if they made "Star Trek: The Next Generation" featuring the exact same in-universe technology as "Star Trek: The Original Series".

Disney went into the Sequel Trilogy primarily pandering to the OT purists/Prequel bashers, and they learned the hard way that those people weren't numerous, they were simply *loud*.

Star Wars isn't about the technology. Keeping an uniform appearance works much better for it


There's no in-universe growth or development in the ST, they simply snapped things to the way they were in the OT, so when you actually think it, our heroes are worse off at the start of the ST than they were at the start of the OT.
 
2022-05-21 6:11:50 PM  

thatguyoverthere70: Someone once observed that The Empire Strikes Back is really the worst Star Wars film, because it made us all believe that Star Wars was something that it wasn't.


I've come around to this as well, although not as clickbaity. Ewoks aside (which I loved as a kid), Return of the Jedi is still pretty great, especially editing together the three different sequences at the end. But there's no real reason why the whole franchise should have gone more than one movie. It got worse and worse as it went.
 
2022-05-21 6:23:41 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: SuperChuck: Bith Set Me Up: Hot take: Star Wars *isn't* stuck in ESB's shadow; the problem is that some want to stay stuck in its shadow. They're too afraid to step outside of it at all.

Look at the Sequel Trilogy. Even though it takes place 30 years following the OT, the in-universe technology is still stuck in the late 1970s/early 1980s. It's as if they made "Star Trek: The Next Generation" featuring the exact same in-universe technology as "Star Trek: The Original Series".

Disney went into the Sequel Trilogy primarily pandering to the OT purists/Prequel bashers, and they learned the hard way that those people weren't numerous, they were simply *loud*.

Star Wars isn't about the technology. Keeping an uniform appearance works much better for it

There's no in-universe growth or development in the ST, they simply snapped things to the way they were in the OT, so when you actually think it, our heroes are worse off at the start of the ST than they were at the start of the OT.


Another, aspect to consider (technology wise) is that the SW galaxy has been in a state of stagnation/regression after the fall of the Republic.
Compare the advanced technologies we in the prequels (Kamino/Naboo/Coruscant). After the Empire takes over it appears a shift was made towards war production primarily. That's how you get neat Star Destroyers while everything else looks like shiat. Pay close attention to the look of Rebels, Rogue One, and the OT.
 
2022-05-21 6:32:06 PM  
TLJ came out in '17, that's the peak of the franchise...
 
2022-05-21 6:43:22 PM  
Sorry, but this was peak Star Wars.

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2022-05-21 7:38:15 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: ESB is a great film, but I humbly submit Rebels as peak Star Wars.


Bold statement... but I agree Rebels was an exceptionally good show its last two seasons.

Really, it started with "Twilight of the Apprentice" in season 2, with some good episodes here and there before then, too.
 
2022-05-21 9:26:04 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: Look at the Sequel Trilogy. Even though it takes place 30 years following the OT, the in-universe technology is still stuck in the late 1970s/early 1980s. It's as if they made "Star Trek: The Next Generation" featuring the exact same in-universe technology as "Star Trek: The Original Series".


Dude, they literally invented a new form of hyperspace tracking that the characters are amazed at, and will forever change the old "jump to hyperspace and we're safe from the bad guys now" trope.
 
2022-05-21 9:37:57 PM  
Random thought:  all the fanboys complain that "the ending of ROTJ is meaningless now" because the galaxy didn't suddenly become peaceful again -- even though that didn't happen in the EU, the war just continued on with Thrawn taking the place of the Emperor.

If the existence of the First Order feels wrong to you, it's remarkably similar to what has happened in the real world with Russia.  When the Soviet Union fell in 1989, I was a kid and there was this feeling of "the good guys won, the evil Empire is gone, it will never return, and things will be better now."  But thirty years later, the evil Empire reformed.  The world viewed Putin's Russia as a regional bully that could be dealt with pragmatically.  But then it decided to lash out with sudden bloody violence because one madman wants to rebuild the old Empire.

