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2022-05-20 1:53:03 PM  
Yes, women also believe women shouldn't have rights.
 
2022-05-20 1:59:58 PM  
It does not f*cking matter unless those goddamn statistics get us more Democratic Senators or more Democrats on the Supreme Court.

*kicks dirt*
 
2022-05-20 2:14:09 PM  
WRT to antichoice women: misery loves company.
 
2022-05-20 2:14:45 PM  

atomic-age: WRT to antichoice women: misery loves company.


the only moral abortion is my abortion
 
2022-05-20 2:14:52 PM  

aleister_greynight: Yes, women also believe women shouldn't have rights.


Always a headscratcher.
 
2022-05-20 2:15:13 PM  

aleister_greynight: Yes, women also believe women shouldn't have rights.


Until they need the abortion, of course.

Even then, theirs is different.  Theirs is for valid reasons, everyone else who gets an abortion is a slut.

/This is what they believe
//Sigh
 
2022-05-20 2:17:37 PM  
The Silent Majority strikes again!
 
2022-05-20 2:18:13 PM  
There are three kinds of lies - lies, damn lies and statistics.
This issue isn't about statistics. This is about what happens to a country weakened by decades of constant warfare, global pandemic and climate change and run by leaders who are either isolated and out of touch, or simply not interested in democracy anymore. Not to mention desperate to impose their weird toxic and unpopular gods on a population that doesn't want anything to do with their theology.
In other words - if you wanna know what comes next, read Machiavelli not a math textbook.
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2022-05-20 2:19:07 PM  

aleister_greynight: Yes, women also believe women shouldn't have rights.



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Same shiat, different decade...
 
2022-05-20 2:19:28 PM  

NewportBarGuy: It does not f*cking matter unless those goddamn statistics get us more Democratic Senators or more Democrats on the Supreme Court.

*kicks dirt*


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2022-05-20 2:20:36 PM  

bthom37: aleister_greynight: Yes, women also believe women shouldn't have rights.

Until they need the abortion, of course.

Even then, theirs is different.  Theirs is for valid reasons, everyone else who gets an abortion is a slut.

/This is what they believe
//Sigh


Exactly. All those other women are just frivolous sluts who get knocked up and then changed their mind and want an abortion when the baby is halfway out the birth canal.

Not like them. They just can't afford to have another baby, you see.
 
2022-05-20 2:20:46 PM  
My views are different.  Women should have access to abortion services, men shouldn't.

That's just equality gone to far.
 
2022-05-20 2:21:07 PM  
I agree.  Men should also be able to have abortions.  Should they ever find themselves pregnant and in need of one.

It's funny, I do this thing called a thought experiment, where I think "what if X happened to me" even if X is not something that can happen to persons of my gender, or unlikely to happen to someone of my race.  I then think about what kind of rights I would want in that situation, and then ethically, I know the right thing to do is to extend those same rights to people who do face those issues.  It's crazy, but it is a thing I do.
 
2022-05-20 2:26:23 PM  

winedrinkingman: I agree.  Men should also be able to have abortions.  Should they ever find themselves pregnant and in need of one.

It's funny, I do this thing called a thought experiment, where I think "what if X happened to me" even if X is not something that can happen to persons of my gender, or unlikely to happen to someone of my race.  I then think about what kind of rights I would want in that situation, and then ethically, I know the right thing to do is to extend those same rights to people who do face those issues.  It's crazy, but it is a thing I do.


Empathy is concept lost on roughly a third of the electorate.
 
2022-05-20 2:26:42 PM  

aleister_greynight: Yes, women also believe women shouldn't have rights.


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2022-05-20 2:28:39 PM  
Men can have abortions too.  This is a mens and womens rights issue.
 
2022-05-20 2:32:45 PM  

winedrinkingman: I agree.  Men should also be able to have abortions.  Should they ever find themselves pregnant and in need of one.

It's funny, I do this thing called a thought experiment, where I think "what if X happened to me" even if X is not something that can happen to persons of my gender, or unlikely to happen to someone of my race.  I then think about what kind of rights I would want in that situation, and then ethically, I know the right thing to do is to extend those same rights to people who do face those issues.  It's crazy, but it is a thing I do.


So it seems that not only DNRTFA, but you seem to have gotten the headline backwards.
 
2022-05-20 2:34:17 PM  
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New and fancier version of my old Pew graphic that was getting quite a workout lately.
 
2022-05-20 2:35:58 PM  
A weekend visit with my extended family and then my wife's extended family will give you all the anecdotal evidence you need to intuit this.

But I guess, it's somewhat interesting to see it play out statistically.
 
2022-05-20 2:38:52 PM  
And women were a major force in opposing women's suffrage. And Clarence Thomas thinks it should be illegal for him to have married his wife.
 
2022-05-20 2:39:10 PM  
"Views on abortion" don't matter.

Bodily autonomy is what matters.

That's it.
Period.
/or not, your body, your choice.
//because menstruation, ya see.
///hysterectomies on demand!
 
