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2022-05-18 2:28:23 PM  
Racism? Or Shatner?

*checks article*

Well, one of them.
 
2022-05-18 2:42:41 PM  
Oh my.  Serling should've let Roddenberry write that one.  He wouldn't have whiffed on it like that.
 
2022-05-18 4:52:51 PM  

bluorangefyre: Oh my.  Serling should've let Roddenberry write that one.  He wouldn't have whiffed on it like that.


Roddenberry signed off on Code Of Honor and Up The Long Ladder. Maybe he should sit this one out.
 
2022-05-18 6:35:34 PM  
I'm guessing Shatner?

/knows it wasn't Shatner
 
2022-05-18 6:39:52 PM  

NeoCortex42: bluorangefyre: Oh my.  Serling should've let Roddenberry write that one.  He wouldn't have whiffed on it like that.

Roddenberry signed off on Code Of Honor and Up The Long Ladder. Maybe he should sit this one out.


HAHAHAHA YOU GET NO VACCINE!
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2022-05-18 6:43:53 PM  
I wonder how much of Serling's PTSD impacted the poor choices evidenced in the script. The concept of combat's lasting effect seem pretty relevant.

I am not attempting to excuse his shallow characterization. It is good that we realize the problems with material we absorbed before we (or at least I was)  were old enough for critical reasoning.
 
2022-05-18 6:48:34 PM  
I slightly related news, Elizabeth Montgomery was dirty hot in a Twilight Zone episode.


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Ok maybe not that related by hey...Elizabeth Montgomery as a brunette.
 
2022-05-18 7:02:43 PM  

dennysgod: I slightly related news, Elizabeth Montgomery was dirty hot in a Twilight Zone episode.


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Ok maybe not that related by hey...Elizabeth Montgomery as a brunette.


Maaaan, that woman was seriously hot.
 
2022-05-18 7:03:45 PM  
Odd, I saw it a few times in syndication in the 1980s.

dennysgod: I slightly related news, Elizabeth Montgomery was dirty hot in a Twilight Zone episode.


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Ok maybe not that related by hey...Elizabeth Montgomery as a brunette.


That was a great episode. Adam and Eve I think?
 
2022-05-18 7:05:11 PM  
"It's certainly worth noting that "The Encounters" re-airing on TV occurred during the presidential campaign of Donald Trump who had, according to the timeline provided by Bright Lights, had only recently called for a ban against Muslims entering the United States (a ban he actually enacted a year later after his election)."

Not everything on the planet was about Trump you absolute freaks lol
 
2022-05-18 7:19:56 PM  

Mimekiller: "It's certainly worth noting that "The Encounters" re-airing on TV occurred during the presidential campaign of Donald Trump who had, according to the timeline provided by Bright Lights, had only recently called for a ban against Muslims entering the United States (a ban he actually enacted a year later after his election)."

Not everything on the planet was about Trump you absolute freaks lol


If Wikipedia is correct, this episode was put back into syndication in 2004, not 2016. Either way, it's one I've never seen and I'm fine keeping it that way. It sounds insanely terrible.
 
2022-05-18 7:32:28 PM  

madgonad: Odd, I saw it a few times in syndication in the 1980s.

dennysgod: I slightly related news, Elizabeth Montgomery was dirty hot in a Twilight Zone episode.


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Ok maybe not that related by hey...Elizabeth Montgomery as a brunette.

That was a great episode. Adam and Eve I think?



Na...this one was called Two, implied post WW3.  The Adam and Eve one was an astronaut that crashed on a strange new world.     Episode was called Probe 7, Over and Out.

When I want to creep myself out I'll watch The After Hours aka..the mannequin one.
 
2022-05-18 7:50:05 PM  
I'm surprised that Takei actually took that direction and yelled "Banzai", that seems oddly out of character for him.  I suppose he was still young enough to be worried about being employable the day after.
 
2022-05-18 7:54:42 PM  

dennysgod: madgonad: Odd, I saw it a few times in syndication in the 1980s.

dennysgod: I slightly related news, Elizabeth Montgomery was dirty hot in a Twilight Zone episode.


[Fark user image 411x380] [View Full Size image _x_]

Ok maybe not that related by hey...Elizabeth Montgomery as a brunette.

That was a great episode. Adam and Eve I think?


Na...this one was called Two, implied post WW3.  The Adam and Eve one was an astronaut that crashed on a strange new world.     Episode was called Probe 7, Over and Out.

When I want to creep myself out I'll watch The After Hours aka..the mannequin one.


Also staring Charles Bronson
And considered one of the best
 
2022-05-18 7:57:44 PM  

dennysgod: I slightly related news, Elizabeth Montgomery was dirty hot in a Twilight Zone episode.


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Ok maybe not that related by hey...Elizabeth Montgomery as a brunette.


