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2022-05-20 1:35:46 PM  
In a sane world,
Something you'd pay for the food and drinks consumed (maybe), or any quality of life upgrades / voluntary services...
 
2022-05-20 1:40:38 PM  
The USA never tells you what it's going to cost up front.  If they did, you would just die.  Is that what you want?  Dead Americans?  So the price must be kept a closely guarded secret at all times.
 
2022-05-20 2:35:16 PM  
The entire medical system is poorly structured and rips some people off to subsidize others.

It would highly benefit from some standardization and government oversight.

And there are massive industries standing in the way of that ever happening because they like things the way they are.
 
2022-05-20 3:23:49 PM  
"French had expected to pay $1,337 out of pocket"

$1337?

If my quote came to that I'd respond with a "h4x".
 
2022-05-20 3:38:40 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: The USA never tells you what it's going to cost up front.  If they did, you would just die.  Is that what you want?  Dead Americans?  So the price must be kept a closely guarded secret at all times.


300,000 Freedom Tickets

Acc to the big business owned press
 
2022-05-20 3:39:28 PM  
Awesome now let's like, do that for all hospital bills for everyone. How will we pay for it? We'll all collectively put money in a BIG pot, and then, we'll use some of that money to make sure everyone has healthcare so it's like we live in a society. It'll emulate more civilized cultures since we live like barbarians.
 
2022-05-20 3:39:30 PM  

Slaxl: "French had expected to pay $1,337 out of pocket"

$1337?

If my quote came to that I'd respond with a "h4x".


Came to say something similar, you beat me AcidBurn.


/Hack the planet!
 
2022-05-20 3:39:45 PM  

AlgaeRancher: The entire medical system is poorly structured and rips some people off to subsidize others.

It would highly benefit from some standardization and government oversight.

And there are massive industries standing in the way of that ever happening because they like things the way they are.


The press calls that Democracy on capital hill.

But its not
 
2022-05-20 3:39:46 PM  
Medicare for All: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
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"America does have one of the best health care systems in the world... for rich and famous people. Unfortunately, too many people are born in this country with a terrible preexisting condition called 'not being Beyoncé.' Some of us, many of us, in fact, are Solange."
 
2022-05-20 3:40:35 PM  
$300k? She must have been in bad shape to need TWO aspirin.
 
2022-05-20 3:40:39 PM  
In a unanimous opinion, the Colorado justices ruled Monday that agreements French signed before surgery at St. Anthony North Health Campus in Westminster don't compel her to pay the extra charges, which stemmed from a then-secret list of prices for services that hadn't been disclosed to her.

Yes.  That's what secret means.
 
2022-05-20 3:40:53 PM  

HerptheDerp: Awesome now let's like, do that for all hospital bills for everyone. How will we pay for it? We'll all collectively put money in a BIG pot, and then, we'll use some of that money to make sure everyone has healthcare so it's like we live in a society. It'll emulate more civilized cultures since we live like barbarians.


That sounds like a good idea, and I could see how it might benefit me, but it sounds like brown people would benefit too, so no deal.

/this is what conservatives wont say, but are thinking
 
2022-05-20 3:41:34 PM  

AlgaeRancher: The entire medical system is poorly structured and rips some people off to subsidize others.

It would highly benefit from some standardization and government oversight.

And there are massive industries standing in the way of that ever happening because they like things the way they are.


Ticks, leeches and mosquitos don't want to do anything that changes the behavior of the host while they're feasting.
 
2022-05-20 3:41:57 PM  

jst3p: Slaxl: "French had expected to pay $1,337 out of pocket"

$1337?

If my quote came to that I'd respond with a "h4x".

Came to say something similar, you beat me AcidBurn.


/Hack the planet!


Debian Linux: the OS the universe uses.
 
2022-05-20 3:42:56 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: The USA never tells you what it's going to cost up front.  If they did, you would just die.  Is that what you want?  Dead Americans?  So the price must be kept a closely guarded secret at all times.


