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2022-05-17 12:25:43 AM  
What did you expect from Pittsburgh??
 
2022-05-17 8:53:46 AM  

Madaynun: What did you expect from Pittsburgh??


and the cubs are still 0.5 games behind them

that's one terrible division this year
 
2022-05-17 9:11:22 AM  

Madaynun: What did you expect from Pittsburgh??


How about a nice rundown play?

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2022-05-17 9:43:46 AM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: Madaynun: What did you expect from Pittsburgh??

and the cubs are still 0.5 games behind them

that's one terrible division this year


first time Cubs have won three consecutive games this year too. eek.
 
2022-05-17 9:51:35 AM  
Welcome to "Pirates Gonna Pirate," Episode 35.
 
2022-05-17 10:01:47 AM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: Madaynun: What did you expect from Pittsburgh??

and the cubs are still 0.5 games behind them

that's one terrible division this year


The AL-Central may be even worse, overall.
 
2022-05-17 10:09:26 AM  
Is it any more difficult to hit a grand slam in the first than other innings?
 
2022-05-17 10:15:46 AM  

Dafatone: Is it any more difficult to hit a grand slam in the first than other innings?


For the leadoff hitter, I'd say yes.
 
2022-05-17 10:17:12 AM  
100 HR for Contreras, all with the Cubs. he's having a good year; maybe he'll fetch a nice trade at the deadline...
 
2022-05-17 10:23:29 AM  
*******OLD MAN RANT********

Remember the days when leadoff hitters were fast contact hitters like Rickey Henderson, Tim Raines, Vince Coleman and Willie Wilson. If they got on base they would create havoc by stealing bases. Now catchers and power hitters who strike out 40% of the time lead off games.

Rant over, everything in my generation is better than yours and get off my lawn.
 
2022-05-17 10:24:45 AM  

Trainspotr: Dafatone: Is it any more difficult to hit a grand slam in the first than other innings?

For the leadoff hitter, I'd say yes.


OK yeah. I gotta wake up.
 
2022-05-17 10:31:02 AM  

Dafatone: Trainspotr: Dafatone: Is it any more difficult to hit a grand slam in the first than other innings?

For the leadoff hitter, I'd say yes.

OK yeah. I gotta wake up.


Granted, it's even harder for the guys batting 2nd and 3rd in the lineup.
 
2022-05-17 10:35:32 AM  

virulent_loser: 100 HR for Contreras, all with the Cubs. he's having a good year; maybe he'll fetch a nice trade at the deadline...


And then he'll sign a five year deal somewhere for like $45 million total, and everyone will wonder why the Cubs can't afford to pay anyone.

Fun fact: the Cubs' current WAR leader per baseball reference is a pitcher who's pitched 27 innings in 8 games.
 
2022-05-17 10:38:40 AM  

jlee4677: *******OLD MAN RANT********

Remember the days when leadoff hitters were fast contact hitters like Rickey Henderson, Tim Raines, Vince Coleman and Willie Wilson. If they got on base they would create havoc by stealing bases. Now catchers and power hitters who strike out 40% of the time lead off games.

Rant over, everything in my generation is better than yours and get off my lawn.


small ball isn't sexy anymore.  three true outcomes is what rules now

a lot of these guys get on base at a high rate, which is what they want.  and ironically, attempted steals are throwing away outs, but strikeouts that neither advance runners nor force defenses to make plays and potentially generate errors are preferred

but hey, mlb loves playing a type of baseball that doesn't produce consistent action but are stumped as to why they think everyone things games are boring.  better shave another 10s off inning breaks and pitching changes, that'll solve it
 
2022-05-17 10:44:04 AM  

Trainspotr: Fun fact: the Cubs' current WAR leader per baseball reference is a pitcher who's pitched 27 innings in 8 games.


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didn't know he played for the cubs
 
2022-05-17 10:57:02 AM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: jlee4677: *******OLD MAN RANT********

Remember the days when leadoff hitters were fast contact hitters like Rickey Henderson, Tim Raines, Vince Coleman and Willie Wilson. If they got on base they would create havoc by stealing bases. Now catchers and power hitters who strike out 40% of the time lead off games.

