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2022-05-17 8:57:32 AM  
"anything you say can and will be used against you"
Note - it CAN ONLY be used against you. Nothing you say can be used to help you.
I mean it's right farking there kids. Mr. Police officer is not our friend.
 
2022-05-17 10:38:18 AM  
I do not consent to a search.  Be polite, but unambiguous.

I've got nothing to hide, you think, and this will get me on my way faster.  Maybe, but it may also cost you
 
2022-05-17 10:42:19 AM  
1) Don't consent to a search
2) If you do consent to a search, you can still withdraw your consent.
 
2022-05-17 10:42:44 AM  
*Offer not valid if Black
 
2022-05-17 10:43:06 AM  
I pull out my gat and I pop a cap in that pig's ass.

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2022-05-17 10:43:11 AM  
In other words, consenting to a search of your car is never in your best interest-whether you have a body in the trunk or you've never broken a law in your life.

Is this an either/ or question?

/looks nervously at the trunk of his car.
 
2022-05-17 10:43:21 AM  
"May I search your vehicle?"

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2022-05-17 10:43:29 AM  
I do not consent to an anal cavity search.
 
2022-05-17 10:44:57 AM  

EvilEgg: I do not consent to a search.  Be polite, but unambiguous.

I've got nothing to hide, you think, and this will get me on my way faster.  Maybe, but it may also cost you


Perhaps if we didn't insist on funding municipal programs through citations, cops would have less incentive to work out ways to undermine you so that they can find a citable offense. There are entire towns here in Washington for which a large part of their budget depends on moving violation citation income.

If they're asking, they're fishing - if there was an issue, they're legally empowered to do what they need to do without having to ask.
 
2022-05-17 10:45:20 AM  
This advice only applies to those who are clean cut and white.
 
2022-05-17 10:45:40 AM  
Lift a leg, fart loudly, step out, close the door and say "welp, she's all yours bud"
 
2022-05-17 10:46:44 AM  
In a heavy French Accent:  You van ta seach mah cah?
Cop:  Yes
Certainma! You may search mah cah.
Cop:  Okay get out so I can search your car.
Why?  But zees iz not mah cah!

Or play Sovreign Citizen.  See if you can set the record for how long the cop will tolerate you circular questioning.
Am I being detained?
Will any of this be used against me in court?
Why am I being detained?
 
2022-05-17 10:48:00 AM  

Schmerd1948: I do not consent to an anal cavity search.


Whoa, whoa, whoa!  Let's not be too hasty...

/What does the cop look like?
 
2022-05-17 10:48:32 AM  
Ehh - there is one case.  If you're driving a company vehicle and their policy is that all searches will be consented to, you're not gonna have a lot of choice legally

/if you're dumb enough to have anything even remotely incriminating in a company vehicle - what the fark were you thinking?

Weaver95: "anything you say can and will be used against you"
Note - it CAN ONLY be used against you. Nothing you say can be used to help you.
I mean it's right farking there kids. Mr. Police officer is not our friend.


Technically incorrect.  There's no law that says they can't - they CAN.  They aren't farking gonna that's for sure - but yeah they could.  Matt Gaetz could also decide to devote his life to helping the poor and disadvantaged too - and it's likelier to happen sooner than what you say being used in your favor
 
2022-05-17 10:49:16 AM  

Weaver95: "anything you say can and will be used against you"
Note - it CAN ONLY be used against you. Nothing you say can be used to help you.
I mean it's right farking there kids. Mr. Police officer is not our friend.


Will. Key word will.

And what it means in real life is:
We've collectively agreed that inconsistent statement are evidence of, well, something...anything.


It's actually horrible.


Our justice system works like an idiot on a forum posting a past comment and not allowing for clarification.
Jfc
🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
 
2022-05-17 10:50:18 AM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: Matt Gaetz could also decide to devote his life to helping the poor and disadvantaged too - and it's likelier to happen sooner than what you say being used in your favor


That's what he thought he was doing with all of those minor purchases.
 
