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2022-05-21 10:04:57 AM  
We are on TXU's 'Free Nights and Solar Days' plan, with any usage from 8PM to 6AM free.  I schedule most of our heaviest usage (pool pump, AC dialed down to 72, etc) within that window.

If I ever do purchase an electric vehicle, I'd set it up to charge off-hours anyway.

At least until power generators figure out some way to screw that up by exempting them from the free usage period.
 
2022-05-21 10:39:49 AM  
I just assumed most EV owners charged during off-peak hours already
 
2022-05-21 10:50:20 AM  
Around 70% of Texas' power grid is fueled by coal and gas, anyway.  Tesla owners should be ecstatic that they are being asked to double- down on their planet-saving sacrifices.
 
2022-05-21 11:17:53 AM  
Between global warming increasing demand and Texas style bureaucracy, I figure the Texas grid has about 5 more years before it's so crippled with failures that they have to call it and rejoin the national grid.
/Red States do not maintain infrastructure, they cut taxes for the rich.
 
2022-05-21 11:47:55 AM  
Tesla owners seem like EXACTLY the kind of people that would comply out of a sense of community.


/bwahahahahahaha
 
2022-05-21 12:03:45 PM  
It'll be funny when everyone gets electric cars, and then the electrical grid collapses, because of people like Elon Musk who never want to pay taxes.

And it still won't be his fault.  It'll be yours, for believing in him.
But you got your farking Tesla.
 
2022-05-21 12:04:56 PM  
If I were crazy enough to live in Texas, I'd have a white roof.  I'd have a significant solar panel installation.  I'd plant Sandpaper trees to the immediate south of anything I wanted shaded.  Maybe I'd install a grey water system and a personal water reservoir.

And I'd probably double up on Tesla Powerwalls.  Maybe get off the grid entirely.  Because the GOP ensures you can't trust the grid.

And because it's Texas, I'd have a nice wall built around my property as a backstop so I wouldn't hurt any innocent people if I had to shoot trespassers.  Maybe throw up a lot of signs about "Remember the Alamo" or "2nd Amendment 1st" or such to discourage even the kind of people who do that kind of stuff from trying to visit.

And sadly, because I'm addicted to the Internet, I'd have to tithe to Musk for service the local government couldn't control.
 
2022-05-21 12:08:44 PM  

Unsung_Hero: If I were crazy enough to live in Texas, I'd have a white roof.  I'd have a significant solar panel installation.  I'd plant Sandpaper trees to the immediate south of anything I wanted shaded.  Maybe I'd install a grey water system and a personal water reservoir.

And I'd probably double up on Tesla Powerwalls.  Maybe get off the grid entirely.  Because the GOP ensures you can't trust the grid.

And because it's Texas, I'd have a nice wall built around my property as a backstop so I wouldn't hurt any innocent people if I had to shoot trespassers.  Maybe throw up a lot of signs about "Remember the Alamo" or "2nd Amendment 1st" or such to discourage even the kind of people who do that kind of stuff from trying to visit.

And sadly, because I'm addicted to the Internet, I'd have to tithe to Musk for service the local government couldn't control.


And then you'll be hit with a $20,000 penalty for failing to connect to the grid.
 
2022-05-21 12:13:07 PM  

cryinoutloud: It'll be funny when everyone gets electric cars, and then the electrical grid collapses, because of people like Elon Musk who never want to pay taxes.

And it still won't be his fault.  It'll be yours, for believing in him.
But you got your farking Tesla.


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2022-05-21 12:14:04 PM  

markie_farkie: We are on TXU's 'Free Nights and Solar Days' plan, with any usage from 8PM to 6AM free.


That's an amazing deal and I wondered if anyone in the USA offered these sort of plans. Like you say, it's great for EV charging.

It would be worth trying to set up a home battery system that can slurp up a lot of free juice at night and run or supplement heavy loads in your house during the day. Something tells me the power company wouldn't like that and would ban it.
 
2022-05-21 12:14:33 PM  
It's getting hotter due to Climate Change and our power grid is failing. Avoid charging your Tesla and drive your ICE vehicle which further contributes to Climate Change and will further prevent you from charging your Tesla. A negative feedback loop of stupidity.
 
2022-05-21 12:14:33 PM  

markie_farkie: Unsung_Hero: If I were crazy enough to live in Texas, I'd have a white roof.  I'd have a significant solar panel installation.  I'd plant Sandpaper trees to the immediate south of anything I wanted shaded.  Maybe I'd install a grey water system and a personal water reservoir.

