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2022-05-18 7:42:48 PM  
Church owns the property, landlord wants safety.  You don't like go somewhere else.

Next problem, you run off to the local government to complain.  It's a private school, you want government oversight, next time go to public school.
 
2022-05-18 7:59:10 PM  
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2022-05-18 8:45:02 PM  
honestly I was pleasantly surprised to find the church on the side of the angels, for once.
 
2022-05-18 8:51:38 PM  
Science is clearly not heavy in the curriculum.
 
2022-05-18 9:01:05 PM  

tintar: honestly I was pleasantly surprised to find the church on the side of the angels, for once.


Episcopalians have been pretty mask and vaccine friendly.  Our diocese Shut Down Everything fairly early in the pandemic.
 
2022-05-18 9:59:36 PM  
After weeks of bath and forth froth . . .

Amiright?
 
2022-05-18 10:32:57 PM  

enry: tintar: honestly I was pleasantly surprised to find the church on the side of the angels, for once.

Episcopalians have been pretty mask and vaccine friendly.  Our diocese Shut Down Everything fairly early in the pandemic.


this makes me very happy!
 
2022-05-18 10:36:27 PM  
Guessing the FL government will somehow forget everything they've been saying about religious freedom and find a way to force the church to give out the space.
 
2022-05-18 11:44:03 PM  
Religion is on the side of facts and evidence... School is on the side of feelings and unfounded belief.

Well, that sure doesn't happen often.
 
2022-05-18 11:50:10 PM  

clkeagle: Religion is on the side of facts and evidence... School is on the side of feelings and unfounded belief.

Well, that sure doesn't happen often.


My very reaction - I had to read the article twice just to ensure I had the facts straight.

Church does the right thing; school board morons throw tantrum.
 
2022-05-18 11:56:25 PM  

FormlessOne: clkeagle: Religion is on the side of facts and evidence... School is on the side of feelings and unfounded belief.

Well, that sure doesn't happen often.

My very reaction - I had to read the article twice just to ensure I had the facts straight.

Church does the right thing; school board morons throw tantrum.


Forget it, Jake. It's Florida.
 
2022-05-19 12:00:24 AM  
"Schools" housed in churches, usually aren't really.
 
2022-05-19 12:02:13 AM  
FTA: Parents of St. Joseph's students are planning to appear at a Boynton Beach city meeting Tuesday night to ask for support from city leaders.

Ohhh, now they want government to interfere with religion.
 
2022-05-19 12:07:00 AM  
Some will be conflicted about backing a church and a landlord.
 
2022-05-19 12:11:32 AM  
Is the church otherwise under any obligation to renew the lease when it is up?

Second question, how much leeway does anyone have when it comes to requirements like that for their property when leasing?  Do property owners have limitations on what they can ask a tenant to do?
 
2022-05-19 12:12:09 AM  

tintar: honestly I was pleasantly surprised to find the church on the side of the angels, for once.


🔥 👁 👁 👁 We too are pleased!👁 👁 👁 🔥
 
2022-05-19 12:17:14 AM  
The GOP's plan to collapse infrastructure and sow discord between local institutions continues apace. Every community space will soon be too isolated to enjoin a community.
 
2022-05-19 12:19:36 AM  
Episcopalian.  The second least stupid version of Christianity. Still stupid, but mostly harmless.
 
2022-05-19 12:28:04 AM  

tintar: honestly I was pleasantly surprised to find the church on the side of the angels, for once.


How do you know that the angels aren't short-staffed and in need of relief from new covid deaths?
 
2022-05-19 12:35:49 AM  

Serious Post on Serious Thread: Episcopalian.  The second least stupid version of Christianity. Still stupid, but mostly harmless.


don't forget your towel
 
2022-05-19 12:37:00 AM  
I just don't get to say this kind of think that often: Good move, church.
 
2022-05-19 12:39:04 AM  

WillofJ2: Is the church otherwise under any obligation to renew the lease when it is up?

Second question, how much leeway does anyone have when it comes to requirements like that for their property when leasing?  Do property owners have limitations on what they can ask a tenant to do?


