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2022-05-17 9:06:52 AM  
A close friend was in the music biz for 10+ years and moved in very high levels. He told me the polite way to say you dont like someone's music is to say "It doesn't speak to me" because it says nothing about someone else's taste, only your own.

Kendrick Lamar's music does not speak to me.
 
2022-05-17 9:12:02 AM  

TelemonianAjax: A close friend was in the music biz for 10+ years and moved in very high levels. He told me the polite way to say you dont like someone's music is to say "It doesn't speak to me" because it says nothing about someone else's taste, only your own.

Kendrick Lamar's music does not speak to me.


Maybe. I guess it depends on the tone. Because "it doesn't speak to me" can very easily be interpreted as actually meaning something along the lines of, "You're not saying anything I find even remotely interesting and I find everything about you dull, predictable, and utterly forgettable."
 
2022-05-17 9:37:11 AM  

Pocket Ninja: TelemonianAjax: A close friend was in the music biz for 10+ years and moved in very high levels. He told me the polite way to say you dont like someone's music is to say "It doesn't speak to me" because it says nothing about someone else's taste, only your own.

Kendrick Lamar's music does not speak to me.

Maybe. I guess it depends on the tone. Because "it doesn't speak to me" can very easily be interpreted as actually meaning something along the lines of, "You're not saying anything I find even remotely interesting and I find everything about you dull, predictable, and utterly forgettable."


That still maintains all the opinions inside the speaker and doesnt say anything about the art itself, and avoids saying anything directly about the taste of whoever you're speaking to. All in all, I find it to be an exquisitely balanced phrase. Right up there with "Wouldnt the world be boring if we were all the same?" - which can also be used in different tones to convey thi gs thatvwould be rude to state outright.
 
2022-05-17 10:09:43 AM  

TelemonianAjax: Pocket Ninja: TelemonianAjax: A close friend was in the music biz for 10+ years and moved in very high levels. He told me the polite way to say you dont like someone's music is to say "It doesn't speak to me" because it says nothing about someone else's taste, only your own.

Kendrick Lamar's music does not speak to me.

Maybe. I guess it depends on the tone. Because "it doesn't speak to me" can very easily be interpreted as actually meaning something along the lines of, "You're not saying anything I find even remotely interesting and I find everything about you dull, predictable, and utterly forgettable."

That still maintains all the opinions inside the speaker and doesnt say anything about the art itself, and avoids saying anything directly about the taste of whoever you're speaking to. All in all, I find it to be an exquisitely balanced phrase. Right up there with "Wouldnt the world be boring if we were all the same?" - which can also be used in different tones to convey thi gs thatvwould be rude to state outright.


I'm still involved in music at moderate levels, and it's been my experience that you never say anything that can be regarded as negative, because every conversation is a marketing conversation except with your close friends. The lesson here being, you don't sh*t on your coworkers. Lie if you have to - so what? In our group we don't have an agreed-on phrase but I often go with I can sense the power in it or something like that. It's not so hard if your heart is in the right place.
 
2022-05-17 10:12:17 AM  
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2022-05-17 11:04:18 AM  
His new album is amazing, including that song. How long have we waited for a trans empowering hip hop song? Is it everything everyone wants it to be? No. But that's kind of a theme of the album.
 
2022-05-17 11:16:20 AM  
Oh shiat, if the well known hip-hop/rap haven known as Fark says it's not good it must not be!
 
2022-05-17 11:24:04 AM  
I taught my one and only college course at New York University: Kendrick Lamar and 21st Century Hip-Hop in Cultural Context
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2022-05-17 11:25:09 AM  
YMMV

IMO there's some really good stuff on this


Kendrick Lamar - Mother I Sober ft. Beth Gibbons of Portishead (Official Audio)
Youtube Vo89NfFYKKI


Dude's got something to say which sets him apart from 99% of what passes for music these days.
 
2022-05-17 11:32:07 AM  

Pocket Ninja: TelemonianAjax: A close friend was in the music biz for 10+ years and moved in very high levels. He told me the polite way to say you dont like someone's music is to say "It doesn't speak to me" because it says nothing about someone else's taste, only your own.