Rant over, everything in my generation is better than yours and get off my lawn.

small ball isn't sexy anymore.  three true outcomes is what rules now

a lot of these guys get on base at a high rate, which is what they want.  and ironically, attempted steals are throwing away outs, but strikeouts that neither advance runners nor force defenses to make plays and potentially generate errors are preferred

but hey, mlb loves playing a type of baseball that doesn't produce consistent action but are stumped as to why they think everyone things games are boring.  better shave another 10s off inning breaks and pitching changes, that'll solve it


It's really just all about on base percentage.

Raines and Henderson were great, and got on base at a very high clip. Coleman actually kinda sucked, because he couldn't get on base (and wasn't a good defender).

Wilson is the outlier as someone who didn't get on base at a great rate but was still very good. Because he was a very good defender and a good hitter, at least early in his career.
 
2022-05-17 11:07:17 AM  

Dafatone: Dead for Tax Reasons: jlee4677: *******OLD MAN RANT********

Remember the days when leadoff hitters were fast contact hitters like Rickey Henderson, Tim Raines, Vince Coleman and Willie Wilson. If they got on base they would create havoc by stealing bases. Now catchers and power hitters who strike out 40% of the time lead off games.

Rant over, everything in my generation is better than yours and get off my lawn.

small ball isn't sexy anymore.  three true outcomes is what rules now

a lot of these guys get on base at a high rate, which is what they want.  and ironically, attempted steals are throwing away outs, but strikeouts that neither advance runners nor force defenses to make plays and potentially generate errors are preferred

but hey, mlb loves playing a type of baseball that doesn't produce consistent action but are stumped as to why they think everyone things games are boring.  better shave another 10s off inning breaks and pitching changes, that'll solve it

It's really just all about on base percentage.

Raines and Henderson were great, and got on base at a very high clip. Coleman actually kinda sucked, because he couldn't get on base (and wasn't a good defender).

Wilson is the outlier as someone who didn't get on base at a great rate but was still very good. Because he was a very good defender and a good hitter, at least early in his career.


I understand the reasoning but a triple or a player scoring from first on a double is more exciting than a home run. Whitey ball was much more fun to watch than todays game and I absolutely hate the Cardinals.
 
2022-05-17 11:23:04 AM  

virulent_loser: 100 HR for Contreras, all with the Cubs. he's having a good year; maybe he'll fetch a nice trade at the deadline...


I hope so too, but unfortunately the usual suspects in the fanbase will cry because they think a 30yo catcher is the missing piece of a World Series run.
 
2022-05-17 11:36:15 AM  

Dafatone: Dead for Tax Reasons: jlee4677: *******OLD MAN RANT********

Remember the days when leadoff hitters were fast contact hitters like Rickey Henderson, Tim Raines, Vince Coleman and Willie Wilson. If they got on base they would create havoc by stealing bases. Now catchers and power hitters who strike out 40% of the time lead off games.

Rant over, everything in my generation is better than yours and get off my lawn.

small ball isn't sexy anymore.  three true outcomes is what rules now

a lot of these guys get on base at a high rate, which is what they want.  and ironically, attempted steals are throwing away outs, but strikeouts that neither advance runners nor force defenses to make plays and potentially generate errors are preferred

but hey, mlb loves playing a type of baseball that doesn't produce consistent action but are stumped as to why they think everyone things games are boring.  better shave another 10s off inning breaks and pitching changes, that'll solve it

It's really just all about on base percentage.

Raines and Henderson were great, and got on base at a very high clip. Coleman actually kinda sucked, because he couldn't get on base (and wasn't a good defender).

Wilson is the outlier as someone who didn't get on base at a great rate but was still very good. Because he was a very good defender and a good hitter, at least early in his career.


Willie, like Coleman, wouldn't walk if he was a mailman, but he got so many hits it didn't matter.   Ricky was perfect and had pop too.   My favorite was always Kenny Lofton, whose only weakness was his throwing arm.   He was great at everything else and was the spark plug for some incredible offensive teams.
 
