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2022-05-19 5:23:03 AM  
Give.
Us.
Revan.

This isn't freaking rocket science here. I don't think the entire Legends/EU category should suddenly become canon. But when the fanbase has been virtually screaming for certain characters and stories for going on two decades now, you might actually want to listen to them.

Also, pit Dave Filloni in charge of *everything* Star Wars. Dude knows what he's doing and has a proven track record. No need to poach Fiege from the Marvel division.
 
2022-05-19 5:38:12 AM  
At least until the JJ gets another script and it turns out that everyone is a Skywalker!

/noooooooooooooooooooo...
 
2022-05-19 6:13:08 AM  
It's about f*cking time. Wanna get really nuts?
Throw the sequels in the garbage. Make them part of Legends.
 
2022-05-19 6:30:15 AM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: when the fanbase has been virtually screaming for certain characters and stories for going on two decades now, you might actually want to listen to them.


When Disney (and Kathleen Kennedy in particular) want the fan base's opinion, then Disney will give it to them..
 
2022-05-19 6:42:32 AM  
Lucasfilm is primarily focused on expanding George Lucas' universe beyond the Skywalker saga - and not looking to tell new stories with the iconic characters played by new actors.

I'm being gaslit, aren't I?
 
2022-05-19 6:43:14 AM  
As "one of the first ideas that came up when the company was sold," she said, Kennedy took Solo to screenwriter Larry Kasdan (whom she has known "forever"), and both "genuinely believed at the time it was a good idea."

Sheer, f*cking, hubris. Let's take a character defined and imprinted by Harrison Ford and cast a smirking, dipshiat to play him. Just Some sh*t you just can't do. That's one of them.
 
2022-05-19 7:56:00 AM  
(You know, for arguments sake, Ewan McGregor IS an actor playing a younger version of an iconic 'Legacy' character)
 
2022-05-19 7:58:39 AM  
I have a couple ideas I wouldn't mind seeing but I'm afraid what they will do to those after episodes 7, 8, and 9.
 
2022-05-19 8:01:37 AM  
IOW "we've sucked on that teat until it is dry. Time to slaughter the cow for its meat."
 
2022-05-19 8:16:00 AM  
You made The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker and you lay the blame on Solo?
 
2022-05-19 8:26:50 AM  

Bslim: As "one of the first ideas that came up when the company was sold," she said, Kennedy took Solo to screenwriter Larry Kasdan (whom she has known "forever"), and both "genuinely believed at the time it was a good idea."

Sheer, f*cking, hubris. Let's take a character defined and imprinted by Harrison Ford and cast a smirking, dipshiat to play him. Just Some sh*t you just can't do. That's one of them.


I think the casting wasn't all that bad. Ford was a smirking dick in a few scenes in ANH too and the progression from smirking dick to scoundrel with a heart at the end of Solo is clearly defined. I feel at the end of the movie, he is on the way to becoming the guy we meet in the Cantina. I've rewatched Solo a few times and it's got some great things going for it. For example, Glover nails it as Lando.
 
2022-05-19 8:40:41 AM  

Bslim: As "one of the first ideas that came up when the company was sold," she said, Kennedy took Solo to screenwriter Larry Kasdan (whom she has known "forever"), and both "genuinely believed at the time it was a good idea."

Sheer, f*cking, hubris. Let's take a character defined and imprinted by Harrison Ford and cast a smirking, dipshiat to play him. Just Some sh*t you just can't do. That's one of them.


I had no problem with the whole idea, and obviously Harrison Ford can't play himself at 18.  But that actor wasn't the right actor, and that script wasn't the right script.  Harrison could have cameo'd a small part in a framing device, like old Han giving his life story to a reporter, if having Ford in the movie was needed to give it authenticity.

But frankly, not making that movie and letting Han's background remain nothing more than stories and gossip and innuendo from other character lets Han stay the good guy with the dodgy background, which is a better character anyway.
 
2022-05-19 8:43:22 AM  
One of the many reasons I loved Rogie One was because it wasn't Skywalker-centric.

I mean sure, there's the cameo, but overall...
 