Kendrick Lamar's music does not speak to me.

Maybe. I guess it depends on the tone. Because "it doesn't speak to me" can very easily be interpreted as actually meaning something along the lines of, "You're not saying anything I find even remotely interesting and I find everything about you dull, predictable, and utterly forgettable."



If that's the first thing that comes to mind, I think that says more about you than the other guy.
 
2022-05-17 11:35:53 AM  

Stephen_Falken: TelemonianAjax: Pocket Ninja: TelemonianAjax: A close friend was in the music biz for 10+ years and moved in very high levels. He told me the polite way to say you dont like someone's music is to say "It doesn't speak to me" because it says nothing about someone else's taste, only your own.

Kendrick Lamar's music does not speak to me.

Maybe. I guess it depends on the tone. Because "it doesn't speak to me" can very easily be interpreted as actually meaning something along the lines of, "You're not saying anything I find even remotely interesting and I find everything about you dull, predictable, and utterly forgettable."

That still maintains all the opinions inside the speaker and doesnt say anything about the art itself, and avoids saying anything directly about the taste of whoever you're speaking to. All in all, I find it to be an exquisitely balanced phrase. Right up there with "Wouldnt the world be boring if we were all the same?" - which can also be used in different tones to convey thi gs thatvwould be rude to state outright.

I'm still involved in music at moderate levels, and it's been my experience that you never say anything that can be regarded as negative, because every conversation is a marketing conversation except with your close friends. The lesson here being, you don't sh*t on your coworkers. Lie if you have to - so what? In our group we don't have an agreed-on phrase but I often go with I can sense the power in it or something like that. It's not so hard if your heart is in the right place.


So you prefer the "yes man" approach and blatant dishonesty to polite honesty? 

Neat.
 
2022-05-17 11:38:38 AM  
You good subby? You sound pretty stupid.
 
2022-05-17 11:50:19 AM  
I don't know about that subby. I'm personally not a fan of his, but every time I've seen someone mention his new album it's been to praise it effusively. That doesn't suggest to me that it's a bad album.
 
2022-05-17 12:25:28 PM  

Snapper Carr: YMMV

IMO there's some really good stuff on this


[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/Vo89NfFYKKI]

Dude's got something to say which sets him apart from 99% of what passes for music these days.


Nonsense, about half of them want to hold her hand and had erections in northern Scandinavia
 
2022-05-17 12:26:44 PM  

mongbiohazard: I don't know about that subby. I'm personally not a fan of his, but every time I've seen someone mention his new album it's been to praise it effusively. That doesn't suggest to me that it's a bad album.


This is all any music related post on Fark ever is, and it's probably part of the reason the music tab doesn't exist anymore.
 
2022-05-17 12:35:11 PM  

NKURyan: mongbiohazard: I don't know about that subby. I'm personally not a fan of his, but every time I've seen someone mention his new album it's been to praise it effusively. That doesn't suggest to me that it's a bad album.

This is all any music related post on Fark ever is, and it's probably part of the reason the music tab doesn't exist anymore.


I was shocked when a Ghostface Killah thread was nothing but positivity, though he definitely deserves it. It's maybe generational, and some people on this site might still see Millenial culture and art as some sort of young whippersnapper thing. I don't know.
 
2022-05-17 1:01:15 PM  

TheJoe03: It's maybe generational, and some people on this site might still see Millenial culture and art as some sort of young whippersnapper thing. I don't know.


That would be my bet, if only because a lot of people in the average Fark demographic haven't even heard of the stuff the current whippersnappers are into.
 
2022-05-17 1:02:57 PM  

TDWCom29: Oh shiat, if the well known hip-hop/rap haven known as Fark says it's not good it must not be!


lol, i see we have already covered the obvious here
 
2022-05-17 1:05:48 PM  
It's a great and messy song on a great and messy album.
 
