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2022-05-18 3:43:28 PM  
I have put my seat belt on to move my car 8 feet
In my own driveway
 
2022-05-18 3:48:18 PM  
We could cut car crash deaths in half but it takes minor inconveniences that everone(sic) hates


If wearing a face mask would save your life in a car crash, you'd still get a lot of people who wouldn't wear one -- and they'd biatch about the people who were wearing them.
 
2022-05-18 3:57:53 PM  
Alaska law says you have to have a seat belt on while on a highway.  Where I live, we have one road that is classified as a highway, but that's a very generous classification.  And not wearing one isn't a primary offense, so the cops can't pull you for it without cooking up some other reason to f*ck with you.

Almost no one here wears a seatbelt. Since the speed limit is pretty-much 25 everywhere, we don't have alot of fatal crashes unless someone is completely f*cked up and speeding.

/Half the people I know don't take their ID with them, either.  That one, I don't understand at all.
 
2022-05-18 4:01:34 PM  
I have a 1.5hr commute...I wear a seatbelt..but screwing with my actual speed...uh, no.
 
2022-05-18 4:06:51 PM  
Tfa suggests breathalyzer and seatbelt ignition interlock systems and an automatic speed governor.
 
2022-05-18 4:07:30 PM  
Walking instead of riding?
 
2022-05-18 4:08:28 PM  
When everyone has a breathalyzer in their car; how many people will have a few drinks and just let the car decide if they're too drunk to drive?

Depending on the threshold and individual tolerance, that might be making things worse.
 
2022-05-18 4:09:29 PM  
You could say that about a lot of modern problems.

"Hey we got this problem, it sucks!"

"We could do this, or that, or any of these things."

"NO"
 
2022-05-18 4:09:54 PM  
I look forward to their upcoming revolutionary take on motorcycle helmets.
 
2022-05-18 4:10:44 PM  
I understand the argument, I really do, but the engineer in me absolutely recoils at the thought of adding a single electronic chemical sensor interlock to the ignition such that if it breaks or malfunctions you have to have the car towed. (Yes, there are other sensors in the car, but the car will generally drive to a garage if they're not working.)
 
2022-05-18 4:11:15 PM  

west.la.lawyer: Tfa suggests breathalyzer and seatbelt ignition interlock systems and an automatic speed governor.


And it's farking stupid as hell in reality.
 
2022-05-18 4:11:24 PM  
We had a million plus Covid deaths.  No one cares about ten thousand deaths.
 
2022-05-18 4:11:30 PM  
I had the blow and go...uhh it's a huge distraction because I had to blow into it in a very specific way every 15 minutes while driving a manual, in stop and go traffic.

Sure it prevents drunk driving but promoted distracted driving which is just about as bad.
 
2022-05-18 4:11:31 PM  
No, The Road Gods require their sacrifice!

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2022-05-18 4:11:50 PM  
There's a depressing part of me that goes with "They bought their ticket, let them crash."

But then there's everyone else involved. Can't you die of COVID alone, at home?
 
2022-05-18 4:12:27 PM  
Breathalyzer ignition interlocks. . .how did I know that was there?  And in your state it only costs $2.50 to 3.50 cents a day.  That is less than a cup of Starbucks.  Don't you think that is worth the life of a loved one?

Never had a DUI.  Known others that have.  They get to go have it checked once a month and if there is any evidence of tampering (even if they did nothing to tamper with it)
 
2022-05-18 4:12:47 PM  
Yeah, I'm not installing a farking breathalyzer on my farking car. Not only is it' completely ridiculous, but it's one more farking thing to break, and most likely when you need it the absolute most.
 
2022-05-18 4:13:02 PM  
this country has fetishized the ideal of rugged individualism to the degree that any concept of shared responsibility or individual sacrifice for a greater good, is seen as oppression.
 
2022-05-18 4:13:18 PM  

red230: I look forward to their upcoming revolutionary take on motorcycle helmets.


One of my favorites is bumper stickers that say "Loud pipes save lives" on people not wearing brain buckets.
 
2022-05-18 4:13:41 PM  

severedtoe: this country has fetishized the ideal of rugged individualism to the degree that any concept of shared responsibility or individual sacrifice for a greater good, is seen as oppression.


i lifted that from someone, sorry no citation as i forgot...
 
