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2022-05-17 9:28:45 PM  
This month, layoffs of employees and contractors for the Netflix fan site Tudum made waves online.

So Netflix runs it's own fan site?  I knew fans of Netflix were a fiction.
 
2022-05-17 9:48:09 PM  
Still #1 in subscribers by a huge margin.

Maybe pay employees and make decent content instead of paying Chappelle $75 million to keep making the same comedy special?
 
2022-05-17 9:58:52 PM  
Probably doesn't help that they keep pushing shiat they canceled.  Seems like every time I take a glance at Netflix, a good third of the shows that are "trending" are shows that Netflix has already cancelled.
 
2022-05-18 2:08:58 AM  
every time I booted my ex husband out of the netflix account and changed the password he would somehow get back in.

I had to ring them up and go through a whole bunch of security stuff.  it's kept him out permanently though.

/and if you hear anything about me still using his mixcloud account, that's a shocking falsehood.
 
2022-05-18 4:24:43 AM  
This tells me everything I need to know about what's going on.  Upper management has likely been taken over by the more wide-eyed libertarian sociopaths.  I know this because whenever you have this scenario--where upper management is packed with people who aren't creative, innovative, or have original ideas--the first thing they do is assume they have to respond to temporary bad news with quick fixes via cost cutting, and they proceed to do so by rearranging departments and laying people off prematurely and perfunctorily.  It's like clockwork, and watching corporate America enough it becomes like a searingly bright flare being lit each time.

That's not to say Netflix is practically dead to rights or anything, just that if I were a substantial shareholder I'd be pushing votes to clear house in the csuite if I want to see organic growth again.
 
2022-05-18 7:04:34 AM  
Hang on guys!  The government predicts another covid wave next fall/winter
 
2022-05-18 7:18:43 AM  
Maybe they should stop pushing movies about men getting pregnant.
 
2022-05-18 7:23:36 AM  
I think Netflix has reached its ceiling. The easy growth is over and they'll be looking at markets with decent download speeds that they haven't fully penetrated yet. But they're not the only ones trimming the fat. Discovery has been ruthless with Warners.

I also think the streaming environment is oversaturated. Netflix won't fail, but I think its days as a reliable growth stock are behind it.
 
2022-05-18 7:28:19 AM  

great_tigers: Maybe they should stop pushing movies about men getting pregnant.


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2022-05-18 7:39:14 AM  
I've still got my Netflix subscription because I'm morbidly curious to see how they screw up Sandman. But after that I see no reason to keep it, especially since they cut out the animation budget.
 
2022-05-18 7:41:34 AM  

great_tigers: Maybe they should stop pushing movies about men getting pregnant.


Because go woke go broke am I right fella ha ha ha
 
2022-05-18 7:43:21 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: I've still got my Netflix subscription because I'm morbidly curious to see how they screw up Sandman. But after that I see no reason to keep it, especially since they cut out the animation budget.


I don't know, I liked how they handled Lucifer, because they remembered that the protagonist was the actual devil, and this was what they should concentrate on
 
2022-05-18 7:52:47 AM  
So this is probably a stupid question...but why was Netflix ever thought to be badass enough to be grouped with Apple, Amazon, and Google? (Facebook is also debatable but at least it had deeper hooks into people's lives.) We made fun of "Radio On Internet". Isn't Netflix just TV On Internet?
 
2022-05-18 7:53:14 AM  

Lady J: every time I booted my ex husband out of the netflix account and changed the password he would somehow get back in.

I had to ring them up and go through a whole bunch of security stuff.  it's kept him out permanently though.

/and if you hear anything about me still using his mixcloud account, that's a shocking falsehood.


Good for you.
 
2022-05-18 7:57:49 AM  

Lady J: every time I booted my ex husband out of the netflix account and changed the password he would somehow get back in.

I had to ring them up and go through a whole bunch of security stuff.  it's kept him out permanently though.

/and if you hear anything about me still using his mixcloud account, that's a shocking falsehood.


You might still want to get to the bottom of how he was able to get in, if you haven't already. It could mean he's in your email or logging your keystrokes. Unless you're still so close to him such that this would fall under harmless tomfoolery.
 
2022-05-18 7:59:17 AM  

padraig: great_tigers: Maybe they should stop pushing movies about men getting pregnant.

Because go woke go broke am I right fella ha ha ha


I was going more with entertainment, but sure if that's where you want to go.
 
2022-05-18 8:06:57 AM  
I think Netflix is close to circling-the-drain territory. They had an easy ride for a while renting other studios' content, but in the long term they can't compete with the IP of Disney and Paramount.

