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(CNN)   If you're one of the 15 people who joined the Buffalo shooter's private chat on Discord about a half hour before his killing spree, just sit tight for a bit. The authorities are coming for their own private chat with you   (cnn.com) divider line
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2022-05-20 11:38:20 AM  
Gitmo first, ask questions about five years of full enhanced treatment later.
 
2022-05-20 2:21:56 PM  
Time for some "enhanced interrogation techniques".
 
2022-05-20 2:22:14 PM  

bluorangefyre: Gitmo first, ask questions about five years of full enhanced treatment later.


for joining a chat?
 
2022-05-20 2:24:13 PM  
But I only asked if he could pick up some baby formula while he was there.
 
2022-05-20 2:24:28 PM  

TrashcanMan: bluorangefyre: Gitmo first, ask questions about five years of full enhanced treatment later.

for joining a chat?



Some people here have itchy trigger fingers...
 
2022-05-20 2:24:48 PM  
Yeah, the government is going to harass a bunch of people here, probably some who are not very nice (IE, are racists), but will get no convictions from any (unless they materially helped the shooter in some fashion).
 
2022-05-20 2:24:51 PM  

TrashcanMan: bluorangefyre: Gitmo first, ask questions about five years of full enhanced treatment later.

for joining a chat?


For joining a chat no.  For realizing what was being discussed in chat and failing to notify anyone...yes.  I feel that way.  Of course I don't actually want that to happen.  I want people to have access to lawyers, and be put in front of grand juries with evidence.  That way we destroy them with attorney bills rather or not we get a conviction.  It's a beautiful system.
 
2022-05-20 2:24:52 PM  

TrashcanMan: bluorangefyre: Gitmo first, ask questions about five years of full enhanced treatment later.

for joining a chat?


The stream was online for roughly 23 minutes, the final two minutes were violent.  The stream peaked at around 11-15 viewers.  There were less than 19 unique viewers of the stream.  After the two minutes of violence, the stream was shut down, the account suspended, and the ability for any viewer to create a VOD was removed.

Yet the video disseminated incredibly fast across social media.

It stands to reason that there were people watching specifically to record and spread the footage of a known radical because it benefited them.
 
2022-05-20 2:25:13 PM  
I look forward to explaining to the fbi what a meme is.

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2022-05-20 2:25:27 PM  

TrashcanMan: bluorangefyre: Gitmo first, ask questions about five years of full enhanced treatment later.

for joining a chat?


it's going to be a whole lot of 'what did you know and when did you know it' kinda stuff.
 
2022-05-20 2:25:44 PM  

TrashcanMan: bluorangefyre: Gitmo first, ask questions about five years of full enhanced treatment later.

for joining a chat?


I'd be fine with that treatment for everyone who joins a chat, yes.  They're clearly all sickos.

/Lawn
//Off
///Bring back my forums. Or Usenet.
 
2022-05-20 2:26:01 PM  
lol, whoops.

It's all fun an games until the 4chan party bus shows up.
 
2022-05-20 2:26:17 PM  

TrashcanMan: bluorangefyre: Gitmo first, ask questions about five years of full enhanced treatment later.

for joining a chat?


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2022-05-20 2:27:25 PM  

TrashcanMan: bluorangefyre: Gitmo first, ask questions about five years of full enhanced treatment later.

for joining a chat?


We've done worse to foreigners for less.
 
2022-05-20 2:27:32 PM  

winedrinkingman: TrashcanMan: bluorangefyre: Gitmo first, ask questions about five years of full enhanced treatment later.

for joining a chat?

For joining a chat no.  For realizing what was being discussed in chat and failing to notify anyone...yes.  I feel that way.  Of course I don't actually want that to happen.  I want people to have access to lawyers, and be put in front of grand juries with evidence.  That way we destroy them with attorney bills rather or not we get a conviction.  It's a beautiful system.


It's not against the law to not call the cops (except in some very specific circumstances, like you are a teacher and suspect a child in your class is being abused).
 
2022-05-20 2:28:54 PM  

DeathByGeekSquad: TrashcanMan: bluorangefyre: Gitmo first, ask questions about five years of full enhanced treatment later.

for joining a chat?