That's basically the First Order in a nutshell.  The First Order took thirty years to get organized, but then terrorized the galaxy for about a year or so after reemerging, so let's hope Putin suffers the same fate as Hux and Pryde.

As for the fanboys who whine that "Darth Vader's sacrifice is meaningless now," what the hell are you on about?

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2022-05-21 9:42:40 PM  

Socrofece: Random thought:  all the fanboys complain that "the ending of ROTJ is meaningless now" because the galaxy didn't suddenly become peaceful again -- even though that didn't happen in the EU, the war just continued on with Thrawn taking the place of the Emperor.

If the existence of the First Order feels wrong to you, it's remarkably similar to what has happened in the real world with Russia.  When the Soviet Union fell in 1989, I was a kid and there was this feeling of "the good guys won, the evil Empire is gone, it will never return, and things will be better now."  But thirty years later, the evil Empire reformed.  The world viewed Putin's Russia as a regional bully that could be dealt with pragmatically.  But then it decided to lash out with sudden bloody violence because one madman wants to rebuild the old Empire.

That's basically the First Order in a nutshell.  The First Order took thirty years to get organized, but then terrorized the galaxy for about a year or so after reemerging, so let's hope Putin suffers the same fate as Hux and Pryde.

As for the fanboys who whine that "Darth Vader's sacrifice is meaningless now," what the hell are you on about?

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You're assuming that The Powers That Be went into the ST with something of a plan, when it so obviously wasn't the case.

https://www.cracked.com/article_27664_video-why-new-star-wars-trilogy-was-doomed-from-start.html
 
2022-05-21 9:57:22 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: You're assuming that The Powers That Be went into the ST with something of a plan, when it so obviously wasn't the case.


They had some broad ideas, but didn't have it set in stone.  Who cares?  They had more of a plan than Lucas, who operated completely on the fly.  There's NOTHING in the Sequels that's as continuity-destroying as "by the way, Leia's your sister" and "strike me down, and I will become more powerful than you could imagine -- wait, Alec Guinness is ill, so I won't, actually."

Rey being a Skywalker in name but not blood was talked about in 2014.  Palpatine's return was always in the cards, which is why Snoke had no backstory and the First Order didn't have a home planet to detract from Exegol.
 
2022-05-21 11:34:23 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: Hot take: Star Wars *isn't* stuck in ESB's shadow; the problem is that some want to stay stuck in its shadow. They're too afraid to step outside of it at all.

Look at the Sequel Trilogy. Even though it takes place 30 years following the OT, the in-universe technology is still stuck in the late 1970s/early 1980s. It's as if they made "Star Trek: The Next Generation" featuring the exact same in-universe technology as "Star Trek: The Original Series".

Disney went into the Sequel Trilogy primarily pandering to the OT purists/Prequel bashers, and they learned the hard way that those people weren't numerous, they were simply *loud*.


The tech thing is weird. R2-D2 is something like 70 years old by Rise of Skywalker and not only does he still work, but he can still operate space ships and plug into any computer. Meanwhile try to find a real computer that can read a CD-rom.
 
2022-05-22 12:12:06 AM  

mechgreg: The tech thing is weird. R2-D2 is something like 70 years old by Rise of Skywalker and not only does he still work, but he can still operate space ships and plug into any computer. Meanwhile try to find a real computer that can read a CD-rom.


Given we're talking about a galactic civilization, you have to imagine they've had high technology for a LONG time.  Tens of thousands of years.

There's a limit to how many times you're going to alter standards before they're "good enough" and not worth the trouble to upgrade, and I suspect that after 25Ky or so you'll have found even the history books don't recall when the USB 536.1 standard was set and everyone apparently said, "Yeah, let's just stick with this one".
 
2022-05-22 1:08:31 AM  
Ultimately, trying to rationalize technology in the Star Wars galaxy is futile, because Star Wars has always been an ancient myth that just happens to have futuristic trappings.   There's a deliberate dissonance between the actual storyline and the material of it.