Every time they remove more content, raise prices, or crack down on password sharing, more people will leave.

Disney+ has already amassed 130 million subscribers in just a year and a half. They have the MCU and Star Wars, plus Disney Studios and Pixar. And all for 8 bucks a month for 4K streaming, IMAX, and four simultaneous streams. They're unstoppable.
 
2022-05-18 8:13:58 AM  

aleister_greynight: Probably doesn't help that they keep pushing shiat they canceled.  Seems like every time I take a glance at Netflix, a good third of the shows that are "trending" are shows that Netflix has already cancelled.


Yeah.  It's not like network TV doesn't cancel stuff that people liked 1/2/3 seasons in. It just seems like it happens much more often with Netflix. And then to keep pushing it - it's counterproductive and infuriating to push an original content show as "trending" or "you might like" that I a) already watched, 2) liked, and c) know damn well ends on a season 2 cliffhanger that will never be resolved.
 
2022-05-18 8:18:31 AM  
"Netflix lays off another 150 employees because you're still sharing your password"

I am not!

Nobody was interested... :(
 
2022-05-18 8:37:59 AM  
I've never shared a Netflix password because, aside from Black Mirror and a handful of other shows, they offer nothing I want to watch.  Their originals as a whole aren't amazing and their back catalogue is mediocre at best.

If I ever say "Netflix and chill," the Netflix part involves something on YouTube (there are actually good long form videos on there) or a selection from my vast library of physical media.
Of course the 'chill' part still involves at least 2nd base.
 
2022-05-18 8:50:38 AM  

koder: This tells me everything I need to know about what's going on.  Upper management has likely been taken over by the more wide-eyed libertarian sociopaths.  I know this because whenever you have this scenario--where upper management is packed with people who aren't creative, innovative, or have original ideas--the first thing they do is assume they have to respond to temporary bad news with quick fixes via cost cutting, and they proceed to do so by rearranging departments and laying people off prematurely and perfunctorily.  It's like clockwork, and watching corporate America enough it becomes like a searingly bright flare being lit each time.

That's not to say Netflix is practically dead to rights or anything, just that if I were a substantial shareholder I'd be pushing votes to clear house in the csuite if I want to see organic growth again.


Agreed.

I think there's a fundamental failure at Netflix to understand that they're an entertainment company, not a tech company, and that failure to realize that ~5 years ago has screwed them hard.

Netflix has completely failed to build a back catalog, cutting so many shows short that people won't start them in the future.  They've shoveled in so much stuff to try to make up for it (comedy specials, foreign series, anime, etc.) but nothing covers up the lack of an actual back catalog of comfort shows.

And the problem is, the time to fix that was 4 years ago, not today.  Either by buying a catalog, or letting shows finish naturally.  So now they've got a bunch of culturally illiterate techbros thinking they need a home run, rather than they needed to be racking up doubles and triples all along.
 
2022-05-18 9:07:49 AM  
Look at Netflix's profits from last year. They're doing just fine.

What's not doing fine is Netflix stock. This is all about killing long term profitability for short term stock price gains. Netflix the stock is attempting to kill Netflix the company in your typical capitalistic murder-suicide pact.
 
2022-05-18 9:12:48 AM  
Haha, got you Subby, I don't even have a Netflix account to share

/Though my daughter does
 
2022-05-18 9:30:51 AM  

Yankees Team Gynecologist: Lady J: every time I booted my ex husband out of the netflix account and changed the password he would somehow get back in.

I had to ring them up and go through a whole bunch of security stuff.  it's kept him out permanently though.

/and if you hear anything about me still using his mixcloud account, that's a shocking falsehood.

You might still want to get to the bottom of how he was able to get in, if you haven't already. It could mean he's in your email or logging your keystrokes. Unless you're still so close to him such that this would fall under harmless tomfoolery.


I did wonder briefly if he was getting into my emails, but he's not bright enough to get away with that for any length of time.  certainly not enough to install a keystroke logger.

I've got no idea how it kept happening.  but I think netflix is pretty permeable to be honest.
 
2022-05-18 10:01:25 AM  
As I've said before, maybe Netflix shouldn't be signing hundred million dollar plus deals with producers who don't actually have any good ideas for shows. They should be asking Ryan Murphy for their $300 million back.
 
2022-05-18 10:56:46 AM  

padraig: great_tigers: Maybe they should stop pushing movies about men getting pregnant.