2022-05-17 10:50:23 AM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: If you're driving a company vehicle and their policy is that all searches will be consented to, you're not gonna have a lot of choice legally

/if you're dumb enough to have anything even remotely incriminating in a company vehicle - what the fark were you thinking?


If it's a shared vehicle, you literally do not know what someone else might have left in the vehicle.
 
2022-05-17 10:50:35 AM  
I agree the search request should be denied. But that's easier said than done. Cops know how to approach you to get the answer they want to hear. That is the main reason why so many people say yes whey they shouldn't. Whether or not they have anything illegal. So think about your confidence, recognize the difference between what they're ordering you to do and what they're requesting from you, and recognize that the request from them for permission to search your vehicle is in fact a request not a command, and that it's up to you to make a definite denial to that particular request.
 
2022-05-17 10:51:03 AM  
policing is a dangerous job, but not as dangerous as delivering pizza
 
2022-05-17 10:51:21 AM  

EvilEgg: I do not consent to a search.  Be polite, but unambiguous.

I've got nothing to hide, you think, and this will get me on my way faster.  Maybe, but it may also cost you


Especially if a stupid idiot cops
declares that donut icing is meth.
 
2022-05-17 10:51:53 AM  

EvilEgg: I do not consent to a search.  Be polite, but unambiguous.

I've got nothing to hide, you think, and this will get me on my way faster.  Maybe, but it may also cost you


Never consent to a search. Too many times cops have planted stuff in cars, like the cop in Florida who was planting drugs on people to get praise.

I've literally told cops:

I'm sorry but I do not consent to anyone to searching my vehicle without a warrant. However if you have a warrant you can present it to me and I'll step to the side and wait for you to finish.

Kind of like the sticker on my plane: "The pilot and owner of this aircraft do not consent to any searches."

There was a time after California legalized mary-gee-wanna that the DEA basically tried searching any pilot on a VFR flight they felt liked, as long as the flight originated in California and headed out of state.
 
2022-05-17 10:52:01 AM  

Schmerd1948: I do not consent to an anal cavity search.


Sir, this is an Arby's.
 
2022-05-17 10:52:33 AM  
The answer is no. Always


Also applies to census workers.
 
2022-05-17 10:52:46 AM  
I do not consent to a search. What is the reason for my stop today?

Should you deviate from your purpose, I will respectfully demand the presence of your supervisor.

Need I remind you; I'm white, and jury selection probably won't find one in twelve that likes the police?
 
2022-05-17 10:53:10 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: Or play Sovreign Citizen.  See if you can set the record for how long the cop will tolerate you circular questioning.


Not SovCit, but my favorite traffic stop from a few years back was one where I had broken no law (but the cop thought I had). Left turn on red, which is legal if you are turning from a one-way onto a one-way and there is no signage prohibiting the turn. Once I explained that and the cop had an "Oh, that's right" moment, he still insisted I had to give him my license and insurance information so he could go run it. I held firm and insisted that since there was no legal justification for the stop, I was free to go without having to provide a license to him. It took about 20 minutes of arguing to get the shift lieutenant to show up at the scene and surprisingly the LT said I could go about my business.
 
2022-05-17 10:53:29 AM  

FormlessOne: EvilEgg: I do not consent to a search.  Be polite, but unambiguous.

I've got nothing to hide, you think, and this will get me on my way faster.  Maybe, but it may also cost you

Perhaps if we didn't insist on funding municipal programs through citations, cops would have less incentive to work out ways to undermine you so that they can find a citable offense. There are entire towns here in Washington for which a large part of their budget depends on moving violation citation income.

If they're asking, they're fishing - if there was an issue, they're legally empowered to do what they need to do without having to ask.


Or cut off a hand anytime their wrong?
 
