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2022-05-17 1:49:07 AM  
Rest up. You did good and hopefully for the rest of your lives you will be able to charm anyone you take a liking too with an account of your epic heroism.
 
2022-05-17 6:37:42 AM  
Did Ukraine get other troops to replace them? Why does the article say that there are still Ukrainians in Azovstol if they just evacuated their troops?
 
2022-05-17 6:38:29 AM  
Inb4 you-know-who from the daily war threads rage shiats all over the thread.
 
2022-05-17 6:38:48 AM  
Amazing heroic defense of their fellow people.
Grab a tractor, take the tank of your choice.  On the house.
 
2022-05-17 6:39:03 AM  
Sorry for being a sceptic here, but us farkers have had previous experience with the phrase "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!", and it foreshadowed several years of entrenched warfare liberation.

I'm only feeling slightly better about this war because of Putin's recent flipflop about us and Finland joining NATO. I'm also glad that TFG isn't in power because we all know he'd have launched a pre-emptive nuke by now.
 
2022-05-17 6:40:33 AM  
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2022-05-17 6:43:29 AM  

uttertosh: Sorry for being a sceptic here, but us farkers have had previous experience with the phrase "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!", and it foreshadowed several years of entrenched warfare liberation.

I'm only feeling slightly better about this war because of Putin's recent flipflop about us and Finland joining NATO. I'm also glad that TFG isn't in power because we all know he'd have launched a pre-emptive nuke by now.


reality: he'd have cut off aid to Ukraine and be talking about leaving NATO to preserve hundreds of millions of dollars of assets and loans with Russian nationals and banks associated with Russia.
 
2022-05-17 6:44:32 AM  

untoldforce: Did Ukraine get other troops to replace them? Why does the article say that there are still Ukrainians in Azovstol if they just evacuated their troops?


I think they moved out combat/front line troops.  Now they're going with a regular defense force because Russian troops aren't actively trying to siege the city.  That's just my understanding of it.
 
2022-05-17 6:44:44 AM  

uttertosh: I'm also glad that TFG isn't in power because we all know he'd have launched a pre-emptive nuke by now.


At Ukraine, no less.
 
2022-05-17 6:44:58 AM  
Sooo.... they got permission to surrender and are now Russian POWs?
 
2022-05-17 6:46:51 AM  

untoldforce: Did Ukraine get other troops to replace them? Why does the article say that there are still Ukrainians in Azovstol if they just evacuated their troops?


They evaced the *wounded* from the plant, not everyone.
 
2022-05-17 6:49:52 AM  
Russia's army has shown itself to be corrupt, untrained, poorly maintained, horribly equipped, and barely led.

What are the chances their 7,000 ICBMs are the same embarrassing heap?
 
2022-05-17 6:50:17 AM  

Smoking GNU: untoldforce: Did Ukraine get other troops to replace them? Why does the article say that there are still Ukrainians in Azovstol if they just evacuated their troops?

They evaced the *wounded* from the plant, not everyone.


The live-stream update is pretty light on info. It basically reads like the Russians rolled up with some busses and yelling "bring out yer dead! Get on, we promise to take you... somewhere... that isn't here."
 
2022-05-17 6:52:28 AM  

UNC_Samurai: uttertosh: I'm also glad that TFG isn't in power because we all know he'd have launched a pre-emptive nuke by now.

At Ukraine, no less.


And invaded Greenland. They refused his generous offer of an outright purchase, so...
 
2022-05-17 6:55:45 AM  

uttertosh: Sorry for being a sceptic here, but us farkers have had previous experience with the phrase "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!", and it foreshadowed several years of entrenched warfare liberation.


"Fulfilled the combat mission" can be interpreted as "ended combat operations" rather than "achieved victory".

They did not repel the invaders, but put up a valiant defense and bogged down troops that could have been used elsewhere.
 
2022-05-17 6:55:54 AM  
Long before Mission Accomplished...
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2022-05-17 6:56:27 AM  

hardinparamedic: uttertosh: Sorry for being a sceptic here, but us farkers have had previous experience with the phrase "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!", and it foreshadowed several years of entrenched warfare liberation.

