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2022-05-21 10:06:19 AM  
He's not wrong.  Seven was a great character, and there was a lot to work with with the whole former-Borg-becoming-human-again thing. And Jeri Ryan was great in the role.  But the episodes did get way too Seven-focused, and the Seven-Chakotay thing made no sense at all.

Also they really wasted opportunities to develop Harry Kim better. I always found him the easiest to root for.
 
2022-05-21 11:01:09 AM  

RodneyToady: He's not wrong.  Seven was a great character, and there was a lot to work with with the whole former-Borg-becoming-human-again thing. And Jeri Ryan was great in the role.  But the episodes did get way too Seven-focused, and the Seven-Chakotay thing made no sense at all.

Also they really wasted opportunities to develop Harry Kim better. I always found him the easiest to root for.


Chakotay was just a terrible character all-around in the show.  The Mystical Native American stuff was bad (and yeah, I know the show's advisor was a fake) and it was obvious most of the time that Beltran just didn't want to be there in the first place.
 
2022-05-21 11:26:38 AM  
Was he a writer on the show as well. Cause, I don't think we can really blame him that much
 
2022-05-21 12:15:10 PM  
Supposedly (though this has never been outright confirmed), he hated being on the show so much that he kept upping his salary demands in an attempt to get them to fire him. It didn't work.
 
2022-05-21 1:31:22 PM  

RodneyToady: He's not wrong.  Seven was a great character, and there was a lot to work with with the whole former-Borg-becoming-human-again thing.


Yeah - what an original arc - the outsider who tries to fit in, exploring humanity to improve themselves.  Just like Spock. And Data. And Odo.

Sorry, the Seven of Nine years really did the show in. Yes, Jeri Ryan was unexpectedly talented.  But you'll never convince me her acting ability is what got her the job.  Brannon Braga was yet another impresario who of course cast the pretty girl he's f*cking in the lead role, even if that meant re-writing the entire show to do it.

What I want to know is, who the hell was Bob Picardo f*cking to get himself made the omnipotent, omniscient asshole in every episode?
 
2022-05-21 1:38:46 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: What I want to know is, who the hell was Bob Picardo f*cking to get himself made the omnipotent, omniscient asshole in every episode?


Everyone.

EVERYONE!
 
2022-05-21 1:43:51 PM  

NeoCortex42: it was obvious most of the time that Beltran just didn't want to be there in the first place.


Which in my opinion makes him extremely unprofessional.  As an actor, he should have done the job to the best of his ability instead of half-assing it, or quit.

I've seen the guy at a Star Trek convention... he came across as a petulant angry man more interested in being angry than in communicating.  So that pretty much confirmed my opinion of his professionalism on set.

On a semi-related note, some random Farker with the handle 'NeoCortex42' suggested I watch the last season of Enterprise... and I cannot fathom how I've never before seen how bad an actor Scott Bakula is.  He did a good job on Quantum Leap because Sam was supposed to be confused all the time due to magical time-traveling brain damage, but Archer's exactly the same.  The weird cadence to his speech, the overdone emoting.  He's just not good enough for a series lead.  It was really hit home when he tried to play 'evil' in the Mirror episodes.
 
2022-05-21 1:49:26 PM  

Unsung_Hero: NeoCortex42: it was obvious most of the time that Beltran just didn't want to be there in the first place.

Which in my opinion makes him extremely unprofessional.  As an actor, he should have done the job to the best of his ability instead of half-assing it, or quit.

I've seen the guy at a Star Trek convention... he came across as a petulant angry man more interested in being angry than in communicating.  So that pretty much confirmed my opinion of his professionalism on set.

On a semi-related note, some random Farker with the handle 'NeoCortex42' suggested I watch the last season of Enterprise... and I cannot fathom how I've never before seen how bad an actor Scott Bakula is.  He did a good job on Quantum Leap because Sam was supposed to be confused all the time due to magical time-traveling brain damage, but Archer's exactly the same.  The weird cadence to his speech, the overdone emoting.  He's just not good enough for a series lead.  It was really hit home when he tried to play 'evil' in the Mirror episodes.


Well, I enjoyed that season of Enterprise. Not all captains can have the acting expertise and skill of Shatner. Or the subtlety of Brooks playing it like a stage play and acting to the back row.

