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(quotecounterquote dot com)   Fitzgerald is quoted as saying "The rich are different from you and me." Hemingway is quoted as responding: "Yes, they have more money." The story of how this myth exchange got to be to the left. Discussion as to who was right to the right   (quotecounterquote.com) divider line
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2022-05-19 10:05:29 AM  
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Thing is, Fitzgerald was making a deeply insightful claim about American classism, whereas Hemingway, in his typical, brutish way, paid attention only to surface-level details.

Fitzgerald saw the futility of the American dream for those who were sold the idea that through hard work they might one day join the rich elite. He knew that "money can't buy class," and thus no matter how rich one becomes they would never be able to escape their familial history and common lineage. "So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past."

Hemingway didn't concern himself with such things as class. I can only imagine how offensive he and his boorish crew of expats must have been in France after WWI. If he had written the Great Gatsby, he would have ended it with Gatsby giving up on Daisy and calling her a biatch, buying 500 acres for himself in the countryside, and stocking enough hunting gear for a small army so that he could while away his days killing defenceless animals and feeling superior to everyone else from a distance without actually making any attempt to fit into society.

Hurrr "they have money." Thanks for the insight, Ted Nugent.
 
2022-05-19 3:54:26 PM  
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severedtoe: people who have more money=power are less empathetic.  the further one gets removed from the plight of their fellow man the less they are to understand it or to be able to understand its challenges.  for those who have never experienced positions of hardship, loss, poverty, oppression;  they may be totally incapable of recognizing the suffering that comes from those conditions.

rich people are different.  they tend to be less altruistic, empathetic, and caring than the rest of the population.

there are studies that prove this out.  the only ones who can over come this are the ones who make an effort to do so.  otherwise the rich turn into assholes.


And yet we see at least 30,000,000 examples of exactly the same characteristics exhibited by people too poor to know where their next beer is coming from. Clearly, therefore, wealth is not the sole nidus of the syndrome. So... how are the wealthy different, again?
 
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