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2022-05-20 10:06:08 AM  
Replacement theory is just the modernization of the "other" that fascists have pointed to as the cause of all their peoples' ills. It gives the ignorant a target to focus their anger on. The fact Oban endorsed it is proof enough that it's abject bullshiat.

It's also easy to get folks to believe it. Social change is slowly picking up steam and minorities are becoming far more visible. It used to be that anyone who wasn't white and heterosexual (and usually male) was forced to remain even more marginalized and under-represented.

We have a chunk of the populace that works HARD to try and force reality to match their perception. It's no surprise that to these <sarcasm>powerful thinkers</sarcasm> cling to the idea that they're being replaced because they see all these new {{ insert random demographics }} start showing up in their [town, state, politics, media].

Plus, the fact that whites are a shrinking group in this country is appalling to them and they hold it up as further evidence of replacement. Provided it's that random time of day where they'll believe the statistics. That's before they revert to making angry mayonnaise noises that white people are absolutely the majority and any statement otherwise is racist propaganda.
 
2022-05-20 10:08:59 AM  
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2022-05-20 10:43:55 AM  
Because despite the contrary, the GOP and their White Power Motherf*ckers can do basic math.

White folks are projected, and have been projected, to fall under the 50% line by around 2030. That's with birthrates, immigration, and folks dying. Which, white folks have been going for like gangbusters lately. The demographics are shifting, and again, that's just math.

And more, the GOP can't count on white folks, who WILL still remain the most numerous grouping, but black, brown, and all the other colors of the rainbow are going to make up REST of the country. You know, the folks that they've been systematically maligning and blaming for all of society's ills upon.

"Replacement Theory," at least this latest iteration, was a screed by a Frenchman who really didn't like seeing a lot of Islamic immigrants coming into France, and worse, staying and becoming citizens, and voting and otherwise making themselves at home. In the States, it's gotten all twisted up with less than academic threads, with Islamaphobia being a bit of a current, but more, folks are worried about brown and black folks, from here and abroad, realizing that they've got numbers and can vote. Which is why you are seeing so many efforts to purge voter rolls. Which is why you are seeing red meat issues thrown to Evangelicals, and their Quiverfull buddies, like abortion. Which is why you've seen so many folks who HATE the idea of immigration. It's about the GOP desperately trying to battle math.

They are terrified with becoming a minority. Because they KNOW how they treat minorities, and since they aren't exactly the most imaginative of sorts, they can only extrapolate that folks who get into power, that aren't white and 'Conservative'--which the party hasn't been for a long while, but the Radical Right doesn't sing to old folks, does it--would do in their place. Despite folks telling them that equality is kind of the issue.

And oddly enough, a lot of the ills that this country has, is that Sofa King many folks are looking for someone to push down, that they can't see that if they'd f*cking relax about it, that things could get better all around. Yes, there would be more black and brown faces in business. And those folks would be paying taxes, and there would be more to go around, to help pay for those programs that they hate so much because they 'take away' money from issues near and dear to their hearts. With more people, all working together, we could solve some of their woes, like worker shortages that folks are screaming about. Like supply chain issues, if there were more folks to be IN that industry.

Dealing more folks in at the table means a bigger pot. Just less chances of taking it all home, and that is the problem. Folks who are so convinced that only THEY are entitled to the fruits of everyone else's labor. And there used to be a clear dividing line of who you could rook with relative impunity, and that was easy to see for any cop or regulatory agency, as clear as the face of the rooked.

Things are going to be getting complicated. It's no longer going to be simply, 'we only cater to old white dudes.' It's going to mean more nuance. More dealing with women's issues. More care. More opportunities. It means sharing the table, and the numbers don't favor that white dudes are alone there, and a lot of them...they hates it.  Because they've already done the math, and wishing math into the cornfield isn't really changing things, so now it's focused on ignoring the math, and changing the rules, and just cheating races to deny that there were any other votes. Because Great Freedom.

These motherf*ckers ARE going to embrace full on fascism soon enough because they can do the math. And they hate that they're already outnumbered.
 
2022-05-20 11:03:50 AM  
The short answer is because Viktor Orban still believes Hungary is defending Christendom from the eastern hordes.
 
2022-05-20 11:04:08 AM  
the speech literally contains an exhortation to "make Hungary great again."

