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(quotecounterquote dot com)   Fitzgerald is quoted as saying "The rich are different from you and me." Hemingway is quoted as responding: "Yes, they have more money." The story of how this myth exchange got to be to the left. Discussion as to who was right to the right   ( divider line
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2022-05-19 10:05:29 AM  
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Thing is, Fitzgerald was making a deeply insightful claim about American classism, whereas Hemingway, in his typical, brutish way, paid attention only to surface-level details.

Fitzgerald saw the futility of the American dream for those who were sold the idea that through hard work they might one day join the rich elite. He knew that "money can't buy class," and thus no matter how rich one becomes they would never be able to escape their familial history and common lineage. "So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past."

Hemingway didn't concern himself with such things as class. I can only imagine how offensive he and his boorish crew of expats must have been in France after WWI. If he had written the Great Gatsby, he would have ended it with Gatsby giving up on Daisy and calling her a biatch, buying 500 acres for himself in the countryside, and stocking enough hunting gear for a small army so that he could while away his days killing defenceless animals and feeling superior to everyone else from a distance without actually making any attempt to fit into society.

Hurrr "they have money." Thanks for the insight, Ted Nugent.
2022-05-19 6:48:45 AM  
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Having actually RTFA, Fitzgerald is usually quoted as saying either "The rich are different from you and me" or "The rich are different from us."

But I'll side with Hemingway on this one.
2022-05-19 11:19:08 AM  
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Nobody ever said that was a real exchange.

the rich have less empathy.   Money shields a person from personal responsibility, from having to account for their every move.  Money makes one happier because it lessens personality responsibility for what you do, not  makes more of it.  That's just how they act.  The rich have no responsibility or connection to anything that the rest of us have to live with, and they like it that way, and intend to keep it, no  matter how little responsibility they have to take for the state of the world.  Then they read Forbes and pretend to care about the entire world, because their position demands it.  Their money does  not.

I have seen this in my own life, which has needed quite a bit of empathy.  I don't tell my troubles to anyone with money.  But if I go find a poor person, they've not only empathize, they've been through something like it, or they know all about that kind of situation, or they might even be able to give you good advice.  They look at you when they talk.  What a world, where you have to be a prole to still have human skills.  No wonder they all have to work at Applebees.  The rich wouldn't last 15 minutes. They don't have the skills to be around regular people.  Half of Fark tries to imitate them, because class  snobbery is a sign that you've arrived.  They never say where.

the rich just stare at you like, why don't you fix that then?  or What in the world is wrong with you that you let that happen?  The rich are responsible for the state of this country, this planet, and they can't continue to exist on a living planet.  But they keep us feeling guilty about their existence anyway, due to the enormous efforts they put into  convincing us that they were actually the ones that we needed, that they were the ones who led the way.....into what, they are always delightfully vague.  It would be good for everyone!  When by the laws of nature--it can't possibly be.  It can only be good for THEM.
They know this and don't care anyway.  They don't care if you die, as long as they keep acquiring bigger dicks to wave at each other.  It has nothing to do with you.

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