And I'd probably double up on Tesla Powerwalls.  Maybe get off the grid entirely.  Because the GOP ensures you can't trust the grid.

And because it's Texas, I'd have a nice wall built around my property as a backstop so I wouldn't hurt any innocent people if I had to shoot trespassers.  Maybe throw up a lot of signs about "Remember the Alamo" or "2nd Amendment 1st" or such to discourage even the kind of people who do that kind of stuff from trying to visit.

And sadly, because I'm addicted to the Internet, I'd have to tithe to Musk for service the local government couldn't control.

And then you'll be hit with a $20,000 penalty for failing to connect to the grid.


What if you connect to the grid but only run a single LED nightlight off it?
 
2022-05-21 12:15:32 PM  

markie_farkie: At least until power generators figure out some way to screw that up by exempting them from the free usage period.


Makes me wonder how the power companies would be all up in everyone's business to figure out what their power usage is going to. All they could see is power flowing to your house and couldn't tell what it's for.
 
2022-05-21 12:16:21 PM  

Unsung_Hero: What if you connect to the grid but only run a single LED nightlight off it?


Let them install their power drop and meter, and just pay the monthly connection charge and then 0 kW of usage charges.
 
2022-05-21 12:17:44 PM  

mrmopar5287: Unsung_Hero: What if you connect to the grid but only run a single LED nightlight off it?

Let them install their power drop and meter, and just pay the monthly connection charge and then 0 kW of usage charges.


Looked it up: https://www.primalsurvivor.net/texas-off-grid-laws/

Seems pretty favorable overall, especially if you're rural.  The water system I suggested would likely be more problematic than the power system.
 
2022-05-21 12:18:49 PM  

markie_farkie: And then you'll be hit with a $20,000 penalty for failing to connect to the grid.


Side story: my home city has no municipal garbage service - it's all private service. City code requires every occupied house and business to have garbage service and you get fined if you don't have it.

One guy with a business in the city didn't have home garbage service. When the city came to fine him he explained he recycles (schlepping the stuff to recycling centers), composts yard waste, and his other household garbage he takes to his business a couple times a week because he already has garbage service there. He throws the Hefty sack into the business garbage.

No amount of explanation was acceptable. They went to court and he was found guilty and fined, and required to get home garbage service (that he doesn't need or want).
 
2022-05-21 12:19:50 PM  
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2022-05-21 12:21:37 PM  

mrmopar5287: markie_farkie: At least until power generators figure out some way to screw that up by exempting them from the free usage period.

Makes me wonder how the power companies would be all up in everyone's business to figure out what their power usage is going to. All they could see is power flowing to your house and couldn't tell what it's for.


Smart meters already do that, based on load ramp ups, durations, on/off cycles, and total amperage consumed during those events.

Here's a chart for this month from my account:

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2022-05-21 12:26:10 PM  
Roll your coal. Roll it hard.
 
2022-05-21 12:27:21 PM  

markie_farkie: mrmopar5287: markie_farkie: At least until power generators figure out some way to screw that up by exempting them from the free usage period.

Makes me wonder how the power companies would be all up in everyone's business to figure out what their power usage is going to. All they could see is power flowing to your house and couldn't tell what it's for.

Smart meters already do that, based on load ramp ups, durations, on/off cycles, and total amperage consumed during those events.

Here's a chart for this month from my account:

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Yep.  There's a very particular power consumption pattern you can match to your A/C kicking in, vs. a dryer or dishwasher or an electric oven.  They all have different starting draw and ongoing power use.  Throw everything else under 'electronics' and you're probably 99% accurate and that's before you start trying to match things up against local temperature, humidity, and ambient light as a sanity check.
 
2022-05-21 12:34:20 PM  

markie_farkie: Unsung_Hero: If I were crazy enough to live in Texas, I'd have a white roof.  I'd have a significant solar panel installation.  I'd plant Sandpaper trees to the immediate south of anything I wanted shaded.  Maybe I'd install a grey water system and a personal water reservoir.

And I'd probably double up on Tesla Powerwalls.  Maybe get off the grid entirely.  Because the GOP ensures you can't trust the grid.

And because it's Texas, I'd have a nice wall built around my property as a backstop so I wouldn't hurt any innocent people if I had to shoot trespassers.  Maybe throw up a lot of signs about "Remember the Alamo" or "2nd Amendment 1st" or such to discourage even the kind of people who do that kind of stuff from trying to visit.