I'm only feeling slightly better about this war because of Putin's recent flipflop about us and Finland joining NATO. I'm also glad that TFG isn't in power because we all know he'd have launched a pre-emptive nuke by now.

reality: he'd have cut off aid to Ukraine and be talking about leaving NATO to preserve hundreds of millions of dollars of assets and loans with Russian nationals and banks associated with Russia.


Actually, TFG actually spelled it out to Putin that any move on Ukraine, under his presidency, would result in Trump launching nukes. There's no coincidence that Putin waited till there was no chance that the election results could be overturned.
 
2022-05-17 7:01:02 AM  

hardinparamedic: uttertosh: Sorry for being a sceptic here, but us farkers have had previous experience with the phrase "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!", and it foreshadowed several years of entrenched warfare liberation.

I'm only feeling slightly better about this war because of Putin's recent flipflop about us and Finland joining NATO. I'm also glad that TFG isn't in power because we all know he'd have launched a pre-emptive nuke by now.

reality: he'd have cut off aid to Ukraine and be talking about leaving NATO to preserve hundreds of millions of dollars of assets and loans with Russian nationals and banks associated with Russia.


It's really stupid, the lengths he'd go for millions. Not billions. He had no ambition.
 
2022-05-17 7:03:51 AM  

Parthenogenetic: uttertosh: Sorry for being a sceptic here, but us farkers have had previous experience with the phrase "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!", and it foreshadowed several years of entrenched warfare liberation.

"Fulfilled the combat mission" can be interpreted as "ended combat operations" rather than "achieved victory".

They did not repel the invaders, but put up a valiant defense and bogged down troops that could have been used elsewhere.


It's fairly clear in the article what happened there: the Ukrainian MOD told them to save themselves instead of continuing to resist.
Difficulty is that some of the Ukrainians in Mariupol are the Nazis (maybe? *shrug*) that the Russians claim they are fighting so not really sure how much better off they'll be surrendering vs. fighting to the bitter end.
 
2022-05-17 7:04:03 AM  

uttertosh: hardinparamedic: uttertosh: Sorry for being a sceptic here, but us farkers have had previous experience with the phrase "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!", and it foreshadowed several years of entrenched warfare liberation.

I'm only feeling slightly better about this war because of Putin's recent flipflop about us and Finland joining NATO. I'm also glad that TFG isn't in power because we all know he'd have launched a pre-emptive nuke by now.

reality: he'd have cut off aid to Ukraine and be talking about leaving NATO to preserve hundreds of millions of dollars of assets and loans with Russian nationals and banks associated with Russia.

Actually, TFG actually spelled it out to Putin that any move on Ukraine, under his presidency, would result in Trump launching nukes. There's no coincidence that Putin waited till there was no chance that the election results could be overturned.


Username checks out.
 
2022-05-17 7:18:31 AM  

uttertosh: hardinparamedic: uttertosh: Sorry for being a sceptic here, but us farkers have had previous experience with the phrase "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!", and it foreshadowed several years of entrenched warfare liberation.

I'm only feeling slightly better about this war because of Putin's recent flipflop about us and Finland joining NATO. I'm also glad that TFG isn't in power because we all know he'd have launched a pre-emptive nuke by now.

reality: he'd have cut off aid to Ukraine and be talking about leaving NATO to preserve hundreds of millions of dollars of assets and loans with Russian nationals and banks associated with Russia.

Actually, TFG actually spelled it out to Putin that any move on Ukraine, under his presidency, would result in Trump launching nukes. There's no coincidence that Putin waited till there was no chance that the election results could be overturned.


That's utter tosh.
 
2022-05-17 7:25:05 AM  

uttertosh: Sorry for being a sceptic here, but us farkers have had previous experience with the phrase "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!", and it foreshadowed several years of entrenched warfare liberation.

I'm only feeling slightly better about this war because of Putin's recent flipflop about us and Finland joining NATO. I'm also glad that TFG isn't in power because we all know he'd have launched a pre-emptive nuke by now.


But it likely would have been for other reasons.
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2022-05-17 7:25:37 AM  

Maker_of_Roads: uttertosh: hardinparamedic: uttertosh: Sorry for being a sceptic here, but us farkers have had previous experience with the phrase "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!", and it foreshadowed several years of entrenched warfare liberation.