2022-05-17 10:53:52 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: In a heavy French Accent:  You van ta seach mah cah?
Cop:  Yes
Certainma! You may search mah cah.
Cop:  Okay get out so I can search your car.
Why?  But zees iz not mah cah!

Or play Sovreign Citizen.  See if you can set the record for how long the cop will tolerate you circular questioning.
Am I being detained?
Will any of this be used against me in court?
Why am I being detained?


That's not playing sovereign citizen, that's simply exercising your rights.  Playing SovCit would sound more like...
"I don't want to give you my name, that would create joinder with you"
"I am not the corporate entity of Comic Book Guy, I am a free person on the land subject to natural law and wish to go on my lawful way"
 
2022-05-17 10:54:51 AM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: Ehh - there is one case.  If you're driving a company vehicle and their policy is that all searches will be consented to, you're not gonna have a lot of choice legally

/if you're dumb enough to have anything even remotely incriminating in a company vehicle - what the fark were you thinking?

Weaver95: "anything you say can and will be used against you"
Note - it CAN ONLY be used against you. Nothing you say can be used to help you.
I mean it's right farking there kids. Mr. Police officer is not our friend.

Technically incorrect.  There's no law that says they can't - they CAN.  They aren't farking gonna that's for sure - but yeah they could.  Matt Gaetz could also decide to devote his life to helping the poor and disadvantaged too - and it's likelier to happen sooner than what you say being used in your favor


Why would ANY company have that as a policy?  It should always be 'company policy is to not let the police search the vehicle'.  No company wants the PR nightmare of finding booze/drugs/whatever in a company vehicle.
 
2022-05-17 10:54:54 AM  
Do not consent to anything ever. Do not speak to cops ever. The MOST you should ever say is that. "I do not consent to a search." If you have been arrested for whatever reason do not fight. Do not say a word. Do not sign anything. You say, "I have am not going to say another word until my attorney is present."
 
2022-05-17 10:55:55 AM  
Also, how did it take this long for someone to post the video that needs to be in every police interaction thread?

Don't Talk to the Police
Youtube d-7o9xYp7eE
 
2022-05-17 10:56:04 AM  

FormlessOne: EvilEgg: I do not consent to a search.  Be polite, but unambiguous.

I've got nothing to hide, you think, and this will get me on my way faster.  Maybe, but it may also cost you

Perhaps if we didn't insist on funding municipal programs through citations, cops would have less incentive to work out ways to undermine you so that they can find a citable offense. There are entire towns here in Washington for which a large part of their budget depends on moving violation citation income.

If they're asking, they're fishing - if there was an issue, they're legally empowered to do what they need to do without having to ask.



They get funding from writing citations.
Fishing for a reason to arrest you, is more of a power trip for these cops.
 
2022-05-17 10:56:10 AM  
Not so CSB...

When I was young, I got pulled over ALL the time.  Pretty much every time a cop drove by, they would turn around and pull me over.

This happened 4 or 5 times a week.  I was never speeding, my car was always in good order.  But I did have very long hair.  In almost every single one of those encounters, they would have me step out so they could search my car.  I didn't drink or have any drugs on me.  Not even weed.  So I just let them have their fun.

It was a hassle, to be sure.  But there is a reason I allowed it.  You see...  The one time that I refused, they yanked me out of the car, threatened to find stuff on me, basically said that any random thing in my car could be a weapon, or used as drug paraphernalia, or some other bullshiat.  And because of that encounter, I was targeted and pulled over even MORE often.

This was back in the late 80's and early 90's.  I come to find out later that the best solution to this was to simply not drive in some townships that were known to do this sort of thing.

My point here is that you can yell all you want about your rights.  But there is no such farking thing when it's you and some asshole with a partner, and gun, and a superiority complex, literally imposing their authority over you.  You either comply or you pay the price.  It's as simple as that.

I tell this story as a suburban white guy.  I can only imagine what other people who are not white guys must have gone through, and are still going through.  And it's probably one of the reasons that I feel as I do about cops AND about race relations in this country.  I can literally empathize with them.  Because I've been there.  Even if only at the most minor level by comparison.
 
