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(Guardian)   A collection of moronic questions mid-level managers have to deal with when the decision higher up was to bring people back to the office. Yes, you have to shower. No, you shouldn't microwave fish. You know this, why are you even asking?   (theguardian.com) divider line
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2022-05-17 11:14:56 AM  
I didn't see "Why the fark are we back in the office (if we can work from home) while a pandemic is still raging?

/Typing this from my office hot desk
//Masked, Vaxxed, and Boosted
///Threes
 
2022-05-17 11:26:48 AM  
A lot of us are hot-desking for the first time in our working lives, without a desk, chair, computer or pot plant to call our own.

I lived in the UK for years and this term still makes me giggle like a 14-year-old.
 
2022-05-17 11:30:22 AM  
"If you have them, have them quick and have them late. Instead of having it at 9 o'clock where it can go on until 12, have it at 11.30, because everyone gets hungry at 12.30. Three-hour meetings are useless. Reach your goddamn decision and don't have game-playing."

No, everyone gets hungry but the boss decides that since everyone's calendar is still free that you should charge on through.  Scheduling too close to lunch is how they steal lunch from you.  Schedule shiatty meeting early and then bookend them with something else.
 
2022-05-17 11:34:37 AM  
jokes on them. I never left the office
 
2022-05-17 11:45:23 AM  

LucklessWonder: I didn't see "Why the fark are we back in the office (if we can work from home) while a pandemic is still raging?

/Typing this from my office hot desk
//Masked, Vaxxed, and Boosted
///Threes


Will no one think of the commercial real estate investors?
 
2022-05-17 11:49:28 AM  
The company I work for got so brave that they held a manager's meeting. In Florida.

22 covid within 3 days.
 
2022-05-17 11:52:17 AM  

Fissile: Will no one think of the commercial real estate investors


That sounds less like the business's problem, and more like the property owner's problem
 
2022-05-17 11:56:52 AM  
What about just microwaving the mid-level manager?
 
2022-05-17 11:58:53 AM  
 
2022-05-17 12:01:47 PM  
"If you have them, have them quick and have them late."

Wrong, wrong, wrong. NEVER set up meetings for end of the day, especially on Fridays. People feel like since they have nothing scheduled afterwards then it's just peachy keen and dandy to run long. My manager schedules a weekly 1-1/2 hour roundtable meeting for our team for 3 PM on Fridays! It's one of the few times she has available. When we were in the office it was not unusual for the meeting to spiral out of control and run past 4:30, sometime until 5:30. She couldn't control it and let people bring in new topics or it would turn into full on strategy sessions instead of just going over existing items.

Since WFH she's even busier than usual and wouldn't always be able to make it so I was given the role of meeting organizer. I set the schedule of items, explicitly telling everyone to let me know about new items before noon that day. If they weren't provided to me by then they were not going to be discussed. We'd discuss old items, new items and, if there was an urgent matter that just came up we'd talk about that too. I'd cut off discussions that should be separate meetings. I regularly wrapped up the roundtable before 4. Unless the manager joined. She's single and only has cats waiting for her so has no problem stretching things out.
 
2022-05-17 12:04:12 PM  
"That's no fun. Is it at least OK to walk around the office while I'm on the phone? I want to hit my 10,000 steps."

I get up and do laps, it keeps me sane and exercise is good for you.  At lunch I usually go for an outside walk.  I can usually hit 10K steps in a day I'm in the office.  I'm also salaried so I'm gonna be over 40 hours anyway so kindly Fark off.
I get more steps in the office than I do when I work from home.  YMMV and all...
 
2022-05-17 12:09:28 PM  

Slypork: "If you have them, have them quick and have them late."

Wrong, wrong, wrong. NEVER set up meetings for end of the day, especially on Fridays. People feel like since they have nothing scheduled afterwards then it's just peachy keen and dandy to run long. My manager schedules a weekly 1-1/2 hour roundtable meeting for our team for 3 PM on Fridays! It's one of the few times she has available. When we were in the office it was not unusual for the meeting to spiral out of control and run past 4:30, sometime until 5:30. She couldn't control it and let people bring in new topics or it would turn into full on strategy sessions instead of just going over existing items.

Since WFH she's even busier than usual and wouldn't always be able to make it so I was given the role of meeting organizer. I set the schedule of items, explicitly telling everyone to let me know about new items before noon that day. If they weren't provided to me by then they were not going to be discussed. We'd discuss old items, new items and, if there was an urgent matter that just came up we'd talk about that too. I'd cut off discussions that should be separate meetings. I regularly wrapped up the roundtable before 4. Unless the manager joined. She's single and only has cats waiting for her so has no problem stretching things out.


My company does "Summer Hours" May through August, which really just means you're not allowed to schedule meetings on Friday afternoon so people can either take a half-day or work ahead and leave early Friday. Even if you don't plan to take off it is nice to know nobody's going to try to have an obnoxious meeting at the very end of the week.
 
2022-05-17 12:22:58 PM  
Left him at a hotel near the mid-south offices.
He worked in distribution, regional vice-president.
 
2022-05-17 12:25:32 PM  
Oh the poor middle managers! This must be a huge burden on top of all the....what do they do exactly?
 
2022-05-17 12:35:47 PM  
then I think it would be worth saying something, as long as they are your junior," suggests etiquette expert Jo Bryant. "I don't think you can start telling your boss they smell - it's not going to go well."

oh fark off with that bs. If you are that scared of your boss it's time to find a different job.
Also, don't consider peers to be subordinate.
 
2022-05-17 1:17:37 PM  
I drtfa and I don't care enough to find out so I'll just let my imagination run wild on wtf "hot desking" is.
 