I'm only feeling slightly better about this war because of Putin's recent flipflop about us and Finland joining NATO. I'm also glad that TFG isn't in power because we all know he'd have launched a pre-emptive nuke by now.

reality: he'd have cut off aid to Ukraine and be talking about leaving NATO to preserve hundreds of millions of dollars of assets and loans with Russian nationals and banks associated with Russia.

Actually, TFG actually spelled it out to Putin that any move on Ukraine, under his presidency, would result in Trump launching nukes. There's no coincidence that Putin waited till there was no chance that the election results could be overturned.

Username checks out.


Putin lives in a bubble of misinformation. He probably truly believes that Nazis were rampant in Ukraine, and trusted his experts to the point that he also probably had 100% faith in all the intel presented to him, leading him to be certain of being hailed as a liberator in a war where the courage being displayed by Ukrainian folk would be in his favour - ousting the Nazis!

Putin surrounded himself with who he did, so it's equally as f*cked up, as it's getting clearer every day that this war has been entirely justified by the fabrications of the handful of Putin's inner circle of military chiefs, and that Putin has been led/walked into this by them.

You can dismiss my comments with "Username checks out." all you want, but it doesn't mean to say that I'm wrong.
 
2022-05-17 7:28:44 AM  
I can't refind the article that I saw yesterday saying that there were still 600 defenders left.  I have no idea if that was an extrapolation from other information about how many had been in there or what (as no other article mentioned a specific number)

But there was mention of 'seriously wounded' troops and another 200 or so who were to be part of a POW exchange but didn't say if they were wounded or not.

200 seems large enough that it's more than just a simple test to see how the russians treat POWs before the others surrender, and the articles don't make it sound like the others are planning surrender anyway, so I assume that there's *some* reason that those people chose to surrender.

It's possible that they're civilian males.  After all, after the busses last week it was reported that women, children, and the elderly had been evacuated, but no mention of men.
 
2022-05-17 7:32:51 AM  

uttertosh: Maker_of_Roads: uttertosh: hardinparamedic: uttertosh: Sorry for being a sceptic here, but us farkers have had previous experience with the phrase "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!", and it foreshadowed several years of entrenched warfare liberation.

I'm only feeling slightly better about this war because of Putin's recent flipflop about us and Finland joining NATO. I'm also glad that TFG isn't in power because we all know he'd have launched a pre-emptive nuke by now.

reality: he'd have cut off aid to Ukraine and be talking about leaving NATO to preserve hundreds of millions of dollars of assets and loans with Russian nationals and banks associated with Russia.

Actually, TFG actually spelled it out to Putin that any move on Ukraine, under his presidency, would result in Trump launching nukes. There's no coincidence that Putin waited till there was no chance that the election results could be overturned.

Username checks out.

Putin lives in a bubble of misinformation. He probably truly believes that Nazis were rampant in Ukraine, and trusted his experts to the point that he also probably had 100% faith in all the intel presented to him, leading him to be certain of being hailed as a liberator in a war where the courage being displayed by Ukrainian folk would be in his favour - ousting the Nazis!

Putin surrounded himself with who he did, so it's equally as f*cked up, as it's getting clearer every day that this war has been entirely justified by the fabrications of the handful of Putin's inner circle of military chiefs, and that Putin has been led/walked into this by them.

You can dismiss my comments with "Username checks out." all you want, but it doesn't mean to say that I'm wrong.


You're right. Me saying that your username reflects your comment does not mean that you are wrong.

You being wrong is what does that. I'm just pointing it out.

Putin installed the velveeta mussolini. He has as much to fear from him as he does of his morning porridge after the taster is done.

VM can say whatever the fark he wants back here, to the media, but he wasn't going to step out of line for anything, much less actually threaten putin with a harsh word.

To imply anything different, is to speak "utter tosh". And I think you know that.
 
2022-05-17 7:33:21 AM  

monkeyinapinata: Parthenogenetic: uttertosh: Sorry for being a sceptic here, but us farkers have had previous experience with the phrase "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!", and it foreshadowed several years of entrenched warfare liberation.

"Fulfilled the combat mission" can be interpreted as "ended combat operations" rather than "achieved victory".