And sadly, because I'm addicted to the Internet, I'd have to tithe to Musk for service the local government couldn't control.

And then you'll be hit with a $20,000 penalty for failing to connect to the grid.


Cite the Texas statute that requires connection to utility power.
 
2022-05-21 12:37:35 PM  

TX_Sarcassim: Cite the Texas statute that requires connection to utility power.


It is mostly municipal building code standards that require the hookups to be present.  And plenty of places now have exceptions.  I believe there's also some legislation demanding that once you have that hookup, you must pay a minimum of $30/month to the utility regardless of whether you're a user or even if you're pumping energy back into the grid through an approved device.

It's not the end of the world, but it is something you should be aware of if you're going to try going off grid, especially in an urban or suburban area.
 
2022-05-21 12:38:30 PM  

markie_farkie: At least until power generators figure out some way to screw that up by exempting them from the free usage period.


My state (Illinois) was not known for having any good EV incentives despite being a blue state. Made me really question it that we didn't have some rebates for purchase until the $4,000 one that's being implemented starting July 1st.

You could look around and the only incentives I found with a brief search a couple years ago was one or two rural electric co-ops that offered an EV charging deal. Their offer was a slight discount on the electricity rate (like, 5¢ per kW instead of 5.5¢ per kW) and you had to have a second meter with a reduced monthly meter charge of $5.

Once you got past that first 100 kW of electricity for EV charging (made up for the extra $5 a month for the second meter), you were getting a 0.05¢ discount on all your EV charging use. Better than nothing, I guess.
 
2022-05-21 12:39:34 PM  
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2022-05-21 12:47:45 PM  

TX_Sarcassim: markie_farkie: Unsung_Hero: If I were crazy enough to live in Texas, I'd have a white roof.  I'd have a significant solar panel installation.  I'd plant Sandpaper trees to the immediate south of anything I wanted shaded.  Maybe I'd install a grey water system and a personal water reservoir.

And I'd probably double up on Tesla Powerwalls.  Maybe get off the grid entirely.  Because the GOP ensures you can't trust the grid.

And because it's Texas, I'd have a nice wall built around my property as a backstop so I wouldn't hurt any innocent people if I had to shoot trespassers.  Maybe throw up a lot of signs about "Remember the Alamo" or "2nd Amendment 1st" or such to discourage even the kind of people who do that kind of stuff from trying to visit.

And sadly, because I'm addicted to the Internet, I'd have to tithe to Musk for service the local government couldn't control.

And then you'll be hit with a $20,000 penalty for failing to connect to the grid.

Cite the Texas statute that requires connection to utility power.


There isn't one... yet.

Just wait.. If enough bootstrappy people go off-grid, it'll happen.  Those transmission lines all over the place aren't gonna pay for for themselves, and energy providers sure as hell won't pay.  They have shareholders to answer to.

Oncor, the company responsible for delivering electricity, exists because there are transmission tariffs built into every electricity provider's bill that fund the grid, as well as local service to residences.

Moving into a house and choosing NOT to use an electricity provider deprives them of that revenue.

The same thing will eventually happen with electric cars.  Fuel taxes fund roads, bridges, tunnels, etc and at some point electric vehicles will have to be assessed a similar per-mile charge to account for that loss of revenue.
 
2022-05-21 12:58:43 PM  
Third world failed state hellhole says what?
 
2022-05-21 12:59:59 PM  

inglixthemad: Third world failed state hellhole says what?


True.  The best way to deal with issues in Texas is to GTFO if you can.  With the extreme right, things will only continue to get worse.
 
2022-05-21 1:17:05 PM  

markie_farkie: hit with a $20,000 penalty for failing to connect to the grid.


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2022-05-21 1:38:35 PM  
I am sure Elon will be along shortly to claim that he can fix the Texas power grid, beg for federal tax dollars (like he's done with every company he "runs") and then destroy it even further.

I mean, Texla moved there to be helpful, not to avoid taxes and all of that, right?!?
 
2022-05-21 1:39:38 PM  
markie_farkie:

Here's a chart for this month from my account:

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Did they passive-aggressively choose such similar colors to make that pie chart hard to read?

/Maybe I'm just colorblind.
//Is there such a thing as late-onset colorblindness?
 
