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2022-05-18 1:37:42 PM  
Comparing that monstrosity to Frank Lloyd Wright is like comparing a shoebox to a Rodin sculpture. That house is just plain hideous, no matter what neighborhood it's in. It looks like a dentist's office, only uglier.
 
2022-05-18 2:21:47 PM  
That person took up designing houses after getting fired for designing this:

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2022-05-18 2:34:41 PM  
There's a house like that near my wife's ex's mother's place. The area is largely two- and three-story period places, gingerbread, etc.  The house in question is a T1-11 box painted black. Looked like a huge trash bin.  Even in the hot real estate market Portland, OR is experiencing, the owner had to drop the price. It's one of the newest houses in the neighborhood and the cheapest per sf.  The new owner painted it a pale blue.

Frank Lloyd Wright had constant battles with his engineers and often overrode their recommendations, even going so far as to add features after the plans had been approved.  His houses look great on the outside, but tend to leak and break down prematurely.
 
2022-05-18 2:39:15 PM  

Russ1642: That person took up designing houses after getting fired for designing this:

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Those actually deserve some credit, they're amazingly roomy. We gave a friend a bunch of stuff when she had a baby, and after my daughter had outgrown it. I couldn't believe how much shiat I could fit in there.
 
2022-05-18 2:40:18 PM  

natazha: There's a house like that near my wife's ex's mother's place. The area is largely two- and three-story period places, gingerbread, etc.  The house in question is a T1-11 box painted black. Looked like a huge trash bin.  Even in the hot real estate market Portland, OR is experiencing, the owner had to drop the price. It's one of the newest houses in the neighborhood and the cheapest per sf.  The new owner painted it a pale blue.

Frank Lloyd Wright had constant battles with his engineers and often overrode their recommendations, even going so far as to add features after the plans had been approved.  His houses look great on the outside, but tend to leak and break down prematurely.


I watched a documentary about the upkeep required to keep Falling Water around. Awesome house, but holy fark I wouldn't want to pay the bills to maintain that structure.
 
2022-05-18 2:43:25 PM  

leviosaurus: Comparing that monstrosity to Frank Lloyd Wright is like comparing a shoebox to a Rodin sculpture. That house is just plain hideous, no matter what neighborhood it's in. It looks like a dentist's office, only uglier.


Done in one. Came here to say this. Everything he says is fine in general, but the example is a monstrosity. If you put it in a neighbourhood where they all looked like that, they'd still be hideous.
 
2022-05-18 2:50:09 PM  

SumoJeb: natazha: There's a house like that near my wife's ex's mother's place. The area is largely two- and three-story period places, gingerbread, etc.  The house in question is a T1-11 box painted black. Looked like a huge trash bin.  Even in the hot real estate market Portland, OR is experiencing, the owner had to drop the price. It's one of the newest houses in the neighborhood and the cheapest per sf.  The new owner painted it a pale blue.

Frank Lloyd Wright had constant battles with his engineers and often overrode their recommendations, even going so far as to add features after the plans had been approved.  His houses look great on the outside, but tend to leak and break down prematurely.

I watched a documentary about the upkeep required to keep Falling Water around. Awesome house, but holy fark I wouldn't want to pay the bills to maintain that structure.


As his works all seem to land in the same zone:
the form is fab beyond most measures, but function leaves a lot to be desired.

It makes me wonder if there is some equation proof we could derive eventually that shows, most of the time we really do have to choose form OR function, and really can't have 100% both in one.
I would really like to see what an architect with Frank's design eye, but an unwillingness to compromise function for it, could do.My own reality is, without the function, you're just getting conned if you were not strictly buying "art."
 
2022-05-18 2:52:58 PM  

balial: leviosaurus: Comparing that monstrosity to Frank Lloyd Wright is like comparing a shoebox to a Rodin sculpture. That house is just plain hideous, no matter what neighborhood it's in. It looks like a dentist's office, only uglier.

Done in one. Came here to say this. Everything he says is fine in general, but the example is a monstrosity. If you put it in a neighbourhood where they all looked like that, they'd still be hideous.


If a reliable source reported that it was designed by Wright nobody would be making these sorts of comments. They'd all be talking about how well designed it is while also being great art.
 