The stream was online for roughly 23 minutes, the final two minutes were violent.  The stream peaked at around 11-15 viewers.  There were less than 19 unique viewers of the stream.  After the two minutes of violence, the stream was shut down, the account suspended, and the ability for any viewer to create a VOD was removed.

Yet the video disseminated incredibly fast across social media.

It stands to reason that there were people watching specifically to record and spread the footage of a known radical because it benefited them.


By the same token though, the fact that it was shut down within 2 minutes of it going all murder-y would seem to indicate that at least one person viewing the chat contacted Discord (and hopefully the authorities).
 
2022-05-20 2:29:31 PM  

DeathByGeekSquad: TrashcanMan: bluorangefyre: Gitmo first, ask questions about five years of full enhanced treatment later.

for joining a chat?

The stream was online for roughly 23 minutes, the final two minutes were violent.  The stream peaked at around 11-15 viewers.  There were less than 19 unique viewers of the stream.  After the two minutes of violence, the stream was shut down, the account suspended, and the ability for any viewer to create a VOD was removed.

Yet the video disseminated incredibly fast across social media.

It stands to reason that there were people watching specifically to record and spread the footage of a known radical because it benefited them.


The first amendment is strong.  It is not illegal to join that chat, even if you knew he was going to shoot up the place when you joined.  It is not illegal to not call the cops.  It is not illegal to share video of the chat.
 
2022-05-20 2:29:45 PM  
Was that wrong? Should I have done something?
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2022-05-20 2:29:50 PM  
Accomplice #15 has joined the chat to say he's never met the guy.   That busy schedule over at the halls of Congress left no time in the hours to watch.   He always sends a thank you note to anyonje who reaches out to him.
 
2022-05-20 2:30:45 PM  
I'm not going to doubt that all 15 are 'deplorables', but even the lowest-in-his-class public defender out of Cooley Law would be able to argue they thought it was all parody and fantasy until it was too late to make any difference.
 
2022-05-20 2:30:51 PM  
To give them a medal?
 
2022-05-20 2:31:10 PM  

TrashcanMan: bluorangefyre: Gitmo first, ask questions about five years of full enhanced treatment later.

for joining a chat?


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2022-05-20 2:31:16 PM  

DeathByGeekSquad: TrashcanMan: bluorangefyre: Gitmo first, ask questions about five years of full enhanced treatment later.

for joining a chat?

The stream was online for roughly 23 minutes, the final two minutes were violent.  The stream peaked at around 11-15 viewers.  There were less than 19 unique viewers of the stream.  After the two minutes of violence, the stream was shut down, the account suspended, and the ability for any viewer to create a VOD was removed.

Yet the video disseminated incredibly fast across social media.

It stands to reason that there were people watching specifically to record and spread the footage of a known radical because it benefited them.


19 unique viewers? If I set up a livestream of paint drying, I'd probably get that many.
 
2022-05-20 2:31:41 PM  

Geotpf: DeathByGeekSquad: TrashcanMan: bluorangefyre: Gitmo first, ask questions about five years of full enhanced treatment later.

for joining a chat?

The stream was online for roughly 23 minutes, the final two minutes were violent.  The stream peaked at around 11-15 viewers.  There were less than 19 unique viewers of the stream.  After the two minutes of violence, the stream was shut down, the account suspended, and the ability for any viewer to create a VOD was removed.

Yet the video disseminated incredibly fast across social media.

It stands to reason that there were people watching specifically to record and spread the footage of a known radical because it benefited them.

The first amendment is strong.  It is not illegal to join that chat, even if you knew he was going to shoot up the place when you joined.  It is not illegal to not call the cops.  It is not illegal to share video of the chat.


Uh, if you knew he was going to shoot up the place then that puts you in possible accomplice territory. Or accessory to murder.
 
2022-05-20 2:31:53 PM  
As a person who is a member of 100 Discord servers, I've joined plenty of them without going through the content of the servers.

Let's remember who the bad person is here-it's clearly the shooter.
 
2022-05-20 2:33:02 PM  
FTA:  James' probe, disclosed Wednesday by her office, focuses on Twitch, Discord and the websites 4chan and 8chan (now known as 8kun).

I thought 8chan was shut down.  It's just rebranded itself?
 