2022-05-17 11:47:38 AM  

Stud Gerbil: Dafatone: Dead for Tax Reasons: jlee4677: *******OLD MAN RANT********

Remember the days when leadoff hitters were fast contact hitters like Rickey Henderson, Tim Raines, Vince Coleman and Willie Wilson. If they got on base they would create havoc by stealing bases. Now catchers and power hitters who strike out 40% of the time lead off games.

Rant over, everything in my generation is better than yours and get off my lawn.

small ball isn't sexy anymore.  three true outcomes is what rules now

a lot of these guys get on base at a high rate, which is what they want.  and ironically, attempted steals are throwing away outs, but strikeouts that neither advance runners nor force defenses to make plays and potentially generate errors are preferred

but hey, mlb loves playing a type of baseball that doesn't produce consistent action but are stumped as to why they think everyone things games are boring.  better shave another 10s off inning breaks and pitching changes, that'll solve it

It's really just all about on base percentage.

Raines and Henderson were great, and got on base at a very high clip. Coleman actually kinda sucked, because he couldn't get on base (and wasn't a good defender).

Wilson is the outlier as someone who didn't get on base at a great rate but was still very good. Because he was a very good defender and a good hitter, at least early in his career.

Willie, like Coleman, wouldn't walk if he was a mailman, but he got so many hits it didn't matter.   Ricky was perfect and had pop too.   My favorite was always Kenny Lofton, whose only weakness was his throwing arm.   He was great at everything else and was the spark plug for some incredible offensive teams.


Lofton should be in the hall of fame.
 
2022-05-17 11:52:55 AM  

germ78: virulent_loser: 100 HR for Contreras, all with the Cubs. he's having a good year; maybe he'll fetch a nice trade at the deadline...

I hope so too, but unfortunately the usual suspects in the fanbase will cry because they think a 30yo catcher is the missing piece of a World Series run.


I get terribly nostalgic for the old crew but am grateful AF that Hoyer saw the writing on the wall last year. people have short memories and forget the Cubs weren't winning with those guys anyway.
 
2022-05-17 12:03:04 PM  

Stud Gerbil: Dead for Tax Reasons: Madaynun: What did you expect from Pittsburgh??

and the cubs are still 0.5 games behind them

that's one terrible division this year

The AL-Central may be even worse, overall.


Difficulty: The Reds are in this division.
 
2022-05-17 12:06:46 PM  

germ78: virulent_loser: 100 HR for Contreras, all with the Cubs. he's having a good year; maybe he'll fetch a nice trade at the deadline...

I hope so too, but unfortunately the usual suspects in the fanbase will cry because they think a 30yo catcher is the missing piece of a World Series run.


Nah, we'll cry because we know they won't be getting much of anything for him, even for any sort of future rebuilding plans.  The Ricketts got to be the heroes of Chicago in 2016, and now they've turned into Stuart Sternberg.
 
2022-05-17 12:19:44 PM  

Dafatone: Is it any more difficult to hit a grand slam in the first than other innings?


Presumably your starting pitcher is at peak rested up and warmed up in the 1st inning.

So it should be hard to go around the batting order and THEN hit a grand slam in the 1st inning.
 
2022-05-17 12:35:18 PM  

AppleOptionEsc: Presumably your starting pitcher is at peak rested up and warmed up in the 1st inning.


The Pirates have allowed 1st inning runs in something like 20-25 of their first 35 games.
 
2022-05-17 12:43:30 PM  

jlee4677: *******OLD MAN RANT********

Remember the days when leadoff hitters were fast contact hitters like Rickey Henderson, Tim Raines, Vince Coleman and Willie Wilson. If they got on base they would create havoc by stealing bases. Now catchers and power hitters who strike out 40% of the time lead off games.


I think Ichiro was the last of that breed.  I remember an analyst (Peter Gammons, IIRC) talk about watching Ichiro during batting practice, and how he consistently hit BP HRs.  He apparently had tons of power but chose small ball because he wanted to disrupt the game.  He understood that getting inside the pitcher's head was more valuable than hitting a single HR, because even by the time he started playing in the US, home runs were ridiculously common.
 