2022-05-18 4:14:49 PM  
At the 40 mph impact speed, there was minimal intrusion into the driver's space. But at the 50 mph impact speed, there was noticeable deformation of the driver side door opening, dashboard and foot area. At 56 mph, the vehicle interior was significantly compromised, with the dummy's sensors registering severe neck injuries and a likelihood of fractures to the long bones in the lower leg.


Okay, so we're doomed at anything over 40 mph? Because on my way to work the city speed limits are 45 and 50 and when I get on the highway it's 65 with most commuters doing 75.

Maybe we could get the police to focus on the shiatty drivers and ticket them into losing their license? Every day I see people who don't know how to make a turn (left or right) or change lanes properly or pull into traffic - and don't even get me started on merge lanes.
 
2022-05-18 4:15:49 PM  
Comments section hilariously and angrily proves the author's point.
 
2022-05-18 4:16:05 PM  
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2022-05-18 4:17:31 PM  
It infringes on the religious freedom of people who have Jesus as a copilot to do any of these things. Jesus may not feel like his skills are being trusted and take offense.

Also laws banning public drinking on the beach violate my religious convictions because if I get too drunk, Jesus carries me.
 
2022-05-18 4:17:48 PM  

maxheck: red230: I look forward to their upcoming revolutionary take on motorcycle helmets.

One of my favorites is bumper stickers that say "Loud pipes save lives" on people not wearing brain buckets.


You and I see a motorcyclist without a helmet.  Orthopedic surgeons see a supply of ACLs.
 
2022-05-18 4:17:54 PM  
No seatbelt only kills the person not wearing a seatbelt (except for rare cases where a rear passenger hits a front passenger), so let's not worry about that one at all.
Speeding just needs means based penalties such that rich folks pay more so the penalty actually hurts.
DUI needs harsher punishments.  1st DUI = prison and loss of license.  2nd DUI = death penalty.
 
2022-05-18 4:17:56 PM  

Martian_Astronomer: I understand the argument, I really do, but the engineer in me absolutely recoils at the thought of adding a single electronic chemical sensor interlock to the ignition such that if it breaks or malfunctions you have to have the car towed. (Yes, there are other sensors in the car, but the car will generally drive to a garage if they're not working.)


Plus this:

"Once breathalyzer interlock rules are eventually finalized, automakers will have another two years (or more - manufacturers can find lots of ways to delay) to begin integrating the technology into their new vehicles. There won't be any ungainly black boxes hanging from your steering column - your car will test your breath without you even realizing it."

So...some sort of always-on sensor that monitors the air presumably? What if you're a sober driver driving several fall-down drunk buddies home who are exhaling the kind of air that would trigger this thing.  You might get it started, but how about 20 minutes later when they've been out-breathing you 3 to 1.  Or if they know where the sensor is and drunk-decide it'd be hilarious to f*ck with you and exhale directly on it locking the ignition for however long.
 
2022-05-18 4:18:09 PM  
Just get rid of cell phones.
 
2022-05-18 4:18:23 PM  

west.la.lawyer: Tfa suggests breathalyzer and seatbelt ignition interlock systems and an automatic speed governor.


But how would police departments increase revenue?

But I live in the sticks.  The county sheriffs are only making speed traps when they have nothing pressing to do; Which they conveniently post 'speed enforcement zone' warnings.  They actually do their other responsibilities.

/shout out to the county Sheriffs who had to come out last weekend.  Listening to them talk about, and use their training in mental health and coordination with county mental health services was a breath of fresh air.  The comment of 'if we don't get kids help they need now, they won't get any better. We'd rather have a functioning adult as a neighbor' was an 'oh crap, they actually care' moment. When we lived in a different county, the Sheriffs were more or less asshats who didn't know how to deal with kids with issues.
 
2022-05-18 4:18:29 PM  
it's cool how we let the auto industry and its pal Big Oil just require tens of thousands of people to die every year in order for society to function them to make billions of dollars
 
2022-05-18 4:18:38 PM  

Martian_Astronomer: I understand the argument, I really do, but the engineer in me absolutely recoils at the thought of adding a single electronic chemical sensor interlock to the ignition such that if it breaks or malfunctions you have to have the car towed. (Yes, there are other sensors in the car, but the car will generally drive to a garage if they're not working.)


I picture people freezing to death when the sensor malfunctions, or maybe when they are drunk and just need some heat.
 
2022-05-18 4:19:09 PM  
Fatalities rose because people were being straight up idiots on those "empty" roads.  I saw it myself many times.  "Oh, there are few cars out here.  Yay, 100mph for me!!"
 
