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2022-05-20 12:40:21 PM  
Some people think it's funny butt it's really wet and runny ... chemotherapy.
 
2022-05-20 12:51:48 PM  
What happens to the invasion of Ukraine if Putin gets sick and dies?
Other than a world wide celebration I mean.
 
2022-05-20 1:21:23 PM  
C'mon. Do a death.
 
2022-05-20 1:21:36 PM  
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2022-05-20 1:22:13 PM  

Weaver95: What happens to the invasion of Ukraine if Putin gets sick and dies?
Other than a world wide celebration I mean.



Probably the only real "out" for Russia at this point. Put all the blame on Putin, offer to help rebuild Ukraine instead of being ordered to, and start groveling.

I don't think any sanctions go away as long as Putin is alive and free.
 
2022-05-20 1:22:49 PM  
and how would a former spy know this?
 
2022-05-20 1:23:39 PM  

Gin Buddy: I don't think any sanctions go away as long as Putin is alive and free.


I don't think sanctions should ever be lifted.  fark Russia forever.
 
2022-05-20 1:24:04 PM  

stuhayes2010: and how would a former spy know this?


If they are a former spy and still alive, then they're probably damn good at spying.
Just a thought.
 
2022-05-20 1:25:18 PM  

wademh: Some people think it's funny butt it's really wet and runny ... chemotherapy.


F*ck cancer. However, were Putin to expire, my mourning period would be measured in attoseconds.
 
2022-05-20 1:26:47 PM  
He looks tired.
 
2022-05-20 1:27:39 PM  
Headline could have been womp womp or oh, no! anyway...
 
2022-05-20 1:28:14 PM  
Putin reminds me of Sator, the Russian villain in Tenet, who was doing and wanted to bring the whole world duck with him
 
2022-05-20 1:28:30 PM  

Glitchwerks: Gin Buddy: I don't think any sanctions go away as long as Putin is alive and free.

I don't think sanctions should ever be lifted.  fark Russia forever.


Yeah, I kind-of agree.

At this point in their history, the Russian people themselves can't exactly claim that it's their leaders that are the problem. The entire *culture* in Russia is poisonous. The Russians have had *multiple* opportunities to get their shiat together, and they blow it every time. Because in Russia, "success" means being part of the kleptocracy.

If they want to be part of civilization, they need to fix it.

Now, people in North Korea...they legitimately don't know any better. They need to be *saved*.  Same can be said of China, to a lesser degree.
 
2022-05-20 1:28:44 PM  
"And so clearly he is seriously ill, I mean how terminal or incurable it is not clear... we can't be entirely sure,"

We can't be sure...but we CAN delight in the possibilities.

*Putin's insides slowly turning into highly acidic human magma, escaping from his body via anal leakage*

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2022-05-20 1:28:50 PM  

stuhayes2010: and how would a former spy know this?


Old-school spy with a network of foreign informants.

Retirement doesn't mean that the network up and evaporates. Might even mean it gets chattier.
 
2022-05-20 1:29:50 PM  

Glitchwerks: Gin Buddy: I don't think any sanctions go away as long as Putin is alive and free.

I don't think sanctions should ever be lifted.  fark Russia forever.


If russia really wants to rejoin the wider world they'll need to surrender the nukes and the USA can do the same. No more stupid threats. Complete disarmament won't happen but 75-90% would be a good start. Or maybe I'm dreaming.
 
2022-05-20 1:30:13 PM  

Weaver95: What happens to the invasion of Ukraine if Putin gets sick and dies?
Other than a world wide celebration I mean.


Dancing in the streets around the world like when TFG lost.

/then probably a hasty withdrawal from Ukraine by whoever takes over and a gloss over of the attack like it never happened
 
2022-05-20 1:30:14 PM  

stuhayes2010: and how would a former spy know this?


Spies have eyes. And spy friends.
 
2022-05-20 1:31:03 PM  
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2022-05-20 1:32:41 PM  
"Former British intelligence agent Christopher Steele has claimed..."

So are there pee-pee tapes?
 
2022-05-20 1:33:36 PM  

Xaxor: Glitchwerks: Gin Buddy: I don't think any sanctions go away as long as Putin is alive and free.

I don't think sanctions should ever be lifted.  fark Russia forever.

If russia really wants to rejoin the wider world they'll need to surrender the nukes and the USA can do the same. No more stupid threats. Complete disarmament won't happen but 75-90% would be a good start. Or maybe I'm dreaming.


We won't get rid of ours because of the other countries that have them or are trying to. But Russia should definitely give up all of theirs. They don't need them for defense and they're going to be really financially farked and not in a position to safely maintain them.

Essentially Russia needs to start over. New government, new goals, and new commitment to being part of the global economy.
 
2022-05-20 1:33:45 PM  
However, what's still scary is that he's in a position to not give a fark about anything if he knows he's likely to die soon. I could see him using nukes because at some point he'll have nothing to lose and knows he's dying anyway.
 