It's pointless to ask questions like "why didn't Padme get an ultrasound to learn that she was having twins?" or "Why didn't Mace Windu bring a camera droid to record his confrontation with Palpatine and broadcast it on the internet?"

Because Star Wars is ancient.  It's magic swords, star chariots, wandering rogues, dark knights and evil wizards.  If you don't accept the meta aspect of it, you'll be spinning your wheels in fanboyish nonsense forever.
 
2022-05-22 1:53:14 AM  

Socrofece: Ultimately, trying to rationalize technology in the Star Wars galaxy is futile, because Star Wars has always been FICTION an ancient myth that just happens to have futuristic trappings.

 
2022-05-22 3:13:35 AM  

Bith Set Me Up: Hot take: Star Wars *isn't* stuck in ESB's shadow; the problem is that some want to stay stuck in its shadow. They're too afraid to step outside of it at all.

Look at the Sequel Trilogy. Even though it takes place 30 years following the OT, the in-universe technology is still stuck in the late 1970s/early 1980s. It's as if they made "Star Trek: The Next Generation" featuring the exact same in-universe technology as "Star Trek: The Original Series".

Disney went into the Sequel Trilogy primarily pandering to the OT purists/Prequel bashers, and they learned the hard way that those people weren't numerous, they were simply *loud*.


There is a point in technology where you cant really do new things, just try and make what is already around better and more efficient. Its like complaining that humans still use guns when we were using them 250 years ago.

And they basically did use the same tech in TNG as in OS, just...you know...more efficient and better versions of it
 
2022-05-22 8:37:28 AM  

Bslim: Bith Set Me Up: SuperChuck: Bith Set Me Up: Hot take: Star Wars *isn't* stuck in ESB's shadow; the problem is that some want to stay stuck in its shadow. They're too afraid to step outside of it at all.

Look at the Sequel Trilogy. Even though it takes place 30 years following the OT, the in-universe technology is still stuck in the late 1970s/early 1980s. It's as if they made "Star Trek: The Next Generation" featuring the exact same in-universe technology as "Star Trek: The Original Series".

Disney went into the Sequel Trilogy primarily pandering to the OT purists/Prequel bashers, and they learned the hard way that those people weren't numerous, they were simply *loud*.

Star Wars isn't about the technology. Keeping an uniform appearance works much better for it

There's no in-universe growth or development in the ST, they simply snapped things to the way they were in the OT, so when you actually think it, our heroes are worse off at the start of the ST than they were at the start of the OT.

Another, aspect to consider (technology wise) is that the SW galaxy has been in a state of stagnation/regression after the fall of the Republic.
Compare the advanced technologies we in the prequels (Kamino/Naboo/Coruscant). After the Empire takes over it appears a shift was made towards war production primarily. That's how you get neat Star Destroyers while everything else looks like shiat. Pay close attention to the look of Rebels, Rogue One, and the OT.


First off, despite the astronomical incorrectness of it all, it is a universe this happens over. You'd HAVE to have some sort of universality with your tech for commerce to occur.

Secondly, to add to the point about stagnation, I once read an article about what the financial & ecological impact of a Dearh Star would be, and it's utterly ridiculous. The universal economy & industry would be shot to shiat after losing two of them. (As is also pointed out elsewhere, the real-life examples in Communist countries, like Cuban cars and the like, bear this idea out on a much smaller scale.)
 
2022-05-22 8:44:03 AM  

Socrofece: Bith Set Me Up: You're assuming that The Powers That Be went into the ST with something of a plan, when it so obviously wasn't the case.

They had some broad ideas, but didn't have it set in stone.  Who cares?  They had more of a plan than Lucas, who operated completely on the fly.  There's NOTHING in the Sequels that's as continuity-destroying as "by the way, Leia's your sister" and "strike me down, and I will become more powerful than you could imagine -- wait, Alec Guinness is ill, so I won't, actually."

Rey being a Skywalker in name but not blood was talked about in 2014.  Palpatine's return was always in the cards, which is why Snoke had no backstory and the First Order didn't have a home planet to detract from Exegol.