2022-05-18 4:19:23 PM  
We could just ban cars, as the local militant bicycle activist insists unironically.
 
2022-05-18 4:20:07 PM  
how about just getting around to making autonomous cars a real thing.

we take the human being out of the equation completely and we dont have to worry about human error or dumbassery. We can all go out and have fun and not worry about getting home or killing people or cabs or blah blah blah

no one gets their lives ruined by a drunk driver or DUI.
 
2022-05-18 4:20:15 PM  

severedtoe: this country has fetishized the ideal of rugged individualism to the degree that any concept of shared responsibility or individual sacrifice for a greater good, is seen as oppression.


So when are you installing the breathalyzer in your car? How about the speed governor? The seatbelt ignition lock? Or will you simply not drive drunk or at unreasonable speed and with your seatbelt on? It's not some stupid trope about selfish people, it's farking ridiculous on its face.
 
2022-05-18 4:20:24 PM  
FTFA: "The infrastructure bill's best efforts at improving road safety come down to incentives to redesign dangerous roads, and changes in safety requirements for automakers. Neither one of those can be implemented with any speed."

Republicans refuse to spend enough to even maintain roads, much less upgrade them. Additionally, we need highway workers to actually do the work, and most of them are too busy saving 100 year old bridges that no one bothered to repair before we have dozens of repeats of the Pittsburgh bridge collapse. Meanwhile, car companies that would have to implement those car safety features are all rich enough to buy politicians, doing so is cheaper than doing the right thing, and large corporations are run by amoral sociopaths.

Greed, greed, and long-term effects of greed and negligence. That's why this stuff isn't happening.
 
2022-05-18 4:20:45 PM  

JessieL: When everyone has a breathalyzer in their car; how many people will have a few drinks and just let the car decide if they're too drunk to drive?

Depending on the threshold and individual tolerance, that might be making things worse.


Leave the car running but lock it up so it's ready to go when you're done?
 
2022-05-18 4:21:18 PM  
I'm a non-drinker and I don't speed: I use the cruise control a LOT. So adding a speed governor to my car wouldn't likely be a big change to my life. The nuances of how or it it can be overridden for something like passing lanes or accident avoidance are the question.

Frankly my own take on highway safety is there should be more effective initial driver training to build the good habits early. For example, those monitors the insurance companies have you attach to the wiring harness to measure g forces and speeds in exchange for lower insurance rates.  Driving around with one of those for a month or so can help re-train bad habits out of you, or help you learn good ones initially.

In my fantasy world, driver licenses are revoked for all men between 22 and 30. They do most of the dumb shiat on the roads.
 
2022-05-18 4:21:27 PM  
Both alcohol interlocks and seatbelt interlocks have been trivially subverted for years. You've never seen someone outside a bar get someone else to blow into it? You've never seen someone plug in the seatbelt and then sit on top of it rather than have it go around them?

The speed interlock is interesting. I wonder if it would make California finally admit that the speed limit is way over what is actually posted. I've seen cops biatch out motorists for going the posted speed limit.
 
2022-05-18 4:22:08 PM  

spongeboob: I have put my seat belt on to move my car 8 feet
In my own driveway


Yeah... it's just fully automatic.  When I get into a car, one hand grabs the belt as I start to step in and it clicks at almost exactly the same second my butt hits the seat.  If I'm getting into the car to do something that isn't driving, like replacing a fuse or vacuuming, I end up buckling it out of habit and then having to unbuckle it to reach something.
 
2022-05-18 4:22:40 PM  
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2022-05-18 4:23:16 PM  

kindms: we take the human being out of the equation completely and we dont have to worry about human error or dumbassery.


Especially not the human beings writing the software.
 
2022-05-18 4:23:21 PM  
Oh I could get that waaaay down with an agenda that 'Muricans would really hate:

-No personal trucks, commercial use only.  Don't have a business (or a farm) that requires a pickup? You don't get one.
-No tinted windows or obstructive panels/decals; To the extent that a car is able to, you must have maximum visibility through it to the traffic beyond.
-No motorcycles. Ever.  Sport bikes only on sport tracks only, all waivers signed no insurance allowed.
-No high-performance road vehicles, a maximum speed of 85mph standard.  If you're rich enough to own a supercar, you're rich enough for a track membership, go kill each other there.
-All non-commercial vehicles must fit within a standardized weight and visual profile "box": No superhigh wheelbases, no 5 ton tricked-out hummers, no "dualies", no stretched anything, limited waiver for commercial livery vehicles.