2022-05-20 1:34:49 PM  

Weaver95: What happens to the invasion of Ukraine if Putin gets sick and dies?
Other than a world wide celebration I mean.


Russia pulls back, begs for forgiveness and never starts this shiat again.  The generals won't say anything publicly but everybody now knows their army is a paper tiger.
 
2022-05-20 1:35:28 PM  
Putin is El Presidente for Life, so the next few successors probably have short, uncomfortable reigns.

Barring, of course, the possibility that it's all spin and the next leader of Russia is Pladimir Vutin.
 
2022-05-20 1:37:37 PM  
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2022-05-20 1:38:48 PM  

MelGoesOnTour: However, what's still scary is that he's in a position to not give a fark about anything if he knows he's likely to die soon. I could see him using nukes because at some point he'll have nothing to lose and knows he's dying anyway.


Or he cares too much about his legacy. Was he trying to rebuild the USSR only for himself or was it because he wanted to go down in history as the leader who did it and got it right this time?

He just might love his country more than anything else.
 
2022-05-20 1:38:56 PM  
Looks like the tea didn't agree with him
 
2022-05-20 1:39:00 PM  
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2022-05-20 1:39:14 PM  

Chthonic Echoes: stuhayes2010: and how would a former spy know this?

Old-school spy with a network of foreign informants.

Retirement doesn't mean that the network up and evaporates. Might even mean it gets chattier.


I mean honestly if you just look at Putin right now you can tell he ain't doing so hot.
Add in the fact he's been traveling with a Cancer Doctor at his side since before the Invasion.
You don't have to be a spy to figure this out.
 
2022-05-20 1:41:33 PM  

Weaver95: What happens to the invasion of Ukraine if Putin gets sick and dies?
Other than a world wide celebration I mean.


The image that comes to mind of the immediate aftermath of a post-Putin Russia is a bunch of goons playing musical chairs during a Mexican standoff. Absent a color revolution giving the Russian government a much-needed enema, the immediate successors will likely be pressed to keep up an image of strength and continuity fend off fellow pretenders. Running away from Ukraine would fark that up. If anything, they would be pressured to double down on it and be more tempted to reach into Russia's chemical and nuclear arsenal for a quick, easy fix.
 
2022-05-20 1:42:16 PM  
♫ Oh well, goodbye
I hope you'll die
That ain't a shame  ♫
 
2022-05-20 1:42:30 PM  
At least Putin didn't have four sons to rule over his empire before he lost his marbles and his health.  Just remembering their names would become very difficult soon.  I'm not sure he's paranoid enough yet.

Machiavelli doesn't seem to offer much about when a agent for international secret disruption holds imperial power, what to do to guard that position when you get old and sick.
 
2022-05-20 1:46:10 PM  

Weaver95: What happens to the invasion of Ukraine if Putin gets sick and dies?
Other than a world wide celebration I mean.


Putin pushes the button on the way out

On the bright side, global warming will be solved
 
2022-05-20 1:47:49 PM  

Glitchwerks: Gin Buddy: I don't think any sanctions go away as long as Putin is alive and free.

I don't think sanctions should ever be lifted.  fark Russia forever.


The heavy penalties and cost of reparations for WWI on Germany is the main reason Hitler was able to rise to power and start WW2.
 
2022-05-20 1:47:52 PM  
However, the former spy went on to say although Putin appears to be quite ill, what is actually wrong with the president is unknown.
"And so clearly he is seriously ill, I mean how terminal or incurable it is not clear... we can't be entirely sure," Steele added in the interview.


So pretty much the same speculation we've seen for months.  I don't know who's tops on my list of villains I'd like to see drop dead of a stroke.  There's Putin, Trump, one or two Supreme Court justices and MBS.  So far we're not having any luck.
 
2022-05-20 1:50:56 PM  

Flappyhead: Weaver95: What happens to the invasion of Ukraine if Putin gets sick and dies?
Other than a world wide celebration I mean.

Russia pulls back, begs for forgiveness and never starts this shiat again.  The generals won't say anything publicly but everybody now knows their army is a paper tiger.


Russia will not pull back.  At best, they will keep the ground they have already taken and stop more aggressions.
 
2022-05-20 1:55:44 PM  

saturn badger: Headline could have been womp womp or oh, no! anyway...


Both of those will work for when Trump finally dies, too, along with that medical warning about erections lasting longer than 4 hours.
 
2022-05-20 1:55:47 PM  

Weaver95: What happens to the invasion of Ukraine if Putin gets sick and dies?
Other than a world wide celebration I mean.


Guys like Putin don't normally have natural successors; they tend to not want any one person getting too close to the throne. A full-scale Russian civil war is not outside the realm of possibilities.
 
2022-05-20 2:01:52 PM  
In the spirit of Charles II, let his autopsy state: "his heart was the size of a peppercorn; his lungs corroded; his intestines rotten and gangrenous; he had a single testicle, black as coal, and his head was full of water."
 