2022-05-20 2:39:31 PM  
As per a handful of friends' observations, the girls who (ahem) enjoyed themselves the most in high school turned out to be the loudest fetus-and-Jesus humping freaks.
 
2022-05-20 2:41:58 PM  

dywed88: And Clarence Thomas thinks it should be illegal for him to have married his wife.


If I had married Ginni Thomas, I'd want to make that illegal, too.
 
2022-05-20 2:43:12 PM  

dywed88: And women were a major force in opposing women's suffrage. And Clarence Thomas thinks it should be illegal for him to have married his wife.


Do you blame him? He's probably scared to leave. She cray.
 
2022-05-20 2:46:20 PM  
Among Trumpy couples I know the woman is more into pro-life Jesusy stuff and the dude is more into smoking pot and anti-illegal immigration.  And guns.
 
2022-05-20 2:48:17 PM  
There's no statistically significant difference between Nate Silver's profession, and a guy trying desperately to suck his own dick.
 
2022-05-20 2:49:24 PM  

whidbey: aleister_greynight: Yes, women also believe women shouldn't have rights.

Always a headscratcher.


Not if you talk to ex-Evangelicals. Evangelicals have been brainwashing their children for decades, even having little girls play pregnant women in bizarre theocratic plays. They're nothing like people who live in the real world.
 
2022-05-20 2:50:28 PM  
But what is a man nowadays. What is a woman?

I don't want to assume.
 
2022-05-20 2:57:25 PM  
FTA: views of abortion are intimately linked to how people think about motherhood, sex and women's social roles

Oh. It's rooted in authoritarianism.
 
2022-05-20 2:59:15 PM  

ElwoodCuse: atomic-age: WRT to antichoice women: misery loves company.

the only moral abortion is my abortion


The two most anti-abortion women I knew both were quite open to it when they thought they were accidentally pregnant.  I hate hypocrites, one of the reason they are people I knew not know.
 
2022-05-20 3:00:54 PM  
It's the anti-choicers who are having the abortions. Or dragging their daughters or mistresses to Planned Parenthood. Or paying their rape victims to shut up and get an abortion. Just like with wanting to ban porn, they hope to right themselves with god by preventing other people from getting what they were able to.

"Yes, I had an abortion but I prevented 10, so we good?

People they killed by not wearing a mask tho, they just didn't pray hard enough.
 
2022-05-20 3:02:18 PM  

ElwoodCuse: atomic-age: WRT to antichoice women: misery loves company.

the only moral abortion is my abortion


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2022-05-20 3:06:58 PM  
Yeah, playing with the GSS, the responses on ABANY seem to have strong correlations on some of the questions through about 1994 commonly used as authoritarianism proxies. I'm not finding any questions that seem good proxies post-1994, but I doubt much has changed.

(Since there's no significant difference on sex, it seems likely rooted in RWA rather than SDO.)
 
2022-05-20 3:07:04 PM  

ElwoodCuse: atomic-age: WRT to antichoice women: misery loves company.

the only moral abortion is my abortion


That article was one of the main ones, along with "Million Dollar Murray", and a few others that helped me realize how farked we are as a species.

Just fundamentally irrational and unable to engage in empathy beyond a certain small circle.
 
2022-05-20 3:09:30 PM  

DarkLancelot: I hate hypocrites


Double standards empirically seem to be one of the hallmarks of high-RWA authoritarians.
 
2022-05-20 3:10:17 PM  

whidbey: aleister_greynight: Yes, women also believe women shouldn't have rights.

Always a headscratcher.


Yeah, especially when it's the woman leading the party that's supposed to be Pro-Choice:

IN CASE YOU'RE WONDERING, NANCY PELOSI IS STILL SUPPORTING THE ONLY ANTIABORTION HOUSE DEMOCRAT
 
2022-05-20 3:16:58 PM  

whidbey: aleister_greynight: Yes, women also believe women shouldn't have rights.

Always a headscratcher.


In our next segment, we'll scratch our Centrist heads over why so many Black people voted for a candidate who chose a former DA with a shiatty civil rights record as his running mate, and who now wants to give Covid funds to police departments instead of an opponent who has been fighting for racial justice his entire life.
 
2022-05-20 3:17:18 PM  

aleister_greynight: Yes, women also believe women shouldn't have rights.


There is actually a lot of academic scholarship about this, and it's been around for centuries:

"It is alleged this could even be biological - a drive left over from a period when securing male support was necessary to female survival. Indeed, Lombroso was one of the first to espouse this Darwinian view of female relations. He claimed that competition for "resources" led to an instinctive hatred of their own sex among both animal and human females."

Not that I totally agree, but there is something to be said about the subconscious biological and psychological factors that drive us all. This following quote pretty much sums up what I have seen in my own experience:

"H.L. Mencken once defined a misogynist as a man who hates women as much as women hate one another."

/is a chick
//does not hate other women
///well, except maybe the Kardashians
 
2022-05-20 3:27:56 PM  

NeoMoxie: aleister_greynight: Yes, women also believe women shouldn't have rights.