2022-05-17 1:17:45 PM  

SumoJeb: then I think it would be worth saying something, as long as they are your junior," suggests etiquette expert Jo Bryant. "I don't think you can start telling your boss they smell - it's not going to go well."

oh fark off with that bs. If you are that scared of your boss it's time to find a different job.
Also, don't consider peers to be subordinate.


As I'm fond of telling my boss, it's not me locked up in here with you, it's you locked up in here with me.
 
2022-05-17 1:31:59 PM  

Everything is Awful: I drtfa and I don't care enough to find out so I'll just let my imagination run wild on wtf "hot desking" is.


I'm not an expert, but from what I have picked up hot desking is where you allow other people to use your desk when you aren't around.  While you don't need to see it happening, I think an important element of hot desking is knowing that someone else is using your desk.   Some people like to watch their desk being used, some people like large physically gifted folks to use their desk so the chair ends up all stretched out, and real sickos like to wait until the hot desker leaves so that they can sit in the warm chair.

/seriously, the only thing worse than sitting in a warm chair is sitting on a warm toilet seat
 
2022-05-17 1:46:11 PM  
One of the first things I brought home from the office was my chair (quietly replaced with a chair from an empty cube). My kitchen table chairs were never meant for 8+ hours of sitting.
 
2022-05-17 2:01:04 PM  

Everything is Awful: I drtfa and I don't care enough to find out so I'll just let my imagination run wild on wtf "hot desking" is.


It's "hoteling."

You know, "flex desks"

// Bingo!
 
2022-05-17 2:09:55 PM  

RogermcAllen: Everything is Awful: I drtfa and I don't care enough to find out so I'll just let my imagination run wild on wtf "hot desking" is.

I'm not an expert, but from what I have picked up hot desking is where you allow other people to use your desk when you aren't around.  While you don't need to see it happening, I think an important element of hot desking is knowing that someone else is using your desk.   Some people like to watch their desk being used, some people like large physically gifted folks to use their desk so the chair ends up all stretched out, and real sickos like to wait until the hot desker leaves so that they can sit in the warm chair.

/seriously, the only thing worse than sitting in a warm chair is sitting on a warm toilet seat


Well, I was also supposed to be able to sit in someone else's desk whenever I wanted. Haven't been able to seal the deal on that, but maybe this will be the year!
 
2022-05-17 2:40:14 PM  

RogermcAllen: Everything is Awful: I drtfa and I don't care enough to find out so I'll just let my imagination run wild on wtf "hot desking" is.

I'm not an expert, but from what I have picked up hot desking is where you allow other people to use your desk when you aren't around.  While you don't need to see it happening, I think an important element of hot desking is knowing that someone else is using your desk.   Some people like to watch their desk being used, some people like large physically gifted folks to use their desk so the chair ends up all stretched out, and real sickos like to wait until the hot desker leaves so that they can sit in the warm chair.

/seriously, the only thing worse than sitting in a warm chair is sitting on a warm toilet seat


Wait until you find out about hot wife'ing.
 
2022-05-17 3:02:03 PM  

Lish: Slypork: "If you have them, have them quick and have them late."

Wrong, wrong, wrong. NEVER set up meetings for end of the day, especially on Fridays. People feel like since they have nothing scheduled afterwards then it's just peachy keen and dandy to run long. My manager schedules a weekly 1-1/2 hour roundtable meeting for our team for 3 PM on Fridays! It's one of the few times she has available. When we were in the office it was not unusual for the meeting to spiral out of control and run past 4:30, sometime until 5:30. She couldn't control it and let people bring in new topics or it would turn into full on strategy sessions instead of just going over existing items.

Since WFH she's even busier than usual and wouldn't always be able to make it so I was given the role of meeting organizer. I set the schedule of items, explicitly telling everyone to let me know about new items before noon that day. If they weren't provided to me by then they were not going to be discussed. We'd discuss old items, new items and, if there was an urgent matter that just came up we'd talk about that too. I'd cut off discussions that should be separate meetings. I regularly wrapped up the roundtable before 4. Unless the manager joined. She's single and only has cats waiting for her so has no problem stretching things out.

My company does "Summer Hours" May through August, which really just means you're not allowed to schedule meetings on Friday afternoon so people can either take a half-day or work ahead and leave early Friday. Even if you don't plan to take off it is nice to know nobody's going to try to have an obnoxious meeting at the very end of the week.


My company does summer hours, and 'No meetings for the last four hours of the week'. Which means that Friday meetings are forbidden May through August. It's amazing.

/My favorite back to office question was "Can we wear formal business shorts?" on an all company meeting. Multiple people were angry that they had to put pants back on after two years. The CEO managed to answer the question with a straight face.
 
2022-05-17 4:14:34 PM  
We don't want you back in the office either.
 
2022-05-17 5:58:10 PM  

RogermcAllen: "If you have them, have them quick and have them late. Instead of having it at 9 o'clock where it can go on until 12, have it at 11.30, because everyone gets hungry at 12.30. Three-hour meetings are useless. Reach your goddamn decision and don't have game-playing."

No, everyone gets hungry but the boss decides that since everyone's calendar is still free that you should charge on through.  Scheduling too close to lunch is how they steal lunch from you.  Schedule shiatty meeting early and then bookend them with something else.


I had the opposite. I was the team lead and we used to have a weekly catch up. No matter what I did it would always, always overrun. They would repeat each other and rehash what was discussed, drawing our 30 minute meeting out to sometimes over an hour.

So I rescheduled it to end at their lunch time. From then the meetings would always, always end after 30 minutes.
 
2022-05-17 8:16:46 PM  

Karma Chameleon: Oh the poor middle managers! This must be a huge burden on top of all the....what do they do exactly?


They have people skills!  They deal with the goddam customers!
 
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