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(NPR)   The case for revolutionizing childcare in America. Or, to put it another way, why you should be paying more taxes to support the kids you don't have   (npr.org) divider line
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2022-05-18 9:13:58 AM  
Because they'll be running things when you retire?
 
2022-05-18 9:14:43 AM  
Helping someone else. Don't be silly subby
 
2022-05-18 9:15:32 AM  
Yes, that's how a society works.
 
2022-05-18 9:16:56 AM  
Under a functional government we would be paying taxes to ensure a functional society. Reaganomics was a failure, it's time to move on.
 
2022-05-18 9:19:38 AM  

DoBeDoBeDo: Yes, that's how a society works.


Exactly. I don't use certain highways or bridges, but they all need to be maintained.
 
2022-05-18 9:24:25 AM  

Combustion: I don't use certain highways or bridges, but they all need to be maintained.


Not that I stand opposed to robust childcare programs, but this comparison is a bit strained. Highways and bridges do exist and need to be collectively maintained. But they don't just appear out of nowhere at the whim of the bridge or highway builder. They're specifically planned and built to meet a very particular need. For that to be the case with children, we'd need to be having conversations in this country regarding family planning mandates that nobody reasonable would ever even consider broaching.
 
2022-05-18 9:25:07 AM  
It takes a country to raise a child.
 
2022-05-18 9:28:05 AM  

Pocket Ninja: Combustion: I don't use certain highways or bridges, but they all need to be maintained.

Not that I stand opposed to robust childcare programs, but this comparison is a bit strained. Highways and bridges do exist and need to be collectively maintained. But they don't just appear out of nowhere at the whim of the bridge or highway builder. They're specifically planned and built to meet a very particular need. For that to be the case with children, we'd need to be having conversations in this country regarding family planning mandates that nobody reasonable would ever even consider broaching.


Yeah, but not maintaining either leads to a bad future for the entire country.
 
2022-05-18 9:32:58 AM  

Combustion: Yeah, but not maintaining either leads to a bad future for the entire country.


Not arguing that point at all. Just suggesting that a more focused analogy might be helpful if there was an argument going on.
 
2022-05-18 9:39:27 AM  
I don't have kids and never will. I'm okay with that.
 
2022-05-18 9:41:23 AM  
What I'm hearing from my esteemed colleagues in this thread so far is that along with community supported child care, we need to make family planning and birth control a priority.

Unfortunately, that would require education that's not out of the 13th century and a concerted effort to reach the poor and uneducated to make them socially conscious and fully participatory in a responsible, compassionate society.

Our Neo-theocratic authoritarian leaders are not gonna like that.
 
2022-05-18 9:43:09 AM  
Someone paid for me, I'm returning the favor.
 
2022-05-18 9:45:13 AM  
Sounds fine... forgive all student loans first.
 
2022-05-18 9:46:19 AM  

jasonvatch: Because they'll be running things when you retire?


Not in any country I hope to retire to.
 
2022-05-18 9:47:08 AM  
Take care that my kids go to is a non-profit. I know exactly how much it costs to actually maintain the facility while paying everyone just above minimum wage. I pay them an extra thousand a month just to help.
 
2022-05-18 9:49:13 AM  
Other countries are paying higher taxes for universal healthcare. What a bunch of suckers, eh?
 
2022-05-18 9:49:16 AM  
Sure, subs, fix it by giving more to the DoD
 
kab
2022-05-18 9:49:33 AM  

jasonvatch: Because they'll be running things when you retire?


What's a retire?
 
2022-05-18 9:49:42 AM  
Fark you subby. It's one of the best things we can do for single mothers and young children, you ghoul! One of the biggest policy victories in my lifetime has been universal childcare, whic I happily voted for last election.
/don't have kids
//will never have kids
///not a prick
 
2022-05-18 9:49:55 AM  
A real Patriot would want to invest in his country.
 
2022-05-18 9:49:57 AM  
Shorter version of subby: FU I got mine.
 
kab
2022-05-18 9:51:16 AM  
Sure.  Let us know where you'll be reducing taxation to offset this.
 
2022-05-18 9:52:02 AM  
"You" should be paying more taxes if you're name is BILLIONAIRE ASSHOLE.

and they all are by definition.
 
2022-05-18 9:52:03 AM  

Pocket Ninja: Combustion: I don't use certain highways or bridges, but they all need to be maintained.

Not that I stand opposed to robust childcare programs, but this comparison is a bit strained. Highways and bridges do exist and need to be collectively maintained. But they don't just appear out of nowhere at the whim of the bridge or highway builder. They're specifically planned and built to meet a very particular need. For that to be the case with children, we'd need to be having conversations in this country regarding family planning mandates that nobody reasonable would ever even consider broaching.


Except that if you want women in the workforce you'd better damn well have childcare and I'm not just talking about K-12.

I've known far too many who literally quit being daycare workers, pre-C19, because they couldn't earn a decent living. Every one of them affects a number of families (slightly variable by state) which in turn affects businesses. So today, when you are pissed because you can't get your item fast enough at a retail establishment, or maybe you can't get that item at all because the manufacturer couldn't run a shift to make it, that might be because the person who would work there couldn't get childcare. That meant they couldn't take that particular job and now you are stuck.