She looks fantastic with dark hair.

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2022-05-18 8:24:29 PM  

Bslim: NeoCortex42: bluorangefyre: Oh my.  Serling should've let Roddenberry write that one.  He wouldn't have whiffed on it like that.

Roddenberry signed off on Code Of Honor and Up The Long Ladder. Maybe he should sit this one out.

HAHAHAHA YOU GET NO VACCINE!
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"Muh Freedumbs!"

/wait, wtf?
 
2022-05-18 8:27:07 PM  
 But then, there was the great "Quality of Mercy"
 
2022-05-18 8:46:24 PM  

NeoCortex42: bluorangefyre: Oh my.  Serling should've let Roddenberry write that one.  He wouldn't have whiffed on it like that.

Roddenberry signed off on Code Of Honor and Up The Long Ladder. Maybe he should sit this one out.


He fired the director when he found out what was happening on set, and blacklisted him from future Trek work.  He didn't destroy the episode because the money was spent and it's not like TNG episodes were made for pennies.

I mean, he SHOULD have had the episode destroyed, but you can see why he didn't.
 
2022-05-18 8:47:27 PM  

deadsanta: I'm surprised that Takei actually took that direction and yelled "Banzai", that seems oddly out of character for him.  I suppose he was still young enough to be worried about being employable the day after.


at the time, I assume he wanted the paycheck
 
2022-05-18 8:49:23 PM  
So a white man wrote about how another white man flubs writing by flubbing himself. Seriously, no comment from Takei. Takei should be offered to rewrite the episode.
 
2022-05-18 9:25:46 PM  
From TFA

"The Encounter" was protested immediately upon its release, and CBS ultimately pulled the episode from syndication.

Wait, I thought people only protested things like racism in media now!? You're telling me cancel-culture as people know it has existed since the advent of mass media!? Where's my fainting couch?
 
2022-05-18 9:26:41 PM  

EdgeRunner: Mimekiller: "It's certainly worth noting that "The Encounters" re-airing on TV occurred during the presidential campaign of Donald Trump who had, according to the timeline provided by Bright Lights, had only recently called for a ban against Muslims entering the United States (a ban he actually enacted a year later after his election)."

Not everything on the planet was about Trump you absolute freaks lol

If Wikipedia is correct, this episode was put back into syndication in 2004, not 2016. Either way, it's one I've never seen and I'm fine keeping it that way. It sounds insanely terrible.


It's like 80% towards being a great episode, but the turn Takei's character takes at the end absolutely kills it.
 
2022-05-18 9:40:16 PM  

NeoCortex42: EdgeRunner: Mimekiller: "It's certainly worth noting that "The Encounters" re-airing on TV occurred during the presidential campaign of Donald Trump who had, according to the timeline provided by Bright Lights, had only recently called for a ban against Muslims entering the United States (a ban he actually enacted a year later after his election)."

Not everything on the planet was about Trump you absolute freaks lol

If Wikipedia is correct, this episode was put back into syndication in 2004, not 2016. Either way, it's one I've never seen and I'm fine keeping it that way. It sounds insanely terrible.

It's like 80% towards being a great episode, but the turn Takei's character takes at the end absolutely kills it.


But that's the ending the whole story was structured to build towards. That one just sounds ugly and ill-considered, and very out of place with the rest of the series. It would have been better to leave it as a lost episode.
 
2022-05-18 9:48:06 PM  

ReaverZ: deadsanta: I'm surprised that Takei actually took that direction and yelled "Banzai", that seems oddly out of character for him.  I suppose he was still young enough to be worried about being employable the day after.

at the time, I assume he wanted the paycheck


Pretty much this. Hell, George was in the closet well into this century because he thought it would effect his work. I can't imagine he would have been all "I don't like this portrayal" way back even before he was on Star Trek. not saying he has no principals, but he also tries to read the room
 
2022-05-18 10:14:20 PM  

TDWCom29: ReaverZ: deadsanta: I'm surprised that Takei actually took that direction and yelled "Banzai", that seems oddly out of character for him.  I suppose he was still young enough to be worried about being employable the day after.

at the time, I assume he wanted the paycheck

Pretty much this. Hell, George was in the closet well into this century because he thought it would effect his work. I can't imagine he would have been all "I don't like this portrayal" way back even before he was on Star Trek. not saying he has no principals, but he also tries to read the room


Plus, that episode predated this:
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So it probably helped ease the Trek writers minds that he could believably wield a sword.
 
2022-05-18 10:37:11 PM  

deadsanta: I'm surprised that Takei actually took that direction and yelled "Banzai", that seems oddly out of character for him.  I suppose he was still young enough to be worried about being employable the day after.