You'd have to see the contract for that. According to the articles the school keeps blocking attempts at mediation and is trying to go through the courts. Guessing they have no actual case and are hoping to get a trumpian judge that sides with them.
 
2022-05-19 12:49:17 AM  

Nullav: I just don't get to say this kind of think that often: Good move, church.


aye.

despite being the most godless of infidels, I'm always quite impressed with Justin Welbeck- Archbishop of Canterbury...
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Referring to poverty in the UK in March 2013, Welby criticised UK government changes which cap benefits below inflation.
'As a civilised society, we have a duty to support those among us who are vulnerable and in need. When times are hard, that duty should be felt more than ever, not disappear or diminish. It is essential that we have a welfare system that responds to need and recognises the rising costs of food, fuel and housing. The current benefits system does that, by ensuring that the support struggling families receive rises with inflation. These changes will mean it is children and families who will pay the price for high inflation, rather than the government.'

In a speech at Christmas 2013 Welby said, 'Even in a recovering economy, Christians, the servants of a vulnerable and poor saviour, need to act to serve and love the poor; they need also to challenge the causes of poverty.'
In a speech at Easter 2013 Welby said, "In this country, even as the economy improves there is weeping in broken families, in people ashamed to seek help from food banks, or frightened by debt. Asylum seekers weep with loneliness and missing far away families.'

Referring to poverty in the UK and generally Welby said that 'we should all share concern for the poor and the marginalised, should work to build communities where people act responsibly towards one another, whether we are rich or poor we all have the same dignity.'
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Welby
 
2022-05-19 12:55:41 AM  

shinji3i: FTA: Parents of St. Joseph's students are planning to appear at a Boynton Beach city meeting Tuesday night to ask for support from city leaders.

Ohhh, now they want government to interfere with religion.


Honestly they only really want whatever let's them get their way without having to suffer any consequences and they will give anything to anyone that promises to let them have exactly that right now.
 
2022-05-19 12:59:31 AM  
As a person of faith (albeit a miserable example of one), it blows me away that this isn't the deeply ingrained position of every church of every stripe everywhere.

How someone can claim to adhere to a higher purpose and not want to protect life is... I don't even know what it is. Besides common, sadly.
 
2022-05-19 12:59:48 AM  

Lady J: Serious Post on Serious Thread: Episcopalian.  The second least stupid version of Christianity. Still stupid, but mostly harmless.

don't forget your towel


I never do

/42
 
2022-05-19 1:04:50 AM  

SergeantObvious: As a person of faith (albeit a miserable example of one), it blows me away that this isn't the deeply ingrained position of every church of every stripe everywhere.

How someone can claim to adhere to a higher purpose and not want to protect life is... I don't even know what it is. Besides common, sadly.


us people of no faith have a certain objectivity, and I can assure you that miserable examples of christians hold far less generous and humanitarian views than that.
 
2022-05-19 1:08:35 AM  

Serious Post on Serious Thread: Episcopalian.  The second least stupid version of Christianity. Still stupid, but mostly harmless.


I'll bite. What's the least stupid version?
 
2022-05-19 1:12:30 AM  

Serious Post on Serious Thread: Lady J: Serious Post on Serious Thread: Episcopalian.  The second least stupid version of Christianity. Still stupid, but mostly harmless.

don't forget your towel

I never do

/42


most importantly... don't panic...
 
2022-05-19 1:16:51 AM  

2farknfunny: Serious Post on Serious Thread: Episcopalian.  The second least stupid version of Christianity. Still stupid, but mostly harmless.

I'll bite. What's the least stupid version?


I think Unitarian. Correct me if I'm wrong. I mostly disconnected with my fam for about 10 years over catholic insanity. Looked into Unitarian as possible compromise. But just could never get over the fact it's just such a transparent lie.
 
2022-05-19 1:22:24 AM  

aleister_greynight: "Schools" housed in churches, usually aren't really.


I went to Catholic school for 9 1/2 years. My reality, which may be different from that which you experienced or imagine, was that they provided a much better education than public schools. When I left for social reasons (mostly my evil older sister poisoning everything combined with introverted teenage stuff) and went to public school I was so far ahead that they finally caught up to me my senior year.