Like when the Hapsburgs ruled it from Austria?
 
2022-05-20 11:04:27 AM  
Hungary required no coaxing to join the axis powers. They were first in line after the top dogs. I'm not surprised about their willingness to sign onto Nazi ideology.
 
2022-05-20 11:06:09 AM  
The Hungarian people have a big problem...
 
2022-05-20 11:08:00 AM  
I prefer the white replacement/genocide conspiracy theories that came out of the Rhodesia crowd cause thats some distilled irony.
 
2022-05-20 11:08:46 AM  

hubiestubert: White folks are projected, and have been projected, to fall under the 50% line by around 2030. That's with birthrates, immigration, and folks dying. Which, white folks have been going for like gangbusters lately. The demographics are shifting, and again, that's just math.


The thing both sides seem to miss in their "demographics speak for themselves" is that just because someone is Hispanic doesn't mean their great grandkids will be. Throughout history by the third generation most immigrants aren't self-identifying with their homeland anymore. Austin Ramirez is going to be white non-Hispanic on his census forms more likely than not. "White" is a constantly morphing ingroup that will always include enough non-WASPs to remain in the majority for the foreseeable future.
 
2022-05-20 11:10:48 AM  
Not really interested in all these articles about "why" replacement theory is a thing for white supremacist or where they get their stupid farking ideas from. They are white supremacist, they should be shouted down every single time they open their mouths to say anything. Their ideology does not deserve an open dialog, or a debate, or any kind of discourse. Simply tell them; "Sit down and shut the fark up you Nazi piece of shiat" and move on to the next person/subject. STOP GIVING THEM A PLATFORM (looking at you FOX news).

Fark me.
 
2022-05-20 11:16:50 AM  

Grungehamster: hubiestubert: White folks are projected, and have been projected, to fall under the 50% line by around 2030. That's with birthrates, immigration, and folks dying. Which, white folks have been going for like gangbusters lately. The demographics are shifting, and again, that's just math.

The thing both sides seem to miss in their "demographics speak for themselves" is that just because someone is Hispanic doesn't mean their great grandkids will be. Throughout history by the third generation most immigrants aren't self-identifying with their homeland anymore. Austin Ramirez is going to be white non-Hispanic on his census forms more likely than not. "White" is a constantly morphing ingroup that will always include enough non-WASPs to remain in the majority for the foreseeable future.


The difficulty is that folks tend to remember the stories of the cops rolling up your home, or business, or banks telling your parents 'no' again and again. The definition of white will certainly change to include more folks of Hispanic origin, but a lot of folks folks are still going to remember Grandpa's stories, and their own parents'.

And despite the color 'shifting', you're STILL going to have folks who give the side-eye to anyone that isn't the right religion or whose nation of origin was wrong. You know, up until they themselves die off.
 
2022-05-20 11:17:26 AM  
If Dems were smart, they'd craft a bill that would combat "replacement theory" to get the GOP to stop supporting it, putting in it language that would return land back to NA tribes.
 
2022-05-20 11:17:35 AM  
The GOP keeps claiming to not be Nazis, but they keep doing Nazi shiat.
 
2022-05-20 11:19:11 AM  

Grungehamster: The thing both sides seem to miss in their "demographics speak for themselves" is that just because someone is Hispanic doesn't mean their great grandkids will be. Throughout history by the third generation most immigrants aren't self-identifying with their homeland anymore.


I could also see the term "white" expanding to include them, mixed or not.  It wasn't that long ago where most Italians and Greeks weren't considered as such.
 
2022-05-20 11:23:55 AM  
This is so bizarre to me as a white, middle aged cis male.  I simply can't wrap my head around the idea driving these folks that our differences (origin, gender, sexuality, race, whatever) make us somehow weaker, rather than stronger.

It's especially ludicrous to attempt to understand the idea that guys that look like me are "superior" somehow.  Most of the worst people I've had working for me professionally looked and sounded very much like me.  No one type of person has the market on incompetence, stupidity or sloth.

Replacement theory is itself lazy, reductionist thinking clearly meant to attempt to simplify complex economic and social issues for the simple-minded. 

One of my favorite quotes is "I don't have enough money because poor people are hoarding it."  Replacement theory posits that because white men are losing their status it's because the weakest folks in our society, especially immigrants, are somehow "stealing" that status.  Rather than struggling to get by like everybody else.
 