2022-05-20 2:33:05 PM  
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2022-05-20 2:33:48 PM  

TrashcanMan: bluorangefyre: Gitmo first, ask questions about five years of full enhanced treatment later.

for joining a chat?


If they've done nothing wrong they have nothing to fear, right?
 
2022-05-20 2:34:00 PM  

DeathByGeekSquad: TrashcanMan: bluorangefyre: Gitmo first, ask questions about five years of full enhanced treatment later.

for joining a chat?

The stream was online for roughly 23 minutes, the final two minutes were violent.  The stream peaked at around 11-15 viewers.  There were less than 19 unique viewers of the stream.  After the two minutes of violence, the stream was shut down, the account suspended, and the ability for any viewer to create a VOD was removed.

Yet the video disseminated incredibly fast across social media.

It stands to reason that there were people watching specifically to record and spread the footage of a known radical because it benefited them.


It further stands to reason that they knew what was going to be on the stream prior to the stream starting.  Which raises questions about whether they had been in contact with this farkhead before then.  Which raises additional questions about the nature of that contact.

The thought crime side of this only comes into play if they are assumed to be planning something similar.  I doubt it.  I suspect they are edgy 4chan assholes.  I suspect some of them were involved in egging this incident on in the hopes they could feel powerful.  I suspect some (possibly different possibly the same) were aware of what was going on with farkhead and just wanted a show.  And I suspect yet others (again, venn diagram logic applies) were there specifically to record this event for monetary gain.

All were fully aware of what they were tuning into.
 
2022-05-20 2:34:35 PM  

hobnail: DeathByGeekSquad: TrashcanMan: bluorangefyre: Gitmo first, ask questions about five years of full enhanced treatment later.

for joining a chat?

The stream was online for roughly 23 minutes, the final two minutes were violent.  The stream peaked at around 11-15 viewers.  There were less than 19 unique viewers of the stream.  After the two minutes of violence, the stream was shut down, the account suspended, and the ability for any viewer to create a VOD was removed.

Yet the video disseminated incredibly fast across social media.

It stands to reason that there were people watching specifically to record and spread the footage of a known radical because it benefited them.

19 unique viewers? If I set up a livestream of paint drying, I'd probably get that many.


It depends. Are you using a neutral or a real color?

I won't watch your tan, gray, greige, or whitish.

Give the viewer what she wants.
 
2022-05-20 2:34:43 PM  

Geotpf: Yeah, the government is going to harass a bunch of people here, probably some who are not very nice (IE, are racists), but will get no convictions from any (unless they materially helped the shooter in some fashion).


It happened in NY, so they could easily be charged as accessories or with conspiricy because they did nothing, which is the same as the murders itself in NY
 
2022-05-20 2:34:52 PM  

winedrinkingman: TrashcanMan: bluorangefyre: Gitmo first, ask questions about five years of full enhanced treatment later.

for joining a chat?

For joining a chat no.  For realizing what was being discussed in chat and failing to notify anyone...yes.  I feel that way.  Of course I don't actually want that to happen.  I want people to have access to lawyers, and be put in front of grand juries with evidence.  That way we destroy them with attorney bills rather or not we get a conviction.  It's a beautiful system.


That would be compelling speech and the courts tend to frown on the government compelling speech

There is no duty to report a crime outside of a few very specific situations regarding professions that are mandatory reporters
 
2022-05-20 2:35:13 PM  
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TheSubjunctive: I'm not going to doubt that all 15 are 'deplorables', but even the lowest-in-his-class public defender out of Cooley Law would be able to argue they thought it was all parody and fantasy until it was too late to make any difference.


Yep. Would be moronic to waste a single taxpayer dime putting any of them on trial. I'm guessing it's all just to shake them down for whatever other info they can glean on the white supremacist mass murderer, and I'm 100% behind that shakedown effort.
 
2022-05-20 2:35:44 PM  
I know there's a legal reason for it but this guy being labeled as the "suspected shooter" is driving me insane.
 
2022-05-20 2:36:02 PM  

hobnail: DeathByGeekSquad: TrashcanMan: bluorangefyre: Gitmo first, ask questions about five years of full enhanced treatment later.

for joining a chat?