Of course, there was the usual religion classes and a big anti-abortion push, but there was no Bible literalism or creationism in science class, they taught evolution straight up.

I get that it's not all like that. I manage several Mormons that homeschool so that they can properly teach their kids the crazy, and the Baptists school nearby teaches all the whackadoodle stuff. Nevertheless, I got a terrific education, and my son did as well when I sent him there because our public schools were awful.

I suppose the point of the anecdote is that not all religious schools are equal. Some are genuine institutions of learning that are simply attached to a church. The best way to tell is to check the accreditation.
 
2022-05-19 1:32:09 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: aleister_greynight: "Schools" housed in churches, usually aren't really.

I went to Catholic school for 9 1/2 years. My reality, which may be different from that which you experienced or imagine, was that they provided a much better education than public schools. When I left for social reasons (mostly my evil older sister poisoning everything combined with introverted teenage stuff) and went to public school I was so far ahead that they finally caught up to me my senior year.

Of course, there was the usual religion classes and a big anti-abortion push, but there was no Bible literalism or creationism in science class, they taught evolution straight up.

I get that it's not all like that. I manage several Mormons that homeschool so that they can properly teach their kids the crazy, and the Baptists school nearby teaches all the whackadoodle stuff. Nevertheless, I got a terrific education, and my son did as well when I sent him there because our public schools were awful.

I suppose the point of the anecdote is that not all religious schools are equal. Some are genuine institutions of learning that are simply attached to a church. The best way to tell is to check the accreditation.


I think you missed my point, or I over simplified it.  I said nothing about religious affiliated schools, I was pointing out that schools housed on church premises typically are the worst of said institution.

I really have nothing against Catholic schools, I went to one for HS and it was pretty much the opposite of the horror stories.
 
2022-05-19 1:50:37 AM  

aleister_greynight: Adolf Oliver Nipples: aleister_greynight: "Schools" housed in churches, usually aren't really.

I went to Catholic school for 9 1/2 years. My reality, which may be different from that which you experienced or imagine, was that they provided a much better education than public schools. When I left for social reasons (mostly my evil older sister poisoning everything combined with introverted teenage stuff) and went to public school I was so far ahead that they finally caught up to me my senior year.

Of course, there was the usual religion classes and a big anti-abortion push, but there was no Bible literalism or creationism in science class, they taught evolution straight up.

I get that it's not all like that. I manage several Mormons that homeschool so that they can properly teach their kids the crazy, and the Baptists school nearby teaches all the whackadoodle stuff. Nevertheless, I got a terrific education, and my son did as well when I sent him there because our public schools were awful.

I suppose the point of the anecdote is that not all religious schools are equal. Some are genuine institutions of learning that are simply attached to a church. The best way to tell is to check the accreditation.

I think you missed my point, or I over simplified it.  I said nothing about religious affiliated schools, I was pointing out that schools housed on church premises typically are the worst of said institution.

I really have nothing against Catholic schools, I went to one for HS and it was pretty much the opposite of the horror stories.


I went to a catholic prep school.  incredible place right out in the countryside in Shropshire, nr Wales.  huge tracts of land (fnar)... acres of woodland, playing field after playing field.
And I got an amazing education there, I directly track my academic success back to that place.
There was prayers mon-thur, 10-15 minutes, but instead of assembly.  longer service on Fri mornings, and catholics (I'm not) took mass... 30-40mins total, no fire or brimstone.  and a 20 second prayer before we sat down at lunch.
... and that was it.  I don't remember religion ever being mentioned, otherwise, apart from RE lessons like you have in any school.

I have no idea how typical that is in this country.
 
2022-05-19 1:56:37 AM  

Lady J: aleister_greynight: Adolf Oliver Nipples: aleister_greynight: "Schools" housed in churches, usually aren't really.

I went to Catholic school for 9 1/2 years. My reality, which may be different from that which you experienced or imagine, was that they provided a much better education than public schools. When I left for social reasons (mostly my evil older sister poisoning everything combined with introverted teenage stuff) and went to public school I was so far ahead that they finally caught up to me my senior year.

Of course, there was the usual religion classes and a big anti-abortion push, but there was no Bible literalism or creationism in science class, they taught evolution straight up.