2022-05-17 10:56:27 AM  

nytmare: I agree the search request should be denied. But that's easier said than done. Cops know how to approach you to get the answer they want to hear. That is the main reason why so many people say yes whey they shouldn't. Whether or not they have anything illegal. So think about your confidence, recognize the difference between what they're ordering you to do and what they're requesting from you, and recognize that the request from them for permission to search your vehicle is in fact a request not a command, and that it's up to you to make a definite denial to that particular request.


The easiest way to confuse them is to:
1. Answer no questions - just politely tell them "I'm not answering any questions today." This should be your answer to the questions about "Do you know why I pulled you over?" and "How fast were you going?" and anything else similar. It confuses the heck out of them.
2. If they ask to search your vehicle, give an answer to the question that isn't permission and isn't denial. Simply say "I have somewhere to go and I need to be on my way." This confuses them even more because you aren't saying yes or no to them. Just deflect with an answer that isn't an answer until they give up.
 
2022-05-17 10:56:35 AM  
The article forgot to mention an important thing:

START VIDEO RECORDING THE MOMENT YOU GET PULLED OVER.

Without video evidence, it's your word against the cop's. And guess who gets the benefit of the doubt? Who will believe you, when the cop claims you gave him consent to a search?

The camera is the witness that doesn't lie. Use it.
 
2022-05-17 10:57:04 AM  
I've had fun with this one in years past. "May I search your vehicle?"
"No. Can I search yours?"
But I'm white. I knew the cop. And it was the 90s.

Another time the answer was "No" and I got the whole "Why, do you have something to hide?" His whole demeanor changed, body posture, tone, hell the piece of shiat got psycho eyes. farker went into 'spect mah authoritah' mode.
 
2022-05-17 10:57:08 AM  

mrmopar5287: Some Junkie Cosmonaut: If you're driving a company vehicle and their policy is that all searches will be consented to, you're not gonna have a lot of choice legally

/if you're dumb enough to have anything even remotely incriminating in a company vehicle - what the fark were you thinking?

If it's a shared vehicle, you literally do not know what someone else might have left in the vehicle.


Yes, a shared vehicle is another story - but on that you have the official record that it's not just you.  Was mostly talking an issued company vehicle from a company with a compliance policy (which is nearly all of them.)
 
2022-05-17 10:57:21 AM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: Ehh - there is one case.  If you're driving a company vehicle and their policy is that all searches will be consented to, you're not gonna have a lot of choice legally


I'll take my chances with HR over my chances with the oinker about to plant a dime bag.

"I had no idea that was the policy. Next time I am harassed by a cop I will be sure to bend over and spread my cheeks for the company. Better? "
 
2022-05-17 10:58:52 AM  

raz4446: policing is a dangerous job, but not as dangerous as delivering pizza


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2022-05-17 10:59:12 AM  

mrmopar5287: Harry Freakstorm: Or play Sovreign Citizen.  See if you can set the record for how long the cop will tolerate you circular questioning.

Not SovCit, but my favorite traffic stop from a few years back was one where I had broken no law (but the cop thought I had). Left turn on red, which is legal if you are turning from a one-way onto a one-way and there is no signage prohibiting the turn. Once I explained that and the cop had an "Oh, that's right" moment, he still insisted I had to give him my license and insurance information so he could go run it. I held firm and insisted that since there was no legal justification for the stop, I was free to go without having to provide a license to him. It took about 20 minutes of arguing to get the shift lieutenant to show up at the scene and surprisingly the LT said I could go about my business.


Usually, the supervisors have a better understanding of the law. Not always, but often. It's astonishing how many regular beat cops have absolutely no understanding of law and basic citizen rights.
 
