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(Vice)   Researchers who published a study that posits that psilocybin could treat depression get upset when peers critique their methods. "[We] have done much to advance the scientific credibility of psychedelic research...[you are] unfair to say the least"   (vice.com) divider line
    More: Asinine, Beck Depression Inventory, Brain, Statistical significance, Statistical hypothesis testing, Major depressive disorder, UCSF's Robin Carhart-Harris, Psychedelic drug, paper's authors  
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2022-05-17 9:40:10 AM  
"What do you mean taking Terence McKenna's word for it isn't good enough for the scientific method?  The man was the world's foremost expert on the subject, I think he'd know!"
 
2022-05-17 10:42:57 AM  
Exactly how it does so is still elusive, though there are theories.

That's true with most anti-depressants.
 
2022-05-17 12:39:41 PM  
If they get upset they should chew on a few mushrooms...
 
2022-05-17 1:02:50 PM  

foo monkey: Exactly how it does so is still elusive, though there are theories.
That's true with most anti-depressants.


Placebo effect.  There's not one thing that  I think can be made better by using hallucinogenics. And I say that as someone who  smokes a lot of pot. When I sobered up, I came to realize that there isn't a thing in your head that can be accessed by drugs that isn't already there.  Your optimal state of mind is STRAIGHT.  That's when it works the best, and that's when you  need to work on your issues.
So that means that if you're using drugs to get some semblance of "normal," you're already so far out of whack, drugs aren't going to help you.  The normal needs to be when you are straight, and if it isn't, you need to figure out what it is.
If you discover, after a long round of being straight and working on things, that you still have lots of problems, you might benefit from some counseling.  If you really really have problems, maybe some psychedelics could be used that would free you from some of your issues.  Under clinical supervision.  And I still wouldn't do it, even for my own PTSD.  I don't think it would work. I did plenty of acid back in the day, and I never had one mind-blowing epiphany.  Not even once.  It was all for fun.

But if  a whole bunch of spoiled ninnies are  getting hold of strong drugs so that they can "clear their minds" before they go back to work, that's just more consumerism.  And all the little ninnies of the world are ALL about that.  "Oh I'm so burdened!  I need  a dose!  I need to click something!"

You sure do.  Have you ever considered just sitting down and shutting the fark up about how bad you have it, in the richest, most spoiled country in the world?
 
2022-05-17 1:07:23 PM  

cryinoutloud: foo monkey: Exactly how it does so is still elusive, though there are theories.
That's true with most anti-depressants.

Placebo effect.  There's not one thing that  I think can be made better by using hallucinogenics. And I say that as someone who  smokes a lot of pot. When I sobered up, I came to realize that there isn't a thing in your head that can be accessed by drugs that isn't already there.  Your optimal state of mind is STRAIGHT.  That's when it works the best, and that's when you  need to work on your issues.
So that means that if you're using drugs to get some semblance of "normal," you're already so far out of whack, drugs aren't going to help you.  The normal needs to be when you are straight, and if it isn't, you need to figure out what it is.
If you discover, after a long round of being straight and working on things, that you still have lots of problems, you might benefit from some counseling.  If you really really have problems, maybe some psychedelics could be used that would free you from some of your issues.  Under clinical supervision.  And I still wouldn't do it, even for my own PTSD.  I don't think it would work. I did plenty of acid back in the day, and I never had one mind-blowing epiphany.  Not even once.  It was all for fun.

But if  a whole bunch of spoiled ninnies are  getting hold of strong drugs so that they can "clear their minds" before they go back to work, that's just more consumerism.  And all the little ninnies of the world are ALL about that.  "Oh I'm so burdened!  I need  a dose!  I need to click something!"

You sure do.  Have you ever considered just sitting down and shutting the fark up about how bad you have it, in the richest, most spoiled country in the world?


yes people with depression just need to get a sense of perspective and straighten themselves out. that's the ticket
 
2022-05-17 1:20:57 PM  
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2022-05-17 1:22:47 PM  

cryinoutloud: foo monkey: Exactly how it does so is still elusive, though there are theories.
That's true with most anti-depressants.

