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2022-05-16 7:46:44 PM  
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I must disagree. The overwhelming majority of experts have concluded that the State of Florida and the local districts suffer significant financial losses respective to the proposed changes. There are no credible sources that suggest the State comes out on top, or that Disney significantly suffers under the new law. The article lacks credibility.
 
2022-05-16 7:50:44 PM  
Without elaborating, DeSantis on Monday reiterated that Disney will be responsible for honoring its nearly $1 billion bond debt and that the company will pay its "share of taxes."

Two things:
1) They would be honoring the debt if you didn't dissolve the district. The whole issue is caused by your rash actions, ya toon.
2) Is Disney not already paying it's share of taxes? Or are you saying you're planning on raising taxes on some group that Disney belongs to?
 
2022-05-16 8:27:37 PM  
You would think this guy would have watched Song of The South a few times and known what a tar baby is.
 
2022-05-16 11:45:06 PM  
DeSantis says Florida could take control of Disney's special district.

To be fair, he says a lot of stupid shiat.
 
2022-05-16 11:46:42 PM  
Someone should remind DerpSantis that there are plenty of bodies buried under the Magic Kingdom in California.

/under DisneyWorld is a series of connecting tunnels
 
2022-05-16 11:47:27 PM  
Is it because if the state has direct control he can fark with them more easily?
 
2022-05-16 11:49:04 PM  
So it's not the neighboring counties that will see a tax increase to pay for the services previously funded by Disney, it's every tax payer in Florida. Are you telling me DeSantis did the math here and somehow the fallout from a blanket tax increase is worth it to get a hit off of that sweet, sweet STIGGINIT pipe?

/this hit is not free, idiot
 
2022-05-16 11:52:50 PM  
I like this idea.... I was a little worried when it was just going to be like 2 counties having to foot the bill. Make it the whole state, and maybe Ronnie will have pissed off too much of his base. Maybe this will be enough to get rid of this cancer.
 
2022-05-16 11:55:55 PM  
Disney is a multinational corporation. They've got so many lawyers that they could tie up ALL of Florida's courts for the next decade.

/ also...they could just leave.
 
2022-05-16 11:58:22 PM  
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"Keep Florida free" by shoving the Feelthy Queers back into the closet. Gotcha.
 
2022-05-16 11:59:59 PM  
The new US Supreme Court has replaced Facebook as Ground Zero for all this nonsense.  Every right wing activist litigator from Liberty Counsel, to DeSantis, Abbott, Cruz, every GOP AG, and countless other will use the Supreme Court as their foot in the door for outlandish schemes to break up the formal and popular institutions of the country.

Here's the flag the Rouge Six of SCOTUS will be flying soon, inside their gated secret lair with the stately marble columns out front.

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2022-05-17 12:01:15 AM  

culebra: DeSantis says Florida could take control of Disney's special district.

To be fair, he says a lot of stupid shiat.


you'd think, at this point, that the citizens of florida would be getting nervous about the stupid shiat he says.  seeing as how thats what has gotten them to this point on the brink of a state nationalization of a company.
 
2022-05-17 12:02:22 AM  
Picking a fight with Disney is the absolutely stupidest thing DeSantis could possibly do.
He clearly thinks that this will gain him the love of the Trumpsters, but there is no possible way that the average independent voter is going to appreciate him taking on Disney.

Especially when Disney itself starts putting out hit pieces on DeSantis, which they will.

Average Republicans are more than willing to indulge their hate, but not if it comes out of their own pockets.
 
2022-05-17 12:02:59 AM  

Bootleg: Without elaborating, DeSantis on Monday reiterated that Disney will be responsible for honoring its nearly $1 billion bond debt and that the company will pay its "share of taxes."

Two things:
1) They would be honoring the debt if you didn't dissolve the district. The whole issue is caused by your rash actions, ya toon.
2) Is Disney not already paying it's share of taxes? Or are you saying you're planning on raising taxes on some group that Disney belongs to?