This last one is crucial, as it would ensure that 2-car collisions would be a like-to-like crash, within narrow parameters the masses would be close to each other and the cars could be designed with maximum collision survivability industry-wide.

You could still have all the stupid stuff, spoilers, fins, w/e that car enthusiasts love, as long as the chassis would be colliding at the same level.
 
2022-05-18 4:24:17 PM  
So you start using a breathalyzer in all cars. What about people on other drugs? What about hypoglycemia and so on? Many of the vehicles sold now have lane assist. These system could figure out that you are not fit to drive and make you pull over regardless of the cause. I am sure there are situations where that would be a problem (trying to get to a hospital or something) but any solution is going to have edge cases.

Probably the best bet is to make people afraid to act poorly. When I was a kid, it was strange to see an adult drive without an open beer next to them (but then, I grew up in WI). Once the cops started getting serious about drunk driving, that became a far less common sight.
 
2022-05-18 4:24:27 PM  

Martian_Astronomer: I understand the argument, I really do, but the engineer in me absolutely recoils at the thought of adding a single electronic chemical sensor interlock to the ignition such that if it breaks or malfunctions you have to have the car towed. (Yes, there are other sensors in the car, but the car will generally drive to a garage if they're not working.)


Engineer here also and I share your reservations. Same with seatbelt ignition locks because the risk of debris falling in the female end causing it to malfunction. I am a proponent of seatbelt use and wear mine all the time. My reservations are about creating a single point of failure which has the potential of stranding a driver over something so minor.
 
2022-05-18 4:24:40 PM  
Sounds like America.

"Painful, lethal tragedies every week are just the price we pay for ______ , deal with it, I bet you can't stand all my freedom"
 
2022-05-18 4:24:48 PM  

kindms: how about just getting around to making autonomous cars a real thing.

we take the human being out of the equation completely and we dont have to worry about human error or dumbassery. We can all go out and have fun and not worry about getting home or killing people or cabs or blah blah blah

no one gets their lives ruined by a drunk driver or DUI.


Sorry, Elon Musk is too busy being an asshole right now.
 
2022-05-18 4:26:05 PM  

New Rising Sun: Martian_Astronomer: I understand the argument, I really do, but the engineer in me absolutely recoils at the thought of adding a single electronic chemical sensor interlock to the ignition such that if it breaks or malfunctions you have to have the car towed. (Yes, there are other sensors in the car, but the car will generally drive to a garage if they're not working.)

Plus this:

"Once breathalyzer interlock rules are eventually finalized, automakers will have another two years (or more - manufacturers can find lots of ways to delay) to begin integrating the technology into their new vehicles. There won't be any ungainly black boxes hanging from your steering column - your car will test your breath without you even realizing it."

So...some sort of always-on sensor that monitors the air presumably? What if you're a sober driver driving several fall-down drunk buddies home who are exhaling the kind of air that would trigger this thing.  You might get it started, but how about 20 minutes later when they've been out-breathing you 3 to 1.  Or if they know where the sensor is and drunk-decide it'd be hilarious to f*ck with you and exhale directly on it locking the ignition for however long.


I forgot about this... Yeah, it's something that made it on here some time in the last year, and you brought up the exact problem with that idea. They claim that they have a way to isolate the sensor to just the driver, but I'm sure that's 100% bullshiat.
 
2022-05-18 4:26:25 PM  
Road design also plays a factor in accident rates. Wider roads encourage higher speeds, and we have a habit of building at-grade intersections between 4+-lane highways and pretending that traffic lights are enough.

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Look at that biatch there. Four lanes on the one road, and twelve lanes on the other one, all controlled by a single set of traffic lights. It's even got pedestrian crossing markings just because. It's no wonder that it's ranked as one of the most dangerous intersections in 'murca.
 
2022-05-18 4:26:42 PM  

GoldSpider: We could just ban cars, as the local militant bicycle activist insists unironically.


The idiots who say that have no idea what would be required to make that happen.  We've already screwed the pooch on infrastructural planning many, many decades ago with regard to making the car even secondary transportation for the majority of people, let alone being able to ban them altogether.  It just will not work without changing virtually everything regarding transportation, where and how far people have to commute for work, what people do for work, etc., etc.
 
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