I'm not going to die on the hill of defending Enterprise, but I still think it's worth seeing through once. I still think it's better in average than Discovery. But to each their own.
 
2022-05-21 1:53:12 PM  

Unsung_Hero: It was really hit home when he tried to play 'evil' in the Mirror episodes.


I have completed my DS9 rewatch. I walk, as ever, with the Prophets.

And during this ritual, I came to a peculiar insight. I don't find Nana Visitor playing Major Kira attractive. But whenever she's playing a different character, I get all sorts of mantras in my underpants.
 
2022-05-21 1:54:57 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: What I want to know is, who the hell was Bob Picardo f*cking to get himself made the omnipotent, omniscient asshole in every episode?


That's easy:

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2022-05-21 1:57:11 PM  

Unsung_Hero: NeoCortex42: it was obvious most of the time that Beltran just didn't want to be there in the first place.

Which in my opinion makes him extremely unprofessional.  As an actor, he should have done the job to the best of his ability instead of half-assing it, or quit.

I've seen the guy at a Star Trek convention... he came across as a petulant angry man more interested in being angry than in communicating.  So that pretty much confirmed my opinion of his professionalism on set.

On a semi-related note, some random Farker with the handle 'NeoCortex42' suggested I watch the last season of Enterprise... and I cannot fathom how I've never before seen how bad an actor Scott Bakula is.  He did a good job on Quantum Leap because Sam was supposed to be confused all the time due to magical time-traveling brain damage, but Archer's exactly the same.  The weird cadence to his speech, the overdone emoting.  He's just not good enough for a series lead.  It was really hit home when he tried to play 'evil' in the Mirror episodes.


His other show NCIS:New Orleans is exactly the same problem.

So they give him magical reasons to be confused like seeing and conversing with dead people, or random head injuries.

Stacey Keach was also underutilized as his father.
 
2022-05-21 1:57:56 PM  
Ensign Seska (Martha Hackett)

The only interesting character the show had until Seven came on board. What did the showrunners do? Pack her off to hang out with this B.O. reeking dipshiat:
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The interesting Maquis vs Starfleet drama was tossed aside so mad-dog Janeway could get her coffee on and Neelix could creep on poor Kes.
 
2022-05-21 2:00:56 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: RodneyToady: He's not wrong.  Seven was a great character, and there was a lot to work with with the whole former-Borg-becoming-human-again thing.

Yeah - what an original arc - the outsider who tries to fit in, exploring humanity to improve themselves.  Just like Spock. And Data. And Odo.


I think that's why Worf was such an interesting character to me.  Instead of learning to be human, he was learning to be Klingon after being raised human.  That way we got to go on a journey of culture clash, compromise and understanding rather than increasingly ham fisted monologues on the nature of being human.  "I do hear the call of the warrior" is one of my favorite lines.
 
2022-05-21 2:05:01 PM  
Unsung_Hero:

and I cannot fathom how I've never before seen how bad an actor Scott Bakula is.  He did a good job on Quantum Leap because Sam was supposed to be confused all the time due to magical time-traveling brain damage, but Archer's exactly the same.  The weird cadence to his speech, the overdone emoting.

I KNOWWWWWWW, RIGHT!?

I've been saying it since the beginning of the show. THE DUDE ...IS F*CKING TERRIBLE. His mannerisms and that *thing* he does that looks like it's painful for him to emote. Enterprise was doomed from the casting phase.

*If you're into masochism, check Bakula out in NCIS: New Orleans trying to pinch out and N'WARLEONS "accent" trying to talk about his "gumbo" recipe every five minutes.
 
2022-05-21 2:16:17 PM  
The Chakotay/Seven romance was shoehorned at the end with zero writing skills, rhyme or reason.

Seven should have ended up with the Delaney sisters.
 
2022-05-21 2:38:18 PM  
The biggest problems were poor production and bad acting. Hmm..writing not the best either. Fark.
 
2022-05-21 2:46:41 PM  
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2022-05-21 3:00:33 PM  

kbronsito: The Chakotay/Seven romance was shoehorned at the end with zero writing skills, rhyme or reason.

Seven should have ended up with the Delaney sisters.


It comes across that way in the finale, but it started -- holographically -- in S07E17 "Human Error".

I'm not desperately unhappy with the Seven/Chakotay romance. It would have been much better had Chakotay and the Marquis been developed more. But we have what we have, we have nothing else, and ... thirty years on, I still like it*.