They did not repel the invaders, but put up a valiant defense and bogged down troops that could have been used elsewhere.

It's fairly clear in the article what happened there: the Ukrainian MOD told them to save themselves instead of continuing to resist.
Difficulty is that some of the Ukrainians in Mariupol are the Nazis (maybe? *shrug*) that the Russians claim they are fighting so not really sure how much better off they'll be surrendering vs. fighting to the bitter end.


My understanding is since the revolution the battalion has been largely made up of regular folk who were more interested in the combat reputation of the unit than the neo nazi ideology.

Though on the other hand they didn't seem to have a problem with the neo nazis who were there, so I don't know.
 
2022-05-17 7:35:20 AM  

uttertosh: hardinparamedic: uttertosh: Sorry for being a sceptic here, but us farkers have had previous experience with the phrase "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!", and it foreshadowed several years of entrenched warfare liberation.

I'm only feeling slightly better about this war because of Putin's recent flipflop about us and Finland joining NATO. I'm also glad that TFG isn't in power because we all know he'd have launched a pre-emptive nuke by now.

reality: he'd have cut off aid to Ukraine and be talking about leaving NATO to preserve hundreds of millions of dollars of assets and loans with Russian nationals and banks associated with Russia.

Actually, TFG actually spelled it out to Putin that any move on Ukraine, under his presidency, would result in Trump launching nukes. There's no coincidence that Putin waited till there was no chance that the election results could be overturned.


Username checks out
 
2022-05-17 7:40:40 AM  
Can someone please prove the short and skinny version?

Did the troops in the city live?  Did they successfully drive the Russians back, and were not, in fact. doomed?
 
2022-05-17 7:45:54 AM  

durbnpoisn: Can someone please prove the short and skinny version?

Did the troops in the city live?  Did they successfully drive the Russians back, and were not, in fact. doomed?


And, strategically, the fall of Mariupol means what? Control of the Black Sea? Crimea? The Mediterranean? Home advantage throughout the playoffs?
 
2022-05-17 7:47:14 AM  

durbnpoisn: Can someone please prove the short and skinny version?

Did the troops in the city live?  Did they successfully drive the Russians back, and were not, in fact. doomed?


The wounded were transferred out, along with some others who were taken to russia and are supposed to be used as part of a prisoner exchange

There are still Ukranian fighters in Mariupol.

No one's really sure what all of this means, but one of the Ukranian twitter feeds last night seemed upset that western press was making it sound like the russians had won when there are still Ukrainians in there to resist.
 
2022-05-17 7:53:17 AM  

Oneiros: durbnpoisn: Can someone please prove the short and skinny version?

Did the troops in the city live?  Did they successfully drive the Russians back, and were not, in fact. doomed?

The wounded were transferred out, along with some others who were taken to russia and are supposed to be used as part of a prisoner exchange

There are still Ukranian fighters in Mariupol.

No one's really sure what all of this means, but one of the Ukranian twitter feeds last night seemed upset that western press was making it sound like the russians had won when there are still Ukrainians in there to resist.


NPR was reporting that while there are still some troops in the steel plant that most have been taken by the Red Cross to Russian controlled area in Ukraine. They will be given medical attention then interrogated as prisoners. Zelenskyy is praising their bravery and saying they helped save Ukraine by holding off Russia for 80 days. But those dudes are probably farked if they don't arrange a prisoner swap super quick, and I'm not sure how many high value prisoners Ukraine has given the quality of soldiers Russia was pumping in.
 
2022-05-17 7:54:03 AM  
The link at the bottom was to a video from Zelinskyy, who was giving a status report, but I'll try to find the one with English subtitles or a transcript

Seriously wounded were evacuated from the basements of #Azovstal. It was not a surrender, as it was presented by #Russian media, was an exchange of seriously wounded #Ukrainian soldiers for #Russian prisoners of war.

The decision was made at the highest level. https://t.co/J75cwRENDu pic.twitter.com/BTIEi7Fz5u
- News from Ukraine (@uasupport999) May 16, 2022
 
2022-05-17 7:55:30 AM  

Oneiros: durbnpoisn: Can someone please prove the short and skinny version?