In this case the hospital did tell her what it would cost, but the employee told her it was in network and gave the cost based on that when it wasn't in network.

Otherwise she would probably be hosed.
 
2022-05-20 3:42:58 PM  

ImpendingCynic: $300k? She must have been in bad shape to need TWO aspirin.


Those aspirin can cure cancer
 
2022-05-20 3:44:10 PM  
Justice Richard Gabriel, writing for the court, further asserted that internal hospital chargemaster rates "have become increasingly arbitrary and, over time, have lost any direct connection to hospitals' actual costs, reflecting, instead, inflated rates set to produce a targeted amount of profit for the hospitals after factoring in discounts negotiated with private and governmental insurers."

I see nothing wrong here.  What could be wrong?  Nothing.  Nothing is wrong here.
 
2022-05-20 3:45:03 PM  

HerptheDerp: AlgaeRancher: The entire medical system is poorly structured and rips some people off to subsidize others.

It would highly benefit from some standardization and government oversight.

And there are massive industries standing in the way of that ever happening because they like things the way they are.

Ticks, leeches and mosquitos don't want to do anything that changes the behavior of the host while they're feasting.


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2022-05-20 3:46:06 PM  

dywed88: Marcus Aurelius: The USA never tells you what it's going to cost up front.  If they did, you would just die.  Is that what you want?  Dead Americans?  So the price must be kept a closely guarded secret at all times.

In this case the hospital did tell her what it would cost, but the employee told her it was in network and gave the cost based on that when it wasn't in network.

Otherwise she would probably be hosed.


And yet even though it was the hospital's mistake, an appeals court said tough shiat, she has to pay them:
"An appeals court later ruled for Centura, finding that hospitals can't predict exact care costs in advance and that the term "all the charges" included in the contract obligated French to pay to full amount charged her."

She had to go to the CO Supreme Court to get this bullshiat tossed.
 
2022-05-20 3:54:27 PM  
It's a bill from a big building filled with sick people, but that's not important right now.
 
2022-05-20 3:55:04 PM  
My mom's been on chemo for 5 years.

My dad had an aortic dissection when he was up north fishing. He had to take an ambulance to a hospital (1.5 hour drive). They gave him an MRI, found the dissection and immediately flew him on a small plane to a larger hospital where they rolled him right into the ER and saved is life.

Both of them combined have paid about 300 bucks for PARKING at the various hospitals.

The next time some yammering f--kwit tries to tell you Canadian healthcare is broken, please tell them they have no idea WTF they are talking about.

Your politicians keep telling you socialized healthcare is not feasible because the lobbyists keep bribing them to do that.
 
2022-05-20 3:58:04 PM  

Linux_Yes: HerptheDerp: AlgaeRancher: The entire medical system is poorly structured and rips some people off to subsidize others.

It would highly benefit from some standardization and government oversight.

And there are massive industries standing in the way of that ever happening because they like things the way they are.

Ticks, leeches and mosquitos don't want to do anything that changes the behavior of the host while they're feasting.

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tickapp.tamu.eduView Full Size
 
2022-05-20 3:59:07 PM  
You cannot have a fair and free market in an industry where one party cannot walk away.
 
2022-05-20 4:02:43 PM  

MLWS: My mom's been on chemo for 5 years.

My dad had an aortic dissection when he was up north fishing. He had to take an ambulance to a hospital (1.5 hour drive). They gave him an MRI, found the dissection and immediately flew him on a small plane to a larger hospital where they rolled him right into the ER and saved is life.

Both of them combined have paid about 300 bucks for PARKING at the various hospitals.

The next time some yammering f--kwit tries to tell you Canadian healthcare is broken, please tell them they have no idea WTF they are talking about.

Your politicians keep telling you socialized healthcare is not feasible because the lobbyists keep bribing them to do that.


Bullshiat.  Every Canadian I've talked to hates the health care system.

