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(The Sun (Ireland))   House Speaker Nancy Pelosi gets her 'Irish' up, threatens to block UK trade deal over Northern Ireland Protocol plans   (thesun.ie) divider line
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2022-05-20 9:38:51 AM  
If a government reneges on deals they've written and signed, why would you take them at their word?
 
2022-05-20 10:14:25 AM  

iron de havilland: If a government reneges on deals they've written and signed, why would you take them at their word?


Pretty much this. Having small-minded assholes like Bojo the Clown & Co. in charge of the country is going to fark with your position and trust on the international stage. Those of us in the US know all too well how bad an idiot in the big office can fark your country over. We're going to be dealing with the fallout from the first term of the Tumescent Tangerine Tantrum Toddler for years to come. FSM forbid he gets a second turn in the Oval Office.
 
2022-05-20 10:46:40 AM  

iron de havilland: If a government reneges on deals they've written and signed, why would you take them at their word?


For the record, it would be an incredibly horrible BAD idea for the UK to just stop complying with the Good Friday accords. For all sorts of reasons.
 
2022-05-20 10:57:49 AM  
Just start selling mlaws and switchblades to Ireland as they fight off oppressors trying to claim their territory from bygone empires.

/economists would love the US selling to two wars
 
2022-05-20 10:59:24 AM  
So far, the EU, the WTO, Ireland, and now the USA have told the UK to stfu and cop on to themselves.

Imagine being willing to piss off that many people just to hide the fact that the NI economy is doing better than the rest of the UK, because they're still in the single market.

I won't li - I'm loving it, because there is no possible outcome to this that won't hurt the Conservatives.
 
2022-05-20 11:01:24 AM  
If Ireland asks to join NATO, will that piss off Bojo the Clown?
 
2022-05-20 11:02:02 AM  

HoveringFungus: Just start selling mlaws and switchblades to Ireland as they fight off oppressors trying to claim their territory from bygone empires.

/economists would love the US selling to two wars


Well, we are coming into summer, so demand for home heating fuel won't raise the prices for peat moss.
 
2022-05-20 11:03:40 AM  

Aquapope: If Ireland asks to join NATO, will that piss off Bojo the Clown?


Bojo might just end up losing North Ireland completely.
 
2022-05-20 11:04:42 AM  
Hahas aside, how much of the planets wealth is in Cork right now anyhow?
 
2022-05-20 11:17:01 AM  
I wonder how mad a certain Family Guy character is that Sinn Fein won the NI election
 
2022-05-20 11:18:30 AM  

HoveringFungus: Hahas aside, how much of the planets wealth is in Cork right now anyhow?


Not that much.  That "wealth" is just a set of folders in a filing cabinet labeled "Alphabet" and "Apple".  Plus a few computer systems that record some financial transactions.  After the profit is laundered it heads elsewhere.  It's kind of like NFTs - it's not wealth, it's a record of the wealth.

The actual "wealth" those companies have that launder their profits through the "Double Irish" exists in other countries.  Mainly in California, but a good deal in the built up logistics and manufacturing chain in south east asia.
 
2022-05-20 11:21:42 AM  

iheartscotch: I wonder how mad a certain Family Guy character is that Sinn Fein won the NI election


Greased-up Deaf Guy is Irish?  I didn't notice the accent.
 
2022-05-20 11:27:31 AM  

Weaver95: iron de havilland: If a government reneges on deals they've written and signed, why would you take them at their word?

For the record, it would be an incredibly horrible BAD idea for the UK to just stop complying with the Good Friday accords. For all sorts of reasons.


There would be all sorts of Troubles.
 
2022-05-20 11:28:11 AM  

iheartscotch: I wonder how mad a certain Family Guy character is that Sinn Fein won the NI election


He's a troll who doesn't care. Oh and before I forget since it's a Brexsh*t thread:

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2022-05-20 11:33:02 AM  
Isn't Ireland where companies like Apple are hiding their profits to not pay taxes?
 