2022-05-17 1:46:46 PM  
The result should be polarizing, the song isn't about him being an ally, it's about him coming to terms with understanding something outside of his experience and that includes the ugly parts along with the good parts. Glad he has family members that he loves that he can speak to, though I wish most people didn't require knowing someone in order to have empathy for them.

But as with the whole album Kendrick isn't out there making records for the club, or even for enjoyment as 'We Cry Together' can show. The album is like any of his, him processing thoughts and emotion through song and he's willing to lay it out there. That doesn't mean it shouldn't or can't be criticized, and there's a lot of unpacking to do with the album because it's dense, but thematically throughout it is that a lot of what's going on is bullshiat and underneath it we can choose humanity over bullshiat.
 
2022-05-17 2:23:56 PM  
Huh, I thought only Fox network promos advertised something as "controversial" when they couldn't say it was good. Their other one that always irks me is the one where they say it's the show "Everyone will be talking about," essentially trying to astroturf the future.
 
2022-05-17 2:51:45 PM  

NKURyan: mongbiohazard: I don't know about that subby. I'm personally not a fan of his, but every time I've seen someone mention his new album it's been to praise it effusively. That doesn't suggest to me that it's a bad album.

This is all any music related post on Fark ever is, and it's probably part of the reason the music tab doesn't exist anymore.


The Fark Music tab was to music what Star Wars fandom is to Star Wars.
 
2022-05-17 3:02:44 PM  
The third verse details the gender transition of his cousin Mary-Ann. That narrative culminates at an Easter Sunday service, where Kendrick challenges a preacher who condemns the LGBTQ+ lifestyle as an abomination. "I chose humanity over religion," says Kendrick.

On the morning of the album's release, transgender rights activist Raquel Willis tweeted, "If you think deadnaming, misgendering, and wielding slurs is the pinnacle of LGBTQ+ allyship, you've got a lot of work to do, boo ... Why must [cishet men] always push a boundary with us and expect us to be grateful?"

The song's conceit is in keeping with one of Kendrick's long-standing strategies. Rather than preaching down to the listener from on high, he has a tendency to instead hold himself up as an example of what not to do... Rather than presenting himself as more enlightened than the listener, he embodies his own imperfect journey from youthful ignorance (complete with re-creating his use of the wrong language in the first several verses) to acceptance (in the final verse, at least, he uses the pronouns his cousin prefers). The catch, as Willis and others have pointed out, is that in this context, reprising this kind of language-even to make a point-repeats the harm. The intentions may be good, but when it comes to the impact, it's complicated.


Interesting article Subby.
 
2022-05-17 3:16:55 PM  
I'm down with humanity over religion.
 
2022-05-17 3:55:38 PM  
i am surprised that slate has anything that is not dispensing advice to preposterously made up letters
 
2022-05-17 3:57:17 PM  
Isn't this just a thinly veiled remake of Tone Loc's "Funky Cold Medina"?
 
2022-05-17 4:00:56 PM  

Cthulhu Theory: Stephen_Falken: TelemonianAjax: Pocket Ninja: TelemonianAjax: A close friend was in the music biz for 10+ years and moved in very high levels. He told me the polite way to say you dont like someone's music is to say "It doesn't speak to me" because it says nothing about someone else's taste, only your own.

Kendrick Lamar's music does not speak to me.

Maybe. I guess it depends on the tone. Because "it doesn't speak to me" can very easily be interpreted as actually meaning something along the lines of, "You're not saying anything I find even remotely interesting and I find everything about you dull, predictable, and utterly forgettable."

That still maintains all the opinions inside the speaker and doesnt say anything about the art itself, and avoids saying anything directly about the taste of whoever you're speaking to. All in all, I find it to be an exquisitely balanced phrase. Right up there with "Wouldnt the world be boring if we were all the same?" - which can also be used in different tones to convey thi gs thatvwould be rude to state outright.

I'm still involved in music at moderate levels, and it's been my experience that you never say anything that can be regarded as negative, because every conversation is a marketing conversation except with your close friends. The lesson here being, you don't sh*t on your coworkers. Lie if you have to - so what? In our group we don't have an agreed-on phrase but I often go with I can sense the power in it or something like that. It's not so hard if your heart is in the right place.