/Yes, this is what we down South hear from opponents of single payer every time we mention Canada.  The retort I always use:  "If your friends were representative of the ACTUAL Canadian majority, wouldn't it be the easiest thing in the world to run on as a politician?   Everybody hates the system, so I'll run to change it.  But nobody does that.  MAYBE because despite what you're saying your 'friend' told you, people in Canada are ok with it overall.  Maybe they have a bunch of things they don't like about it.  But maybe they also like knowing they have an infinitely smaller amount of medical bankruptcies than we do in the States."
 
2022-05-20 4:04:40 PM  
It's a big building with bills for patients, but that's not important right now.
 
2022-05-20 4:07:10 PM  

Ishkur: You cannot have a fair and free market in an industry where one party cannot walk away.


The healthcare industry has a business model the Mafia would envy: "Your money or your life."
 
2022-05-20 4:14:27 PM  
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2022-05-20 4:21:40 PM  

dustman81: Ishkur: You cannot have a fair and free market in an industry where one party cannot walk away.

The healthcare industry has a business model the Mafia would envy: "Your money or your life."


The healthcare industry isn't the problem. The health insurance industry, and their lobbyists, are. As long as they are allowed to throw near limitless amounts of "Free $peech" at our politicians nothing is going to change.
 
2022-05-20 4:21:53 PM  

HerptheDerp: AlgaeRancher: The entire medical system is poorly structured and rips some people off to subsidize others.

It would highly benefit from some standardization and government oversight.

And there are massive industries standing in the way of that ever happening because they like things the way they are.

Ticks, leeches and mosquitos don't want to do anything that changes the behavior of the host while they're feasting.


also,
It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.
--Upton Sinclair
 
2022-05-20 4:24:44 PM  
How come Joe Biden hasn't forgiven all hospital bills yet?
 
2022-05-20 4:27:05 PM  
For profit healthcare is so awesome.
 
2022-05-20 4:28:03 PM  

HerptheDerp: Linux_Yes: HerptheDerp: AlgaeRancher: The entire medical system is poorly structured and rips some people off to subsidize others.

It would highly benefit from some standardization and government oversight.

And there are massive industries standing in the way of that ever happening because they like things the way they are.

Ticks, leeches and mosquitos don't want to do anything that changes the behavior of the host while they're feasting.

[Fark user image 425x303]

[tickapp.tamu.edu image 545x304]


i.pinimg.comView Full Size
 
2022-05-20 4:32:57 PM  

ToastmasterGeneral: MLWS: My mom's been on chemo for 5 years.

My dad had an aortic dissection when he was up north fishing. He had to take an ambulance to a hospital (1.5 hour drive). They gave him an MRI, found the dissection and immediately flew him on a small plane to a larger hospital where they rolled him right into the ER and saved is life.

Both of them combined have paid about 300 bucks for PARKING at the various hospitals.

The next time some yammering f--kwit tries to tell you Canadian healthcare is broken, please tell them they have no idea WTF they are talking about.

Your politicians keep telling you socialized healthcare is not feasible because the lobbyists keep bribing them to do that.

Bullshiat.  Every Canadian I've talked to hates the health care system.

/Yes, this is what we down South hear from opponents of single payer every time we mention Canada.  The retort I always use:  "If your friends were representative of the ACTUAL Canadian majority, wouldn't it be the easiest thing in the world to run on as a politician?   Everybody hates the system, so I'll run to change it.  But nobody does that.  MAYBE because despite what you're saying your 'friend' told you, people in Canada are ok with it overall.  Maybe they have a bunch of things they don't like about it.  But maybe they also like knowing they have an infinitely smaller amount of medical bankruptcies than we do in the States."


Yes, there are idiots in Canada too.
 
2022-05-20 4:34:27 PM  
shall we take bets on how long it'll be before some freethinker arrives to remind us that this is just the latest on long list of Biden failures.
 