2022-05-21 1:46:21 PM  

OhioUGrad: I am sure Elon will be along shortly to claim that he can fix the Texas power grid, beg for federal tax dollars (like he's done with every company he "runs") and then destroy it even further.

I mean, Texla moved there to be helpful, not to avoid taxes and all of that, right?!?


I'm sure Tesla COULD repair the grid.  Industrial scale battery installations attached at nodes all over the place would act as buffers to even out load and make things a lot easier on traditional generation methods.

The question isn't if Tesla could do it, it's if the entrenched powers would stop it or if it would be the most efficient way to address the problem if they couldn't.
 
2022-05-21 1:46:53 PM  

mrmopar5287: markie_farkie: And then you'll be hit with a $20,000 penalty for failing to connect to the grid.

Side story: my home city has no municipal garbage service - it's all private service. City code requires every occupied house and business to have garbage service and you get fined if you don't have it.

One guy with a business in the city didn't have home garbage service. When the city came to fine him he explained he recycles (schlepping the stuff to recycling centers), composts yard waste, and his other household garbage he takes to his business a couple times a week because he already has garbage service there. He throws the Hefty sack into the business garbage.

No amount of explanation was acceptable. They went to court and he was found guilty and fined, and required to get home garbage service (that he doesn't need or want).


If that was me, I would start a "Home Garbage Service" business on paper.  Sign myself up on the contract so have something to show the Inspectors and then not take any new customers.
 
2022-05-21 1:51:17 PM  

Johnson: If that was me, I would start a "Home Garbage Service" business on paper. Sign myself up on the contract so have something to show the Inspectors and then not take any new customers.


You might have to contract with an approved waste handling company, and that might be more money than it's worth to set up.

Another possibility is to get a clause added to your business contract for a specified quantity of residential waste to be delivered to a 'depot' (the business) by the customer.
 
2022-05-21 1:52:07 PM  

Unsung_Hero: OhioUGrad: I am sure Elon will be along shortly to claim that he can fix the Texas power grid, beg for federal tax dollars (like he's done with every company he "runs") and then destroy it even further.

I mean, Texla moved there to be helpful, not to avoid taxes and all of that, right?!?

I'm sure Tesla COULD repair the grid.  Industrial scale battery installations attached at nodes all over the place would act as buffers to even out load and make things a lot easier on traditional generation methods.

The question isn't if Tesla could do it, it's if the entrenched powers would stop it or if it would be the most efficient way to address the problem if they couldn't.


They're already installing some massive battery banks at substations to store excess solar capacity for overnight distribution, or if forecasts indicate cloudy weather, etc.

 Can't find the link but there are a couple already up and running around the Austin area.
 
2022-05-21 1:59:40 PM  
If my office building would just raise its thermostat from 64 degrees to, say, 70 degrees, that would probably solve the entire problem right there.

People literally running space heaters at their desks in the middle of summer.
 
2022-05-21 2:04:17 PM  

Unsung_Hero: OhioUGrad: I am sure Elon will be along shortly to claim that he can fix the Texas power grid, beg for federal tax dollars (like he's done with every company he "runs") and then destroy it even further.

I mean, Texla moved there to be helpful, not to avoid taxes and all of that, right?!?

I'm sure Tesla COULD repair the grid.  Industrial scale battery installations attached at nodes all over the place would act as buffers to even out load and make things a lot easier on traditional generation methods.

The question isn't if Tesla could do it, it's if the entrenched powers would stop it or if it would be the most efficient way to address the problem if they couldn't.


Too entrenched with the R voters.

Even in Dem strongholds like Cali, PG&E has too much power even though every year they try to burn the whole state to the ground with their awful infrastructure and failures while turning record P&L.
 
2022-05-21 2:06:44 PM  

Johnson: If that was me, I would start a "Home Garbage Service" business on paper.  Sign myself up on the contract so have something to show the Inspectors and then not take any new customers.


Garbage service is one company, it's a bidded contract, city council sets or reviews the rates, and everyone in the city has to have service from them. You can't start a separate/new company to try this.
 
2022-05-21 2:29:22 PM  

OhioUGrad: Unsung_Hero: OhioUGrad: I am sure Elon will be along shortly to claim that he can fix the Texas power grid, beg for federal tax dollars (like he's done with every company he "runs") and then destroy it even further.

I mean, Texla moved there to be helpful, not to avoid taxes and all of that, right?!?

I'm sure Tesla COULD repair the grid.  Industrial scale battery installations attached at nodes all over the place would act as buffers to even out load and make things a lot easier on traditional generation methods.