Because go woke go broke am I right fella ha ha ha


Those movies are rarely woke. Just like the "oh look, he's wearing a dress haw haw" genre of comedy
 
2022-05-18 11:06:14 AM  

Yankees Team Gynecologist: So this is probably a stupid question...but why was Netflix ever thought to be badass enough to be grouped with Apple, Amazon, and Google? (Facebook is also debatable but at least it had deeper hooks into people's lives.) We made fun of "Radio On Internet". Isn't Netflix just TV On Internet?


Long long time ago, when I heard about DVDs by mail. I thought it was impossible. But they did it. That was when blockbuster was charging $4-$5 a rental and they charged $10 per month.

When they went to streaming, I thought it would be stupid. Like who wants to watch crappy streams instead of blu-ray. I was wrong.

When they started making their own shows, I thought that would never work. It worked, I guess for a while.

Problem is streaming killed DVD by mail. Streaming isn't a competitive advantage because they just amazon servers and technology which anyone can use. Other studios have better IP and experience in making shows. I doubt Netflix is agile enough to completely innovate again.
 
2022-05-18 11:36:58 AM  

Lady J: Yankees Team Gynecologist: Lady J: every time I booted my ex husband out of the netflix account and changed the password he would somehow get back in.

I had to ring them up and go through a whole bunch of security stuff.  it's kept him out permanently though.

/and if you hear anything about me still using his mixcloud account, that's a shocking falsehood.

You might still want to get to the bottom of how he was able to get in, if you haven't already. It could mean he's in your email or logging your keystrokes. Unless you're still so close to him such that this would fall under harmless tomfoolery.

I did wonder briefly if he was getting into my emails, but he's not bright enough to get away with that for any length of time.  certainly not enough to install a keystroke logger.

I've got no idea how it kept happening.  but I think netflix is pretty permeable to be honest.


Sounds like you should close your account, then
 
2022-05-18 12:01:16 PM  

Yankees Team Gynecologist: So this is probably a stupid question...but why was Netflix ever thought to be badass enough to be grouped with Apple, Amazon, and Google? (Facebook is also debatable but at least it had deeper hooks into people's lives.) We made fun of "Radio On Internet". Isn't Netflix just TV On Internet?


Because at the time, Netflix was well ahead of everyone else. They may not have been "first" in terms of pay-for-streaming content, but they were the first to put actual money and effort and time into building it. Most studios and production houses didn't have their own setup, and viewed "The Internet" as more of a pirate wasteland than anything useful, so they were more than willing to give Netflix great terms for hosting their content. (Because, hey, at least someone on the Internet was paying for it.)

Netflix became so big and influential that, at one point, they by themselves accounted for almost 20% of *GLOBAL* Internet traffic, and almost a third of US-only usage. They were so big that the main reason the words "Net Neutrality" became more than a niche concept was because the major ISPs starting throttling or charging extra for Netflix connections. Netflix ended up paying a bunch of ISPs to, essentially (ie. I know it's slightly more complicated, I'm simplifying here), do direct connections between their equipment racks in major data centers, just to increase bandwidth and reduce latency.

So, yes, they were just as big and badass as the others mentioned. For a while, at least. And then the content providers finally realized how much money they were leaving on the table by not offering Netflix's services directly, which begat Hulu, which begat a number of others, which then lead to lots of content being yanked off of Netflix. (And hence why they started buying foreign and independent stuff, and starting their own production studio.) At that point, Disney stepped in, bought the company behind MLB.tv (which, oddly enough for baseball's "stuck-in-the-past" default, was WAY ahead of most other non-Netflix solutions, both in experience and the technology itself), and immediately stomped over everyone else.
 
2022-05-18 12:38:02 PM  
What this article fails to mention was that a lot of those 150 were on animated productions. There were some execs -- but as I understand it, over half were ordinary folks (designers, story, PAs, etc) on a few new shows. Two things are raising eyebrows in the animation community: one, that they seem to be targeting shows helmed by POC showrunners (Ava DuVarnay's adaptation of Wings of Fire was the big casualty in this round), and two, this memo:

Those employees who stay on will be subject to the new Netflix corporate culture memo sent out last week, advising workers to "spend our members' money wisely" and introducing a new section called "Artistic Expression" which, following the walkouts and employee protests sparked by comedian Dave Chapelle's anti-LGBTQ jokes in The Closer, asserts that "Netflix offers a diversity of stories, even if we find some titles counter to our own personal values" and that unwillingness to work on "titles you perceive to be harmful" means "Netflix may not be the best place for you."