2022-05-18 2:58:43 PM  

PvtStash: SumoJeb: natazha: There's a house like that near my wife's ex's mother's place. The area is largely two- and three-story period places, gingerbread, etc.  The house in question is a T1-11 box painted black. Looked like a huge trash bin.  Even in the hot real estate market Portland, OR is experiencing, the owner had to drop the price. It's one of the newest houses in the neighborhood and the cheapest per sf.  The new owner painted it a pale blue.

Frank Lloyd Wright had constant battles with his engineers and often overrode their recommendations, even going so far as to add features after the plans had been approved.  His houses look great on the outside, but tend to leak and break down prematurely.

I watched a documentary about the upkeep required to keep Falling Water around. Awesome house, but holy fark I wouldn't want to pay the bills to maintain that structure.

As his works all seem to land in the same zone:
the form is fab beyond most measures, but function leaves a lot to be desired.

It makes me wonder if there is some equation proof we could derive eventually that shows, most of the time we really do have to choose form OR function, and really can't have 100% both in one.
I would really like to see what an architect with Frank's design eye, but an unwillingness to compromise function for it, could do.My own reality is, without the function, you're just getting conned if you were not strictly buying "art."


I stayed at a friend's parent's house that was designed (or maybe it was just inspired?) by FLW. I was sure by the end of the weekend I would be a quadriplegic from a fall on the stairways of death. No railings and wood slab steps with a slick, hard polyurethane finish.
 
2022-05-18 3:01:46 PM  

Russ1642: balial: leviosaurus: Comparing that monstrosity to Frank Lloyd Wright is like comparing a shoebox to a Rodin sculpture. That house is just plain hideous, no matter what neighborhood it's in. It looks like a dentist's office, only uglier.

Done in one. Came here to say this. Everything he says is fine in general, but the example is a monstrosity. If you put it in a neighbourhood where they all looked like that, they'd still be hideous.

If a reliable source reported that it was designed by Wright nobody would be making these sorts of comments. They'd all be talking about how well designed it is while also being great art.


I would. Not everything Wright made looks like FallingWater or the Robie house.
 
2022-05-18 3:09:16 PM  
Frank Lloyd Write once bragged that if you gave him a happily married couple, he could design them a house that would cause a divorce after six month.  Source; tour guide from Falling Waters.
 
2022-05-18 3:09:40 PM  
The thing to do in my neighborhood right now is to tear down 60s brick ranches and tri-levels and build a giant modern box.  It's not so much that they don't fit in because, depending on where you are, these modern boxes are starting to become more numerous than 60s brick homes they are replacing, it's that I think they're ugly and uninspired.  They're "unique" but they all look like the in fashion thing right now that won't be in fashion in 15 years.
 
2022-05-18 3:23:50 PM  
I work in Civil Engineering as a Technologist (one step down from engineer). The problem with architects is they don't understand that they usually don't know shiat about designing things outside walls.

/I admit I don't know shiat about designing inside walls
//I design roads, utilities and grading
///Third slashies for the effort it takes to fix the architect's mess
 
2022-05-18 3:28:31 PM  
It seems like a reasonable argument. Neighborhoods shouldn't be monolithic and static over time, but should be allowed to change along with technology and use cases.

This being Fark, let's focus on ugly cube house.
 
2022-05-18 3:32:55 PM  
These houses weren't designed by architects. At least not architects the way we think of them -- as master artists working on an individual vision. These are McModerns, designed by builder architects, built to the cheapest standard possible, and chosen specifically for their ability to maximize interior square footage (read: $$$$) for a given lot size.

So when you see a weird drab box with poor interior light exposure, don't think of it as "modern architecture." Think of it like a new skin on the same McMansion concept that's been eating historical neighborhoods for decades.
 
2022-05-18 3:48:23 PM  
My neighbor is an architect and, naturally, he built an architectural jerkoff house.  It ugly as sin and the house has somehow damaged the storm drains on two streets (his eyesore sits on a corner lot).

On a day when it hasn't rained in weeks, you hear water rushing loudly through the drains.  I can't count how many times I've seen rusty water coming OUT from the drains.

Captain Douchebag in the video said the FLW house is good architecture.  What a joker.
 
2022-05-18 4:11:41 PM  
Stewart Hicks' vides are awesome.