2022-05-17 10:59:21 AM  
Depending on where your stopped and a lot of by chance things like you make of vehicle, your skin color the cop having a bad  day or just has a quota to meet etc, after saying no they will say then they will call for a canine drug dog to walk around your car and guaranteed that dog will alert to something. Then they proceed to tear your shiat up extra even when all is clean.
Saying you don't consent is not as simple as it sounds in most cases.
 
2022-05-17 10:59:43 AM  

squegeebooo: Some Junkie Cosmonaut: Ehh - there is one case.  If you're driving a company vehicle and their policy is that all searches will be consented to, you're not gonna have a lot of choice legally

/if you're dumb enough to have anything even remotely incriminating in a company vehicle - what the fark were you thinking?

Weaver95: "anything you say can and will be used against you"
Note - it CAN ONLY be used against you. Nothing you say can be used to help you.
I mean it's right farking there kids. Mr. Police officer is not our friend.

Technically incorrect.  There's no law that says they can't - they CAN.  They aren't farking gonna that's for sure - but yeah they could.  Matt Gaetz could also decide to devote his life to helping the poor and disadvantaged too - and it's likelier to happen sooner than what you say being used in your favor

Why would ANY company have that as a policy?  It should always be 'company policy is to not let the police search the vehicle'.  No company wants the PR nightmare of finding booze/drugs/whatever in a company vehicle.


My theory is that whitebread Karen from HR has never had a reason to distrust the police, and as a result has no concept of the police not being anything but upstanding and truthful protectors of the peace.  As a result, the policy is to just let them do whatever they want, since if anything illegal IS found the company can just immediately fire the person responsible and wash their hands of the incident.
 
2022-05-17 10:59:45 AM  

squegeebooo: Some Junkie Cosmonaut: Ehh - there is one case.  If you're driving a company vehicle and their policy is that all searches will be consented to, you're not gonna have a lot of choice legally

/if you're dumb enough to have anything even remotely incriminating in a company vehicle - what the fark were you thinking?

Weaver95: "anything you say can and will be used against you"
Note - it CAN ONLY be used against you. Nothing you say can be used to help you.
I mean it's right farking there kids. Mr. Police officer is not our friend.

Technically incorrect.  There's no law that says they can't - they CAN.  They aren't farking gonna that's for sure - but yeah they could.  Matt Gaetz could also decide to devote his life to helping the poor and disadvantaged too - and it's likelier to happen sooner than what you say being used in your favor

Why would ANY company have that as a policy?  It should always be 'company policy is to not let the police search the vehicle'.  No company wants the PR nightmare of finding booze/drugs/whatever in a company vehicle.


No company wants the real world nightmare of ALL their vehicles becoming targets for stops at every possible opportunity, which is what's gonna happen if they have a corporate "No." policy.  That's not right or particularly fair, but it's what's gonna happen.  GFL finding a company that's willing to do that barring one that is already harassed shiatless by the nature of their existence.  Maybe a dispensary or somesuch - wouldn't change much for them
 
2022-05-17 10:59:58 AM  
*knock at the front door*

Stranger at the door "Can I come in?"

Me "You a cop, or a vampire?"

Stranger at the door "Vampire"

Me "Yeah, you can come in"
 
2022-05-17 11:00:32 AM  

Miss_Dorothy_Kilgallen: Schmerd1948: I do not consent to an anal cavity search.

Whoa, whoa, whoa!  Let's not be too hasty...

/What does the cop look like?


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2022-05-17 11:00:38 AM  

FarkingReading: Schmerd1948: I do not consent to an anal cavity search.

Sir, this is an Arby's.


We have probably cause to believe that you have the meats around here somewhere.
 
2022-05-17 11:01:39 AM  

SpectroBoy: Some Junkie Cosmonaut: Ehh - there is one case.  If you're driving a company vehicle and their policy is that all searches will be consented to, you're not gonna have a lot of choice legally

I'll take my chances with HR over my chances with the oinker about to plant a dime bag.