2022-05-19 8:43:59 AM  

Bslim: It's about f*cking time. Wanna get really nuts?
Throw the sequels, and prequels in the garbage. Make them part of Legends.


Improved.
 
2022-05-19 8:49:30 AM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: Give.
Us.
Revan.

This isn't freaking rocket science here. I don't think the entire Legends/EU category should suddenly become canon. But when the fanbase has been virtually screaming for certain characters and stories for going on two decades now, you might actually want to listen to them.

Also, pit Dave Filloni in charge of *everything* Star Wars. Dude knows what he's doing and has a proven track record. No need to poach Fiege from the Marvel division.


And get Favreau involved. Hell yes. I want Revan, there are great characters and stories there, and a hell of an arc. I also want Dr. Aphra, if they insist on keeping the Skywalker angle somehow (that would be perfect for Waititi).
 
2022-05-19 8:50:43 AM  

Nimbull: I have a couple ideas I wouldn't mind seeing but I'm afraid what they will do to those after episodes 7, 8, and 9.


I'm still not sure what the state of the Jedi, and force users in general, is at the end of Ep 9.  I don't really know what the hell was achieved, other than killing the Emperor again, which is like destroying the death star again, and again, and again, and yet again.  So some chick who trained as a Jedi for a couple of weeks under a Jedi who trained for a couple of months is now calling herself Skywalker... so what?

Now, I myself have written a 2300 page rough draft of what I think should have happened.  Let's just start at about 50 years before the Battle of Yavin when Shmi Skywalker was born... or was she?...
 
2022-05-19 9:15:35 AM  
Unlikely indeed. Even The Mandalorian, which supposedly was going to be an original story separate from the films, had to drag out Luke Skywalker to stimulate the pleasure receptors of Star Wars fans.
 
2022-05-19 9:26:42 AM  

Aquapope: I had no problem with the whole idea, and obviously Harrison Ford can't play himself at 18.  But that actor wasn't the right actor, and that script wasn't the right script.


It was a fun space-heist movie set in the Star Wars universe but it shouldn't have been Han Solo.

And the problem was they gave Han the same character arc that they did in a New Hope.
Made no sense then when we meet him (again) in New Hope
 
2022-05-19 9:29:45 AM  
Somewhat related. Star Wars:The Old Republic had nobody familiar from the movies , yet the story telling was good and interesting in my opinion. It can be done
 
2022-05-19 9:41:44 AM  

Lego_Addict: I think the casting wasn't all that bad. Ford was a smirking dick in a few scenes in ANH too and the progression from smirking dick to scoundrel with a heart at the end of Solo is clearly defined. I feel at the end of the movie, he is on the way to becoming the guy we meet in the Cantina. I've rewatched Solo a few times and it's got some great things going for it. For example, Glover nails it as Lando.


Oh no he was not.

Making Solo into a swell guy from the beginning completely undervalues his decision to enter the battle of Yavin at the last minute and then to stay with the rebellion afterward.

Han. Was. A. Pirate.

He was the type of guy to 'dump his cargo' at the first sight of an Imperial cruiser. He would certainly shoot somebody under the table if he felt threatened. Hell, he tells you himself. He only cares about one person, ME. He isn't in it for the movement. He expects to be paid.
 
2022-05-19 9:41:50 AM  
We'll get Katarn and Ors flying the Moldy Crow around being the A-Team of the Star Wars universe.
 
2022-05-19 9:44:05 AM  
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2022-05-19 10:05:59 AM  
Just give me a Donald Glover as Lando chilling out with Lobot movie where they basically run a club and swindle shiat. Hell through in Willrow Hood in the background to satisfy the Cracked.com articles that will get written about it
 
2022-05-19 10:07:21 AM  

Lego_Addict: Bslim: As "one of the first ideas that came up when the company was sold," she said, Kennedy took Solo to screenwriter Larry Kasdan (whom she has known "forever"), and both "genuinely believed at the time it was a good idea."

Sheer, f*cking, hubris. Let's take a character defined and imprinted by Harrison Ford and cast a smirking, dipshiat to play him. Just Some sh*t you just can't do. That's one of them.