Did the troops in the city live?  Did they successfully drive the Russians back, and were not, in fact. doomed?

The wounded were transferred out, along with some others who were taken to russia and are supposed to be used as part of a prisoner exchange

There are still Ukranian fighters in Mariupol.

No one's really sure what all of this means, but one of the Ukranian twitter feeds last night seemed upset that western press was making it sound like the russians had won when there are still Ukrainians in there to resist.


Yeah I thought it was weird when msnbc was saying they ceded control when I read otherwise last night
 
2022-05-17 8:00:15 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: durbnpoisn: Can someone please prove the short and skinny version?

Did the troops in the city live?  Did they successfully drive the Russians back, and were not, in fact. doomed?

And, strategically, the fall of Mariupol means what? Control of the Black Sea? Crimea? The Mediterranean? Home advantage throughout the playoffs?


Even though this is quite obviously a horrible situation, this made me laugh.
 
2022-05-17 8:00:58 AM  

On-Farkin-On: NPR was reporting that while there are still some troops in the steel plant that most have been taken by the Red Cross to Russian controlled area in Ukraine. They will be given medical attention then interrogated as prisoners. Zelenskyy is praising their bravery and saying they helped save Ukraine by holding off Russia for 80 days. But those dudes are probably farked if they don't arrange a prisoner swap super quick, and I'm not sure how many high value prisoners Ukraine has given the quality of soldiers Russia was pumping in.


My issue is with the description of the people removed as 'most' of them.

The wounded?  Yes.  Total people since the beginning including civilians?  Sure. But is it 'most' of the soldiers?

The only report that I've seen with numbers said no, it's less than 1/3 of the people who were there yesterday.  And we don't know if the 200 non-wounded were soldiers or civilians, so it might be less than 10% of the soldiers and they were too wounded to continue fighting anyway.

But again, I'm not trying to say that the 600 defenders remaining is accurate (and they had said some were police, not soldiers), but that there are conflicting reports and we should wait for more details and hard numbers.

Otherwise, we're like the people cheering that the 'bunkers worked' when 300 people escaped from the theatre who hadn't been following the estimates that there were 1000 people in there.
 
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2022-05-17 8:03:25 AM  

uttertosh: Maker_of_Roads: uttertosh: hardinparamedic: uttertosh: Sorry for being a sceptic here, but us farkers have had previous experience with the phrase "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!", and it foreshadowed several years of entrenched warfare liberation.

I'm only feeling slightly better about this war because of Putin's recent flipflop about us and Finland joining NATO. I'm also glad that TFG isn't in power because we all know he'd have launched a pre-emptive nuke by now.

reality: he'd have cut off aid to Ukraine and be talking about leaving NATO to preserve hundreds of millions of dollars of assets and loans with Russian nationals and banks associated with Russia.

Actually, TFG actually spelled it out to Putin that any move on Ukraine, under his presidency, would result in Trump launching nukes. There's no coincidence that Putin waited till there was no chance that the election results could be overturned.

Username checks out.

Putin lives in a bubble of misinformation. He probably truly believes that Nazis were rampant in Ukraine, and trusted his experts to the point that he also probably had 100% faith in all the intel presented to him, leading him to be certain of being hailed as a liberator in a war where the courage being displayed by Ukrainian folk would be in his favour - ousting the Nazis!

Putin surrounded himself with who he did, so it's equally as f*cked up, as it's getting clearer every day that this war has been entirely justified by the fabrications of the handful of Putin's inner circle of military chiefs, and that Putin has been led/walked into this by them.

You can dismiss my comments with "Username checks out." all you want, but it doesn't mean to say that I'm wrong.


He still chose his advisors. He still chose to invade a sovereign nation that posed no particular threat.  He still sent troops to quell uprisings in a neighbor to that country.  He still prior invaded that country and took territory from it.  He still commands troops that assault, loot, rape, and murder the civilian population in large enough numbers that it's by design.

Due to the multitude of acts he ordered there's no way that he doesn't bear direct responsibility.
 
2022-05-17 8:05:07 AM  
uttertosh:
Putin lives in a bubble of misinformation. He probably truly believes that Nazis were rampant in Ukraine

I'm getting very strong "Wenn das der Führer wüsste!" vibes from you.