2022-05-20 4:42:32 PM  
Three x-rays of my poor abused lower spine just cost me $350 with insurance. The best system. No other way is better, guys. We're superior.
 
2022-05-20 4:43:13 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: The USA never tells you what it's going to cost up front.  If they did, you would just die.  Is that what you want?  Dead Americans?  So the price must be kept a closely guarded secret at all times.


If I got cancer it would be better for my daughter and wife I did die. At least the life insurance would protect them from joining me in the poor house.
 
2022-05-20 4:47:49 PM  
Yours is the country of boring, white cowards.

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/ Guess where we had free doctors:  Prague
 
2022-05-20 4:50:57 PM  

ToastmasterGeneral: MLWS: My mom's been on chemo for 5 years.

My dad had an aortic dissection when he was up north fishing. He had to take an ambulance to a hospital (1.5 hour drive). They gave him an MRI, found the dissection and immediately flew him on a small plane to a larger hospital where they rolled him right into the ER and saved is life.

Both of them combined have paid about 300 bucks for PARKING at the various hospitals.

The next time some yammering f--kwit tries to tell you Canadian healthcare is broken, please tell them they have no idea WTF they are talking about.

Your politicians keep telling you socialized healthcare is not feasible because the lobbyists keep bribing them to do that.

Bullshiat.  Every Canadian I've talked to hates the health care system.

/Yes, this is what we down South hear from opponents of single payer every time we mention Canada.  The retort I always use:  "If your friends were representative of the ACTUAL Canadian majority, wouldn't it be the easiest thing in the world to run on as a politician?   Everybody hates the system, so I'll run to change it.  But nobody does that.  MAYBE because despite what you're saying your 'friend' told you, people in Canada are ok with it overall.  Maybe they have a bunch of things they don't like about it.  But maybe they also like knowing they have an infinitely smaller amount of medical bankruptcies than we do in the States."


You need to talk to more Canadians. Can it be improved for non life threatening stuff? Sure. But when shiat get's real, you get taken care of.
 
2022-05-20 4:58:06 PM  
French's bill was $303,709. Her insurance paid roughly $74,000 of that amount. Centura Health, which operates the nonprofit hospital, sued for the balance.

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2022-05-20 5:02:42 PM  
This one hits close.

Today is friday, two days ago, on wednesday may 18th, I was released from hospital after being checked in on April 28th with severe renal insufficiency probably due to years of prescription bph and antiarrhythmic meds and a recent severe collapse in blood pressure. I was at Montreal's CHUM hospital where every room is private and has its own washroom and shower. Being able to get up every morning (wake up at 5:00 am for a blood test, followed by taking my vitals), take a shower, put on a fresh,clean hospital gown, fresh underwear and socks goes a long way towards making one feel human despite being sick. The cost to me was $0, my taxes pay for this. When my wife and daughters came for a visit, parking was free on weekends and free for the first 2 hours on weekdays. 

There will be lots of follow up blood work and visits with the nephrologists, again all covered by my taxes.

That is what a proper first-world medical system looks like.
 
2022-05-20 5:04:30 PM  

The Reverend Sam Hill: French's bill was $303,709. Her insurance paid roughly $74,000 of that amount. Centura Health, which operates the nonprofit hospital, sued for the balance.

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We have a max out of pocket of 10k. For childbirth one of the doctors kept trying to use bill collectors to nail us for 15k even though there was mounting evidence being handed to him from us to the bill collector (who was getting annoyed they were putting in so much work for $25). That shiat didn't end till sent the bill to the health insurance fax number who then sent their lawyers and finally stopped it.
 
2022-05-20 5:04:48 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: [YouTube video: Medicare for All: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)]

"America does have one of the best health care systems in the world... for rich and famous people. Unfortunately, too many people are born in this country with a terrible preexisting condition called 'not being Beyoncé.' Some of us, many of us, in fact, are Solange."