2022-05-20 11:26:06 AM  
What a steaming pile of pseudo intellectualism. A nation doesn't have to reproduce itself as a demographic or social carbon copy to maintain its identity. This is conservative idiocy at its worst and most vicious. No wonder Republicans love it.
 
2022-05-20 11:29:29 AM  
""I think there are many people who would like to see the end of Christian Europe"

I'm one of them.
 
2022-05-20 11:30:35 AM  

Blathering Idjut: This is so bizarre to me as a white, middle aged cis male.  I simply can't wrap my head around the idea driving these folks that our differences (origin, gender, sexuality, race, whatever) make us somehow weaker, rather than stronger.


They're worried that they'll be treated the same way. They know that college admissions and Jussie Smollett is just static noise and it plain sucks to be a racial minority. They just know that fixing these problems is something they've routinely ignored, and they can keep ignoring it if they push the problem to the future.
 
2022-05-20 11:31:09 AM  
Depends if you're descriptive, proscritiptive, or counter-descriptive.

The Descriptive: As a population joins a middle class where the women have good education and job prospects, the fertility rate drops. If you maintain a 2.2 ish rate of children per woman, that population should maintain a slight growth. But if your class of the economy requires greater membership, you'll have to pull in new members from outside groups.

I don't know the proscriptive or counter-descriptive off hand because I'm a descriptivist. I think the third believes the second is in control, but the first is the reality.
 
2022-05-20 11:33:29 AM  

Marcos P: ""I think there are many people who would like to see the end of Christian Europe"

I'm one of them.


When did the exotic middle eastern religions become indigenous European culture?
 
2022-05-20 11:36:39 AM  

jso2897: Marcos P: ""I think there are many people who would like to see the end of Christian Europe"

I'm one of them.

When did the exotic middle eastern religions become indigenous European culture?


History tells me that Hungary became predominantly Christian in the 11th century.  About 700 years after Ethiopia.
 
2022-05-20 11:37:02 AM  
"Part of the picture of the decade of war facing us will be recurring waves of suicidal policy in the Western world. One such suicide attempt that I see is the great European population replacement program, which seeks to replace the missing European Christian children with migrants, with adults arriving from other civilizations," Orbán said.

Someday world leaders will recognize that there's only one civilization that matters. You can keep your local cultures, but the survival of the species should be the primary concern.
 
2022-05-20 11:37:51 AM  
Austria/Hungary sort of have a history of not being overly nice to "others."
 
2022-05-20 11:38:12 AM  
In contemporary Hungary, we see a country where "Great Replacement" theory dominates not just official rhetoric but also policy. Migrants are treated cruelly at the border, while the government casts LGBTQ minorities as a threat to Hungarian birthrates and pushes a message to convince women to take up "traditional" roles as homemakers and mothers. Advocates for immigration and immigrant rights, like the Hungarian American Jewish philanthropist George Soros, are described as enemies of the state and attacked accordingly.

No wonder CPAC is in Hungary. Sounds like a dream to them.
 
2022-05-20 11:39:25 AM  
Nobody's "replacing" white people. But trolls and racists are making a great case for getting themselves replaced. With garden gnomes, or lawn flamingos, anything would be an improvement really.
 
2022-05-20 11:40:28 AM  
The audacity of a bunch of Slavs thinking they're members of the White Race! /S

Seriously asshole. You would have been wiped out and would be wiped out by all the assholes you believe this shiat.
 
2022-05-20 11:43:11 AM  
Let's be honest folks. You could replace most white christian conservatives with a prime rib roast and society would mostly benefit. Sure we'd initially hear about how "au jus will not replace us!", but the results would be worth it.
 
2022-05-20 11:43:53 AM  
Americans have had more opportunities than few others in this world.  If you - as a white American male, with all of the advantages and privileges that come with it - are being "replaced" then that's on you.  You farked up. You screwed the pooch, loser.  Adapt or die is number one rule on this planet, pal. And you are deliberatelyrefusing to adapt to a changing world.  If you're being replaced - that's just part of evolution.

One could say that a refusal to adapt is downright suicidal.

We are all born ignorant, demanding babies.  Fortunately, most of us grew out of it. God only know why so many white men are so stunted in their development.  All they want is to feed at the teat and cry when they don't get what they want.
 
