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2022-05-19 2:58:51 PM  
The Jimbo-Saban flame war today has been hilarious.  It's everything you could want from an SEC media day.
 
2022-05-19 2:59:38 PM  
Of course the NIL is sustainable.  There's plenty of money out there to chase these amateur athletes. I love how this complaint is coming from a coach making millions of dollars per year.
 
2022-05-19 3:01:33 PM  

UNC_Samurai: The Jimbo-Saban flame war today has been hilarious.  It's everything you could want from an SEC media day.


I can't believe you people get off on such childish bullshiat. Grow up, really.

/refreshes three different phones and tablets
//puts on Paul Finebaum
///gets some more tea
 
2022-05-19 3:06:12 PM  

UNC_Samurai: The Jimbo-Saban flame war today has been hilarious.  It's everything you could want from an SEC media day.


Oh yeah, possibly better than the pulling coach's fingernails out when the assembled reporters wanted strict "yes" or "no" answers on which coach it was who didn't put Tim Tebow on the All-SEC first team. I think it was Steve Spurrier IIRC but they had coaches lined up against the wall, one at a time.
 
2022-05-19 3:15:13 PM  
Oh shiat, I'm sure it'll get taken out of context but Jimbo Fisher might regret that comment about how he was raised and how somebody should have done the same to Nick Saban. No way he meant it like a truly out of bounds cheap shot but he'll get lit up for that one.
 
2022-05-19 3:22:42 PM  
"That's not what it was supposed to be," he said. "That's what it's become. And that's the problem in college athletics right now. Now every player is saying, 'Well, what am I going to get?'"

This isn't a problem.
 
2022-05-19 3:44:56 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: "That's not what it was supposed to be," he said. "That's what it's become. And that's the problem in college athletics right now. Now every player is saying, 'Well, what am I going to get?'"

This isn't a problem.


Well, it hasn't been for the last decades it's been going on. Apparently the problem is, now it's on the table, instead of under it.
 
2022-05-19 3:51:27 PM  
 
2022-05-19 3:59:46 PM  

Kid Lester: HotWingConspiracy: "That's not what it was supposed to be," he said. "That's what it's become. And that's the problem in college athletics right now. Now every player is saying, 'Well, what am I going to get?'"

This isn't a problem.

Well, it hasn't been for the last decades it's been going on. Apparently the problem is, now it's on the table, instead of under it.


It's a problem for the coaches that liked the level of control that came with holding the kids' future in their hands.  They're learning that being a dictator and telling a kid "my way or the highway" means nothing in the era of the transfer portal, when the highway leads them to greener pastures.
 
2022-05-19 4:48:25 PM  
"We didn't buy one player, all right?"

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2022-05-19 4:57:56 PM  

Big Merl: "We didn't buy one player, all right?"

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He is correct. They didn't buy one player. They bought all of them.
 
2022-05-19 5:01:56 PM  
I somewhat get Saban's point, to an extent. Not that I'm gonna actually defend him, because then I'd be defending Nick Saban, but he's ignoring one point.

See, he and his staff have built Alabama into the kind of program where no one questions an NFL GM if they draft a kid from there. If the starting left tackle from Alabama becomes a bust in the NFL, that first-round pick doesn't get a GM fired. It's the same as Kentucky or North Carolina in basketball- basically, those programs are "paying" kids with the promise of an easier pipeline to the pros.

Texas A&M hasn't won anything since... huh. I was gonna say since Bear Bryant was there, but apparently it's been since 1939. Not exactly a rich tradition (and everything at A&M is a f*cking sacred tradition). But they got money, and they can now get kids who want to live the Johnny Manziel life.

But what Saban's ignoring is that it was the piles of booster cash flowing in that bought Alabama the facilities that allowed the program to get to that level in the first place. So, y'know... point and laugh.
 
2022-05-19 5:14:31 PM  
Saban left the NFL because he couldn't control the players. They were millionaires that could tell him no. The QB and GM are the big dogs in the NFL and he couldn't take it. Pre NIL he was the ultimate dictator. No player would dare cross him or their scholarship would be ripped up. No booster nor administrator nor fan would speak up because as a dictator he gets results. As soon as Saban sees his control slipping away he starts worrying.

NIL means he can't control the players anymore. It means he can't control the boosters anymore. It means he's back the the NFL situation where the star player (QB) and the boosters (GM) are running the show. He hates it.

I'm calling it now, this is his last season. He will retire after this year. Bookmark this, if I'm wrong, and bring it up any time I ever pipe up about college football.

/I'm not wrong
//Saban is done
///He has gotten too old for this shiat
 
2022-05-19 5:18:57 PM  

balfourk: I'm calling it now, this is his last season. He will retire after this year. Bookmark this, if I'm wrong, and bring it up any time I ever pipe up about college football.