It not just that the sequel did not have a plan, but they had incompatible plans and visions. Rey is a Palpatine could work. As could Rey as a nobody. But doing both does not. Bringing back Palpatine could work. The force is magic and the prequels not to mention the existence of force ghosts suggest it is possible.  But it is clear that it was not what they were going to do until the last minute. It is public knowledge that Palpatine was not in the early drafts of the movie.
 
2022-05-22 9:01:08 AM  

TheMysteriousStranger: It is public knowledge that Palpatine was not in the early drafts of the movie.


Rey was never a nobody.  I don't know a single person in real life who saw The Last Jedi and said "yup!  Kylo sure was telling the truth to her there. But why wasn't there a flashback showing her evil drunken parents laughing and guzzling some hooch while abandoning her?"

The movie spends a great deal of time showing you in detail that the past is not always what it seems, and that there can be multiple sides to a single story.  It shows you that Rey's greatest fear is not belonging, not having a connection to other people, and then having the villain use that fear to manipulate her.

If you believed what Kylo Ren was saying, you have the IQ of a toaster.

And actually, Palpatine was always there in some way, even if it was just as a ghost speaking from beyond the grave.
 
2022-05-22 9:32:29 AM  
I don't know.

I'm always weirded out when having a vague idea of what is going on behind the
scenes with the creative process, and the fans explaining/justifying the end product
as if it is actually tethered to reality.

I'll try my best to explain.

Strange how in TFA the Resistance are using the old tech that was even supposed to be obsolete
when first seen in ANH. (and why the eff is Leia's militia "The Resistance" any effing way?
What are they "resisting"? Shouldn't there be a standing army/armada for the New Republic)?

Some will say "ackshully" there was a pause in technological growth across the whole galaxy spanning
civilization. (????)

When we all know that in reality, they sidelined Lucas, K.K. had her personal agenda's she wanted to get out of the way, J.J. in his usual shallowness knew that having everything with the same iconic dressing will fool the audience and grant instant goodwill. (and R.J., whose motivations I do understand is an artistic terrorist)

So the only pause in reality were the creatives lack of creativity.

/tldr: I think it is a religion to some of the fans.
(why did Jesus cry out about being abandoned on the cross if he was divine?)
//well ackshully......
///a parsec is a measurement of distance and not time
////well ackshully they meant.......
 
2022-05-22 10:40:58 AM  

thatguyoverthere70: Someone once observed that The Empire Strikes Back is really the worst Star Wars film, because it made us all believe that Star Wars was something that it wasn't.


That just says there is no pleasing star wars fans, because even when something is good, it's just biatch biatch biatch overanalyze cry rinse and repeat
 
2022-05-22 10:50:22 AM  

Socrofece: Ultimately, trying to rationalize technology in the Star Wars galaxy is futile, because Star Wars has always been an ancient myth that just happens to have futuristic trappings.   There's a deliberate dissonance between the actual storyline and the material of it.

It's pointless to ask questions like "why didn't Padme get an ultrasound to learn that she was having twins?" or "Why didn't Mace Windu bring a camera droid to record his confrontation with Palpatine and broadcast it on the internet?"

Because Star Wars is ancient.  It's magic swords, star chariots, wandering rogues, dark knights and evil wizards.  If you don't accept the meta aspect of it, you'll be spinning your wheels in fanboyish nonsense forever.


I always imagine Homer telling Flanders "that's your problem, poindexter. You're thinking up here. You need to be thinking here."
Star Wars has always run on "shut up it works" and for years was more fun than Trek because it didn't have the fans who demanded everything be logically and scientifically accurate.
 