So you prefer the "yes man" approach and blatant dishonesty to polite honesty? 

Neat.


You prefer to impose your own value judgments on others' existence instead of just doing your best to get along?

Figures.
 
2022-05-17 4:33:45 PM  

Stephen_Falken: Cthulhu Theory: Stephen_Falken: TelemonianAjax: Pocket Ninja: TelemonianAjax: A close friend was in the music biz for 10+ years and moved in very high levels. He told me the polite way to say you dont like someone's music is to say "It doesn't speak to me" because it says nothing about someone else's taste, only your own.

Kendrick Lamar's music does not speak to me.

Maybe. I guess it depends on the tone. Because "it doesn't speak to me" can very easily be interpreted as actually meaning something along the lines of, "You're not saying anything I find even remotely interesting and I find everything about you dull, predictable, and utterly forgettable."

That still maintains all the opinions inside the speaker and doesnt say anything about the art itself, and avoids saying anything directly about the taste of whoever you're speaking to. All in all, I find it to be an exquisitely balanced phrase. Right up there with "Wouldnt the world be boring if we were all the same?" - which can also be used in different tones to convey thi gs thatvwould be rude to state outright.

I'm still involved in music at moderate levels, and it's been my experience that you never say anything that can be regarded as negative, because every conversation is a marketing conversation except with your close friends. The lesson here being, you don't sh*t on your coworkers. Lie if you have to - so what? In our group we don't have an agreed-on phrase but I often go with I can sense the power in it or something like that. It's not so hard if your heart is in the right place.

So you prefer the "yes man" approach and blatant dishonesty to polite honesty? 

Neat.

You prefer to impose your own value judgments on others' existence instead of just doing your best to get along?

Figures.


You think that people can't get along while being honest with each other about differences in opinion or taste? 

Interesting.
 
2022-05-17 4:34:19 PM  

Cthulhu Theory: Stephen_Falken: Cthulhu Theory: Stephen_Falken: TelemonianAjax: Pocket Ninja: TelemonianAjax: A close friend was in the music biz for 10+ years and moved in very high levels. He told me the polite way to say you dont like someone's music is to say "It doesn't speak to me" because it says nothing about someone else's taste, only your own.

Kendrick Lamar's music does not speak to me.

Maybe. I guess it depends on the tone. Because "it doesn't speak to me" can very easily be interpreted as actually meaning something along the lines of, "You're not saying anything I find even remotely interesting and I find everything about you dull, predictable, and utterly forgettable."

That still maintains all the opinions inside the speaker and doesnt say anything about the art itself, and avoids saying anything directly about the taste of whoever you're speaking to. All in all, I find it to be an exquisitely balanced phrase. Right up there with "Wouldnt the world be boring if we were all the same?" - which can also be used in different tones to convey thi gs thatvwould be rude to state outright.

I'm still involved in music at moderate levels, and it's been my experience that you never say anything that can be regarded as negative, because every conversation is a marketing conversation except with your close friends. The lesson here being, you don't sh*t on your coworkers. Lie if you have to - so what? In our group we don't have an agreed-on phrase but I often go with I can sense the power in it or something like that. It's not so hard if your heart is in the right place.

So you prefer the "yes man" approach and blatant dishonesty to polite honesty? 

Neat.

You prefer to impose your own value judgments on others' existence instead of just doing your best to get along?

Figures.

You think that people can't get along while being honest with each other about differences in opinion or taste? 

Interesting.


Art is pretty subjective.
 
2022-05-17 4:37:57 PM  

TheJoe03: Cthulhu Theory: Stephen_Falken: Cthulhu Theory: Stephen_Falken: TelemonianAjax: Pocket Ninja: TelemonianAjax: A close friend was in the music biz for 10+ years and moved in very high levels. He told me the polite way to say you dont like someone's music is to say "It doesn't speak to me" because it says nothing about someone else's taste, only your own.