I think the casting wasn't all that bad. Ford was a smirking dick in a few scenes in ANH too and the progression from smirking dick to scoundrel with a heart at the end of Solo is clearly defined. I feel at the end of the movie, he is on the way to becoming the guy we meet in the Cantina. I've rewatched Solo a few times and it's got some great things going for it. For example, Glover nails it as Lando.


They really did about as well as you could do making him have an arc that led to the Han we all love from ANH while not making him a horrible person
 
2022-05-19 10:09:21 AM  
She has the look of someone who isn't through destroying a franchise yet.
 
2022-05-19 10:34:57 AM  
We've already expanded beyond Skywalker. Now it's all Palpatine, all the time. That's enough, right?
 
2022-05-19 10:37:34 AM  

TheManofPA: Lando chilling out with Lobot movie where they basically run a club and swindle shiat.


I'd watch the Hel outta that.
 
2022-05-19 10:44:08 AM  
So Solo is bad now? I thought it was pretty good and I vaguely recall it being mostly well received, like Rogue One.  But TFA makes it sound like it's some universally panned thing.

I thought Rise of Skywalker was the consensus turd of the recent batch of films.
 
2022-05-19 10:52:23 AM  
madgonad:

Han. Was. A. Pirate

And a drug smuggler.
 
2022-05-19 10:59:40 AM  

Fano: Lego_Addict: Bslim: As "one of the first ideas that came up when the company was sold," she said, Kennedy took Solo to screenwriter Larry Kasdan (whom she has known "forever"), and both "genuinely believed at the time it was a good idea."

Sheer, f*cking, hubris. Let's take a character defined and imprinted by Harrison Ford and cast a smirking, dipshiat to play him. Just Some sh*t you just can't do. That's one of them.

I think the casting wasn't all that bad. Ford was a smirking dick in a few scenes in ANH too and the progression from smirking dick to scoundrel with a heart at the end of Solo is clearly defined. I feel at the end of the movie, he is on the way to becoming the guy we meet in the Cantina. I've rewatched Solo a few times and it's got some great things going for it. For example, Glover nails it as Lando.

They really did about as well as you could do making him have an arc that led to the Han we all love from ANH while not making him a horrible person


The shouldn't have put him in that story in the first place!
Admittedly, I like the film. Did it need Han Solo, no, not even a little bit. It could have worked as a "Star Wars Story" without Han. Harrelson's character and Lando would've worked just fine pulling a heist/doublecross story.
And again, of you're going to try to cast a young Solo, you don't get some clean-cut fratboy looking douchecanoe.
 
2022-05-19 11:01:52 AM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: Give.
Us.
Revan.



NO. F#ck Revan. That's some of the worst storytelling in Star Wars, but people have this nostalgia-goggles reaction to him/her because there was a time when KOTOR was the only decent Star Wars available between movie generations, and they are inserting themselves, as player into the story of Revan.

Besides, here's what would happen if they caved to this ridiculous request from the Legends fanboys: They'd announce the casting choice, and you'd all go apeshiat over it being the wrong person. Then when the show came out, you'd nitpick every little detail that doesn't line-up exactly with your head-canon based on your personal experience playing KOTOR. And whoever played Revan would receive shiatloads of hate-mail and angry tweets from guys who are angry that they look a certain way, or did a certain thing "wrong", or "betrayed the character" by making a choice in the performance that wasn't identical to the choice made by the animators/voice actors for the games.

You would then spend the next two years talking about how much Disney and Kennedy "ruined" Revan because you didn't get to see massive carnage on screen or the actor playing Revan didn't line up with your politics or deeply-held beliefs about the Legends content perfectly.