The question isn't if Tesla could do it, it's if the entrenched powers would stop it or if it would be the most efficient way to address the problem if they couldn't.

Too entrenched with the R voters.

Even in Dem strongholds like Cali, PG&E has too much power even though every year they try to burn the whole state to the ground with their awful infrastructure and failures while turning record P&L.


PG&E and Socal Edison could install solar power on every customer's house for free if they weren't paying such huge fines for burning down the forests and asploding neighborhoods.
 
2022-05-21 2:34:18 PM  

mrmopar5287: markie_farkie: We are on TXU's 'Free Nights and Solar Days' plan, with any usage from 8PM to 6AM free.

That's an amazing deal and I wondered if anyone in the USA offered these sort of plans. Like you say, it's great for EV charging.

It would be worth trying to set up a home battery system that can slurp up a lot of free juice at night and run or supplement heavy loads in your house during the day. Something tells me the power company wouldn't like that and would ban it.


Even in absurdly expensive electricity SoCal, the utility companies offer this for EV owners. Basically, you agree to higher peak usage rates in exchange for dirt cheap super off-peak rates. (Basically like $0.37/kWh to $0.03/kWh.) Tesla makes it easy because the car already knows the rate times for your area and will time its charging overnight to ensure you don't get hit with the higher rate.

There is a similar tier of pricing weighted to off-peak hours for non-EV owners but it's not as dramatic. The utilities reeeaaally want EV owners super off-peak to manage their load better, given you're pulling upwards of 50 amps at a time, and bribe us accordingly.

The only time you should ever have to charge during peak times is if you forget to plug the thing in for a week at a time and realize in the middle of the day that you need to charge, in which case you should probably go to a Supercharger anyway for the 15-20 minute fast charge, to save time.
 
2022-05-21 2:54:01 PM  

mrmopar5287: markie_farkie: At least until power generators figure out some way to screw that up by exempting them from the free usage period.

My state (Illinois) was not known for having any good EV incentives despite being a blue state. Made me really question it that we didn't have some rebates for purchase until the $4,000 one that's being implemented starting July 1st.

You could look around and the only incentives I found with a brief search a couple years ago was one or two rural electric co-ops that offered an EV charging deal. Their offer was a slight discount on the electricity rate (like, 5¢ per kW instead of 5.5¢ per kW) and you had to have a second meter with a reduced monthly meter charge of $5.

Once you got past that first 100 kW of electricity for EV charging (made up for the extra $5 a month for the second meter), you were getting a 0.05¢ discount on all your EV charging use. Better than nothing, I guess.


You didn't look very closely
 
2022-05-21 3:12:53 PM  

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Conservatives conserving.  That IS funny.
 
2022-05-21 3:16:09 PM  

OhioUGrad: I am sure Elon will be along shortly to claim that he can fix the Texas power grid, beg for federal tax dollars (like he's done with every company he "runs") and then destroy it even further.

I mean, Texla moved there to be helpful, not to avoid taxes and all of that, right?!?


Along with being a state where you're allowed and praised for maximum racism.
 
2022-05-21 3:23:33 PM  

mrmopar5287: markie_farkie: We are on TXU's 'Free Nights and Solar Days' plan, with any usage from 8PM to 6AM free.

That's an amazing deal and I wondered if anyone in the USA offered these sort of plans. Like you say, it's great for EV charging.

It would be worth trying to set up a home battery system that can slurp up a lot of free juice at night and run or supplement heavy loads in your house during the day. Something tells me the power company wouldn't like that and would ban it.


It's only a matter of time before a Bitcoin mining company hears about that rate plan and ruins it for everyone.
 
2022-05-21 3:30:30 PM  

Ivo Shandor: mrmopar5287: markie_farkie: We are on TXU's 'Free Nights and Solar Days' plan, with any usage from 8PM to 6AM free.

That's an amazing deal and I wondered if anyone in the USA offered these sort of plans. Like you say, it's great for EV charging.

It would be worth trying to set up a home battery system that can slurp up a lot of free juice at night and run or supplement heavy loads in your house during the day. Something tells me the power company wouldn't like that and would ban it.

It's only a matter of time before a Bitcoin mining company hears about that rate plan and ruins it for everyone.