Putin is many things, but not so stupid as to believe his own propaganda.
 
2022-05-17 8:10:00 AM  

uttertosh: Actually, TFG actually spelled it out to Putin that any move on Ukraine, under his presidency, would result in Trump launching nukes.


Trump threatened Putin? That's about the dumbest thing I'll read all day.

uttertosh: There's no coincidence that Putin waited till there was no chance that the election results could be overturned.


I stand immediately corrected.
 
2022-05-17 8:34:22 AM  

On-Farkin-On: Oneiros: durbnpoisn: Can someone please prove the short and skinny version?

Did the troops in the city live?  Did they successfully drive the Russians back, and were not, in fact. doomed?

The wounded were transferred out, along with some others who were taken to russia and are supposed to be used as part of a prisoner exchange

There are still Ukranian fighters in Mariupol.

No one's really sure what all of this means, but one of the Ukranian twitter feeds last night seemed upset that western press was making it sound like the russians had won when there are still Ukrainians in there to resist.

NPR was reporting that while there are still some troops in the steel plant that most have been taken by the Red Cross to Russian controlled area in Ukraine. They will be given medical attention then interrogated as prisoners. Zelenskyy is praising their bravery and saying they helped save Ukraine by holding off Russia for 80 days. But those dudes are probably farked if they don't arrange a prisoner swap super quick, and I'm not sure how many high value prisoners Ukraine has given the quality of soldiers Russia was pumping in.


Ok.  That is a good summary, thank you.  I really had hoped it was something better.  But at least it is reasonably good news, as least in that they held the place for 80 gotdamn days!!

How many Russians lost their lives for that?  I wonder if there will ever be a point when Russia determines that they cannot stomach any more losses.
 
2022-05-17 8:37:48 AM  

On-Farkin-On: But those dudes are probably farked if they don't arrange a prisoner swap super quick,



My understanding is that a prisoner swap has been arranged as part of the deal for them to stop fighting, and the first 'batch' is to test whether the Russians are going to uphold their end of the bargain.
 
2022-05-17 8:40:31 AM  

untoldforce: Did Ukraine get other troops to replace them? Why does the article say that there are still Ukrainians in Azovstol if they just evacuated their troops?


It's an Ukrainian city, so, like, people try to live there. Ukrainians.
 
2022-05-17 8:42:53 AM  

monkeyinapinata: Sooo.... they got permission to surrender and are now Russian POWs?


Well, what don't you understand?

I mean, they surrendered, so now they are POWs.
 
2022-05-17 8:44:11 AM  

August11: Russia's army has shown itself to be corrupt, untrained, poorly maintained, horribly equipped, and barely led.

What are the chances their 7,000 ICBMs are the same embarrassing heap?


What you're saying is lunacy.
 
2022-05-17 8:50:57 AM  
So, they are all dead. Down to the last man. Not even civilians left to fight. Fits the way they were treated.
 
2022-05-17 8:55:35 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: August11: Russia's army has shown itself to be corrupt, untrained, poorly maintained, horribly equipped, and barely led.

What are the chances their 7,000 ICBMs are the same embarrassing heap?

What you're saying is lunacy.


It's amazing how many Farkers seem to look forward to a nuclear war. After all, it's likely that only a *few* of Russia's missiles work, so that's not so bad, right?
 
2022-05-17 8:55:44 AM  

uttertosh: Maker_of_Roads: uttertosh: hardinparamedic: uttertosh: Sorry for being a sceptic here, but us farkers have had previous experience with the phrase "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!", and it foreshadowed several years of entrenched warfare liberation.

I'm only feeling slightly better about this war because of Putin's recent flipflop about us and Finland joining NATO. I'm also glad that TFG isn't in power because we all know he'd have launched a pre-emptive nuke by now.

reality: he'd have cut off aid to Ukraine and be talking about leaving NATO to preserve hundreds of millions of dollars of assets and loans with Russian nationals and banks associated with Russia.

Actually, TFG actually spelled it out to Putin that any move on Ukraine, under his presidency, would result in Trump launching nukes. There's no coincidence that Putin waited till there was no chance that the election results could be overturned.

Username checks out.