He was yelling about trees. The closed caption was a typo.
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2022-05-18 10:42:33 PM  
Oof

Eventually, the Takei character will reveal that his father was one of the construction foremen when the base at Pearl Harbor was built, but that his father was ultimately a secret Japanese spy who instructed the invading planes where best to bomb in 1941


Thus validating the rationale for the internment camps in which Takei spent a year and a half during his early childhood.
 
2022-05-18 11:47:48 PM  
Is it because he blew a guy?
 
2022-05-18 11:50:27 PM  

NeoCortex42: EdgeRunner: Mimekiller: "It's certainly worth noting that "The Encounters" re-airing on TV occurred during the presidential campaign of Donald Trump who had, according to the timeline provided by Bright Lights, had only recently called for a ban against Muslims entering the United States (a ban he actually enacted a year later after his election)."

Not everything on the planet was about Trump you absolute freaks lol

If Wikipedia is correct, this episode was put back into syndication in 2004, not 2016. Either way, it's one I've never seen and I'm fine keeping it that way. It sounds insanely terrible.

It's like 80% towards being a great episode, but the turn Takei's character takes at the end absolutely kills it.


My grandfather was a Pearl Harbor survivor and spent the rest of the war at sea.  If I remember history correctly, his ship would have been alongside the Lexington when it blew up. So a lot of the resentment that was portrayed in the episode was exceptionally authentic.  To his dying day it was something that my grandfather never really let go of.  I think now it's just hard to understand because now it's so distant to so many people.

TDWCom29: From TFA

"The Encounter" was protested immediately upon its release, and CBS ultimately pulled the episode from syndication.

Wait, I thought people only protested things like racism in media now!? You're telling me cancel-culture as people know it has existed since the advent of mass media!? Where's my fainting couch?


IIRC, the reason why it was pulled was due to the portrayal of some Japanese as a fifth column, an idea that was thoroughly discredited at the time the episode was aired but still believed by a number of people.
 
2022-05-18 11:57:59 PM  

Mindlock: TDWCom29: From TFA

"The Encounter" was protested immediately upon its release, and CBS ultimately pulled the episode from syndication.

Wait, I thought people only protested things like racism in media now!? You're telling me cancel-culture as people know it has existed since the advent of mass media!? Where's my fainting couch?

IIRC, the reason why it was pulled was due to the portrayal of some Japanese as a fifth column, an idea that was thoroughly discredited at the time the episode was aired but still believed by a number of people.


So it was pulled because of a discredited racist portrayal that was protested at the time. Totally different than modern day claims of "cancel culture" because.....um, because....how it it different exactly?
 
2022-05-19 12:01:46 AM  

TDWCom29: Mindlock: TDWCom29: From TFA

"The Encounter" was protested immediately upon its release, and CBS ultimately pulled the episode from syndication.

Wait, I thought people only protested things like racism in media now!? You're telling me cancel-culture as people know it has existed since the advent of mass media!? Where's my fainting couch?

IIRC, the reason why it was pulled was due to the portrayal of some Japanese as a fifth column, an idea that was thoroughly discredited at the time the episode was aired but still believed by a number of people.

So it was pulled because of a discredited racist portrayal that was protested at the time. Totally different than modern day claims of "cancel culture" because.....um, because....how it it different exactly?


A discredited racist portrayal still widely believed by a number of people, just to be more accurate
 
2022-05-19 12:35:17 AM  

TDWCom29: ReaverZ: deadsanta: I'm surprised that Takei actually took that direction and yelled "Banzai", that seems oddly out of character for him.  I suppose he was still young enough to be worried about being employable the day after.

at the time, I assume he wanted the paycheck

Pretty much this. Hell, George was in the closet well into this century because he thought it would effect his work. I can't imagine he would have been all "I don't like this portrayal" way back even before he was on Star Trek. not saying he has no principals, but he also tries to read the room


I would be pretty sure he would be to to fark off, racist word for Chinese
 
2022-05-19 12:39:27 AM  

TDWCom29: ReaverZ: deadsanta: I'm surprised that Takei actually took that direction and yelled "Banzai", that seems oddly out of character for him.  I suppose he was still young enough to be worried about being employable the day after.

at the time, I assume he wanted the paycheck

Pretty much this. Hell, George was in the closet well into this century because he thought it would effect his work. I can't imagine he would have been all "I don't like this portrayal" way back even before he was on Star Trek. not saying he has no principals, but he also tries to read the room


also, what would it have done other than lead to some else being cast (probably not Chinese). It kind of goes up there with Nicholas being convinced to stay on Star Trek just so she would been seen on the bridge. The said truth of live is things changes in small steps until they can build to something bigger, usually forced.

I hope someone interviews Takei about this episode.
 