2022-05-20 11:47:44 AM  

culebra: Let's be honest folks. You could replace most white christian conservatives with a prime rib roast and society would mostly benefit. Sure we'd initially hear about how "au jus will not replace us!", but the results would be worth it.


The one weird trick that liberals don't want you to know is that they're repulsed by the strong smells of delicious American garlic & onions. Make sure to brine bathe yourselves in a warm bath of seasoning with a bit of salt & paprika.
 
2022-05-20 11:50:06 AM  
Because even on Fox News you can't say racial slurs?
 
2022-05-20 11:52:18 AM  

hissatsu: In contemporary Hungary, we see a country where "Great Replacement" theory dominates not just official rhetoric but also policy. Migrants are treated cruelly at the border, while the government casts LGBTQ minorities as a threat to Hungarian birthrates and pushes a message to convince women to take up "traditional" roles as homemakers and mothers. Advocates for immigration and immigrant rights, like the Hungarian American Jewish philanthropist George Soros, are described as enemies of the state and attacked accordingly.

No wonder CPAC is in Hungary. Sounds like a dream to them.


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They told on themselves that Orban is the mold they are trying to sell DeSantis to provide in the United States.
 
2022-05-20 12:01:05 PM  

Sid Vicious' Corpse: Americans have had more opportunities than few others in this world.  If you - as a white American male, with all of the advantages and privileges that come with it - are being "replaced" then that's on you.  You farked up. You screwed the pooch, loser.  Adapt or die is number one rule on this planet, pal. And you are deliberatelyrefusing to adapt to a changing world.  If you're being replaced - that's just part of evolution.


I will not have you demean and insult me! As the highest form of humanity (the White American male), just because my job is being stolen by a a Guatemalan day laborer who only speaks Quichean Mayan and a couple of dozen Spanish words and has no education past primary school, it in no way indicates that I'm a tremendous failure at life and a hopeless moron.
 
2022-05-20 12:07:25 PM  
I am HOPING for more Replacement Theory.

On my street the two biggest white conservative asshole families have moved away and both homes were purchased by Hispanic families. My kids play with their kids and my wife and I frequently spend hours chitchatting and drinking beer with the parents. Both families are great neighbors.

So yes, Replacing white conservative assholes with new minority families happy to be in the neighborhood is a TOP priority of mine.
 
2022-05-20 12:12:49 PM  
If you point to Europe as an example of universal healthcare that doesn't destroy economies and turn everybody socialist, conservatives will yell something like "Yeah, but that's Europe, we're America!  We're not the same as those Euro-trash pansies".

But they don't have that attitude while they emulate a racist European fascist.  It's like they go out of their way to create hypocrisy and double-think in everything they do and say because they don't want anybody to know what's real and what's not.
 
2022-05-20 12:28:39 PM  
Who the hell is funding Orban anymore?! Trump is gone and Vlad's money is toilet paper! How the hell is he continuing to do this shiat?
 
2022-05-20 12:29:31 PM  
Oh well, at least no one in mainstream conservative media is praising him...

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Never mind.
 
2022-05-20 12:33:30 PM  

Rapmaster2000: the speech literally contains an exhortation to "make Hungary great again."

Like when the Hapsburgs ruled it from Austria?


The family with less forks than a Sushi Bar in Osaka?
 
2022-05-20 12:35:48 PM  
I strongly encourage the fascist white supremacists of CPAC to stay in Hungary permanently.
 
2022-05-20 1:04:11 PM  
 
2022-05-20 1:12:07 PM  

jake_lex: Oh well, at least no one in mainstream conservative media is praising him...

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Never mind.


None dare call him racist.
 
2022-05-20 1:16:55 PM  

hubiestubert: Grungehamster: hubiestubert: White folks are projected, and have been projected, to fall under the 50% line by around 2030. That's with birthrates, immigration, and folks dying. Which, white folks have been going for like gangbusters lately. The demographics are shifting, and again, that's just math.

The thing both sides seem to miss in their "demographics speak for themselves" is that just because someone is Hispanic doesn't mean their great grandkids will be. Throughout history by the third generation most immigrants aren't self-identifying with their homeland anymore. Austin Ramirez is going to be white non-Hispanic on his census forms more likely than not. "White" is a constantly morphing ingroup that will always include enough non-WASPs to remain in the majority for the foreseeable future.