I agree. If not this year, then definitely next. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if, over the next few years, a lot of long-time coaches across the various collegiate sports suddenly decide that the time has come to step aside. *ESPECIALLY* the more authoritarian, "do-as-I-say-or-else" types. Much like professional free agency, that approach doesn't work when someone can just decide they don't want to deal with you anymore.
 
2022-05-19 5:31:10 PM  
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What Nick Saban coaching legally paid players might look like.
 
2022-05-19 5:34:05 PM  
Can't defend Saban - but he isn't wrong.
 
2022-05-19 5:37:09 PM  

Gonz: I somewhat get Saban's point, to an extent. Not that I'm gonna actually defend him, because then I'd be defending Nick Saban, but he's ignoring one point.

See, he and his staff have built Alabama into the kind of program where no one questions an NFL GM if they draft a kid from there. If the starting left tackle from Alabama becomes a bust in the NFL, that first-round pick doesn't get a GM fired. It's the same as Kentucky or North Carolina in basketball- basically, those programs are "paying" kids with the promise of an easier pipeline to the pros.

Texas A&M hasn't won anything since... huh. I was gonna say since Bear Bryant was there, but apparently it's been since 1939. Not exactly a rich tradition (and everything at A&M is a f*cking sacred tradition). But they got money, and they can now get kids who want to live the Johnny Manziel life.

But what Saban's ignoring is that it was the piles of booster cash flowing in that bought Alabama the facilities that allowed the program to get to that level in the first place. So, y'know... point and laugh.


I read an article yesterday that said NIL will likely lead to hurting the facilities. Every dollar that goes to players through NIL is likely one less dollar that will go to the program because boosters are unlikely to double their donations, giving both to the program and to players.
 
2022-05-19 6:06:30 PM  

KC Dutchman: Big Merl: "We didn't buy one player, all right?"

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He is correct. They didn't buy one player. They bought all of them.


They don't need to. Alabama has more NFL players than any other school and if you can do well at Alabama a multi-million dollar pro contract is all but guaranteed. A lesser school needs to pay players to lure them away from Alabama because their prospects of making the NFL are diminished and, should they still make the NFL, probably won't command the same draft position and resulting money as had they played at Alabama. In the short term, you will need to pay players the risk adjusted value of the "Alabama premium" but, over time the top players will just go to whichever school pays the most. And A&M with its huge, wealthy, and super-fanatical fan base is likely to supplant Alabama as the top dog in college football. Saban is right to be concerned.
 
2022-05-19 6:13:09 PM  

iamskibibitz: And A&M with its huge, wealthy, and super-fanatical fan base is likely to supplant Alabama as the top dog in college football. Saban is right to be concerned.


I'm an Aggies fan and I'll believe it when I see it.

I've mentioned it before but there was an old article that took a look at facilities, budgets, recruiting area, and that sort of thing for college programs. I can't remember if A&M was the most underachieving program but if it wasn't Clemson was and A&M was number two. Again, it was obviously an old article due to the mention of Clemson but I won't believe that A&M can do something until they do it.
 
2022-05-19 9:16:18 PM  

WoodyHayes: iamskibibitz: And A&M with its huge, wealthy, and super-fanatical fan base is likely to supplant Alabama as the top dog in college football. Saban is right to be concerned.

I'm an Aggies fan and I'll believe it when I see it.

I've mentioned it before but there was an old article that took a look at facilities, budgets, recruiting area, and that sort of thing for college programs. I can't remember if A&M was the most underachieving program but if it wasn't Clemson was and A&M was number two. Again, it was obviously an old article due to the mention of Clemson but I won't believe that A&M can do something until they do it.


It's really almost impressive that A&M hasn't won more than they have. They've got 12 men, fer chrissakes!
 
2022-05-19 9:23:46 PM  
the dodgers should take some notes

/f#ck the dodgers
 
2022-05-19 11:21:03 PM  

EyeballKid: What Nick Saban coaching legally paid players might look like.


I'm going to end up kinda defending Nick Saban twice in one thread, and after I post this, I'm going to go wash my face, look at myself in the mirror, and reevaluate my life. But on his way out of the NFL, he said something that I happen to agree with.

One of the problems with the way every professional league in America is structured is that it's more advantageous to be awful than it is to slowly build. And it's a system that can be exploited. Look at the Colts when Peyton got hurt- we didn't all collectively hallucinate "suck for Luck." A 2-14 team that goes to 6-10 and then 8-8 but is showing steady growth is in a much worse position than a team that went 2-14, 14-2, and 2-14. I'm exaggerating, but you get the point.

It's one of the things I love about European soccer, and it holds true to a lesser extent in NCAA sports: if you finish last, you don't get the best upcoming young talent. Your entire organization gets sent down to the minor leagues where it obviously belongs since it's shown that it can't function on the top level.
 
