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2022-05-20 7:46:17 AM  
"Intel's Core i5-2500K from 2011 has an average CPU mark score that is 2.5x higher than the KX-6640MA"

So just over half the speed of a processor that came out 11 years ago.  Yuck.
 
2022-05-20 7:58:10 AM  
Tack on an SSD and that old processor will do just fine.

/but it probably won't run Crysis
 
2022-05-20 7:59:29 AM  
My Radio Shack CoCo3 has a shot of beating that thing.
 
2022-05-20 7:59:46 AM  
I'm pretty sure my old PC - which I've never disposed because I always dreamed of re-building (Dell XPS case. its *BEEFY* - can easily hold my weight sitting on it) has a intel core 2 duo that can match some of those numbers.. so more like 2008.
 
2022-05-20 8:21:19 AM  
2016 GA-Z170X here, i7-6700K. Don't need anything more powerful to do schematics, layout and photo processing. Got the MB off eBay and the CPU from Goodwill. The case is an old LianLi tower I've had for years.
Running  Mint 20.3 very happily.

I prefer a desktop, because I do use a lot of external peripherals. Have a nice Dell Latitude 7480 laptop for travel. Also running Mint 20.3.

There are a *lot* of older machines out there for not much money, if you're willing to find the pieces and put them together yourself. I'm an old fart, but even my Millennial kids build their own PCs (though they tend to buy the parts new -- $ouch!).
 
2022-05-20 8:47:34 AM  

Kristoph57: I'm pretty sure my old PC - which I've never disposed because I always dreamed of re-building (Dell XPS case. its *BEEFY* - can easily hold my weight sitting on it) has a intel core 2 duo that can match some of those numbers.. so more like 2008.


The Core2 Quad Q6600 came out in January 2007 and has a passmark score of 1779 vs. TFA's chip clocking in at 1566. I have one with Linux Mint on a SSD as a workshop computer. For things like email and web browsing it feels way faster than it has any right to.
 
2022-05-20 8:52:14 AM  
The KX-6640MA is also going into a new laptop manufactured by Russian device maker Tonk

Hopefully one of the YouTube tech people can acquire of one of these for a review.
 
2022-05-20 9:21:29 AM  
Ah yes, the legendary SLACR was anything but. Just watch those energy bills though...
 
2022-05-20 9:21:45 AM  

KRSESQ: Tack on an SSD and that old processor will do just fine.

/but it probably won't run Crysis


If you aren't a gamer or a developer, you probably don't do anything except web browse, email and an "occasional" fetish video.
 
hej
2022-05-20 9:37:09 AM  
No, it's either a decade old core i7 desktop, or a decade old core i7 macbook.
 
2022-05-20 9:39:21 AM  

I Like Bread: Ah yes, the legendary SLACR was anything but. Just watch those energy bills though...


Amen to that. In 2017 I was going to repurpose mine as a NAS server. Then I hooked up a Kill-A-Watt. It used more power at idle than the Celeron J3355 I went with did at full load. It only took about 2 years for the Celeron to pay for itself in electricity savings.
 
2022-05-20 10:16:23 AM  
I just looked at the prices of a Raspberry Pi board. One was for under $10. Remember, at Los Alamos, Richard Feynman devised a multitasking system around a calculator that used punch cards as its input stream. And they designed the atomic bomb with that. There aren't that many problems that really need the computing power that languishes on our desks.
 
2022-05-20 10:28:30 AM  
Oh to be a smuggler in Russia these days. A new generation of oligarchs will be bred from this war.
 
2022-05-20 10:32:09 AM  
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2022-05-20 10:45:45 AM  

WeatherNerd: "Intel's Core i5-2500K from 2011 has an average CPU mark score that is 2.5x higher than the KX-6640MA"

So just over half the speed of a processor that came out 11 years ago.  Yuck.


My 2012 AMD phenom 4 core in my backup desktop runs Linux Mint fine.

Dont even attempt the bloatware windows 10 on it.
 
2022-05-20 10:46:24 AM  

KRSESQ: Tack on an SSD and that old processor will do just fine.

/but it probably won't run Crysis


Or u can just install Linux Mint
 
2022-05-20 10:47:23 AM  

Flowery Twats: 2016 GA-Z170X here, i7-6700K. Don't need anything more powerful to do schematics, layout and photo processing. Got the MB off eBay and the CPU from Goodwill. The case is an old LianLi tower I've had for years.
Running  Mint 20.3 very happily.

I prefer a desktop, because I do use a lot of external peripherals. Have a nice Dell Latitude 7480 laptop for travel. Also running Mint 20.3.