/Hmmm.
//HMMMMM.
 
2022-05-18 1:47:12 PM  

Sairobi: Those employees who stay on will be subject to the new Netflix corporate culture memo sent out last week, advising workers to "spend our members' money wisely" and introducing a new section called "Artistic Expression" which, following the walkouts and employee protests sparked by comedian Dave Chapelle's anti-LGBTQ jokes in The Closer, asserts that "Netflix offers a diversity of stories, even if we find some titles counter to our own personal values" and that unwillingness to work on "titles you perceive to be harmful" means "Netflix may not be the best place for you."


O.O

There are two ways to interpret this:
a) The standard corporate speak way of "You'll do what we tell you when we tell you, and it doesn't matter what else you're working on, because you're just a lowly peon"
b) Or the weasel PR-speak way of "Why, yes, we do realize that releasing a series based on "Life in the KKK" might be controversial for some, but look, two of the writers [that we forced onto the project under threat of termination] are black, so it's done with respect."
 
2022-05-18 3:33:04 PM  

ThighsofGlory: Lady J: Yankees Team Gynecologist: Lady J: every time I booted my ex husband out of the netflix account and changed the password he would somehow get back in.

I had to ring them up and go through a whole bunch of security stuff.  it's kept him out permanently though.

/and if you hear anything about me still using his mixcloud account, that's a shocking falsehood.

You might still want to get to the bottom of how he was able to get in, if you haven't already. It could mean he's in your email or logging your keystrokes. Unless you're still so close to him such that this would fall under harmless tomfoolery.

I did wonder briefly if he was getting into my emails, but he's not bright enough to get away with that for any length of time.  certainly not enough to install a keystroke logger.

I've got no idea how it kept happening.  but I think netflix is pretty permeable to be honest.

Sounds like you should close your account, then


I'll take it under advisement.
 
2022-05-18 4:42:52 PM  

Sairobi: What this article fails to mention was that a lot of those 150 were on animated productions. There were some execs -- but as I understand it, over half were ordinary folks (designers, story, PAs, etc) on a few new shows. Two things are raising eyebrows in the animation community: one, that they seem to be targeting shows helmed by POC showrunners (Ava DuVarnay's adaptation of Wings of Fire was the big casualty in this round), and two, this memo:

Those employees who stay on will be subject to the new Netflix corporate culture memo sent out last week, advising workers to "spend our members' money wisely" and introducing a new section called "Artistic Expression" which, following the walkouts and employee protests sparked by comedian Dave Chapelle's anti-LGBTQ jokes in The Closer, asserts that "Netflix offers a diversity of stories, even if we find some titles counter to our own personal values" and that unwillingness to work on "titles you perceive to be harmful" means "Netflix may not be the best place for you."

/Hmmm.
//HMMMMM.


Here is the full text:

Artistic Expression
Entertaining the world is an amazing opportunity and also a challenge because viewers have very different tastes and points of view. So we offer a wide variety of TV shows and movies, some of which can be provocative. To help members make informed choices about what to watch, we offer ratings, content warnings and easy to use parental controls.
Not everyone will like-or agree with-everything on our service. While every title is different, we approach them based on the same set of principles: we support the artistic expression of the creators we choose to work with; we program for a diversity of audiences and tastes; and we let viewers decide what's appropriate for them, versus having Netflix censor specific artists or voices.
As employees we support the principle that Netflix offers a diversity of stories, even if we find some titles counter to our own personal values. Depending on your role, you may need to work on titles you perceive to be harmful. If you'd find it hard to support our content breadth, Netflix may not be the best place for you.


Hardly unreasonable
 
2022-05-19 11:10:32 AM  

Lady J: ThighsofGlory: Lady J: Yankees Team Gynecologist: Lady J: every time I booted my ex husband out of the netflix account and changed the password he would somehow get back in.

I had to ring them up and go through a whole bunch of security stuff.  it's kept him out permanently though.

/and if you hear anything about me still using his mixcloud account, that's a shocking falsehood.

You might still want to get to the bottom of how he was able to get in, if you haven't already. It could mean he's in your email or logging your keystrokes. Unless you're still so close to him such that this would fall under harmless tomfoolery.

I did wonder briefly if he was getting into my emails, but he's not bright enough to get away with that for any length of time.  certainly not enough to install a keystroke logger.

I've got no idea how it kept happening.  but I think netflix is pretty permeable to be honest.

Sounds like you should close your account, then

I'll take it under advisement.


Sure. Let him win.
 
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