Kendrick Lamar's music does not speak to me.

Maybe. I guess it depends on the tone. Because "it doesn't speak to me" can very easily be interpreted as actually meaning something along the lines of, "You're not saying anything I find even remotely interesting and I find everything about you dull, predictable, and utterly forgettable."

That still maintains all the opinions inside the speaker and doesnt say anything about the art itself, and avoids saying anything directly about the taste of whoever you're speaking to. All in all, I find it to be an exquisitely balanced phrase. Right up there with "Wouldnt the world be boring if we were all the same?" - which can also be used in different tones to convey thi gs thatvwould be rude to state outright.

I'm still involved in music at moderate levels, and it's been my experience that you never say anything that can be regarded as negative, because every conversation is a marketing conversation except with your close friends. The lesson here being, you don't sh*t on your coworkers. Lie if you have to - so what? In our group we don't have an agreed-on phrase but I often go with I can sense the power in it or something like that. It's not so hard if your heart is in the right place.

So you prefer the "yes man" approach and blatant dishonesty to polite honesty? 

Neat.

You prefer to impose your own value judgments on others' existence instead of just doing your best to get along?

Figures.

You think that people can't get along while being honest with each other about differences in opinion or taste? 

Interesting.

Art is pretty subjective.


Exactly. Expecting everyone to like it is absurd. There's no shame, and should be no shame, in being honest about not liking it especially if you can do so in a polite way.
 
2022-05-17 4:57:27 PM  
So his Auntie went trans, then his cousin went trans after? Is his message that it's a social contagion thing happening?
 
2022-05-17 5:21:52 PM  
50 Cent saw his mama kiss a girl and now Kendrick Lamar thinks millenials invented it
 
2022-05-17 5:40:07 PM  

SanityIsAFullTimeJob: So his Auntie went trans, then his cousin went trans after? Is his message that it's a social contagion thing happening?


Not even close.
 
2022-05-17 5:53:35 PM  

TelemonianAjax: A close friend was in the music biz for 10+ years and moved in very high levels. He told me the polite way to say you dont like someone's music is to say "It doesn't speak to me" because it says nothing about someone else's taste, only your own.

Kendrick Lamar's music does not speak to me.


I prefer "I'm not in their demographic." Having said that, one would be cheating oneself to dismiss Kendrick Lamar out of hand, in the same way some classmates of mine dismissed Songs In the Key of Life because it was black music.
 
2022-05-17 6:20:53 PM  

Cthulhu Theory: TheJoe03: Cthulhu Theory: Stephen_Falken: Cthulhu Theory: Stephen_Falken: TelemonianAjax: Pocket Ninja: TelemonianAjax: A close friend was in the music biz for 10+ years and moved in very high levels. He told me the polite way to say you dont like someone's music is to say "It doesn't speak to me" because it says nothing about someone else's taste, only your own.

Kendrick Lamar's music does not speak to me.

Maybe. I guess it depends on the tone. Because "it doesn't speak to me" can very easily be interpreted as actually meaning something along the lines of, "You're not saying anything I find even remotely interesting and I find everything about you dull, predictable, and utterly forgettable."

That still maintains all the opinions inside the speaker and doesnt say anything about the art itself, and avoids saying anything directly about the taste of whoever you're speaking to. All in all, I find it to be an exquisitely balanced phrase. Right up there with "Wouldnt the world be boring if we were all the same?" - which can also be used in different tones to convey thi gs thatvwould be rude to state outright.

I'm still involved in music at moderate levels, and it's been my experience that you never say anything that can be regarded as negative, because every conversation is a marketing conversation except with your close friends. The lesson here being, you don't sh*t on your coworkers. Lie if you have to - so what? In our group we don't have an agreed-on phrase but I often go with I can sense the power in it or something like that. It's not so hard if your heart is in the right place.

So you prefer the "yes man" approach and blatant dishonesty to polite honesty? 

Neat.

You prefer to impose your own value judgments on others' existence instead of just doing your best to get along?