There is actually a lot of academic scholarship about this, and it's been around for centuries:

"It is alleged this could even be biological - a drive left over from a period when securing male support was necessary to female survival. Indeed, Lombroso was one of the first to espouse this Darwinian view of female relations. He claimed that competition for "resources" led to an instinctive hatred of their own sex among both animal and human females."

Not that I totally agree, but there is something to be said about the subconscious biological and psychological factors that drive us all. This following quote pretty much sums up what I have seen in my own experience:

"H.L. Mencken once defined a misogynist as a man who hates women as much as women hate one another."

/is a chick
//does not hate other women
///well, except maybe the Kardashians


I would call it the disempowerment of women in conservative culture.  The only value granted to them is reproduction and nurture of family. The only sense of worth comes from the outward display of propriety and it's concomitant management of inward psychological pain.
 
2022-05-20 4:18:51 PM  
Conservative men know it won't happen to them.

Conservative women don't think it'll happen to them.  Until it does, of course.  Then they want exceptional treatment, because they're good Christians, not whores like all those other bed-hoppers.
 
2022-05-20 4:22:51 PM  

Weaver95: There are three kinds of lies - lies, damn lies and statistics.
This issue isn't about statistics. This is about what happens to a country weakened by decades of constant warfare, global pandemic and climate change and run by leaders who are either isolated and out of touch, or simply not interested in democracy anymore. Not to mention desperate to impose their weird toxic and unpopular gods on a population that doesn't want anything to do with their theology.
In other words - if you wanna know what comes next, read Machiavelli not a math textbook.
.


The real kicker is that these leaders are more or less exactly what large sections of the US are specifically asking for, and often they want even worse.  So they aren't "out of touch" with "the [well, their] people" at all, just that all of them have completely ignored reality in favor of the Jesus Koolaide.
 
2022-05-20 4:26:42 PM  

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New and fancier version of my old Pew graphic that was getting quite a workout lately.


These don't look as similar as the article suggests.

35% of women think abortion should always or mostly be illegal, 41% of men think the same.
63% of women think abortion should always or mostly be legal, 58% of men think the same.

Those numbers are closer than many would think, but no statistician should be calling them "Similar". The US has around 332 million people. Some quick math shows there are almost ten million more pro-choice women than men.

Our last Presidential election could have been flipped by as little as a hundred thousand people. These differences are significant.
 
2022-05-20 4:48:09 PM  
It's weird that SCOTUS, the far right fringe, and all -- are trying to please INCEL wannabes and they would define and entire first world nation as that.   Fear of lacking a solidly defined male role and fear of ambiguous lines of gender explain the NRA, Bathroom bills, Terroizing parents of trans kids by the GOP in Texas, Florida and the other bastions of male fear of losing control.  Restricting abortion is the last resort of trying to control women.

Having this agenda come to the front is like being in a neighborhood where dog whistles are so exotic that you have to have  two dozen DSM 5 Codes after you name to even hear them.
 
2022-05-20 4:49:11 PM  

aleister_greynight: Yes, women also believe women shouldn't have rights.


And that's why all these smug "If you don't have a uterus you don't get an opinion" people need to STFU.
 
2022-05-20 4:58:08 PM  

leviosaurus: Those numbers are closer than many would think, but no statistician should be calling them "Similar".


That depends on what the underlying sample size is. If the sample size was 100 men and 100 women, they would be "similar" unless the difference was at least 10 or 20 points.

leviosaurus: These differences are significant.


If differences in the population, yes; but yet such differences in measurement of the population aren't, unless they happen to correspond to such differences in the population -- which is not necessarily the case.
 
2022-05-20 5:03:41 PM  

whidbey: aleister_greynight: Yes, women also believe women shouldn't have rights.

Always a headscratcher.


https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/
 
2022-05-20 6:19:42 PM  
There are significant differences, axtually.

Numbers show there's still a presumed patriarchy operating in Society.
 
2022-05-20 6:33:43 PM  

Chariset: Conservative men know it won't happen to them.

Conservative women don't think it'll happen to them.  Until it does, of course.  Then they want exceptional treatment, because they're good Christians, not whores like all those other bed-hoppers.


Sounds like conservative women are dumb and need to all be made wards of the state.  Take away their vote and their autonomy.  They are a danger to themselves and the women around them.

Problem solved.
 
2022-05-20 7:09:05 PM  
And this is why the SCOTUS decision to (potentially) overturn Roe on abortion won't cause a blue/woman/progressive/whatever wave.

It isn't going to change anyone's mind, and will motivate opposing voting blocks similarly.
 
2022-05-20 7:19:37 PM  

Thingster: And this is why the SCOTUS decision to (potentially) overturn Roe on abortion won't cause a blue/woman/progressive/whatever wave.

It isn't going to change anyone's mind, and will motivate opposing voting blocks similarly.


A bloc is a group of people. A block is a childrens' toy.
 
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