There are a *lot* of older machines out there for not much money, if you're willing to find the pieces and put them together yourself. I'm an old fart, but even my Millennial kids build their own PCs (though they tend to buy the parts new -- $ouch!).


Old machine??

Just put Linux Mint on it

Problem solved
 
2022-05-20 11:01:04 AM  

WeatherNerd: "Intel's Core i5-2500K from 2011 has an average CPU mark score that is 2.5x higher than the KX-6640MA"

So just over half the speed of a processor that came out 11 years ago.  Yuck.


That's less than one fifth the speed of the i7-3930k, which I picked up in 2011.
 
2022-05-20 11:15:26 AM  
yakmans_dad:

I just looked at the prices of a Raspberry Pi board. One was for under $10. Remember, at Los Alamos, Richard Feynman devised a multitasking system around a calculator that used punch cards as its input stream. And they designed the atomic bomb with that. There aren't that many problems that really need the computing power that languishes on our desks.

Raspberry Pi board for $10? I'm SURE you mistyped or you have to share that link, homie. They are very much in short supply. I can't find one AT ALL or for less than $150 plus international shipping.
 
2022-05-20 11:20:16 AM  

yakmans_dad: I just looked at the prices of a Raspberry Pi board. One was for under $10. Remember, at Los Alamos, Richard Feynman devised a multitasking system around a calculator that used punch cards as its input stream. And they designed the atomic bomb with that. There aren't that many problems that really need the computing power that languishes on our desks.


Hell, instead of sharing the link if you have the hookup like that, snatch up as many Rpis as you can and resell them! You have a gold mine!
 
2022-05-20 11:24:52 AM  

Linux_Yes: KRSESQ: Tack on an SSD and that old processor will do just fine.

/but it probably won't run Crysis

Or u can just install Linux Mint


I installed Ubuntu on my Q6600 with it's original HDD. Boot time was atrocious. Faster than Windows? Yeah, but still atrocious. Long story short: Hard drive heads don't bounce around on the platters any faster just because it's a Linux distro.
 
2022-05-20 12:27:25 PM  

WeatherNerd: "Intel's Core i5-2500K from 2011 has an average CPU mark score that is 2.5x higher than the KX-6640MA"

So just over half the speed of a processor that came out 11 years ago.  Yuck.


My home tower is still a Z77X-UD3H/i5-3570k coupled with a GTX960 that I couldn't even tell you how much memory it has.  It still does all the basic things I need so no need to upgrade.  Still runs Win7 because 10 was a slog and I wasn't doing a reinstall after nearly a decade.

My laptop is a bit newer.  It is a 2013 Inspiron 14R using an i3-4010U.  Also does what I need (web browsing, writing) and the battery still holds a charge extremely well.  Bought it in 2013 for $400 at MEI, doubled the RAM and threw an SSD at it for another $200 total, been chugging away since.  That actually does have Win10 on it, runs fine.
 
2022-05-20 12:33:41 PM  

Wine Sipping Elitist: yakmans_dad: I just looked at the prices of a Raspberry Pi board. One was for under $10. Remember, at Los Alamos, Richard Feynman devised a multitasking system around a calculator that used punch cards as its input stream. And they designed the atomic bomb with that. There aren't that many problems that really need the computing power that languishes on our desks.

Hell, instead of sharing the link if you have the hookup like that, snatch up as many Rpis as you can and resell them! You have a gold mine!


I just Googled it. The 10$ one was for a camera. Walmart had a $15 clearance one.

Help yourself. I wouldn't know what to do with one.
 
2022-05-20 12:49:39 PM  
The problem is Russia home grown chip fabs have been stuck at 130nm for a decade now.
 
2022-05-20 1:09:17 PM  

Wine Sipping Elitist: Raspberry Pi board for $10? I'm SURE you mistyped or you have to share that link, homie. They are very much in short supply. I can't find one AT ALL or for less than $150 plus international shipping.


That might have been a Zero W in the before times - they were $10 in quantity 1 at Micro Center, with a price penalty if you bought more than one. But since the pandemic you're lucky to find Raspberry Pi anything. Even the 400s are hard to get now. Fortunately, I have all that I need at the moment.
 
2022-05-20 1:13:00 PM  

Nimbull: My Radio Shack CoCo3 has a shot of beating that thing.


Had a TRS-80 Model 3 and 4D, the latter with an ST-506 5MB drive

Was amazing what could be accomplished with the limited graphics back then as well.  The TRS-80 didn't have pixels, it had Squots (Square dots).  A neat trick they came up with to speed up the graphics was to have a "Squot matrix" setup that used the 8th bit to control a 2x3 squot matrix.   It was put into practice with classic shooting games like 13 Ghosts.
 