Things from Legends that should NEVER be in canon:

Revan
Ysalimiri
Talon Karrde
Mara Jade-Skywalker
Starkiller (the Secret Apprentice)
Kyp Durron
ANYTHING from The Crystal Star
The Yuuzhan Vong
Vergere
The Skywalker Twins / Darth Caedus / "Sword of the Jedi" Jaina
96% of Karen Traviss' Mandalorian stuff
Joruus C'baoth
Luuke
HK-47 (such a fanwank of a droid. IG-11 and 000 are so much better)
and most of Luke's students in his academy, except maybe Kyle Katarn (whose entire history needs to be rewritten because he shouldn't be the son of a Jedi and the "Valley of the Jedi" is a terrible idea, and the Sith chasing him shouldn't even exist.)
 
2022-05-19 11:02:51 AM  

smurfco: So Solo is bad now? I thought it was pretty good and I vaguely recall it being mostly well received, like Rogue One.  But TFA makes it sound like it's some universally panned thing.

I thought Rise of Skywalker was the consensus turd of the recent batch of films.


It is still the only Star Wars film to lose money. And it lost a lot of money. The global box office gross was less than the production costs. When the theatre's cut and marketing costs are included I suspect it lost Disney a quarter of a billion dollars.

Put it this way. It made about as much money as Empire did in its original release 38 years prior. Back when a ticket to a movie for a kid was a buck.
 
2022-05-19 11:06:56 AM  

WilderKWight: NO. F#ck Revan. (edited out the rest)


Really. KotOR was the worst storytelling? I'm pretty sure the collective fan base would place it above everything else in Star Wars besides ESB and maybe the original movie. There is plenty of garbage in the EU, but the two KotOR stories aren't.
 
2022-05-19 11:07:01 AM  
Maybe they should just take a villain we think is dead and bring him back.

Like Boba Fett.

Or Palpatine.

Or Darth Maul.
 
2022-05-19 11:07:16 AM  
WilderKWight:

Vergere

God, I'm with you there, her and Lumiya. The absolute epitome of over-powered reverse-ex-machina characters.
 
2022-05-19 11:08:39 AM  

Chemlight Battery: Maybe they should just take a villain we think is dead and bring him back.

Like Boba Fett.

Or Palpatine.

Or Darth Maul.


Jar Jar Binks?
 
2022-05-19 11:14:40 AM  

Bslim: As "one of the first ideas that came up when the company was sold," she said, Kennedy took Solo to screenwriter Larry Kasdan (whom she has known "forever"), and both "genuinely believed at the time it was a good idea."

Sheer, f*cking, hubris. Let's take a character defined and imprinted by Harrison Ford and cast a smirking, dipshiat to play him. Just Some sh*t you just can't do. That's one of them.


Learned the wrong lesson from marvel movies etc.

A lot of recasting of specific characters out there that's worked pretty well.

Heck even Star Trek has done well recasting Kirk.

But, for one, chis pine >>>>>> Alden elderlicker, and also the nature of the character feels a bit different - William shatner is Kirk, but Han Solo is harrison ford.
 
2022-05-19 11:15:45 AM  

buntz: (You know, for arguments sake, Ewan McGregor IS an actor playing a younger version of an iconic 'Legacy' character)


Lol true.

Maybe it was just casting.

And maybe there's something about Han that is uniquely Harrison, compared to other characters.
 
2022-05-19 11:16:45 AM  

Lego_Addict: Bslim: As "one of the first ideas that came up when the company was sold," she said, Kennedy took Solo to screenwriter Larry Kasdan (whom she has known "forever"), and both "genuinely believed at the time it was a good idea."

Sheer, f*cking, hubris. Let's take a character defined and imprinted by Harrison Ford and cast a smirking, dipshiat to play him. Just Some sh*t you just can't do. That's one of them.

I think the casting wasn't all that bad. Ford was a smirking dick in a few scenes in ANH too and the progression from smirking dick to scoundrel with a heart at the end of Solo is clearly defined. I feel at the end of the movie, he is on the way to becoming the guy we meet in the Cantina. I've rewatched Solo a few times and it's got some great things going for it. For example, Glover nails it as Lando.


Should've been a lando movie ( or series ).
 
2022-05-19 11:22:28 AM  

smurfco: So Solo is bad now? I thought it was pretty good and I vaguely recall it being mostly well received, like Rogue One.  But TFA makes it sound like it's some universally panned thing.