"I had no idea that was the policy. Next time I am harassed by a cop I will be sure to bend over and spread my cheeks for the company. Better? "


K.  They'll fire you - but you can do that

/on the plus side anymore a lot of company vehicles contain cameras - makes it a lot harder to play conjure evidence
//not impossible but harder
///if nothing else, even if you don't catch the drop, you can often pull up video showing that certainly wasn't there before the stop
 
2022-05-17 11:03:24 AM  

FormlessOne: EvilEgg: I do not consent to a search.  Be polite, but unambiguous.

I've got nothing to hide, you think, and this will get me on my way faster.  Maybe, but it may also cost you

Perhaps if we didn't insist on funding municipal programs through citations, cops would have less incentive to work out ways to undermine you so that they can find a citable offense. There are entire towns here in Washington for which a large part of their budget depends on moving violation citation income.

If they're asking, they're fishing - if there was an issue, they're legally empowered to do what they need to do without having to ask.


Oh I see. We don't pay enough tribute and so we can expect to be shaken down and imprisoned.
 
2022-05-17 11:03:27 AM  

Comic Book Guy: Harry Freakstorm: In a heavy French Accent:  You van ta seach mah cah?
Cop:  Yes
Certainma! You may search mah cah.
Cop:  Okay get out so I can search your car.
Why?  But zees iz not mah cah!

Or play Sovreign Citizen.  See if you can set the record for how long the cop will tolerate you circular questioning.
Am I being detained?
Will any of this be used against me in court?
Why am I being detained?

That's not playing sovereign citizen, that's simply exercising your rights.  Playing SovCit would sound more like...
"I don't want to give you my name, that would create joinder with you"
"I am not the corporate entity of Comic Book Guy, I am a free person on the land subject to natural law and wish to go on my lawful way"


There was a video on Fark and that's all I heard the SC say.  The cop was getting good karma points for putting up with it as long as he did.  Finally, the cop's supervisor showed up.  There was at least one tazing.  Maybe the passenger got it too.

BTW:  The Great Nephew borrowed the wife's car and went to North St. Louis for some heroin.   The cop caught him after consuming so all he got arrested for was paraphernalia and other warrants.  They tore the wife's car up.  He told the wife he was going in for a methadone treatment.  Spent about two weeks in various jails in the St. Louis County area.  His biggest gripe was they moved him from St. John's to Ballwin before he could get his chocolate cake and milk.
 
2022-05-17 11:03:38 AM  

Corn_Fed: mrmopar5287: Harry Freakstorm: Or play Sovreign Citizen.  See if you can set the record for how long the cop will tolerate you circular questioning.

Not SovCit, but my favorite traffic stop from a few years back was one where I had broken no law (but the cop thought I had). Left turn on red, which is legal if you are turning from a one-way onto a one-way and there is no signage prohibiting the turn. Once I explained that and the cop had an "Oh, that's right" moment, he still insisted I had to give him my license and insurance information so he could go run it. I held firm and insisted that since there was no legal justification for the stop, I was free to go without having to provide a license to him. It took about 20 minutes of arguing to get the shift lieutenant to show up at the scene and surprisingly the LT said I could go about my business.

Usually, the supervisors have a better understanding of the law. Not always, but often. It's astonishing how many regular beat cops have absolutely no understanding of law and basic citizen rights.


It was such a stupid argument because the patrol officer did know the law. He popped me for a left turn on red which kinda, sorta SOUNDS illegal, but when I explained it that part of the law that allows it clicked in his head. He did know the law with just a reminder. It was after that where he went stuck on stupid by insisting he had to run my license. Like, we just cleared up the thing where you admitted I BROKE NO LAW so this isn't a traffic stop any longer? It's not a traffic stop because nothing illegal has been done. At that point, I'm free to go unless he can specifically articulate that he personally knows there is something else going on (suspended license, arrest warrant, etc.).
 
2022-05-17 11:04:19 AM  
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