I have to disagree with a commenter above; I think he didn't get Stewart's point that there are certain elements and design parameters that make a building more or else harmonious with its neighbors. And the new house, while boxy, does try to fit in using those rules.   And I say that having lived in Chicago in a classic Eastlake-two-flat in Humboldt Park, and as one who likes and appreciates a good Craftsman-styled bungalow.

Bungalows follow a scripted formula, they were mass-production tract homes of their day, from standard plans and then it was up to the individual builder to add craft and detail to make their version of it unique and aesthetic. Since they were often built in batches by a single contractor, economies of scale in buying materials and using the same workers gave them a lot of uniformity. Then later builders would copy them and that's how come Ravenswood looks so similar building-to-building.

I like the modern take in this video though; I can appreciate the ideas that went into it, and the fact that the window proportions and brick materials used help tie it to the older neighbors. Between it and the illustrations of the hideous "popup" renovations of older designs, I'd much rather have this modern re-imagining.
 
2022-05-18 4:16:07 PM  

Any Pie Left: Stewart Hicks' vides are awesome.


Came here to say this.


Exploring Chicago's LOST Elevated Walkways
Youtube m2rtmBbT1eE


I liked this one, but there are plenty
 
2022-05-18 5:31:41 PM  

leviosaurus: Russ1642: balial: leviosaurus: Comparing that monstrosity to Frank Lloyd Wright is like comparing a shoebox to a Rodin sculpture. That house is just plain hideous, no matter what neighborhood it's in. It looks like a dentist's office, only uglier.

Done in one. Came here to say this. Everything he says is fine in general, but the example is a monstrosity. If you put it in a neighbourhood where they all looked like that, they'd still be hideous.

If a reliable source reported that it was designed by Wright nobody would be making these sorts of comments. They'd all be talking about how well designed it is while also being great art.

I would. Not everything Wright made looks like FallingWater or the Robie house.


And while a lot of his buildings look great they aren't well designed..
 
2022-05-18 5:40:14 PM  

Rapmaster2000: The thing to do in my neighborhood right now is to tear down 60s brick ranches and tri-levels and build a giant modern box.  It's not so much that they don't fit in because, depending on where you are, these modern boxes are starting to become more numerous than 60s brick homes they are replacing, it's that I think they're ugly and uninspired.  They're "unique" but they all look like the in fashion thing right now that won't be in fashion in 15 years.


How do you think the ranches and tri-levels got there?
 
2022-05-18 6:00:53 PM  
I don't like it.  And it isn't because it is different ... I like different.  And I like modern.  This building is just not attractive.
 
2022-05-18 6:17:16 PM  

Lusiphur: These houses weren't designed by architects. At least not architects the way we think of them -- as master artists working on an individual vision. These are McModerns, designed by builder architects, built to the cheapest standard possible, and chosen specifically for their ability to maximize interior square footage (read: $$$$) for a given lot size.

So when you see a weird drab box with poor interior light exposure, don't think of it as "modern architecture." Think of it like a new skin on the same McMansion concept that's been eating historical neighborhoods for decades.


Historical buildings get protections. If what you are biatching about being torn down down had significance it would still be there
 
2022-05-18 7:01:28 PM  
That house is just plain ugly. No style, just plain cubes and right-angles, no attempt made at any kind of detailing or trim. Even the windows are plain. It looks like some '50s-era small business office on a suburban main drag, right down to the weird openings in the brick on the side that evokes bad styled cinder block. I think the only goal was to squeeze as much square footage out of the structure as the lot and local zoning would allow.

The only reason it "fits" into the neighborhood is the brick used.
 
2022-05-18 8:06:17 PM  

chitownmike: Lusiphur: These houses weren't designed by architects. At least not architects the way we think of them -- as master artists working on an individual vision. These are McModerns, designed by builder architects, built to the cheapest standard possible, and chosen specifically for their ability to maximize interior square footage (read: $$$$) for a given lot size.

So when you see a weird drab box with poor interior light exposure, don't think of it as "modern architecture." Think of it like a new skin on the same McMansion concept that's been eating historical neighborhoods for decades.

Historical buildings get protections. If what you are biatching about being torn down down had significance it would still be there


I don't generally mind older buildings being torn down. I do mind when they get replaced with crap. Even given that many older buildings aren't terribly significant, almost anything is preferable to a McModern. And I say that as someone that loves modern and post-modern architecture across all of its various incarnations.