I thought Rise of Skywalker was the consensus turd of the recent batch of films.


You're talking about quality of film.

This is about fan reception and box office.

Solo did less than half what the other movies and rogue one did.
 
2022-05-19 11:24:31 AM  

scanson: smurfco: So Solo is bad now? I thought it was pretty good and I vaguely recall it being mostly well received, like Rogue One.  But TFA makes it sound like it's some universally panned thing.

I thought Rise of Skywalker was the consensus turd of the recent batch of films.

You're talking about quality of film.

This is about fan reception and box office.

Solo did less than half what the other movies and rogue one did.


It really got Munsoned
 
2022-05-19 11:30:06 AM  

Raider_dad: Somewhat related. Star Wars:The Old Republic had nobody familiar from the movies , yet the story telling was good and interesting in my opinion. It can be done


I like the idea that the Emperor is about 10,000 years old and he's changed bodies a zillion times.  He's been around long enough to have built and rebuilt several empires.  He's bored and jaded and wants to start from scratch.  So he starts a whole different empire, The Zakul, using high-tech from a defunct civilization, and then uses it to defeat both the Republic and the Sith.  He's the Zakul emperor who defeats himselfarkind of) as the emperor of the Sith.  Cuz he loves power and manipulating people.  And then a couple thousand years later his name is Palpatine, presumably.

Kelly Hu should be Satelle Shan.
 
2022-05-19 11:32:19 AM  

madgonad: smurfco: So Solo is bad now? I thought it was pretty good and I vaguely recall it being mostly well received, like Rogue One.  But TFA makes it sound like it's some universally panned thing.

I thought Rise of Skywalker was the consensus turd of the recent batch of films.

It is still the only Star Wars film to lose money. And it lost a lot of money. The global box office gross was less than the production costs. When the theatre's cut and marketing costs are included I suspect it lost Disney a quarter of a billion dollars.

Put it this way. It made about as much money as Empire did in its original release 38 years prior. Back when a ticket to a movie for a kid was a buck.


I'd like to talk to the studio execs and ask them why the movie lost money.  I bet none of them would say "It was a dumb story written and directed by people who don't know or love Star Wars."
 
2022-05-19 11:38:45 AM  

madgonad: Lego_Addict: I think the casting wasn't all that bad. Ford was a smirking dick in a few scenes in ANH too and the progression from smirking dick to scoundrel with a heart at the end of Solo is clearly defined. I feel at the end of the movie, he is on the way to becoming the guy we meet in the Cantina. I've rewatched Solo a few times and it's got some great things going for it. For example, Glover nails it as Lando.

Oh no he was not.

Making Solo into a swell guy from the beginning completely undervalues his decision to enter the battle of Yavin at the last minute and then to stay with the rebellion afterward.

Han. Was. A. Pirate.

He was the type of guy to 'dump his cargo' at the first sight of an Imperial cruiser. He would certainly shoot somebody under the table if he felt threatened. Hell, he tells you himself. He only cares about one person, ME. He isn't in it for the movement. He expects to be paid.


I disagree it undermines anything. Han was a smuggler not a pirate, he was raised by pirates (or kidnapped or whatever Legends says now). Shiat, I would shoot first too if my life was under threat. You don't have to be a smuggler or pirate to do this, you just have to not be an idiot.

Expecting to be paid does not mean you don't have a heart. Han was never supposed to be some cold blooded mercenary.
 
2022-05-19 11:40:41 AM  
And another thing. A big part of the problem with the characterization in Solo was the way this dude is presented. Here we have Han and his girlfriend, basically as indentured servants/slaves. Do they seem damaged, bitter...angry? NOPE! they're having a gay old time, it looks just awesome, to be living like that way. Wow, just a lopsided grin that's all this guy is (after they grabbed the love of his life and he left her there) c'mon, man. It was cheap and unearned, it diminished Han Solo.
Again, it should've just been a heist.
 
2022-05-19 11:43:14 AM  
No more legacy characters probably means movies populated by the siblings, parents, long-lost twins, and clones of legacy characters.
 