2022-05-20 11:39:38 AM  

Weaver95: Aquapope: If Ireland asks to join NATO, will that piss off Bojo the Clown?

Bojo might just end up losing North Ireland completely.


sounds good to me
 
2022-05-20 11:41:55 AM  

Weaver95: Aquapope: If Ireland asks to join NATO, will that piss off Bojo the Clown?

Bojo might just end up losing North Ireland completely.


I agree.

The EU rules that Ireland has agreed to will provide all of the protections that the Northern Ireland protestants want. Without fear of dealing with Papist rules coming from Dublin and maybe  generous helping of greater local control by county in Northern Ireland I can totally see the tables turning and looking to Dublin instead of London for leadership becoming the more obvious choice.
 
2022-05-20 11:52:00 AM  

iron de havilland: If a government reneges on deals they've written and signed, why would you take them at their word?


don't be mean, it's hardly the fat stupid farkers (PM Bozo) fault he hadn't a bloody clue what he was signing up to when he got the deal he said was oven ready.
dear old US please proceed to royally screw this government over regarding this.
 
2022-05-20 11:54:47 AM  

Weaver95: iron de havilland: If a government reneges on deals they've written and signed, why would you take them at their word?

For the record, it would be an incredibly horrible BAD idea for the UK to just stop complying with the Good Friday accords. For all sorts of reasons.


Nothing Boris is suggesting would violate the GFA.

iheartscotch: I wonder how mad a certain Family Guy character is that Sinn Fein won the NI election


If by "won" you mean "got under 30% of the vote"?

Funny that Leave getting 52% is not a mandate for anything but Sinn Fein getting less than 30% is "won".....
 
2022-05-20 11:57:58 AM  
"The Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) is currently blocking the re-establishment of Stormont's power-sharing institutions in protest at the protocol, which has created economic barriers on trade between Great Britain and Northern Ireland."

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The good news is that these dead-enders will all be dead soon enough.
 
2022-05-20 11:58:52 AM  

MadHatter500: HoveringFungus: Hahas aside, how much of the planets wealth is in Cork right now anyhow?

Not that much.  That "wealth" is just a set of folders in a filing cabinet labeled "Alphabet" and "Apple".  Plus a few computer systems that record some financial transactions.  After the profit is laundered it heads elsewhere.  It's kind of like NFTs - it's not wealth, it's a record of the wealth.

The actual "wealth" those companies have that launder their profits through the "Double Irish" exists in other countries.  Mainly in California, but a good deal in the built up logistics and manufacturing chain in south east asia.


Understood, following that line of thought.

Farther down it, wouldn't screwing with Ireland adversely affect their ability to launder/hide profits from tax institutions (not just IRS, but other countries as well) eventually mess with their finances? 

Point I'm walking to is that when big corporate interests starts throwing their input into the equation Bojo wont be able to keep that clown in his car.
 
2022-05-20 12:07:26 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Weaver95: iron de havilland: If a government reneges on deals they've written and signed, why would you take them at their word?

For the record, it would be an incredibly horrible BAD idea for the UK to just stop complying with the Good Friday accords. For all sorts of reasons.

Nothing Boris is suggesting would violate the GFA.

iheartscotch: I wonder how mad a certain Family Guy character is that Sinn Fein won the NI election

If by "won" you mean "got under 30% of the vote"?

Funny that Leave getting 52% is not a mandate for anything but Sinn Fein getting less than 30% is "won".....


Well yeah, they won, because they got more votes than any other party. That's how elections work.

Also the Protocol-supporting (pro Single Market membership) parties won 53 seats, compared to anti-Protocol's 37 seats.

That can't have been a great day in your head, me oul' china.
 
2022-05-20 12:58:36 PM  

Cormee: Well yeah, they won, because they got more votes than any other party. That's how elections work.

Also the Protocol-supporting (pro Single Market membership) parties won 53 seats, compared to anti-Protocol's 37 seats.