What's mind boggling is that from Beyoncé's level, Solange is barely different from a barista or cashier, but from the level of the barista or cashier, Solange is pretty damn rich.

Beyoncé is cool and all, but seriously there should be no billionaires.
 
2022-05-20 5:05:14 PM  

capt.hollister: This one hits close.

Today is friday, two days ago, on wednesday may 18th, I was released from hospital after being checked in on April 28th with severe renal insufficiency probably due to years of prescription bph and antiarrhythmic meds and a recent severe collapse in blood pressure. I was at Montreal's CHUM hospital where every room is private and has its own washroom and shower. Being able to get up every morning (wake up at 5:00 am for a blood test, followed by taking my vitals), take a shower, put on a fresh,clean hospital gown, fresh underwear and socks goes a long way towards making one feel human despite being sick. The cost to me was $0, my taxes pay for this. When my wife and daughters came for a visit, parking was free on weekends and free for the first 2 hours on weekdays. 

There will be lots of follow up blood work and visits with the nephrologists, again all covered by my taxes.

That is what a proper first-world medical system looks like.



Yeah, but dude, do we ever have a terrific military! USA! USA! USA!
 
2022-05-20 5:06:34 PM  

HerptheDerp: AlgaeRancher: The entire medical system is poorly structured and rips some people off to subsidize others.

It would highly benefit from some standardization and government oversight.

And there are massive industries standing in the way of that ever happening because they like things the way they are.

Ticks, leeches and mosquitos don't want to do anything that changes the behavior of the host while they're feasting.


unless the behavior change allow them to siphon off blood more efficiently and effectively. those modifications are welcome.
 
2022-05-20 5:10:15 PM  

Beokitten: HerptheDerp: AlgaeRancher: The entire medical system is poorly structured and rips some people off to subsidize others.

It would highly benefit from some standardization and government oversight.

And there are massive industries standing in the way of that ever happening because they like things the way they are.

Ticks, leeches and mosquitos don't want to do anything that changes the behavior of the host while they're feasting.

unless the behavior change allow them to siphon off blood more efficiently and effectively. those modifications are welcome.


How's that High Deductible Plan the government pushed us into back in 2010 working out?
 
2022-05-20 5:16:23 PM  

Intrepid00: Beokitten: HerptheDerp: AlgaeRancher: The entire medical system is poorly structured and rips some people off to subsidize others.

It would highly benefit from some standardization and government oversight.

And there are massive industries standing in the way of that ever happening because they like things the way they are.

Ticks, leeches and mosquitos don't want to do anything that changes the behavior of the host while they're feasting.

unless the behavior change allow them to siphon off blood more efficiently and effectively. those modifications are welcome.

How's that High Deductible Plan the government pushed us into back in 2010 working out?


im talking about the parasite analogy. its not uncommon for parasites to change their hosts behavior in order to feed more effectively. do with that what you will.
 
2022-05-20 5:23:43 PM  
According to my doctors, medicare pays a fraction of what regular insurance does.
They only accept it because regular insurance makes up the difference.

So if want medicare for all, the government needs to pay equal amount to the doctors and medical people or there wont be very many to go around.

Main reason doctors go through 10+ years of training is the rewards they get at the end. As in money.

Unless doctors are lying
 
2022-05-20 5:24:36 PM  
She had to go to the state Supreme Court to get her medical bill reduced? Probably just means she owes her lawyers $300k instead now.
 
2022-05-20 5:30:48 PM  

stevenvictx: According to my doctors, medicare pays a fraction of what regular insurance does.
They only accept it because regular insurance makes up the difference.

So if want medicare for all, the government needs to pay equal amount to the doctors and medical people or there wont be very many to go around.

Main reason doctors go through 10+ years of training is the rewards they get at the end. As in money.

Unless doctors are lying



Your doctor is lying.

One of my friends is a Glaucoma specialist and he's doing great. Want to get what insurance he primarily deals with?
 
2022-05-20 5:33:45 PM  
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