2022-05-20 2:51:10 PM  
This is from Amazon. Today. Right before I'm posting this.

NorthPada Raspberry Pi 3 Model B B+ A+ Plus Power Supply Charger AC Adapter Cord 5V 3A PSU Micro USB 5 Feet with Power On/Off Switch, with a USB C Adapter for Raspberry Pi 4 Model B, Pi 400

$9.99

https://www.amazon.com/NorthPada-Raspberry-Supply-Charger-Adapter/dp/B01N336XEU/ref=asc_df_B01N336XEU/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=167126093426&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=4671716794242950017&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9014313&hvtargid=pla-305664879250&th=1

What am I looking at?  Is that something other than a Raspberry Pi?

I feel like I'm in that scene from Spaceballs where everyone is looking at the monitor which shows them looking at the monitor etc.
 
2022-05-20 3:08:39 PM  

yakmans_dad: This is from Amazon. Today. Right before I'm posting this.

NorthPada Raspberry Pi 3 Model B B+ A+ Plus Power Supply Charger AC Adapter Cord 5V 3A PSU Micro USB 5 Feet with Power On/Off Switch, with a USB C Adapter for Raspberry Pi 4 Model B, Pi 400

$9.99

https://www.amazon.com/NorthPada-Raspberry-Supply-Charger-Adapter/dp/B01N336XEU/ref=asc_df_B01N336XEU/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=167126093426&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=4671716794242950017&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9014313&hvtargid=pla-305664879250&th=1

What am I looking at?  Is that something other than a Raspberry Pi?

I feel like I'm in that scene from Spaceballs where everyone is looking at the monitor which shows them looking at the monitor etc. ∞


That's a power supply for the old model of Pi, which really just means a micro-usb power adapter with 3A output.
 
hej
2022-05-20 3:20:44 PM  

Linux_Yes: KRSESQ: Tack on an SSD and that old processor will do just fine.

/but it probably won't run Crysis

Or u can just install Linux Mint


Does Linux Mint make computers run Crysis?
 
2022-05-20 3:34:13 PM  
If I was buying that stuff I'd be real worried about those motherboards leaking information back to China.

Backdoors - backdoors everywhere!
 
2022-05-20 3:50:54 PM  

ryebread: yakmans_dad: This is from Amazon. Today. Right before I'm posting this.

NorthPada Raspberry Pi 3 Model B B+ A+ Plus Power Supply Charger AC Adapter Cord 5V 3A PSU Micro USB 5 Feet with Power On/Off Switch, with a USB C Adapter for Raspberry Pi 4 Model B, Pi 400

$9.99

https://www.amazon.com/NorthPada-Raspberry-Supply-Charger-Adapter/dp/B01N336XEU/ref=asc_df_B01N336XEU/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=167126093426&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=4671716794242950017&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9014313&hvtargid=pla-305664879250&th=1

What am I looking at?  Is that something other than a Raspberry Pi?

I feel like I'm in that scene from Spaceballs where everyone is looking at the monitor which shows them looking at the monitor etc. ∞

That's a power supply for the old model of Pi, which really just means a micro-usb power adapter with 3A output.


Thanks.
 
2022-05-20 3:52:12 PM  

hej: Linux_Yes: KRSESQ: Tack on an SSD and that old processor will do just fine.

/but it probably won't run Crysis

Or u can just install Linux Mint

Does Linux Mint make computers run Crysis?


See you should only ever run Linux, and why play games when that precious GPU power can be used to mine crypto?

/ I'm personally enjoying the hell out of the new MSFS, which is good cause Warzone has flopped.
// Can't wait for MW2 this fall.
/// Slashes have to come in 3s?
 
2022-05-20 4:01:29 PM  

hej: Linux_Yes: KRSESQ: Tack on an SSD and that old processor will do just fine.

/but it probably won't run Crysis

Or u can just install Linux Mint

Does Linux Mint make computers run Crysis?


Dont know
Not a gamer

If it was built and compiled for windows probably not.

Unless u use WINE, etc
 
2022-05-20 4:04:00 PM  

hej: Linux_Yes: KRSESQ: Tack on an SSD and that old processor will do just fine.

/but it probably won't run Crysis

Or u can just install Linux Mint

Does Linux Mint make computers run Crysis?


But yes

Linux is lean and fast.  My backup desktop runs Linux mint debian edition 5 ( just released) fast with an amd phenom 4 core proc from 2012.
 