The stream was online for roughly 23 minutes, the final two minutes were violent.  The stream peaked at around 11-15 viewers.  There were less than 19 unique viewers of the stream.  After the two minutes of violence, the stream was shut down, the account suspended, and the ability for any viewer to create a VOD was removed.

Yet the video disseminated incredibly fast across social media.

It stands to reason that there were people watching specifically to record and spread the footage of a known radical because it benefited them.

19 unique viewers? If I set up a livestream of paint drying, I'd probably get that many.


Has to be better than watching me get invaded in Dark Souls.
 
2022-05-20 2:36:10 PM  

hobnail: DeathByGeekSquad: TrashcanMan: bluorangefyre: Gitmo first, ask questions about five years of full enhanced treatment later.

for joining a chat?

The stream was online for roughly 23 minutes, the final two minutes were violent.  The stream peaked at around 11-15 viewers.  There were less than 19 unique viewers of the stream.  After the two minutes of violence, the stream was shut down, the account suspended, and the ability for any viewer to create a VOD was removed.

Yet the video disseminated incredibly fast across social media.

It stands to reason that there were people watching specifically to record and spread the footage of a known radical because it benefited them.

19 unique viewers? If I set up a livestream of paint drying, I'd probably get that many.


what's the url for that? i'm not bored enough.
 
2022-05-20 2:36:43 PM  

Geotpf: DeathByGeekSquad: TrashcanMan: bluorangefyre: Gitmo first, ask questions about five years of full enhanced treatment later.

for joining a chat?

The stream was online for roughly 23 minutes, the final two minutes were violent.  The stream peaked at around 11-15 viewers.  There were less than 19 unique viewers of the stream.  After the two minutes of violence, the stream was shut down, the account suspended, and the ability for any viewer to create a VOD was removed.

Yet the video disseminated incredibly fast across social media.

It stands to reason that there were people watching specifically to record and spread the footage of a known radical because it benefited them.

The first amendment is strong.  It is not illegal to join that chat, even if you knew he was going to shoot up the place when you joined.  It is not illegal to not call the cops.  It is not illegal to share video of the chat.


Not necessarily illegal on their own.  But certainly a red flag that could prompt some investigation.  And there are certainly some possible illegal acts that might be uncovered during such an investigation.
 
2022-05-20 2:37:25 PM  
Just give the public their names.
 
2022-05-20 2:37:32 PM  

yukichigai: DeathByGeekSquad: TrashcanMan: bluorangefyre: Gitmo first, ask questions about five years of full enhanced treatment later.

for joining a chat?

The stream was online for roughly 23 minutes, the final two minutes were violent.  The stream peaked at around 11-15 viewers.  There were less than 19 unique viewers of the stream.  After the two minutes of violence, the stream was shut down, the account suspended, and the ability for any viewer to create a VOD was removed.

Yet the video disseminated incredibly fast across social media.

It stands to reason that there were people watching specifically to record and spread the footage of a known radical because it benefited them.

By the same token though, the fact that it was shut down within 2 minutes of it going all murder-y would seem to indicate that at least one person viewing the chat contacted Discord (and hopefully the authorities).


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2022-05-20 2:38:55 PM  

DoctorCal: hobnail: DeathByGeekSquad: TrashcanMan: bluorangefyre: Gitmo first, ask questions about five years of full enhanced treatment later.

for joining a chat?

The stream was online for roughly 23 minutes, the final two minutes were violent.  The stream peaked at around 11-15 viewers.  There were less than 19 unique viewers of the stream.  After the two minutes of violence, the stream was shut down, the account suspended, and the ability for any viewer to create a VOD was removed.

Yet the video disseminated incredibly fast across social media.

It stands to reason that there were people watching specifically to record and spread the footage of a known radical because it benefited them.

19 unique viewers? If I set up a livestream of paint drying, I'd probably get that many.

Has to be better than watching me get invaded in Dark Souls.


but.. what if i find that to be very entertaining? don't kinkshame!
 
2022-05-20 2:39:25 PM  

bzdrummer: Was that wrong? Should I have done something?
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Seinfeld's finale becomes more insightful all the time-- I'm reading Redditors (who skewed the youngest until Instagram and then TikTok) evenly split about "doing something" instead of "picking up a camera".
 