Disney actually taxes itself at a HIGHER RATE!

This schmuck is a schmuck
 
2022-05-17 12:03:06 AM  

fragMasterFlash: So it's not the neighboring counties that will see a tax increase to pay for the services previously funded by Disney, it's every tax payer in Florida. Are you telling me DeSantis did the math here and somehow the fallout from a blanket tax increase is worth it to get a hit off of that sweet, sweet STIGGINIT pipe?

/this hit is not free, idiot


DeSatan doesn't care. He is doing this to make a name for himself on with the far right as an anti-liberal crusader. He does not care what shape this leaves the Florida in, you know Disney will take Florida to court and they have the resources and standing to win this. He is just trying to ride this to a presidential bid, Florida be damned
 
2022-05-17 12:04:25 AM  
subbySocialism is only when the OTHER party does it

You know, back in the days when conservatives still cared about maintaining at least a façade of dignity and consistency, headlines like this one seemed like awesome pointed satirical jabs that damaged their public image.

All of those old clips from the Daily Show and Colbert, where a Republican politician is shown saying the exact opposite of something he said only a year earlier were delightful and gave me hope that we might be able to embarrass these cretins into at least some degree of censure.

But these days, they just seem kind of sad.  Maybe we should try coming up with some other form of snark that actually hits them where they live.
 
2022-05-17 12:04:30 AM  

iheartscotch: Disney is a multinational corporation. They've got so many lawyers that they could tie up ALL of Florida's courts for the next decade.

/ also...they could just leave.


<warning, sharp hope/despair curve ahead>

they don't need to tie him up forever.  he'll be out of office in a few years.
when he wins the presidency on his record of being more MAGA than trump by stigginit to disney
 
2022-05-17 12:05:26 AM  

iheartscotch: Disney is a multinational corporation. They've got so many lawyers that they could tie up ALL of Florida's courts for the next decade.

/ also...they could just leave.


Yes on the courts

No on leave.

They are on 43sq miles of property.
Bigger than San Fran
Bigger than the island of Manhattan

They employ 70,000 people.
70,000 on site.

Not leaving.
 
2022-05-17 12:06:53 AM  

Mr.Insightful: Picking a fight with Disney is the absolutely stupidest thing DeSantis could possibly do.
He clearly thinks that this will gain him the love of the Trumpsters, but there is no possible way that the average independent voter is going to appreciate him taking on Disney.

Especially when

Disney itself starts putting out hit pieces on DeSantis, which they will.

Every company. Every non-Dominionist run company is going to want to get ride of him. This is a precedent they do not want.

Average Republicans are more than willing to indulge their hate, but not if it comes out of their own pockets.
 
2022-05-17 12:07:08 AM  

fngoofy: iheartscotch: Disney is a multinational corporation. They've got so many lawyers that they could tie up ALL of Florida's courts for the next decade.

/ also...they could just leave.

Yes on the courts

No on leave.

They are on 43sq miles of property.
Bigger than San Fran
Bigger than the island of Manhattan

They employ 70,000 people.
70,000 on site.

Not leaving.


Companies don't make long term investment decisions based on sunk cost fallacies.
 
2022-05-17 12:07:42 AM  
This guy really only has one gear doesn't he?

Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!!
 
2022-05-17 12:14:50 AM  
I want socialism.
 
2022-05-17 12:17:05 AM  
A corporation that trades stock at $105 per share really does not need any of us to help it. And, for the love of mouse, why the farking fark would anyone want a corporation to run a company town? This entire situation is bullshyte and there is no side worth defending. Privatizing the police is a pathway to more police violence and even more lawful ways to withold evidence, police misconduct, bias in training, etc., from courts or other scrutiny. Just saw Florida off and be done with it.
 
2022-05-17 12:18:43 AM  

Bootleg: Without elaborating, DeSantis on Monday reiterated that Disney will be responsible for honoring its nearly $1 billion bond debt and that the company will pay its "share of taxes."