2022-05-20 4:04:32 PM  
About 2008 I rummaged through my junk box and assembled a Linux server for my home studio. I think it was a 6600 cpu.  Other than putting larger drives in it ran continuously for a decade until I decided I was pushing my luck and bought a NAS.
 
2022-05-20 4:27:53 PM  
Meh.  I do vehicle module programming for a living and some older vehicles only support older interfaces running off a DB9 serial port.

I've got a Centrino Duo, dual boot Win7 Pro and XP Pro which I use on a regular basis.  To be fair, it is running a SSD.
 
2022-05-20 4:52:39 PM  
Anandtech covered the Zhaoxin chips pretty well, which makes me wonder why they're buying the heap of shiat chips they are. Maybe China doesn't want to sell it the "good" ones.

https://www.anandtech.com/SearchResults?q=zhaoxin

Zhaoxin licensed Zen 1 from AMD which they were forking for their own design. Their own design is Zen 1 levels of performance (because that's what it's based off). So of course it's garbage compared to modern AMD and Intel, but it ain't Core2Duo levels of performance.

--

Also for the people running old tech, upgrades don't only have performance benefits, but size and noise benefits.

I upgraded from an older mid-tower to an EliteDesk Mini G4 with a six core i5-8500T and I'll probably never go back to a tower. Huge quality of life improvement from the noise reduction and space requirement on my desk.

- Can take 2x m.2 NVMe SSDs.
- A discrete GPU (one crap choice only, RX560) or a 2.5" SATA drive
- has 3x display outputs capable of driving 4K60p displays
- and it's a socketed processor so can be upgraded

And the integrated graphics is on par with an HD 5850. Currently playing remastered Ni no Kuni.

Now is the time to upgrade, and not for the performance.

Size:
i.ytimg.comView Full Size


Interior:
servethehome.comView Full Size
 
2022-05-20 5:10:26 PM  
Getting a kick about the old tech talk.

On a lark, I installed Ubuntu on a 2010 Core2Duo MacMini. It ran great until I upgraded to the new LTS (Jammy) and now it won't boot with both 4GB memory modules for a total of 8GB installed. Both chips test fine separately in either bay. Take one out, it boots just fine. Something messed up the BIOS/EFI but I have no idea how to fix it.
 
2022-05-20 5:10:34 PM  
Oh I see, this is some sort of 25W mobile version of the KX-6000 which is the Zen 1 derivative. The full fat 8 core 3GHz at 70W ones should be okay. Zen 1 okay.

Looks like the Chinese company probably made a bunch of them, realised how garbage they were and told Russia this is all they'll offer.
 
2022-05-20 5:27:59 PM  

KRSESQ: Tack on an SSD and that old processor will do just fine.

/but it probably won't run Crysis


It probably would, actually.  My old Core 2 Duo paired with an 8800 GT ran Crysis just fine.  Couldn't max out the settings of course but it held a steady framerate at medium settings.  Got a lot of mileage out of that rig, much more than I had any right to.
 
2022-05-20 9:10:10 PM  

Linux_Yes: Flowery Twats: 2016 GA-Z170X here, i7-6700K. Don't need anything more powerful to do schematics, layout and photo processing. Got the MB off eBay and the CPU from Goodwill. The case is an old LianLi tower I've had for years.
Running  Mint 20.3 very happily.

I prefer a desktop, because I do use a lot of external peripherals. Have a nice Dell Latitude 7480 laptop for travel. Also running Mint 20.3.

There are a *lot* of older machines out there for not much money, if you're willing to find the pieces and put them together yourself. I'm an old fart, but even my Millennial kids build their own PCs (though they tend to buy the parts new -- $ouch!).

Old machine??

Just put Linux Mint on it

Problem solved


Add an SSD for extra zip. Bonus on laptops: no more worrying about those little bumps when you're running.
 
2022-05-20 9:32:53 PM  
so how come those Commie bastards are so good at hacking?
 
2022-05-21 4:28:47 AM  
/looks at his IBM/cyrix dx4 100....man I gotta upgrade
 
2022-05-21 6:02:46 AM  

Linux_Yes: hej: Linux_Yes: KRSESQ: Tack on an SSD and that old processor will do just fine.

/but it probably won't run Crysis

Or u can just install Linux Mint

Does Linux Mint make computers run Crysis?

But yes

Linux is lean and fast.  My backup desktop runs Linux mint debian edition 5 ( just released) fast with an amd phenom 4 core proc from 2012.


Linux is a little lighter, but Mint doesn't really do much better than Windows 10.
 
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