2022-05-20 2:39:32 PM  
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2022-05-20 2:40:28 PM  

Stargazer86: Geotpf: DeathByGeekSquad: TrashcanMan: bluorangefyre: Gitmo first, ask questions about five years of full enhanced treatment later.

for joining a chat?

The stream was online for roughly 23 minutes, the final two minutes were violent.  The stream peaked at around 11-15 viewers.  There were less than 19 unique viewers of the stream.  After the two minutes of violence, the stream was shut down, the account suspended, and the ability for any viewer to create a VOD was removed.

Yet the video disseminated incredibly fast across social media.

It stands to reason that there were people watching specifically to record and spread the footage of a known radical because it benefited them.

The first amendment is strong.  It is not illegal to join that chat, even if you knew he was going to shoot up the place when you joined.  It is not illegal to not call the cops.  It is not illegal to share video of the chat.

Uh, if you knew he was going to shoot up the place then that puts you in possible accomplice territory. Or accessory to murder.


No it doesn't.

Go look up what "accessory" actually means. And "accomplice".
 
2022-05-20 2:41:51 PM  

Stargazer86: Geotpf: DeathByGeekSquad: TrashcanMan: bluorangefyre: Gitmo first, ask questions about five years of full enhanced treatment later.

for joining a chat?

The stream was online for roughly 23 minutes, the final two minutes were violent.  The stream peaked at around 11-15 viewers.  There were less than 19 unique viewers of the stream.  After the two minutes of violence, the stream was shut down, the account suspended, and the ability for any viewer to create a VOD was removed.

Yet the video disseminated incredibly fast across social media.

It stands to reason that there were people watching specifically to record and spread the footage of a known radical because it benefited them.

The first amendment is strong.  It is not illegal to join that chat, even if you knew he was going to shoot up the place when you joined.  It is not illegal to not call the cops.  It is not illegal to share video of the chat.

Uh, if you knew he was going to shoot up the place then that puts you in possible accomplice territory. Or accessory to murder.


I suppose if one of Fark's lunatics ever acts on their fantasies of killing all the conservatives or torturing   somebody on trial and encouraging convicts to rape  accused persons then the rest of us could be charged with this or that  crime up to various conspracy charges
 
2022-05-20 2:41:56 PM  
Unless there was some sort of material assistance provided, they've done little to nothing wrong.  Very few people in America are duty-bound to report an impending terror attack.  And even if they did, law enforcement has no obligation to stop it.
 
2022-05-20 2:44:13 PM  

GregInIndy: Just give the public their names.


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2022-05-20 2:46:08 PM  

Geotpf: DeathByGeekSquad: TrashcanMan: bluorangefyre: Gitmo first, ask questions about five years of full enhanced treatment later.

for joining a chat?

The stream was online for roughly 23 minutes, the final two minutes were violent.  The stream peaked at around 11-15 viewers.  There were less than 19 unique viewers of the stream.  After the two minutes of violence, the stream was shut down, the account suspended, and the ability for any viewer to create a VOD was removed.

Yet the video disseminated incredibly fast across social media.

It stands to reason that there were people watching specifically to record and spread the footage of a known radical because it benefited them.

The first amendment is strong.  It is not illegal to join that chat, even if you knew he was going to shoot up the place when you joined.  It is not illegal to not call the cops.  It is not illegal to share video of the chat.


If someone knew what the shooter was planning then there is a good possibility they collaborated in some fashion.

If it turns out the dude just texted them something like "guys, join my chat right now, gonna show you something big" that's one thing. If they were aware of what was going to go down before hand - that potentially indicates they may have been involved in the planning of this, and if so it puts them a long way from being incidental observers.

When investigating a terrorist attack it would be due diligence to see who the attacker had been in contact with and who else may have known about the attack in advance.
 
2022-05-20 2:48:47 PM  
Did they offer advice or information? This is conspiracy. And it's not like discord would save everything that you posted.
 
2022-05-20 2:48:48 PM  

TrashcanMan: bluorangefyre: Gitmo first, ask questions about five years of full enhanced treatment later.

for joining a chat?


How many years for calling state election officials telling them to overturn results? Asking for a judge's wife....
 
2022-05-20 2:48:59 PM  
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