2022-05-20 2:03:31 PM  

Glitchwerks: Gin Buddy: I don't think any sanctions go away as long as Putin is alive and free.

I don't think sanctions should ever be lifted.  fark Russia forever.


Sanctions shouldn't budge until Russia leaves Crimea at least.
 
2022-05-20 2:08:19 PM  
Would be nice if he let the Russian Army go home on vacation too.
 
2022-05-20 2:14:45 PM  

Weaver95: What happens to the invasion of Ukraine if Putin gets sick and dies?
Other than a world wide celebration I mean.


Depends on who succeeds him, I suppose. This war had the backing of several of those close to him. If the opposition finally manages to take over, I wouldn't bet on the invasion lasting more than 24 hours...
 
2022-05-20 2:16:47 PM  

realmolo: Glitchwerks: Gin Buddy: I don't think any sanctions go away as long as Putin is alive and free.

I don't think sanctions should ever be lifted.  fark Russia forever.

Yeah, I kind-of agree.

At this point in their history, the Russian people themselves can't exactly claim that it's their leaders that are the problem. The entire *culture* in Russia is poisonous. The Russians have had *multiple* opportunities to get their shiat together, and they blow it every time. Because in Russia, "success" means being part of the kleptocracy.

If they want to be part of civilization, they need to fix it.

Now, people in North Korea...they legitimately don't know any better. They need to be *saved*.  Same can be said of China, to a lesser degree.


Yea. Let's put an entire country to its knees. What could go wrong?
/see 1930 Germany for details
 
2022-05-20 2:21:35 PM  

Flowery Twats: wademh: Some people think it's funny butt it's really wet and runny ... chemotherapy.

F*ck cancer. However, were Putin to expire, my mourning period would be measured in attoseconds.

Imagine if his cancer and RBG's had swapped so that it was he who died last fall, and she were still alive but not in great shape now.
 
2022-05-20 2:38:25 PM  
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2022-05-20 2:38:32 PM  

Social Justice Warlock: Yea. Let's put an entire country to its knees. What could go wrong?
/see 1930 Germany for details


Russia is committing genocide.  Quite frankly my first preference is "glass parking lot."
 
2022-05-20 2:53:33 PM  

Glitchwerks: Social Justice Warlock: Yea. Let's put an entire country to its knees. What could go wrong?
/see 1930 Germany for details

Russia is committing genocide.  Quite frankly my first preference is "glass parking lot."


So you're response to one genocide is to commit another.
 
2022-05-20 3:01:04 PM  
C'mon, Vlad, what you really need to help your condition is a little more stress and aggravation.  And let's make sure you get plenty of late night calls after midnight, early in the morning.  Wouldn't want a good night's sleep.  Hopefully, the kitchen staff are letting that Borscht sit out for several hours, then warming it just enough...

Or you could just die already.
 
2022-05-20 3:04:22 PM  
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2022-05-20 4:42:03 PM  

Gin Buddy: Weaver95: What happens to the invasion of Ukraine if Putin gets sick and dies?
Other than a world wide celebration I mean.


Probably the only real "out" for Russia at this point. Put all the blame on Putin, offer to help rebuild Ukraine instead of being ordered to, and start groveling.

I don't think any sanctions go away as long as Putin is alive and free.


You'll never see any Russian attempts to rebuild Ukraine (and any such attempts would exist only to assist a second third round).

Removing sanctions is just asking Russia to fix their army and try again.  But the problem with sanctions is that they tend to hurt both sides (ideally Europe won't need Russian gas any more, that would be more effective than any legal sanctions we could make), so plenty of nations drop then as soon as they can.

exPFCWintergreen: Weaver95: What happens to the invasion of Ukraine if Putin gets sick and dies?
Other than a world wide celebration I mean.

The image that comes to mind of the immediate aftermath of a post-Putin Russia is a bunch of goons playing musical chairs during a Mexican standoff. Absent a color revolution giving the Russian government a much-needed enema, the immediate successors will likely be pressed to keep up an image of strength and continuity fend off fellow pretenders. Running away from Ukraine would fark that up. If anything, they would be pressured to double down on it and be more tempted to reach into Russia's chemical and nuclear arsenal for a quick, easy fix.


This makes sense, but any post-Putin leader will need both money and troops in Russia, and continuing a campaign in Ukraine will drain them fast.  But there will be a strong push to invade Ukraine a third time, and they might even learn a little from their mistakes.  I'd expect some sort of 5-6 year army plan to be ready for a third invasion.  I am not confident Ukraine can win a third round, but the chaos of a regime struggle might be a great time to have Ukraine join NATO (even if we have to kick Turkey out).

Staying in Ukraine would be a WWI-level fiasco for any Russian politician.  Their army is dying.  Their economy is being towed away by Ukrainian tractors.  I'd doubt that pulling out of Ukraine would be worse for a post-Putin leader than surrendering to Germany during WWI was for Lenin (and they'd only lose Crimea and the rest of previously stolen Ukraine, not Poland and most of Eastern Europe like against the Germans).
 
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