Placebo effect.  There's not one thing that  I think can be made better by using hallucinogenics. And I say that as someone who  smokes a lot of pot. When I sobered up, I came to realize that there isn't a thing in your head that can be accessed by drugs that isn't already there.  Your optimal state of mind is STRAIGHT.  That's when it works the best, and that's when you  need to work on your issues.
So that means that if you're using drugs to get some semblance of "normal," you're already so far out of whack, drugs aren't going to help you.  The normal needs to be when you are straight, and if it isn't, you need to figure out what it is.
If you discover, after a long round of being straight and working on things, that you still have lots of problems, you might benefit from some counseling.  If you really really have problems, maybe some psychedelics could be used that would free you from some of your issues.  Under clinical supervision.  And I still wouldn't do it, even for my own PTSD.  I don't think it would work. I did plenty of acid back in the day, and I never had one mind-blowing epiphany.  Not even once.  It was all for fun.

But if  a whole bunch of spoiled ninnies are  getting hold of strong drugs so that they can "clear their minds" before they go back to work, that's just more consumerism.  And all the little ninnies of the world are ALL about that.  "Oh I'm so burdened!  I need  a dose!  I need to click something!"

You sure do.  Have you ever considered just sitting down and shutting the fark up about how bad you have it, in the richest, most spoiled country in the world?


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2022-05-17 1:24:37 PM  

cryinoutloud: foo monkey: Exactly how it does so is still elusive, though there are theories.
That's true with most anti-depressants.

Placebo effect.  There's not one thing that  I think can be made better by using hallucinogenics. And I say that as someone who  smokes a lot of pot. When I sobered up, I came to realize that there isn't a thing in your head that can be accessed by drugs that isn't already there.  Your optimal state of mind is STRAIGHT.  That's when it works the best, and that's when you  need to work on your issues.
So that means that if you're using drugs to get some semblance of "normal," you're already so far out of whack, drugs aren't going to help you.  The normal needs to be when you are straight, and if it isn't, you need to figure out what it is.
If you discover, after a long round of being straight and working on things, that you still have lots of problems, you might benefit from some counseling.  If you really really have problems, maybe some psychedelics could be used that would free you from some of your issues.  Under clinical supervision.  And I still wouldn't do it, even for my own PTSD.  I don't think it would work. I did plenty of acid back in the day, and I never had one mind-blowing epiphany.  Not even once.  It was all for fun.

But if  a whole bunch of spoiled ninnies are  getting hold of strong drugs so that they can "clear their minds" before they go back to work, that's just more consumerism.  And all the little ninnies of the world are ALL about that.  "Oh I'm so burdened!  I need  a dose!  I need to click something!"

You sure do.  Have you ever considered just sitting down and shutting the fark up about how bad you have it, in the richest, most spoiled country in the world?


Lulz
 
2022-05-17 1:47:46 PM  

cryinoutloud: foo monkey: Exactly how it does so is still elusive, though there are theories.
That's true with most anti-depressants.

Placebo effect.  There's not one thing that  I think can be made better by using hallucinogenics. And I say that as someone who  smokes a lot of pot. When I sobered up, I came to realize that there isn't a thing in your head that can be accessed by drugs that isn't already there.  Your optimal state of mind is STRAIGHT.  That's when it works the best, and that's when you  need to work on your issues.
So that means that if you're using drugs to get some semblance of "normal," you're already so far out of whack, drugs aren't going to help you.  The normal needs to be when you are straight, and if it isn't, you need to figure out what it is.
If you discover, after a long round of being straight and working on things, that you still have lots of problems, you might benefit from some counseling.  If you really really have problems, maybe some psychedelics could be used that would free you from some of your issues.  Under clinical supervision.  And I still wouldn't do it, even for my own PTSD.  I don't think it would work. I did plenty of acid back in the day, and I never had one mind-blowing epiphany.  Not even once.  It was all for fun.

But if  a whole bunch of spoiled ninnies are  getting hold of strong drugs so that they can "clear their minds" before they go back to work, that's just more consumerism.  And all the little ninnies of the world are ALL about that.  "Oh I'm so burdened!  I need  a dose!  I need to click something!"

You sure do.  Have you ever considered just sitting down and shutting the fark up about how bad you have it, in the richest, most spoiled country in the world?


Are you ok? How is your thetan count doing?
 
2022-05-17 2:11:38 PM  

lifeslammer: cryinoutloud: foo monkey: Exactly how it does so is still elusive, though there are theories.
That's true with most anti-depressants.