Farkers opinion on voting results does appear to be rather flexible, shall we say.

I've seen several Farkers argue that the evil Tories aren't the legitimate government "because left leaning parties split the vote" allowing the Tories to win.
Yet when it comes to NI suddenly the argument is exactly the opposite. Suddenly pro UK parties splitting the unionist vote is irrelevant, the single party that won the most seats is clearly the winner.

So with that logic do you admit this means the Tories are the rightful government of the UK? Because it seems you think less than 30% is a victory but the Tories getting 43% means they actually lost.

And including the Alliance party as "pro Single Market" is rather sneaky, since they still want to remain in the UK. What Boris is proposing won't "break" the agreement. He wants to use Article 16, a clause that specifically allows one side to suspend parts of the deal, for exactly this reason. In fact the EU did it first, when they announced last year they were going to use Article 16 to impose border checks in Ireland to stop vaccines getting into the UK, which wasn't true anyway. They changed their minds three hours later when literally everyone said they were nuts, imposing border checks on the very border they had just spend four years arguing should not have border checks.
Boris wants to do this to remove border checks.
 
2022-05-20 1:02:15 PM  
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It's closer than you think.

/Suck it, limeys.
 
2022-05-20 1:20:53 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Cormee: Well yeah, they won, because they got more votes than any other party. That's how elections work.

Also the Protocol-supporting (pro Single Market membership) parties won 53 seats, compared to anti-Protocol's 37 seats.

Farkers opinion on voting results does appear to be rather flexible, shall we say.

I've seen several Farkers argue that the evil Tories aren't the legitimate government "because left leaning parties split the vote" allowing the Tories to win.
Yet when it comes to NI suddenly the argument is exactly the opposite. Suddenly pro UK parties splitting the unionist vote is irrelevant, the single party that won the most seats is clearly the winner.

So with that logic do you admit this means the Tories are the rightful government of the UK? Because it seems you think less than 30% is a victory but the Tories getting 43% means they actually lost.

And including the Alliance party as "pro Single Market" is rather sneaky, since they still want to remain in the UK. What Boris is proposing won't "break" the agreement. He wants to use Article 16, a clause that specifically allows one side to suspend parts of the deal, for exactly this reason. In fact the EU did it first, when they announced last year they were going to use Article 16 to impose border checks in Ireland to stop vaccines getting into the UK, which wasn't true anyway. They changed their minds three hours later when literally everyone said they were nuts, imposing border checks on the very border they had just spend four years arguing should not have border checks.
Boris wants to do this to remove border checks.


I've never once suggested the Tories didn't win the election. And the I didn't suggest the Northern Irish election was about Northern Ireland leaving the United Kingdom, that will take 10-15 years, but the election was a major step in that direction - unionist heartlands voting against unionist parties.
 
2022-05-20 3:45:14 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Weaver95: iron de havilland: If a government reneges on deals they've written and signed, why would you take them at their word?

For the record, it would be an incredibly horrible BAD idea for the UK to just stop complying with the Good Friday accords. For all sorts of reasons.

Nothing Boris is suggesting would violate the GFA.

iheartscotch: I wonder how mad a certain Family Guy character is that Sinn Fein won the NI election

If by "won" you mean "got under 30% of the vote"?

Funny that Leave getting 52% is not a mandate for anything but Sinn Fein getting less than 30% is "won".....


I mean...they have more seats than the Unionists. And the protocol seems to have done better than non-protocol.

/ not to mention reunification.

// and it's all thanks to Boris
 
2022-05-20 5:40:15 PM  

Aquapope: If Ireland asks to join NATO, will that piss off Bojo the Clown?


Could you imagine Ireland agreeing to go to war if someone attacked England?  It was entirely possible that Thatcher could have dragged all of NATO into war with Argentina.

You might want to look at some of the history of Ireland.  Mostly since Beth I and especially under Cromwell, but well into the 20th century as well.

iron de havilland: If a government reneges on deals they've written and signed, why would you take them at their word?