I get that it's not all like that. I manage several Mormons that homeschool so that they can properly teach their kids the crazy, and the Baptists school nearby teaches all the whackadoodle stuff. Nevertheless, I got a terrific education, and my son did as well when I sent him there because our public schools were awful.

I suppose the point of the anecdote is that not all religious schools are equal. Some are genuine institutions of learning that are simply attached to a church. The best way to tell is to check the accreditation.

I think you missed my point, or I over simplified it.  I said nothing about religious affiliated schools, I was pointing out that schools housed on church premises typically are the worst of said institution.

I really have nothing against Catholic schools, I went to one for HS and it was pretty much the opposite of the horror stories.

I went to a catholic prep school.  incredible place right out in the countryside in Shropshire, nr Wales.  huge tracts of land (fnar)... acres of woodland, playing field after playing field.
And I got an amazing education there, I directly track my academic success back to that place.
There was prayers mon-thur, 10-15 minutes, but instead of assembly.  longer service on Fri mornings, and catholics (I'm not) took mass... 30-40mins total, no fire or brimstone.  and a 20 second prayer before we sat down at lunch.
... and that was it.  I don't remember religion ever being mentioned, otherwise, apart from RE lessons like you have in any school.

I have no idea how typical that is in this country.


Huge Tracts of Land
Youtube GPX-mW4l1rU
 
2022-05-19 2:14:03 AM  

Serious Post on Serious Thread: Lady J: aleister_greynight: Adolf Oliver Nipples: aleister_greynight: "Schools" housed in churches, usually aren't really.

I went to Catholic school for 9 1/2 years. My reality, which may be different from that which you experienced or imagine, was that they provided a much better education than public schools. When I left for social reasons (mostly my evil older sister poisoning everything combined with introverted teenage stuff) and went to public school I was so far ahead that they finally caught up to me my senior year.

Of course, there was the usual religion classes and a big anti-abortion push, but there was no Bible literalism or creationism in science class, they taught evolution straight up.

I get that it's not all like that. I manage several Mormons that homeschool so that they can properly teach their kids the crazy, and the Baptists school nearby teaches all the whackadoodle stuff. Nevertheless, I got a terrific education, and my son did as well when I sent him there because our public schools were awful.

I suppose the point of the anecdote is that not all religious schools are equal. Some are genuine institutions of learning that are simply attached to a church. The best way to tell is to check the accreditation.

I think you missed my point, or I over simplified it.  I said nothing about religious affiliated schools, I was pointing out that schools housed on church premises typically are the worst of said institution.

I really have nothing against Catholic schools, I went to one for HS and it was pretty much the opposite of the horror stories.

I went to a catholic prep school.  incredible place right out in the countryside in Shropshire, nr Wales.  huge tracts of land (fnar)... acres of woodland, playing field after playing field.
And I got an amazing education there, I directly track my academic success back to that place.
There was prayers mon-thur, 10-15 minutes, but instead of assembly.  longer service on Fri mornings, and catholics (I'm not) took mass... 30-40mins total, no fire or brimstone.  and a 20 second prayer before we sat down at lunch.
... and that was it.  I don't remember religion ever being mentioned, otherwise, apart from RE lessons like you have in any school.

I have no idea how typical that is in this country.

[YouTube video: Huge Tracts of Land]


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2022-05-19 3:17:42 AM  
Churches should not be allowed to lease properties for commercial use because they are not business entities.
 
2022-05-19 6:18:40 AM  

aleister_greynight: "Schools" housed in churches, usually aren't really.


False. In situations like this the church does not run the school, they simply rent out the building.
 
2022-05-19 7:45:19 AM  
FTFA: Parents of St. Joseph's students are planning to appear at a Boynton Beach city meeting Tuesday night to ask for support from city leaders.

Yeah, after all the whining about how churches are supposed to be special and therefore exempt from any oversight and/or regulation, NOW they want it to be like any other entity in the country when it comes to legal action. Only when they need it, of course. If I were to try and charge/sue either the school or the church for something they did to my child, I would be getting lots of crap about why they should be exempt. So suck it.