*except for, you know. That one.
 
2022-05-21 4:31:14 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: RodneyToady: He's not wrong.  Seven was a great character, and there was a lot to work with with the whole former-Borg-becoming-human-again thing.

Yeah - what an original arc - the outsider who tries to fit in, exploring humanity to improve themselves.  Just like Spock. And Data. And Odo.

Sorry, the Seven of Nine years really did the show in. Yes, Jeri Ryan was unexpectedly talented.  But you'll never convince me her acting ability is what got her the job.  Brannon Braga was yet another impresario who of course cast the pretty girl he's f*cking in the lead role, even if that meant re-writing the entire show to do it.

What I want to know is, who the hell was Bob Picardo f*cking to get himself made the omnipotent, omniscient asshole in every episode?


There may be no doubt that Jeri Ryan had assets beyond acting that got her the job, but she was and is nobody's farkmuppet.

Semi-famously, her refusal to join her politician then-husband in a three way and his attempt turning into a scandal ultimately brought him down, leading him to be ousted in the primary election by a certain up-and-coming community organizer.

Bslim: Ensign Seska (Martha Hackett)

The only interesting character the show had until Seven came on board. What did the showrunners do? Pack her off to hang out with this B.O. reeking dipshiat:
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The interesting Maquis vs Starfleet drama was tossed aside so mad-dog Janeway could get her coffee on and Neelix could creep on poor Kes.


Yeah, in hindsight it was a huge mistake for them to discard the friction between the crews so quickly. Both from a plausibility perspective and a narrative one. But, apparently due to DS9, Braga was absolutely, totally opposed to serialized story arcs, so no Marquis story arc. He also vetoed the entirety of season 3 being the Year Of Hell, until grudgingly allowing it to be a 2 parter.

*sigh* So many interesting stories behind the cameras of Trek...
 
2022-05-21 4:39:32 PM  

NeoCortex42: Well, I enjoyed that season of Enterprise.


Oh, you're not wrong (insofar as personal opinions can be right or wrong, anyway).  I found the stories worth a watch, and I am happy I took your suggestion to watch them.

Compared to about 99% of Voyager, the last season of Enterprise is damn near perfection.
 
2022-05-21 4:43:10 PM  
erik-k:

Semi-famously, her refusal to join her politician then-husband in a three way and his attempt turning into a scandal ultimately brought him down, leading him to be ousted in the primary election by a certain up-and-coming community organizer.

Agreed and strange, and wonderful.

Also, her Seven in Picard is so, so fluid. I've really enjoyed her performance.

Roddenberry should be ROFLCOPTING in his grave with delight. He made the world, this world, a better place.
 
2022-05-21 4:48:18 PM  

erik-k: her refusal to join her politician then-husband in a three way and his attempt turning into a scandal ultimately brought him down, leading him to be ousted in the primary election by a certain up-and-coming community organizer.


If you're married to someone who is into threeways and you're not... you didn't get to know your partner well enough during the dating and engagement phase.

Good for her for standing up for what makes her comfortable, but lady, choose your long term partners with a little care, OK?  Obviously the same applies to him, but I'm looking at this from her perspective.
 
2022-05-21 6:13:18 PM  
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2022-05-21 10:21:12 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: RodneyToady: He's not wrong.  Seven was a great character, and there was a lot to work with with the whole former-Borg-becoming-human-again thing.

Yeah - what an original arc - the outsider who tries to fit in, exploring humanity to improve themselves.  Just like Spock. And Data. And Odo.

Sorry, the Seven of Nine years really did the show in.


Yeah, after Ryan joined the cast the show soon went off the air.

Yes, Jeri Ryan was unexpectedly talented.  But you'll never convince me her acting ability is what got her the job.

I don't think I have every seen anyone say her full tits and being gorgeous were not part of the reason. go Only Fan, there are lots of blonde with tits, doesn't mean they are good actors. Good as in they can play Picardo.

Brannon Braga was yet another impresario who of course cast the pretty girl he's f*cking in the lead role, even if that meant re-writing the entire show to do it.

What I want to know is, who the hell was Bob Picardo f*cking to get himself made the omnipotent, omniscient asshole in every episode?


That man's mouth can do more things than delivery every line perfectly.
 
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