Figures.

You think that people can't get along while being honest with each other about differences in opinion or taste? 

Interesting.

Art is pretty subjective.

Exactly. Expecting everyone to like it is absurd. There's no shame, and should be no shame, in being honest about not liking it especially if you can do so in a polite way.


Polite is the key word.
 
2022-05-17 9:03:17 PM  

TheJoe03: Cthulhu Theory: TheJoe03: Cthulhu Theory: Stephen_Falken: Cthulhu Theory: Stephen_Falken: TelemonianAjax: Pocket Ninja: TelemonianAjax: A close friend was in the music biz for 10+ years and moved in very high levels. He told me the polite way to say you dont like someone's music is to say "It doesn't speak to me" because it says nothing about someone else's taste, only your own.

Kendrick Lamar's music does not speak to me.

Maybe. I guess it depends on the tone. Because "it doesn't speak to me" can very easily be interpreted as actually meaning something along the lines of, "You're not saying anything I find even remotely interesting and I find everything about you dull, predictable, and utterly forgettable."

That still maintains all the opinions inside the speaker and doesnt say anything about the art itself, and avoids saying anything directly about the taste of whoever you're speaking to. All in all, I find it to be an exquisitely balanced phrase. Right up there with "Wouldnt the world be boring if we were all the same?" - which can also be used in different tones to convey thi gs thatvwould be rude to state outright.

I'm still involved in music at moderate levels, and it's been my experience that you never say anything that can be regarded as negative, because every conversation is a marketing conversation except with your close friends. The lesson here being, you don't sh*t on your coworkers. Lie if you have to - so what? In our group we don't have an agreed-on phrase but I often go with I can sense the power in it or something like that. It's not so hard if your heart is in the right place.

So you prefer the "yes man" approach and blatant dishonesty to polite honesty? 

Neat.

You prefer to impose your own value judgments on others' existence instead of just doing your best to get along?

Figures.

You think that people can't get along while being honest with each other about differences in opinion or taste? 

Interesting.

Art is pretty subjective.

Exactly. Expecting everyone to like it is absurd. There's no shame, and should be no shame, in being honest about not liking it especially if you can do so in a polite way.

Polite is the key word.


Of course. "It doesn't speak to me" isn't rude unless you're either going out of your way to take it that way, or the person is really condescending when saying it. The phrase itself is not.
 
2022-05-17 9:04:58 PM  

Dear Jerk: TelemonianAjax: A close friend was in the music biz for 10+ years and moved in very high levels. He told me the polite way to say you dont like someone's music is to say "It doesn't speak to me" because it says nothing about someone else's taste, only your own.

Kendrick Lamar's music does not speak to me.

I prefer "I'm not in their demographic." Having said that, one would be cheating oneself to dismiss Kendrick Lamar out of hand, in the same way some classmates of mine dismissed Songs In the Key of Life because it was black music.


I seem to recall a critic getting backlash for a certain Disney movie for saying exactly that.
 
2022-05-17 9:11:17 PM  
You should be able to voice your opinion, pro or con, without retribution.  The problem is that most of the time, it's in the form of "It's amazing!" or "It sucks!"  Tell us, without hyperbole, why you like it or hate it.  It's art, so you don't have to show your work about the musical structure or the lyrical composition.  That's all.
 
2022-05-17 10:51:14 PM  

Billy Liar: You should be able to voice your opinion, pro or con, without retribution.  The problem is that most of the time, it's in the form of "It's amazing!" or "It sucks!"  Tell us, without hyperbole, why you like it or hate it.  It's art, so you don't have to show your work about the musical structure or the lyrical composition.  That's all.


As long as you have basic respect for others it should be fine.
 
kab
2022-05-18 1:21:06 AM  
FTA:  problematic

The important part is that someone was offended by this music.  Quota reached, thank god.
 
2022-05-18 4:47:16 AM  

kab: FTA:  problematic

The important part is that someone was offended by this music.  Quota reached, thank god.


Don't be jealous, you'll be first next time
 
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