2022-05-22 11:04:42 AM  
CSB: As a quarantine project, I started working on a silent remix of ESB. 4:3 aspect ratio, tinting & toning, intertitles. I originally wanted to finish it in 2020 as an anniversary thing, but it's only graded and pan & scanned as of now. Here's what it looks like right now:

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2022-05-22 11:31:15 AM  

Karma Chameleon: That just says there is no pleasing star wars fans, because even when something is good, it's just biatch biatch biatch overanalyze cry rinse and repeat


Star Wars fans aren't biatching about it being good. One person said maybe it was so good it led us to believe Star Wars was a well planned out and deeply meaningful mythology rather than what it really was: a Flash Gordon inspired space fantasy for kids that was all being made up as they went along.

Catching lightning in a bottle usually happens by accident. When it happens twice in a row, it's natural to hope or expect the possibility that future installments will be equally as good. "If it happens twice, maybe it wasn't an accident. Maybe Lucas really knows what he's doing. The evidence presented by both movies suggests it to be true." The truth is that the first two movies set expectations higher than they should have been. It's no one's fault, really.
 
2022-05-22 11:32:54 AM  

Sunnove Amundsen: CSB: As a quarantine project, I started working on a silent remix of ESB. 4:3 aspect ratio, tinting & toning, intertitles. I originally wanted to finish it in 2020 as an anniversary thing, but it's only graded and pan & scanned as of now. Here's what it looks like right now:

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That is really cool. I would watch that.
 
2022-05-22 12:22:07 PM  

Socrofece: Rey was never a nobody. I don't know a single person in real life who saw The Last Jedi and said "yup! Kylo sure was telling the truth to her there.


You can mentally retcon the Star Wars sequel trilogy to fit into some grand coherent mythology if you want, but you can't retcon all the old Fark threads about TLJ. Most of its biggest fans thought it was the greatest idea ever that Rey was a "nobody" now, because Star Wars had "never, ever, ever had a nobody character who wasn't a Skywalker be a Jedi before".

I was one of the few who pointed out that A) even if you ignore Yoda and Kenobi, the prequels were full of nobody Jedis, and B) Rey was inevitably going to get a last name in the final movie that connected her to a main character. Both points were laughed at until RoS came out, and then JJ Abrams was labeled a terrible person for not leaving Rey a nobody as the great genius Rian Johnson had decreed.

Never mind that TFA had all but screamed that Rey was another Skywalker, either by being Kylo's sister or Luke's daughter, not just with Luke/Vader's saber calling out to her but by Disney branding the new trilogy the Skywalker Saga. All TLJ did was throw a wrench into that plan, forcing Abrams to make Rey a Palpatine and then just weirdly decide to call herself a Skywalker afterwards, rather than call herself Solo after the woman who actually helped train her and the would-be fascist boyfriend she almost had. (The only other options would have been to make her a Kenobi or a Jinn, but she wouldn't have rejected those names.)

It's been covered ad nauseum, but there was not a consistent storyline for the new trilogy because Johnson rejected a lot of Abrams' story notes. Abrams is too much of a company guy to really complain about it, but he's said more than once that TLJ didn't go in the directions he'd intended, and the awkward "Rey's a Skywalker now by choice!" ending was a weak make-good to justify the broken Skywalker Saga label. Taken as a whole, it's really the Palpatine Saga now.
 
2022-05-22 1:34:37 PM  
Look, man, all I know is that I'm watching the last part of The Rise of Skywalker for the thousandth time, very high on THC-zero distillate, damn near tripping balls.

The sequels are amazing. Honestly, I never thought I could feel this strongly about any movies ever again.  It is the old magic.

I have no doubt that Abrams and Johnson had some competing ideas, but in the end, it made the story more interesting.

It's like Illuvatar weaving his theme, Melkor adding a competing theme, and then Illuvatar weaving the two together to create something greater.

I see the whole universe right now, man.  Everything is exactly as it should be.  There is always a plan.  And I love you all.

^________^
 
2022-05-22 1:47:08 PM  

Socrofece: Look, man, all I know is that I'm watching the last part of The Rise of Skywalker for the thousandth time, very high on THC-zero distillate, damn near tripping balls.