2022-05-20 12:49:00 AM  

runwiz: Of course the NIL is sustainable.  There's plenty of money out there to chase these amateur athletes. I love how this complaint is coming from a coach making millions of dollars per year.


But what if paying the players cuts into his money?
 
2022-05-20 5:31:33 AM  
On the one hand, I get where Saban is coming from. Maybe A&M itself didn't buy every player, but their boosters certainly did through NIL. Because every state has different rules for NIL, it's the wild wild west right now and the playing field really isn't level.

On the other hand, it's their own fault. The NCAA and coaches like Saban ignored the writing on the wall and resisted NIL until the bitter end. If they'd gotten out in front of it a long time ago, they might not be in this mess. They deserve the comeuppance they're getting for all of their greed, and I hope the athletes exploit the chaos as much as they can before everything settles and the schools figure out a way to get the upper hand again.
 
2022-05-20 9:53:49 AM  

Get Rich or Try Dyin': Gonz: I somewhat get Saban's point, to an extent. Not that I'm gonna actually defend him, because then I'd be defending Nick Saban, but he's ignoring one point.

See, he and his staff have built Alabama into the kind of program where no one questions an NFL GM if they draft a kid from there. If the starting left tackle from Alabama becomes a bust in the NFL, that first-round pick doesn't get a GM fired. It's the same as Kentucky or North Carolina in basketball- basically, those programs are "paying" kids with the promise of an easier pipeline to the pros.

Texas A&M hasn't won anything since... huh. I was gonna say since Bear Bryant was there, but apparently it's been since 1939. Not exactly a rich tradition (and everything at A&M is a f*cking sacred tradition). But they got money, and they can now get kids who want to live the Johnny Manziel life.

But what Saban's ignoring is that it was the piles of booster cash flowing in that bought Alabama the facilities that allowed the program to get to that level in the first place. So, y'know... point and laugh.

I read an article yesterday that said NIL will likely lead to hurting the facilities. Every dollar that goes to players through NIL is likely one less dollar that will go to the program because boosters are unlikely to double their donations, giving both to the program and to players.


Maybe, but I think it could also have a positive effect for programs where students will be more inclined to stay in school, play out their eligibility, and even (shocking) potentially graduate.
 
2022-05-20 2:08:55 PM  
 
2022-05-20 2:33:39 PM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: Jimbo's 2022 recruiting class


Though you're clearly full of lies, being a better person than you are does mean that I would accept your apology. Let me know.
 
2022-05-20 2:43:44 PM  

WoodyHayes: Kangaroo_Ralph: Jimbo's 2022 recruiting class

Though you're clearly full of lies, being a better person than you are does mean that I would accept your apology. Let me know.


I honestly don't know wth you're talking about.
 
2022-05-20 3:51:28 PM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: WoodyHayes: Kangaroo_Ralph: Jimbo's 2022 recruiting class

Though you're clearly full of lies, being a better person than you are does mean that I would accept your apology. Let me know.

I honestly don't know wth you're talking about.


Your posted falsehoods concerning Texas A&M who have never cheated and would never cheat. I'm still willing to accept your apology.
 
2022-05-20 4:03:32 PM  

WoodyHayes: Kangaroo_Ralph: WoodyHayes: Kangaroo_Ralph: Jimbo's 2022 recruiting class

Though you're clearly full of lies, being a better person than you are does mean that I would accept your apology. Let me know.

I honestly don't know wth you're talking about.

Your posted falsehoods concerning Texas A&M who have never cheated and would never cheat. I'm still willing to accept your apology.


I get the feeling you're just having fun, but it's hard to tell on Fark. But even if you had taken the time to read my link, why would I apologize to you? Unless you're Jimbo Fisher or the A&M president?!? :-O
 
2022-05-20 4:40:33 PM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: WoodyHayes: Kangaroo_Ralph: WoodyHayes: Kangaroo_Ralph: Jimbo's 2022 recruiting class

Though you're clearly full of lies, being a better person than you are does mean that I would accept your apology. Let me know.

I honestly don't know wth you're talking about.

Your posted falsehoods concerning Texas A&M who have never cheated and would never cheat. I'm still willing to accept your apology.

I get the feeling you're just having fun, but it's hard to tell on Fark. But even if you had taken the time to read my link, why would I apologize to you? Unless you're Jimbo Fisher or the A&M president?!? :-O


Good sir Mr. Ralph, I am writing to you again so that I may express my extreme umbrage about this concept of me having "fun" over you dastardly impugning the honor of College Station with your nefarious canard about cheating, something I'm sure you're very familiar with since you're an Alabama fan. A good faith attempt to bring about an honorable redress of grievances is not "fun," it is something a good man is duty bound to do even in the face of such hostility. Your apology will no longer be accepted and may your harvest be crippled by blight.

Never yours,
A humble Texas A&M fan
 
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