You mean like this?

https://www.kristv.com/news/local-news/bitcoin-mining-facility-coming-to-corpus-christi
 
2022-05-21 3:39:58 PM  
This is going to be a lot more common in the future and we're gonna have to put in some work on the grid infrastrcture.  If gas prices stay high for much longer it'll edge more consumers to opt for electrics (I haven't heard too much grumbling about switching yet, but it's coming) and that'll add strain.  States that effed up their power infrastructure and/or are in very hot or cold areas (so, Texas) will have issues first.  The Northeast US is probably best prepared place in America.

Oddly enough the most effed-up state when it comes to power will probably do a bit better.  California got their energy problems somewhat out of the way early.
 
2022-05-21 4:00:00 PM  

whatisaidwas: OhioUGrad: Unsung_Hero: OhioUGrad: I am sure Elon will be along shortly to claim that he can fix the Texas power grid, beg for federal tax dollars (like he's done with every company he "runs") and then destroy it even further.

I mean, Texla moved there to be helpful, not to avoid taxes and all of that, right?!?

I'm sure Tesla COULD repair the grid.  Industrial scale battery installations attached at nodes all over the place would act as buffers to even out load and make things a lot easier on traditional generation methods.

The question isn't if Tesla could do it, it's if the entrenched powers would stop it or if it would be the most efficient way to address the problem if they couldn't.

Too entrenched with the R voters.

Even in Dem strongholds like Cali, PG&E has too much power even though every year they try to burn the whole state to the ground with their awful infrastructure and failures while turning record P&L.

PG&E and Socal Edison could install solar power on every customer's house for free if they weren't paying such huge fines for burning down the forests and asploding neighborhoods.


I forgot about Socal Edison, I always think of PG&E because they tried to get me on a project and then a bunch of consultants I know got let go from a project that got put on hold so PG&E could pay a fine. So they paused upgrades to pay a fine and this was back in like 2016.
 
2022-05-21 4:57:04 PM  

mrmopar5287: markie_farkie: And then you'll be hit with a $20,000 penalty for failing to connect to the grid.

Side story: my home city has no municipal garbage service - it's all private service. City code requires every occupied house and business to have garbage service and you get fined if you don't have it.

One guy with a business in the city didn't have home garbage service. When the city came to fine him he explained he recycles (schlepping the stuff to recycling centers), composts yard waste, and his other household garbage he takes to his business a couple times a week because he already has garbage service there. He throws the Hefty sack into the business garbage.

No amount of explanation was acceptable. They went to court and he was found guilty and fined, and required to get home garbage service (that he doesn't need or want).


Hmm, that's a hard one. From a personal perspective, "That's farking bullshiat" but adding an exemption would totally result in many shiat people, without that guy's diligence, exempting and throwing their trash over the fence. Or dumping it at night.

We have a council service that's paid for per bag of rubbish. It's economical for not only them to sell rubbish bags in the supermarket then drive a garbage truck around every street once per week and pick them up, but there is actually competition in the space of a private company also doing it and selling their bags slightly cheaper right next to them.

A 60L garbage bag is like $1.50, and you only pay for actual consumption.

We still get people collecting then dumping their trash wherever they can put it. Some people are just shiatheads.

Look at how people treat any loophole for vaccines, masks, service animals and the like.
 
2022-05-21 5:34:52 PM  

dyhchong: A 60L garbage bag is like $1.50, and you only pay for actual consumption.


This encourages recycling, composting, and it also gets people to compact their trash to fit the most they can into one bag if doing so is worth it to them.
 
2022-05-21 5:37:31 PM  

mrmopar5287: dyhchong: A 60L garbage bag is like $1.50, and you only pay for actual consumption.

This encourages recycling, composting, and it also gets people to compact their trash to fit the most they can into one bag if doing so is worth it to them.


Absolutely, it encourages normal, not shiat people to do that.

Yet even then, some people would rather spend $5 on fuel and drive somewhere at midnight to dump their $4.50 worth of trash in a pile, that gets nicely spread across wherever they dump it when the wind blows because they're steaming sack of shiat human beings.
 
2022-05-21 5:49:29 PM  

chitownmike: You didn't look very closely


Who was offering what? About the time that the Bolt EV came out as a 2017 model there was basically nothing available. The major energy suppliers didn't even have a charge rate program - the best I could find was some rural co-ops offering that. Now there is something from Ameren that can get you a discount on the delivery rate (not a discount on the actual electricity) during preferred charging times of 11pm-7am, but you have to have separately metered service for the charger: https://www.ameren.com/illinois/residential/electric-vehicles/rate
 
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