Two things:
1) They would be honoring the debt if you didn't dissolve the district. The whole issue is caused by your rash actions, ya toon.
2) Is Disney not already paying it's share of taxes? Or are you saying you're planning on raising taxes on some group that Disney belongs to?


Good luck legally upholding a special tax on Disney.
 
2022-05-17 12:20:14 AM  

Mr.Insightful: Picking a fight with Disney is the absolutely stupidest thing DeSantis could possibly do.


DeSantis is going to wake up in some seedy motel with a dead hooker in the bed, then Michael Corleone will walk in to tell him it's going to be ok, so long as he shuts up and plays ball.

Special Forces operators should be explicitly banned from office. They're not right in the head.
 
2022-05-17 12:20:29 AM  
I know that all Republicans, to one extent or another, are subhuman filth, but is any Republican more of a steaming piece of subhuman filth than DeSantis?  I think not (other than of course the obvious one, and of course traitor Mitch too).
 
2022-05-17 12:21:31 AM  
The only reason a state with the population the size of Florida can afford to not have a state income tax is mostly due to the ridiculous number of tourism dollars coming in via sales and other point of purchase taxes.

As much as Disney loves money, there are 48 other states who would kill to have a Disney World on site.  Disney might just double down on their Disneyland investments and let FL stagnate til the political climate swings back in their favor.

Don't poke the billion dollar bear.
 
2022-05-17 12:22:12 AM  

fngoofy: iheartscotch: Disney is a multinational corporation. They've got so many lawyers that they could tie up ALL of Florida's courts for the next decade.

/ also...they could just leave.

Yes on the courts

No on leave.

They are on 43sq miles of property.
Bigger than San Fran
Bigger than the island of Manhattan

They employ 70,000 people.
70,000 on site.

Not leaving.


I bet you think that the Airforce also won't be forced to close at least one of Elgin, Hurlburt, Tyndall, MacDill Homestead, or Patrick, or any other AFB in a state that passes and upholds the laws that will punish trans personnel, or their dependents.  They have stated that they will support their people.  And that begins to affect staffing decisions.  Couple that with what happens if FL imposes harsh Abortion rules?  So what now, any AF staff who are assigned to FL must be on birth control... (Well, if that's still allowed) but then, if they get pregnant, they then have to what?  Ship them off to a state that won't attempt to criminalize the departure from the state to kill a babby... oh.. wait.

Consider, a company that can not control so much of the experience of the MAGIC KINGDOM, in which everything around it is supposed to be magical and wonderful?  And the area around MK is pretty darn nice.  Eventually, it will change, and it will be a more regular reflection of American Suburbia.  But then it's no longer the magic kingdom.  It is simply another theme park.  It is subtle, but it will erode, and eventually if an alternative location can be found.  Might take 10 years to do but it can be done.

/You should watch Beau
 
2022-05-17 12:23:07 AM  
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Whoever loses deserves it. Well, they all deserve lose. Dance for us DeSantis.
 
2022-05-17 12:23:48 AM  

FatherChaos: Someone should remind DerpSantis that there are plenty of bodies buried under the Magic Kingdom in California.

/under DisneyWorld is a series of connecting tunnels


*Utility Corridors.

Tunnels imply they're under ground. They're actually the original ground level. Everything you see in the parks is actually the 2nd floor.
 
2022-05-17 12:26:14 AM  

DocUi: fngoofy: iheartscotch: Disney is a multinational corporation. They've got so many lawyers that they could tie up ALL of Florida's courts for the next decade.

/ also...they could just leave.

Yes on the courts

No on leave.

They are on 43sq miles of property.
Bigger than San Fran
Bigger than the island of Manhattan

They employ 70,000 people.
70,000 on site.

Not leaving.

I bet you think....


That was rude of me, I apologize.  I shouldn't assume you think anything based on your previous assertion.

/this is fark
//but honest, no snark
///three for you for gettin down with Minnie
 
2022-05-17 12:27:16 AM  

fngoofy: iheartscotch: Disney is a multinational corporation. They've got so many lawyers that they could tie up ALL of Florida's courts for the next decade.