Expecting the Saxons to keep their word with Ireland is like expecting the US Government (or the Oklahoma state govt., see current fark thread) to keep their word with an Indian tribe/nation.

/A cow's horn
//a horse's hoof
///an Englishman's promise
 
2022-05-20 5:57:16 PM  

Cormee: I've never once suggested the Tories didn't win the election. And the I didn't suggest the Northern Irish election was about Northern Ireland leaving the United Kingdom, that will take 10-15 years, but the election was a major step in that direction - unionist heartlands voting against unionist parties.


Not really. Sinn Fein didn't win any more seats, and their vote share went up by one percent. The DUP lost votes, and seats, to the Alliance party who aren't calling for NI to leave the UK, and votes, but no seats, to the Traditional Unionist party.
Sinn Fein got 29% of the vote. Three unionist parties, pro UK, got over 40% with the other big winner being one that is perfectly happy to stay in the UK. Together that's well over 50%.

NI leaving the UK might happen, but the fact that even in the middle of this Brexit turmoil Sinn Fein only managed to increase their vote share from 28% to 29% is hardly impressive.

iheartscotch: I mean...they have more seats than the Unionists.


They got 29%. The three unionist parties, DUP, UUP and TUP, got over 40%.  So no, Sinn Fein got far fewer votes than the Unionist parties. And the Alliance party was the big winner, and they're not rabidly pro unionist, but they're perfectly happy to stay. Their manifesto is happy to promote the benefit of being in the UK as well as the single market.

iheartscotch: // and it's all thanks to Boris


I agree. He has done a fantastic job, getting us out of the EU, getting a free trade deal, getting rid of the hated backstop that Theresa May came up with and so on. It's a testament to how well he has done that even with this trade issues in NI and the agreement uncertainty that Sinn Fein only managed a measly one per cent increase in votes, from 28% to 29%. The way some Farkers talk about the result I think they actually thing Sinn Fein got 50% or more.
 
2022-05-20 6:34:07 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Cormee: I've never once suggested the Tories didn't win the election. And the I didn't suggest the Northern Irish election was about Northern Ireland leaving the United Kingdom, that will take 10-15 years, but the election was a major step in that direction - unionist heartlands voting against unionist parties.

Not really. Sinn Fein didn't win any more seats, and their vote share went up by one percent. The DUP lost votes, and seats, to the Alliance party who aren't calling for NI to leave the UK, and votes, but no seats, to the Traditional Unionist party.
Sinn Fein got 29% of the vote. Three unionist parties, pro UK, got over 40% with the other big winner being one that is perfectly happy to stay in the UK. Together that's well over 50%.

NI leaving the UK might happen, but the fact that even in the middle of this Brexit turmoil Sinn Fein only managed to increase their vote share from 28% to 29% is hardly impressive.

iheartscotch: I mean...they have more seats than the Unionists.

They got 29%. The three unionist parties, DUP, UUP and TUP, got over 40%.  So no, Sinn Fein got far fewer votes than the Unionist parties. And the Alliance party was the big winner, and they're not rabidly pro unionist, but they're perfectly happy to stay. Their manifesto is happy to promote the benefit of being in the UK as well as the single market.

iheartscotch: // and it's all thanks to Boris

I agree. He has done a fantastic job, getting us out of the EU, getting a free trade deal, getting rid of the hated backstop that Theresa May came up with and so on. It's a testament to how well he has done that even with this trade issues in NI and the agreement uncertainty that Sinn Fein only managed a measly one per cent increase in votes, from 28% to 29%. The way some Farkers talk about the result I think they actually thing Sinn Fein got 50% or more.


Yeah... we covered all this about 2 weeks ago - the DUP's loss was down to moderate unionists, in unionist heartlands abandoning hardcore loyalism.

I posted the images below, a few days after the election for you, but they seem to have escaped your mind, so I'll post them again.
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