2022-05-17 1:34:43 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: jlee4677: *******OLD MAN RANT********

Remember the days when leadoff hitters were fast contact hitters like Rickey Henderson, Tim Raines, Vince Coleman and Willie Wilson. If they got on base they would create havoc by stealing bases. Now catchers and power hitters who strike out 40% of the time lead off games.

Rant over, everything in my generation is better than yours and get off my lawn.

small ball isn't sexy anymore.  three true outcomes is what rules now

a lot of these guys get on base at a high rate, which is what they want.  and ironically, attempted steals are throwing away outs, but strikeouts that neither advance runners nor force defenses to make plays and potentially generate errors are preferred

but hey, mlb loves playing a type of baseball that doesn't produce consistent action but are stumped as to why they think everyone things games are boring.  better shave another 10s off inning breaks and pitching changes, that'll solve it


baseball is boring because only maybe a third of the league is even trying to win so there's no point to watching the majority of the games

and this doesn't bother the league one bit because they make money hand over fist regardless
 
2022-05-17 2:14:42 PM  

The Weekend Baker: jlee4677: *******OLD MAN RANT********

Remember the days when leadoff hitters were fast contact hitters like Rickey Henderson, Tim Raines, Vince Coleman and Willie Wilson. If they got on base they would create havoc by stealing bases. Now catchers and power hitters who strike out 40% of the time lead off games.

I think Ichiro was the last of that breed.  I remember an analyst (Peter Gammons, IIRC) talk about watching Ichiro during batting practice, and how he consistently hit BP HRs.  He apparently had tons of power but chose small ball because he wanted to disrupt the game.  He understood that getting inside the pitcher's head was more valuable than hitting a single HR, because even by the time he started playing in the US, home runs were ridiculously common.


But it wasn't though.
 
2022-05-17 2:33:21 PM  

jlee4677: *******OLD MAN RANT********

Remember the days when leadoff hitters were fast contact hitters like Rickey Henderson, Tim Raines, Vince Coleman and Willie Wilson. If they got on base they would create havoc by stealing bases. Now catchers and power hitters who strike out 40% of the time lead off games.

Rant over, everything in my generation is better than yours and get off my lawn.


TBF didn't Ricky have the most leadoff homers of all time?
 
2022-05-17 3:21:50 PM  

The Weekend Baker: jlee4677: *******OLD MAN RANT********

Remember the days when leadoff hitters were fast contact hitters like Rickey Henderson, Tim Raines, Vince Coleman and Willie Wilson. If they got on base they would create havoc by stealing bases. Now catchers and power hitters who strike out 40% of the time lead off games.

I think Ichiro was the last of that breed.  I remember an analyst (Peter Gammons, IIRC) talk about watching Ichiro during batting practice, and how he consistently hit BP HRs.  He apparently had tons of power but chose small ball because he wanted to disrupt the game.  He understood that getting inside the pitcher's head was more valuable than hitting a single HR, because even by the time he started playing in the US, home runs were ridiculously common.


Hitting home runs in batting practice is very different from doing it in a game. Kind of like when you see kickers hitting 70 yard field goals off a tee.

Ichiro is also not really a good comparison because he was so bloody good at what he did. Very few players could get hits as reliably as Ichiro if they were trying to do so.

I am sure there are a few players like Ichiro that can be more valuable hitting for base hits, but those are the outliers with most hitters benefitting their team more by swinging for the fences.
 
2022-05-17 5:50:37 PM  
Dead for Tax Reasons:but hey, mlb loves playing a type of baseball that doesn't produce consistent action but are stumped as to why they think everyone things games are boring.  better shave another 10s off inning breaks and pitching changes, that'll solve it

MLB loves playing a type of baseball that will win a fantasy league rather than a major league.
 
2022-05-17 6:55:33 PM  

jlee4677: *******OLD MAN RANT********

Remember the days when leadoff hitters were fast contact hitters like Rickey Henderson, Tim Raines, Vince Coleman and Willie Wilson. If they got on base they would create havoc by stealing bases. Now catchers and power hitters who strike out 40% of the time lead off games.