/ also...they could just leave.

Yes on the courts

No on leave.

They are on 43sq miles of property.
Bigger than San Fran
Bigger than the island of Manhattan

They employ 70,000 people.
70,000 on site.

Not leaving.


Let's add to the math.

4 theme parks.

2 water parks.

1 huge shopping and dining district.

30+ hotels.

30,000+ hotel rooms.

2 mini golfs.

All built over the last 50+ years. As much as I would absolutely love to see them give the ol' international relations to Florida at this point, that kind of infrastructure doesn't pop up overnight.
 
2022-05-17 12:27:22 AM  

Fart_Machine: Bootleg: Without elaborating, DeSantis on Monday reiterated that Disney will be responsible for honoring its nearly $1 billion bond debt and that the company will pay its "share of taxes."

Two things:
1) They would be honoring the debt if you didn't dissolve the district. The whole issue is caused by your rash actions, ya toon.
2) Is Disney not already paying it's share of taxes? Or are you saying you're planning on raising taxes on some group that Disney belongs to?

Good luck legally upholding a special tax on Disney.


Just void their IP ownership of all their artists' work and leisure products. Only let Disney retain ownership of items that were produced on Disney grounds, produced in collaboration with an artist they were on a work team with while they were on that work project, or submitted to Disney as a company project. Let all their astists' and artist estates recouperate all of hat artwork, brainstorming, and ideas. All ideas submitted and rejected up to this point also should be returned to the artists. I think that would count as a kind of taxation, based on Disney's own description of copyright and other IP.
 
2022-05-17 12:28:39 AM  

jclaggett: FatherChaos: Someone should remind DerpSantis that there are plenty of bodies buried under the Magic Kingdom in California.

/under DisneyWorld is a series of connecting tunnels

*Utility Corridors.

Tunnels imply they're under ground. They're actually the original ground level. Everything you see in the parks is actually the 2nd floor.


Yeah, but it's the 1st floor at Euro Disney.

/I'll see myself out
 
2022-05-17 12:28:50 AM  

jclaggett: FatherChaos: Someone should remind DerpSantis that there are plenty of bodies buried under the Magic Kingdom in California.

/under DisneyWorld is a series of connecting tunnels

*Utility Corridors.

Tunnels imply they're under ground. They're actually the original ground level. Everything you see in the parks is actually the 2nd floor.


So then, is the company's legal jurisdiction is actually twice the acreage that is being reported in the news?
 
2022-05-17 12:30:48 AM  

fragMasterFlash: So it's not the neighboring counties that will see a tax increase to pay for the services previously funded by Disney, it's every tax payer in Florida. Are you telling me DeSantis did the math here and somehow the fallout from a blanket tax increase is worth it to get a hit off of that sweet, sweet STIGGINIT pipe?

/this hit is not free, idiot


I think his actual plan is to be president by the time those debts come home to roost, then he can direct a heap of $ to Florida to bail it out of the problems he created as gov.  If he does not become president then his plan is likely a non-extradition country.
 
2022-05-17 12:30:51 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: ? This entire situation is bullshyte and there is no side worth defending.


As much as I hate saying this, Disney's "side" is worth defending. Government changing laws in order to punish a corporation for using its right to free speech to speak negatively about a law that is almost certainly unconstitutional to begin with is an absolutely chilling precedent to set and we should ALL be against it.
 
2022-05-17 12:31:43 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: jclaggett: FatherChaos: Someone should remind DerpSantis that there are plenty of bodies buried under the Magic Kingdom in California.

/under DisneyWorld is a series of connecting tunnels

*Utility Corridors.

Tunnels imply they're under ground. They're actually the original ground level. Everything you see in the parks is actually the 2nd floor.

So then, is the company's legal jurisdiction is actually twice the acreage that is being reported in the news?


Magic Kingdom park is the only one that really has the Utilidors. They build a couple at Epcot, but just decided the cost wasn't worth it.