2022-05-19 11:46:03 AM  

Lego_Addict: madgonad: Lego_Addict: I think the casting wasn't all that bad. Ford was a smirking dick in a few scenes in ANH too and the progression from smirking dick to scoundrel with a heart at the end of Solo is clearly defined. I feel at the end of the movie, he is on the way to becoming the guy we meet in the Cantina. I've rewatched Solo a few times and it's got some great things going for it. For example, Glover nails it as Lando.

Oh no he was not.

Making Solo into a swell guy from the beginning completely undervalues his decision to enter the battle of Yavin at the last minute and then to stay with the rebellion afterward.

Han. Was. A. Pirate.

He was the type of guy to 'dump his cargo' at the first sight of an Imperial cruiser. He would certainly shoot somebody under the table if he felt threatened. Hell, he tells you himself. He only cares about one person, ME. He isn't in it for the movement. He expects to be paid.

I disagree it undermines anything. Han was a smuggler not a pirate, he was raised by pirates (or kidnapped or whatever Legends says now). Shiat, I would shoot first too if my life was under threat. You don't have to be a smuggler or pirate to do this, you just have to not be an idiot.

Expecting to be paid does not mean you don't have a heart. Han was never supposed to be some cold blooded mercenary.


Leia literally calls him a mercenary and Han says he doesn't do anything if he didn't get paid. When he was introduced in the original film he was a handsome and dangerous rogue. It was not a safe thing for Luke and Ben to get on the Falcon. Han wouldn't hesitate to dump his 'cargo' if it meant saving his own neck. He was a trafficker and a killer. Making him this swell do-gooder in Solo undercuts everything. Having his efforts 'fund' the rebellion in its infancy was trash.
 
2022-05-19 11:47:33 AM  

smurfco: So Solo is bad now? I thought it was pretty good and I vaguely recall it being mostly well received, like Rogue One.  But TFA makes it sound like it's some universally panned thing.

I thought Rise of Skywalker was the consensus turd of the recent batch of films.


I didn't think it was bad, just kinda meh. It looks like Citizen Kane when compared to the sequels.
 
2022-05-19 11:47:58 AM  

madgonad: Lego_Addict: madgonad: Lego_Addict: I think the casting wasn't all that bad. Ford was a smirking dick in a few scenes in ANH too and the progression from smirking dick to scoundrel with a heart at the end of Solo is clearly defined. I feel at the end of the movie, he is on the way to becoming the guy we meet in the Cantina. I've rewatched Solo a few times and it's got some great things going for it. For example, Glover nails it as Lando.

Oh no he was not.

Making Solo into a swell guy from the beginning completely undervalues his decision to enter the battle of Yavin at the last minute and then to stay with the rebellion afterward.

Han. Was. A. Pirate.

He was the type of guy to 'dump his cargo' at the first sight of an Imperial cruiser. He would certainly shoot somebody under the table if he felt threatened. Hell, he tells you himself. He only cares about one person, ME. He isn't in it for the movement. He expects to be paid.

I disagree it undermines anything. Han was a smuggler not a pirate, he was raised by pirates (or kidnapped or whatever Legends says now). Shiat, I would shoot first too if my life was under threat. You don't have to be a smuggler or pirate to do this, you just have to not be an idiot.

Expecting to be paid does not mean you don't have a heart. Han was never supposed to be some cold blooded mercenary.

Leia literally calls him a mercenary and Han says he doesn't do anything if he didn't get paid. When he was introduced in the original film he was a handsome and dangerous rogue. It was not a safe thing for Luke and Ben to get on the Falcon. Han wouldn't hesitate to dump his 'cargo' if it meant saving his own neck. He was a trafficker and a killer. Making him this swell do-gooder in Solo undercuts everything. Having his efforts 'fund' the rebellion in its infancy was trash.


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2022-05-19 12:01:10 PM  

mongbiohazard: No more legacy characters probably means movies populated by the siblings, parents, long-lost twins, and clones of legacy characters.


Yep, that's the Wampa Paw the fans are wishing on.
 
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