/the entire education system in this country is farked up anyway, so no actual loss here
 
2022-05-19 7:48:37 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: I went to Catholic school for 9 1/2 years. My reality, which may be different from that which you experienced or imagine, was that they provided a much better education than public schools. When I left for social reasons (mostly my evil older sister poisoning everything combined with introverted teenage stuff) and went to public school I was so far ahead that they finally caught up to me my senior year.


I went to Catholic school K-12 and experienced the same thing. This particular school system was run by an order of Marianist sisters and brothers that also ran the local college, so you got a lot of teachers who either had a PhD or were working on their doctorates or who also lectured at the college.

The school as a whole was quite liberal so there was no interference of religion in science class. As an added bonus no class disruptions of any kind, no discipline problems.  It did require you to take a religion class every semester, but they were effective in turning me into an atheist by age 16.

The first year of college was a cakewalk.
 
2022-05-19 9:01:14 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: aleister_greynight: "Schools" housed in churches, usually aren't really.

I went to Catholic school for 9 1/2 years. My reality, which may be different from that which you experienced or imagine, was that they provided a much better education than public schools. When I left for social reasons (mostly my evil older sister poisoning everything combined with introverted teenage stuff) and went to public school I was so far ahead that they finally caught up to me my senior year.

Of course, there was the usual religion classes and a big anti-abortion push, but there was no Bible literalism or creationism in science class, they taught evolution straight up.

I get that it's not all like that. I manage several Mormons that homeschool so that they can properly teach their kids the crazy, and the Baptists school nearby teaches all the whackadoodle stuff. Nevertheless, I got a terrific education, and my son did as well when I sent him there because our public schools were awful.

I suppose the point of the anecdote is that not all religious schools are equal. Some are genuine institutions of learning that are simply attached to a church. The best way to tell is to check the accreditation.


I'm not sure how long ago your experience was, but mine paralleled yours 50 years ago. When I transferred to the public school system, I was far ahead of them in math, science, and geography.
I was, by then, an avowed atheist.
 
2022-05-19 9:53:15 AM  

Lady J: aleister_greynight: Adolf Oliver Nipples: aleister_greynight: "Schools" housed in churches, usually aren't really.

I went to Catholic school for 9 1/2 years. My reality, which may be different from that which you experienced or imagine, was that they provided a much better education than public schools. When I left for social reasons (mostly my evil older sister poisoning everything combined with introverted teenage stuff) and went to public school I was so far ahead that they finally caught up to me my senior year.

Of course, there was the usual religion classes and a big anti-abortion push, but there was no Bible literalism or creationism in science class, they taught evolution straight up.

I get that it's not all like that. I manage several Mormons that homeschool so that they can properly teach their kids the crazy, and the Baptists school nearby teaches all the whackadoodle stuff. Nevertheless, I got a terrific education, and my son did as well when I sent him there because our public schools were awful.

I suppose the point of the anecdote is that not all religious schools are equal. Some are genuine institutions of learning that are simply attached to a church. The best way to tell is to check the accreditation.

I think you missed my point, or I over simplified it.  I said nothing about religious affiliated schools, I was pointing out that schools housed on church premises typically are the worst of said institution.

I really have nothing against Catholic schools, I went to one for HS and it was pretty much the opposite of the horror stories.

I went to a catholic prep school.  incredible place right out in the countryside in Shropshire, nr Wales.  huge tracts of land (fnar)... acres of woodland, playing field after playing field.
And I got an amazing education there, I directly track my academic success back to that place.
There was prayers mon-thur, 10-15 minutes, but instead of assembly.  longer service on Fri mornings, and catholics (I'm not) took mass... 30-40mins total, no fire or brimstone.  and a 20 second prayer before we sat down at lunch.
... and that was it.  I don't remember religion ever being mentioned, otherwise, apart from RE lessons like you have in any school.

I have no idea how typical that is in this country.


Was The Slasher active when you were there?
 
2022-05-19 6:10:33 PM  

Tom Marvolo Bombadil: tintar: honestly I was pleasantly surprised to find the church on the side of the angels, for once.

How do you know that the angels aren't short-staffed and in need of relief from causing new covid deaths?


that is one of their jobs, after all

/I think?
 
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