Putin lives in a bubble of misinformation. He probably truly believes that Nazis were rampant in Ukraine, and trusted his experts to the point that he also probably had 100% faith in all the intel presented to him, leading him to be certain of being hailed as a liberator in a war where the courage being displayed by Ukrainian folk would be in his favour - ousting the Nazis!

Putin surrounded himself with who he did, so it's equally as f*cked up, as it's getting clearer every day that this war has been entirely justified by the fabrications of the handful of Putin's inner circle of military chiefs, and that Putin has been led/walked into this by them.

You can dismiss my comments with "Username checks out." all you want, but it doesn't mean to say that I'm wrong.


Oh no, it's not your username that causes the dismissal, it is the fact that you said was wrong is why we dismissed what you said as wrong.
 
2022-05-17 9:14:32 AM  

uttertosh: Maker_of_Roads: uttertosh: hardinparamedic: uttertosh: Sorry for being a sceptic here, but us farkers have had previous experience with the phrase "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!", and it foreshadowed several years of entrenched warfare liberation.

I'm only feeling slightly better about this war because of Putin's recent flipflop about us and Finland joining NATO. I'm also glad that TFG isn't in power because we all know he'd have launched a pre-emptive nuke by now.

reality: he'd have cut off aid to Ukraine and be talking about leaving NATO to preserve hundreds of millions of dollars of assets and loans with Russian nationals and banks associated with Russia.

Actually, TFG actually spelled it out to Putin that any move on Ukraine, under his presidency, would result in Trump launching nukes. There's no coincidence that Putin waited till there was no chance that the election results could be overturned.

Username checks out.

Putin lives in a bubble of misinformation. He probably truly believes that Nazis were rampant in Ukraine, and trusted his experts to the point that he also probably had 100% faith in all the intel presented to him, leading him to be certain of being hailed as a liberator in a war where the courage being displayed by Ukrainian folk would be in his favour - ousting the Nazis!

Putin surrounded himself with who he did, so it's equally as f*cked up, as it's getting clearer every day that this war has been entirely justified by the fabrications of the handful of Putin's inner circle of military chiefs, and that Putin has been led/walked into this by them.

You can dismiss my comments with "Username checks out." all you want, but it doesn't mean to say that I'm wrong.


Planning an invasion usually takes many months of preparation before troops and supplies get moved into position, even longer before the call to invade is made.  IMHO, this was planned while TFG was still in office with the expectation that Pooty Poot had pulled enough strings to get him re-elected, and therefore wouldn't have to worry much about his asset doing things like supplying NATO with US weapons and intel.  That didn't happen, and with the clock ticking on whatever mysterious fatal disease is ailing him, Putin decided to go ahead with the invasion without TFGs assistance.

Obviously a giant blunder, but it's not like there haven't been giant blunders throughout the last..ohh...108 years of European history.
 
2022-05-17 9:17:32 AM  

humanshrapnel: doing things like supplying NATO

Ukraine with US weapons and intel.

FTFM
 
2022-05-17 9:21:08 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Ketchuponsteak: August11: Russia's army has shown itself to be corrupt, untrained, poorly maintained, horribly equipped, and barely led.

What are the chances their 7,000 ICBMs are the same embarrassing heap?

What you're saying is lunacy.

It's amazing how many Farkers seem to look forward to a nuclear war. After all, it's likely that only a *few* of Russia's missiles work, so that's not so bad, right?


This crap again?

Yes, I admit it.  With the way that the current societies have ruined the earth, I am perfectly okay with destroying the majority of live on earth so that maybe the people who survive in the Southern Hemisphere can have their chance to rebuild the world.

... when the alternative is being bullied by an asshole because he had a big scary weapon, and the people in charge in my country are rich assholes who think of themselves and short term gains on power to either make money or appease their invisible sky being, without thinking of the long term impacts of anything.  And then continue being bullied by them because they know we'll continue to back down forever.
 
2022-05-17 9:22:11 AM  

August11: Russia's army has shown itself to be corrupt, untrained, poorly maintained, horribly equipped, and barely led.

What are the chances their 7,000 ICBMs are the same embarrassing heap?


At this point, I'd bet the ones that aren't complete rust buckets were sold on the black market years ago.
 
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