Rant over, everything in my generation is better than yours and get off my lawn.


fwiw, the Cubs aren't the best team to reference for trends in leadoff hitters. they haven't had a proper, consistent one since Dexter Fowler in 2016.
 
2022-05-17 8:30:02 PM  

Hoopy Frood: Dead for Tax Reasons:but hey, mlb loves playing a type of baseball that doesn't produce consistent action but are stumped as to why they think everyone things games are boring.  better shave another 10s off inning breaks and pitching changes, that'll solve it

MLB loves playing a type of baseball that will win a fantasy league rather than a major league.


that's funny to me since i do pretty well at fantasy and the guys that smack 40 homers but hit .220 are never on my teams
 
Oak
2022-05-17 9:39:05 PM  

jlee4677: Dafatone: Dead for Tax Reasons: jlee4677: *******OLD MAN RANT********

Remember the days when leadoff hitters were fast contact hitters like Rickey Henderson, Tim Raines, Vince Coleman and Willie Wilson. If they got on base they would create havoc by stealing bases. Now catchers and power hitters who strike out 40% of the time lead off games.

Rant over, everything in my generation is better than yours and get off my lawn.

small ball isn't sexy anymore.  three true outcomes is what rules now

a lot of these guys get on base at a high rate, which is what they want.  and ironically, attempted steals are throwing away outs, but strikeouts that neither advance runners nor force defenses to make plays and potentially generate errors are preferred

but hey, mlb loves playing a type of baseball that doesn't produce consistent action but are stumped as to why they think everyone things games are boring.  better shave another 10s off inning breaks and pitching changes, that'll solve it

It's really just all about on base percentage.

Raines and Henderson were great, and got on base at a very high clip. Coleman actually kinda sucked, because he couldn't get on base (and wasn't a good defender).

Wilson is the outlier as someone who didn't get on base at a great rate but was still very good. Because he was a very good defender and a good hitter, at least early in his career.

I understand the reasoning but a triple or a player scoring from first on a double is more exciting than a home run. Whitey ball was much more fun to watch than todays game and I absolutely hate the Cardinals.


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2022-05-18 12:27:51 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: Hoopy Frood: Dead for Tax Reasons:but hey, mlb loves playing a type of baseball that doesn't produce consistent action but are stumped as to why they think everyone things games are boring.  better shave another 10s off inning breaks and pitching changes, that'll solve it

MLB loves playing a type of baseball that will win a fantasy league rather than a major league.

that's funny to me since i do pretty well at fantasy and the guys that smack 40 homers but hit .220 are never on my teams


I did well in fantasy leagues, but I owe my success to exploiting the rules. One year when I was 4 IP short of where pitching stats stopped counting the day you passed the season cap, I grabbed every available pitcher scheduled to start the next day and all eight of them actually won. I even told the commissioner months in advance that I was going to do exactly that, but I wasn't invited back the next year. Oh well, at least I won.
 
2022-05-18 6:27:02 PM  

Hoopy Frood: Dead for Tax Reasons: Hoopy Frood: Dead for Tax Reasons:but hey, mlb loves playing a type of baseball that doesn't produce consistent action but are stumped as to why they think everyone things games are boring.  better shave another 10s off inning breaks and pitching changes, that'll solve it

MLB loves playing a type of baseball that will win a fantasy league rather than a major league.

that's funny to me since i do pretty well at fantasy and the guys that smack 40 homers but hit .220 are never on my teams

I did well in fantasy leagues, but I owe my success to exploiting the rules. One year when I was 4 IP short of where pitching stats stopped counting the day you passed the season cap, I grabbed every available pitcher scheduled to start the next day and all eight of them actually won. I even told the commissioner months in advance that I was going to do exactly that, but I wasn't invited back the next year. Oh well, at least I won.


pay attention is one of the biggest ways to do well.  make sure you sit guys not playing, know who the next good guy coming up is, make a couple moves a week to pick up a game in the standings every week or so.  picking up a half game a week is 11 games over the regular season which is the difference between missing or making the playoff, or finishing mid pack or getting a first round bye

i did a fark league once. once.  no one paid attention and the rules were that you could pick up a guy until the game started.  i ran away with it so easily it wasn't even fun
 
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