Placebo effect.  There's not one thing that  I think can be made better by using hallucinogenics. And I say that as someone who  smokes a lot of pot. When I sobered up, I came to realize that there isn't a thing in your head that can be accessed by drugs that isn't already there.  Your optimal state of mind is STRAIGHT.  That's when it works the best, and that's when you  need to work on your issues.
So that means that if you're using drugs to get some semblance of "normal," you're already so far out of whack, drugs aren't going to help you.  The normal needs to be when you are straight, and if it isn't, you need to figure out what it is.
If you discover, after a long round of being straight and working on things, that you still have lots of problems, you might benefit from some counseling.  If you really really have problems, maybe some psychedelics could be used that would free you from some of your issues.  Under clinical supervision.  And I still wouldn't do it, even for my own PTSD.  I don't think it would work. I did plenty of acid back in the day, and I never had one mind-blowing epiphany.  Not even once.  It was all for fun.

But if  a whole bunch of spoiled ninnies are  getting hold of strong drugs so that they can "clear their minds" before they go back to work, that's just more consumerism.  And all the little ninnies of the world are ALL about that.  "Oh I'm so burdened!  I need  a dose!  I need to click something!"

You sure do.  Have you ever considered just sitting down and shutting the fark up about how bad you have it, in the richest, most spoiled country in the world?

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They've said some dumb shiat before, and it's probably a red flag that I have half the people on their "Thanks for TF" lineup on my ignore list, but this crap is past the line to block them.
 
2022-05-17 3:00:48 PM  
foo monkey:

That's true with most anti-depressants.

Not really. SSRIs prevent reuptake of serotonin thus keeping levels elevated. Its well understood how that works.
 
2022-05-17 3:13:06 PM  
Yipes. Successful troll is successful.
 
2022-05-17 3:46:47 PM  
Confirmation bias is a hell of a drug.
 
2022-05-17 4:19:09 PM  

New Farkin User Name: cryinoutloud: foo monkey: Exactly how it does so is still elusive, though there are theories.
That's true with most anti-depressants.

Placebo effect.  There's not one thing that  I think can be made better by using hallucinogenics. And I say that as someone who  smokes a lot of pot. When I sobered up, I came to realize that there isn't a thing in your head that can be accessed by drugs that isn't already there.  Your optimal state of mind is STRAIGHT.  That's when it works the best, and that's when you  need to work on your issues.
So that means that if you're using drugs to get some semblance of "normal," you're already so far out of whack, drugs aren't going to help you.  The normal needs to be when you are straight, and if it isn't, you need to figure out what it is.
If you discover, after a long round of being straight and working on things, that you still have lots of problems, you might benefit from some counseling.  If you really really have problems, maybe some psychedelics could be used that would free you from some of your issues.  Under clinical supervision.  And I still wouldn't do it, even for my own PTSD.  I don't think it would work. I did plenty of acid back in the day, and I never had one mind-blowing epiphany.  Not even once.  It was all for fun.

But if  a whole bunch of spoiled ninnies are  getting hold of strong drugs so that they can "clear their minds" before they go back to work, that's just more consumerism.  And all the little ninnies of the world are ALL about that.  "Oh I'm so burdened!  I need  a dose!  I need to click something!"

You sure do.  Have you ever considered just sitting down and shutting the fark up about how bad you have it, in the richest, most spoiled country in the world?

yes people with depression just need to get a sense of perspective and straighten themselves out. that's the ticket


i'm fairly sure she moved into the "this will require more than shrooms or SSRIs to help" zone quite a while back. it's sad. so i ignore her. or she yells at me. for the crime of being born in the US.
 
2022-05-17 5:15:40 PM  
"[We] have done much to advance the scientific credibility of psychedelic [sic] research..."

By, perhaps, putting together studies with built-in outcomes?

FTFA:   " Articles reported that psilocybin "may help rewire the brain," language that emulated the study's press release."

Oh for the love of Mike.  The people who want to lay hallucinogens on you have been uttering this kind of stuff for ~sixty years now.  The term "psychedelic" itself means "examination of the mind."  If these drugs really worked the wonders on the psyche that their advocates say they do, I'm pretty sure that we'd know about it by this time.
 
2022-05-17 10:25:52 PM  
Psilocybin tends to depress me. And psilocybe mushrooms taste like a wino's socks. So I haven't eaten them in several decades. Based on my sample size of 1, their study is bullshiat.
 
2022-05-18 1:32:31 AM  
I ate two handfuls of psylocybin mushrooms and shat the universe out my ass for 182 hours before being crowned as The King and Lord of All Salvation

/so I'm really getting a kick out of some of these p0sts...
//you people talk like you have any idea what natural psychedelics produce
 
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