Amazing how much things are co-dependent... how much we all depend on one another... almost like Libertarianism is bullshiat because nobody is truly an island.
 
2022-05-18 9:52:33 AM  
Never realized the tea party dogma of "don't tax the rich and fark everyone else," was still a thing, subby.  Good for you, still believing in a libertarian utopia of self interest.
 
2022-05-18 9:52:34 AM  

Combustion: DoBeDoBeDo: Yes, that's how a society works.

Exactly. I don't use certain highways or bridges, but they all need to be maintained.


Paying for road and bridge maintenance incentivizes us to *not* develop flying cars. You are part of the problem!!!
 
2022-05-18 9:53:00 AM  
homonyms are stupid
 
2022-05-18 9:55:34 AM  
we should also change how education is funded. local property taxes just add to all sorts of ugliness when it comes to hording resources etc
 
2022-05-18 9:55:56 AM  
Because an educated populace is a societal gain unless you're a fascist autocrat.
 
2022-05-18 9:56:03 AM  

jasonvatch: Because they'll be running things when you retire?


Retire? That's for wealthy people and the few remaining who are in good unions.  I'm going to die physically and mentally broken at a job I'm desperate to keep, like a Real American.
 
2022-05-18 9:56:24 AM  
Think of it as protection money. Do you want to live in an educated society, or Afghanistan? Do you want to live in a society where all children are brought up being cared for, or the slums of Brazil? Do you want to live in a society where children are fed and happy, or Cambodia? If you can't think of others, think of yourself.
 
2022-05-18 9:58:04 AM  
This coupled with the overturning Roe v Wade is a great formula for roving gangs of street kids. Then relax gun laws and see where that gets you.
 
2022-05-18 9:58:08 AM  
the GQP is mad about the decline in american birth rates yet they espouse policies that work actively against young families.  in an economy where starting a family is increasingly expensive and time prohibitive, the GQP's policies have been anti family, anti youth and all of their legislative efforts have done nothing but award the rich older generations and punish a younger working class.

then the GQP has the audacity to claim they are the party for american families.  its bullshiat.
 
2022-05-18 9:59:27 AM  
Pay money now instead of possibly paying more money when they become terrible adults seems like a good deal.
 
2022-05-18 9:59:30 AM  
AN EDUCATED POPULACE IS GOOD FOR EVERYONE.
 
2022-05-18 9:59:36 AM  
I used to think America would support something like that, but they chose guns over kids.  Americans don't protect kids, they protect guns.
 
2022-05-18 10:00:46 AM  
Mrs Capricorn and I are DINKs by choice. We'd prefer not to be surrounded by mouth-breathing morons in our dotage. Happy to help support raising kids to be their best selves.
 
2022-05-18 10:00:59 AM  

Ragin' Asian: This coupled with the overturning Roe v Wade is a great formula for roving gangs of street kids. Then relax gun laws and see where that gets you.


Solution: Stock up on ammo and patrol the streets looking for trouble in order to thin their numbers. Remember to vote for me in November.
 
2022-05-18 10:02:39 AM  
Well if it it helps steer them away from Q and the Republican party then it's money well spent.
 
2022-05-18 10:02:47 AM  

snocone: It takes a country to raise a child.


It didn't used to.  Used to be, you could support a middle class family of 4 on one income.
 
2022-05-18 10:03:28 AM  
My co-workers are paying $1400 a month per kid in child care, and that is after a company discount.  I don't understand how anyone can afford children these days.
 
2022-05-18 10:04:26 AM  
How do I ensure that no white kids benefit?
 
2022-05-18 10:04:29 AM  

Pocket Ninja: Combustion: Yeah, but not maintaining either leads to a bad future for the entire country.

Not arguing that point at all. Just suggesting that a more focused analogy might be helpful if there was an argument going on.


Maybe we should be subsitidving OCD treatments.

/I did the spilling misstake on purpose to annoy you.
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2022-05-18 10:04:37 AM  
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2022-05-18 10:04:38 AM  

inglixthemad: if you want women in the workforce


An awful lot of people in this country seem to very much not want that.

/ parse 'an awful lot' however you may
 
2022-05-18 10:05:09 AM  
Who hurt you, subs?
 
2022-05-18 10:05:35 AM  
I'm perfectly cool on paying more taxes to help with child care. It's the Christian thing to do,?IMHO.
 
2022-05-18 10:06:10 AM  

debug: snocone: It takes a country to raise a child.

It didn't used to.  Used to be, you could support a middle class family of 4 on one income.


Most of the people in charge grew up in that era.
 
2022-05-18 10:07:06 AM  
Think about the children!

Unless it personally costs me any money then to hell with them.
 
2022-05-18 10:07:37 AM  

Xythero: My co-workers are paying $1400 a month per kid in child care, and that is after a company discount.  I don't understand how anyone can afford children these days.


Many cannot, and it's women who typically take the hit to their career to stay home for up to five years while everyone struggles on a single income.
 
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