But the oversized box is awful, in every way. It's an imposition of a formless intruder on the environment that prioritizes sales dollars over everything: aesthetics, livability, character. And it does so as cheaply as humanly possible. And they're miserable places to be inside -- I've looked at a couple before settling on my classic shingle ranch. They just suck.

Also, plenty of historically significant buildings aren't protected, because the act of of getting preserved status is ultimately a political act. If no one petitions to add protections, or the local preservation board rejects the application for any reason (which can be as simple as campaign donations from a developer,) then no protections are offered.
 
2022-05-18 8:17:13 PM  
11 minutes isn't short.
 
2022-05-18 8:18:37 PM  

Rapmaster2000: The thing to do in my neighborhood right now is to tear down 60s brick ranches and tri-levels and build a giant modern box.  It's not so much that they don't fit in because, depending on where you are, these modern boxes are starting to become more numerous than 60s brick homes they are replacing, it's that I think they're ugly and uninspired.  They're "unique" but they all look like the in fashion thing right now that won't be in fashion in 15 years.


Nah, same shiat was going on in the Bellaire area of Houston over 20 years ago.  Buy an old 60's ranch style just to get the big lot, rip everything out and then build a three story McMansion all the way out to the easements.
 
2022-05-18 9:22:29 PM  

chitownmike: Rapmaster2000: The thing to do in my neighborhood right now is to tear down 60s brick ranches and tri-levels and build a giant modern box.  It's not so much that they don't fit in because, depending on where you are, these modern boxes are starting to become more numerous than 60s brick homes they are replacing, it's that I think they're ugly and uninspired.  They're "unique" but they all look like the in fashion thing right now that won't be in fashion in 15 years.

How do you think the ranches and tri-levels got there?


It was a farm.
 
2022-05-18 9:45:11 PM  

chitownmike: leviosaurus: Russ1642: balial: leviosaurus: Comparing that monstrosity to Frank Lloyd Wright is like comparing a shoebox to a Rodin sculpture. That house is just plain hideous, no matter what neighborhood it's in. It looks like a dentist's office, only uglier.

Done in one. Came here to say this. Everything he says is fine in general, but the example is a monstrosity. If you put it in a neighbourhood where they all looked like that, they'd still be hideous.

If a reliable source reported that it was designed by Wright nobody would be making these sorts of comments. They'd all be talking about how well designed it is while also being great art.

I would. Not everything Wright made looks like FallingWater or the Robie house.

And while a lot of his buildings look great they aren't well designed..


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2022-05-18 11:28:31 PM  
Dude is a smarmy douchebag.  There are so many boldfaced gentrification architectural eyesores in Austin and New Orleans...just to name two towns.  Not a force for good.
 
2022-05-19 6:29:15 AM  

Mikey1969: Russ1642: That person took up designing houses after getting fired for designing this:

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Those actually deserve some credit, they're amazingly roomy. We gave a friend a bunch of stuff when she had a baby, and after my daughter had outgrown it. I couldn't believe how much shiat I could fit in there.


Dacias are roomier that Renault's, despite being built on the same platforms, because their buyers don't care about some of the space-wasting designs that are used on Renault to make them look like more upscale
 
2022-05-19 6:31:01 AM  

Russ1642: balial: leviosaurus: Comparing that monstrosity to Frank Lloyd Wright is like comparing a shoebox to a Rodin sculpture. That house is just plain hideous, no matter what neighborhood it's in. It looks like a dentist's office, only uglier.

Done in one. Came here to say this. Everything he says is fine in general, but the example is a monstrosity. If you put it in a neighbourhood where they all looked like that, they'd still be hideous.

If a reliable source reported that it was designed by Wright nobody would be making these sorts of comments. They'd all be talking about how well designed it is while also being great art.


All of the comments so far had been how FLW's houses are great art but crap design
 
2022-05-19 8:23:27 AM  

Cajnik: Any Pie Left: Stewart Hicks' vides are awesome.

Came here to say this.


[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/m2rtmBbT1eE]

I liked this one, but there are plenty


Between him, Ethan Chlebowski for recipes, and Tom Cardy's music, my subscription list is slowly being taken over by red headed guys with mustaches.
Did I miss a big cultural shift in the last few years or what?
 
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