The difficulty is that folks tend to remember the stories of the cops rolling up your home, or business, or banks telling your parents 'no' again and again. The definition of white will certainly change to include more folks of Hispanic origin, but a lot of folks folks are still going to remember Grandpa's stories, and their own parents'.

And despite the color 'shifting', you're STILL going to have folks who give the side-eye to anyone that isn't the right religion or whose nation of origin was wrong. You know, up until they themselves die off.


Or, like the Greeks and Italians, they'll just suddenly be white.  Demographics solved.
 
2022-05-20 1:29:40 PM  

culebra: Let's be honest folks. You could replace most white christian conservatives with a prime rib roast and society would mostly benefit. Sure we'd initially hear about how "au jus will not replace us!", but the results would be worth it.


Fitting, considering the theory was fabricated by a French dip.
 
2022-05-20 1:51:47 PM  

UNC_Samurai: culebra: Let's be honest folks. You could replace most white christian conservatives with a prime rib roast and society would mostly benefit. Sure we'd initially hear about how "au jus will not replace us!", but the results would be worth it.

Fitting, considering the theory was fabricated by a French dip.


Good joke, sir.  Educational and funny, you don't see that often.
 
2022-05-20 1:56:35 PM  
It is not a theory. At the rate Western societies are reproducing, there will be a labor shortages in every sector if unfettered immigration isn't allowed to continue. If Western economies want to continue growing, they have to replace their declining populations.
 
2022-05-20 1:59:05 PM  

Sid Vicious' Corpse: Americans have had more opportunities than few others in this world.  If you - as a white American male, with all of the advantages and privileges that come with it - are being "replaced" then that's on you.  You farked up. You screwed the pooch, loser.  Adapt or die is number one rule on this planet, pal. And you are deliberatelyrefusing to adapt to a changing world.  If you're being replaced - that's just part of evolution.

One could say that a refusal to adapt is downright suicidal.

We are all born ignorant, demanding babies.  Fortunately, most of us grew out of it. God only know why so many white men are so stunted in their development.  All they want is to feed at the teat and cry when they don't get what they want.


Ah, for those born in the working class its not exactly a joyride.

I'm sure it was easy for you, as you judge others with the same measure
 
2022-05-20 2:51:11 PM  

Blathering Idjut: One of my favorite quotes is "I don't have enough money because poor people are hoarding it." Replacement theory posits that because white men are losing their status it's because the weakest folks in our society, especially immigrants, are somehow "stealing" that status. Rather than struggling to get by like everybody else.


This is why you need the Sinister Other. It's the Liberals. It's the JEW. (Fortunately for Hungary, when they say "The Jew" the don't mean ALL THE JEWS. Just George Soros. So it's not REALLY anti-Semitic. wink wink ) The Weak, lesser Races can't take over without  Evil Race Traitors™ who are actively trying to destroy us. That's a Two-fer. You get to be racist against the Other and you get to brand your political opponents as OUT TO DESTROY US.

No wonder "Consurvutives™" love it. It's an excuse to both be Racist AND to persecute liberalia as EVIL.
 
2022-05-20 3:01:20 PM  

jso2897: Marcos P: ""I think there are many people who would like to see the end of Christian Europe"

I'm one of them.

When did the exotic middle eastern religions become indigenous European culture?


When did hamburgers, frankfurters/wieners, and French fries become associated with America?
 
2022-05-20 3:34:23 PM  

sunsawed: Blathering Idjut: One of my favorite quotes is "I don't have enough money because poor people are hoarding it." Replacement theory posits that because white men are losing their status it's because the weakest folks in our society, especially immigrants, are somehow "stealing" that status. Rather than struggling to get by like everybody else.

This is why you need the Sinister Other. It's the Liberals. It's the JEW. (Fortunately for Hungary, when they say "The Jew" the don't mean ALL THE JEWS. Just George Soros. So it's not REALLY anti-Semitic. wink wink ) The Weak, lesser Races can't take over without  Evil Race Traitors™ who are actively trying to destroy us. That's a Two-fer. You get to be racist against the Other and you get to brand your political opponents as OUT TO DESTROY US.

No wonder "Consurvutives™" love it. It's an excuse to both be Racist AND to persecute liberalia as EVIL.


But Tree Puncher Cawthorn just said the time for gentile politics is past. I'm confused!
 
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