2022-05-19 12:42:59 AM  

ReaverZ: also, what would it have done other than lead to some else being cast (probably not Chinese)


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2022-05-19 1:05:51 AM  

Snapper Carr: ReaverZ: also, what would it have done other than lead to some else being cast (probably not Chinese)

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probably Chinese, my keyboard has a gremlin
 
2022-05-19 2:22:12 AM  

Bslim: dennysgod: I slightly related news, Elizabeth Montgomery was dirty hot in a Twilight Zone episode.


[Fark user image image 411x380]

Ok maybe not that related by hey...Elizabeth Montgomery as a brunette.

Maaaan, that woman was seriously hot.


Then watch Bewitched. She multiplies the hotness and with the couch position you see more upskirts than any other TV show.

/fun show to watch even today
//love the characters
 
2022-05-19 2:35:04 AM  
As an aside for ST actors playing bigoted roles I ran across a 1962 Corman film called The Intruder with Shatner as a character who travels from town to town inciting riots and lynchings during the segregation period. It is brutal and Shatner plays his bigot role to the hilt. I have been meaning to look up reviews from the day if I can find any. I bet they were brutal too.

I has always equated Corman with schlock but he did have his serious films.

And in the end a pretty good movie.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055019/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_5
 
2022-05-19 6:07:59 AM  

TDWCom29: From TFA

"The Encounter" was protested immediately upon its release, and CBS ultimately pulled the episode from syndication.

Wait, I thought people only protested things like racism in media now!? You're telling me cancel-culture as people know it has existed since the advent of mass media!? Where's my fainting couch?


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2022-05-19 8:56:23 AM  

shabu: I wonder how much of Serling's PTSD impacted the poor choices evidenced in the script. The concept of combat's lasting effect seem pretty relevant.

I am not attempting to excuse his shallow characterization. It is good that we realize the problems with material we absorbed before we (or at least I was)  were old enough for critical reasoning.


Or maybe it's because it's 24 minutes to tell a story.  Not sure how much depth you want in the storytelling here.
 
2022-05-19 11:01:06 AM  

Gordon Bennett: TDWCom29: From TFA

"The Encounter" was protested immediately upon its release, and CBS ultimately pulled the episode from syndication.

Wait, I thought people only protested things like racism in media now!? You're telling me cancel-culture as people know it has existed since the advent of mass media!? Where's my fainting couch?

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Nice piece by a guy with a great knowledge of the modern history of comedy here.
 
2022-05-19 11:51:55 AM  

dennysgod: I slightly related news, Elizabeth Montgomery was dirty hot in a Twilight Zone episode.


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Ok maybe not that related by hey...Elizabeth Montgomery as a brunette.


Haunted Elizabeth Montgomery is best Elizabeth Montgomery:

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2022-05-19 12:05:23 PM  

dennysgod: I slightly related news, Elizabeth Montgomery was dirty hot in a Twilight Zone episode.


[Fark user image image 411x380]

Ok maybe not that related by hey...Elizabeth Montgomery as a brunette.


That pout
 
2022-05-19 12:14:42 PM  

saturn badger: As an aside for ST actors playing bigoted roles I ran across a 1962 Corman film called The Intruder with Shatner as a character who travels from town to town inciting riots and lynchings during the segregation period. It is brutal and Shatner plays his bigot role to the hilt. I have been meaning to look up reviews from the day if I can find any. I bet they were brutal too.

I has always equated Corman with schlock but he did have his serious films.

And in the end a pretty good movie.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055019/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_5


From the description Shatner's character sounds like the personification of the Republican party. Riling up idiots against minorities for their own gains and then losing control of that mob
 
2022-05-19 12:24:51 PM  

TDWCom29: saturn badger: As an aside for ST actors playing bigoted roles I ran across a 1962 Corman film called The Intruder with Shatner as a character who travels from town to town inciting riots and lynchings during the segregation period. It is brutal and Shatner plays his bigot role to the hilt. I have been meaning to look up reviews from the day if I can find any. I bet they were brutal too.

I has always equated Corman with schlock but he did have his serious films.

And in the end a pretty good movie.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055019/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_5

From the description Shatner's character sounds like the personification of the Republican party. Riling up idiots against minorities for their own gains and then losing control of that mob


Pretty much. I was surprised with the content circa 1962. Lots of n-words and all kinds of racial stuff.

Now that you mention it it does look like them today. Some things never change.
 
2022-05-19 1:23:32 PM  

Mimekiller: "It's certainly worth noting that "The Encounters" re-airing on TV occurred during the presidential campaign of Donald Trump who had, according to the timeline provided by Bright Lights, had only recently called for a ban against Muslims entering the United States (a ban he actually enacted a year later after his election)."

Not everything on the planet was about Trump you absolute freaks lol


Apparently you haven't asked Trump.

It's a narcissist joke, settle down there little shaver...
 
2022-05-20 2:34:46 AM  
If Shatner had been cast as the white guy, that episode would be a cult classic today. Now that would have been something out of the Twilight Zone.
 
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