Magic Kingdom is also one of only 2 places on the US with a fully realized AVAC system.
 
2022-05-17 12:31:59 AM  

Z-clipped: jclaggett: FatherChaos: Someone should remind DerpSantis that there are plenty of bodies buried under the Magic Kingdom in California.

/under DisneyWorld is a series of connecting tunnels

*Utility Corridors.

Tunnels imply they're under ground. They're actually the original ground level. Everything you see in the parks is actually the 2nd floor.

Yeah, but it's the 1st floor at Euro Disney.

/I'll see myself out


Hah! Good one.
 
2022-05-17 12:32:52 AM  

fngoofy: They are on 43sq miles of property.
Bigger than San Fran
Bigger than the island of Manhattan

They employ 70,000 people.
70,000 on site.

Not leaving.


*All* of the theme parks account for about 23% of Disney's income per year. It would be a hit, but they could leave, and probably write off much of the loss over the next 10 years or so.

They could burn that 43 sq miles to the ground, and have Biden declare it The Walt Disney National Park and Nature Preserve, and they'd get tax breaks for that.

It would suck for the employees, but Disney could tell them to "do the right thing" in November (i.e., vote straight Democrat) and they *might* consider staying. There's no real loyalty to the employees; the loyalty is to the major shareholders.

As I and others have pointed out, the DW infrastructure is 50 years old, and they may want to take the park in another direction. Starting in a welcoming state, with new infrastructure, and farther away from the hurricanes and rising sea levels could make it worth the time and money. Disney has to plan out 20 years in advance. Who knows, they might have already made the decision to move and are quietly buying up property somewhere else.
 
2022-05-17 12:32:59 AM  

jst3p: Bennie Crabtree: ? This entire situation is bullshyte and there is no side worth defending.

As much as I hate saying this, Disney's "side" is worth defending. Government changing laws in order to punish a corporation for using its right to free speech to speak negatively about a law that is almost certainly unconstitutional to begin with is an absolutely chilling precedent to set and we should ALL be against it.


Yes.  But let us be honest "corporate towns" should not be a thing.
 
2022-05-17 12:43:17 AM  

DocUi: I bet you think that the Airforce also won't be forced to close at least one of Elgin, Hurlburt, Tyndall, MacDill Homestead, or Patrick, or any other AFB in a state that passes and upholds the laws that will punish trans personnel, or their dependents.  They have stated that they will support their people.  And that begins to affect staffing decisions.  Couple that with what happens if FL imposes harsh Abortion rules?  So what now, any AF staff who are assigned to FL must be on birth control... (Well, if that's still allowed) but then, if they get pregnant, they then have to what?  Ship them off to a state that won't attempt to criminalize the departure from the state to kill a babby... oh.. wait.


The state of Florida has no say about what happens on a military base. That's up to the feds.

One of those bases WILLhave staff on hand to provide abortions, either surgically or through meds.

Florida legal authority ends at the fences.
 
2022-05-17 12:44:24 AM  

Langdon_777: jst3p: Bennie Crabtree: ? This entire situation is bullshyte and there is no side worth defending.

As much as I hate saying this, Disney's "side" is worth defending. Government changing laws in order to punish a corporation for using its right to free speech to speak negatively about a law that is almost certainly unconstitutional to begin with is an absolutely chilling precedent to set and we should ALL be against it.

Yes.  But let us be honest "corporate towns" should not be a thing.


While I see the potential for abuse and in general I would probably agree, I don't see that this is the case here. The arrangement seemed to be mutually beneficial to Disney and Florida for half a century. In this particular scenario it seems to make sense.
 
2022-05-17 12:46:13 AM  

The Reverend Sam Hill: [s.yimg.com image 800×533]

"Keep Florida free" by shoving the Feelthy Queers back into the closet. Gotcha.

I spy, with my little eye, two flags that violate §3 of the United States Code Title 4 Chapter 1 aka the U.S. Flag Code. How patriotic.
 