Dude, that's great and I'm glad you're having a good time. Just remember that you're bringing a little extra something to the table, and it wasn't as much fun for those of us who sat through it enhancement-free. This might sound contradictory in a Star Wars thread, but if you want to keep loving those sequels, never fly solo.
 
2022-05-22 1:56:35 PM  
(Incidentally, "those of us" doesn't include me. I've seen the HISHEs for RoS and read some reviews, but still have no urge to watch the actual movie.)
 
2022-05-22 7:21:55 PM  
Yeah, but I still love it when I'm sober, too.

You are missing out.
 
2022-05-22 8:26:23 PM  

Socrofece: TheMysteriousStranger: It is public knowledge that Palpatine was not in the early drafts of the movie.

Rey was never a nobody.  I don't know a single person in real life who saw The Last Jedi and said "yup!  Kylo sure was telling the truth to her there.


"I am your father." Bet you believed the Dark Lord of the Sith a face value
 
2022-05-22 8:30:13 PM  

Socrofece: Look, man, all I know is that I'm watching the last part of The Rise of Skywalker for the thousandth time, very high on THC-zero distillate, damn near tripping balls.

The sequels are amazing.


You are reading said you were high, you didn't need to say it again,
 
2022-05-22 9:33:04 PM  

EdgeRunner: I've seen the HISHEs for RoS and read some reviews, but still have no urge to watch the actual movie.)


See, that's why people don't enjoy things anymore.  Your minds are full of online garbage, conditioned to see everything as a mistake, a joke to be parodied.

When I was in 7th grade, my friend and I discovered Tolkien.  We sat there for months talking excitedly about how The Lord of the Rings was the greatest book we'd ever read... while this hyperactive kid giggled nonstop at us about "Dildo Baggins" and "Midget Quest."

There's nothing that can't be mocked.  Give me a list of the ten best films of all time, and I could produce a snarky video ripping each them apart.  Heck, I'll start with The Empire Strikes Back, one of the worst movies of all time!

Skywalker VI: The Empire Strikes Back (A Complete Cinematic Failure)
Youtube vpvuNLEyYNc


Tell me, is anything in this video "untrue?"
 
2022-05-23 12:27:37 AM  

Socrofece: EdgeRunner: I've seen the HISHEs for RoS and read some reviews, but still have no urge to watch the actual movie.)

See, that's why people don't enjoy things anymore.  Your minds are full of online garbage, conditioned to see everything as a mistake, a joke to be parodied.

When I was in 7th grade, my friend and I discovered Tolkien.  We sat there for months talking excitedly about how The Lord of the Rings was the greatest book we'd ever read... while this hyperactive kid giggled nonstop at us about "Dildo Baggins" and "Midget Quest."

There's nothing that can't be mocked.  Give me a list of the ten best films of all time, and I could produce a snarky video ripping each them apart.  Heck, I'll start with The Empire Strikes Back, one of the worst movies of all time!

[YouTube video: Skywalker VI: The Empire Strikes Back (A Complete Cinematic Failure)]

Tell me, is anything in this video "untrue?"


Beats me. Just like RoS, I've got no interest in watching that video either.

Nobody watches every movie. Even career film critics don't see everything. And our ancestors from the mid 1800s and earlier had no movies to watch at all. If I deliberately skip a few here and there because they don't grab my interest, it's not a big deal in the overall scheme of things.

How about yourself? Have you seen every movie Michael Bay ever directed or produced? All the Roland Emmerich disaster pornos? Cats? I'm betting you've skipped a few yourself because they just didn't look that appealing to you. And I'd further bet that there's people who would tell you how wrong you were for missing movies that they liked, because they liked them so much they can't wrap their head around the concept that not everyone is going to enjoy them. But we don't all share the same tastes, which is why there's so many different movies to choose between. That's not a bad thing at all, and not just because it means I don't have to waste an afternoon watching Rise of Skywalker.

It's definitely one of the positives, but there's others.
 
2022-05-23 1:41:04 AM  
The thing is, I'd never say that Ambulance and Bad Boys were bad movies, because I've never seen them.
 
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