2022-05-17 12:46:19 AM  

Meatsim1: Is it because if the state has direct control he can fark with them more easily?


Republicans seek to rule not govern. They also seek to punish anyone that will not submit to their desires and wishes. The lady upset Trump was not hurting the correct people represents their true desire and it is not to make America great but to make others hurt.
 
2022-05-17 12:47:00 AM  

jclaggett: fngoofy: iheartscotch: Disney is a multinational corporation. They've got so many lawyers that they could tie up ALL of Florida's courts for the next decade.

/ also...they could just leave.

Yes on the courts

No on leave.

They are on 43sq miles of property.
Bigger than San Fran
Bigger than the island of Manhattan

They employ 70,000 people.
70,000 on site.

Not leaving.

Let's add to the math.

4 theme parks.

2 water parks.

1 huge shopping and dining district.

30+ hotels.

30,000+ hotel rooms.

2 mini golfs.

All built over the last 50+ years. As much as I would absolutely love to see them give the ol' international relations to Florida at this point, that kind of infrastructure doesn't pop up overnight.


is it when they are at the whim of what ever facist gets put in office? China Loves Disneyland and they can build it in less time.
 
2022-05-17 12:53:44 AM  

jclaggett: Let's add to the math.

4 theme parks.

2 water parks.

1 huge shopping and dining district.

30+ hotels.

30,000+ hotel rooms.

2 mini golfs.

All built over the last 50+ years. As much as I would absolutely love to see them give the ol' international relations to Florida at this point, that kind of infrastructure doesn't pop up overnight.


DW would take a hit, but they would have plenty of companies willing to buy pieces of the property, including retirement communities.

The Villages, Phase II. The residents wouldn't want all the smelly tourists around anyway. Maybe keep one of the water parks for when the grandkids come to visit.

The theme parks become half a dozen world-class golf courses, with million-dollar condos lining the perimeter of each course.

No investor would be worried about the condition of the roads or sewers; Disney has kept them state-of-the-art since Day 1.

Repurpose the hotels into apartments and condos for the snowbirds.

If you think Disney doesn't have a Plan B, C, D, or E for each and every aspect of their empire, then you don't know Disney.
 
2022-05-17 12:55:38 AM  

indy_kid: DocUi: I bet you think that the Airforce also won't be forced to close at least one of Elgin, Hurlburt, Tyndall, MacDill Homestead, or Patrick, or any other AFB in a state that passes and upholds the laws that will punish trans personnel, or their dependents.  They have stated that they will support their people.  And that begins to affect staffing decisions.  Couple that with what happens if FL imposes harsh Abortion rules?  So what now, any AF staff who are assigned to FL must be on birth control... (Well, if that's still allowed) but then, if they get pregnant, they then have to what?  Ship them off to a state that won't attempt to criminalize the departure from the state to kill a babby... oh.. wait.

The state of Florida has no say about what happens on a military base. That's up to the feds.

One of those bases WILLhave staff on hand to provide abortions, either surgically or through meds.

Florida legal authority ends at the fences.


So.  They just can't ever leave the base.

Ok.
 
2022-05-17 1:11:09 AM  

Shamwow: Meatsim1: Is it because if the state has direct control he can fark with them more easily?

Republicans seek to rule not govern. They also seek to punish anyone that will not submit to their desires and wishes. The lady upset Trump was not hurting the correct people represents their true desire and it is not to make America great but to make others hurt.


Yep. Republicans are fascists; to them, everyone else is either a tool to be used or an obstacle to be destroyed.

They'll cheer for corporations until one of them opposes the Party, even if it's just with a token gesture like Disney's pulling support after they got flak for funding bigots. The fact that Disney would almost certainly have gone back to donating as soon as they thought nobody was paying enough attention is irrelevant; they broke with the Party, therefore they are the enemy and must be destroyed.
 
2022-05-17 1:23:29 AM  

Archie Goodwin: This guy really only has one gear doesn't he?

Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!!


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