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2022-05-16 9:01:11 PM  
Twitter, Youtube, Facebook, Instagram, etc. are all highly populated with bots, how can any advertiser trust that they are getting their money's worth? Add that on metrics designed by the big tech companies that no doubt shows their engagement numbers in a positive light, no matter the real trutth, it's hard to see that advertisers really care anymore since big tech is making so much money with no end in sight.
 
2022-05-16 9:05:56 PM  
Somehow, the poop emoji isn't the dumbest tweet he's made in the last week.
 
2022-05-16 9:09:07 PM  

TotallyHeadless: Twitter, Youtube, Facebook, Instagram, etc. are all highly populated with bots, how can any advertiser trust that they are getting their money's worth? Add that on metrics designed by the big tech companies that no doubt shows their engagement numbers in a positive light, no matter the real trutth, it's hard to see that advertisers really care anymore since big tech is making so much money with no end in sight.


The twitter CEO's answer was, from a technical point of view, accurate.
As long as Twitter has developer-accessible APIs, they will have an uncontrolled bots. Period. Full stop. End of story.

Getting rid of those developer-accessible APIs would cripple their blue-check userbase, on account of most of them using external tools to tweet/schedule tweets/etc, and thereby lose them a huge portion of their audience.

Ergo: We won't see bots going away any time soon, and Elon Musk just gave the "maturity of a seven year old" equivalent to any middle manager's reaction after being told that what he's asking is impossible by people who know better. It doesn't mean he's going to get what he wants. It just makes him not only ignorant, but immature.
 
2022-05-16 9:09:16 PM  
Musk is trying to create a case for pulling out of the deal without losing a billion dollars.  Most likely the buyout nonsense was an elaborate bluff to force Twitter to reinstate hair fuhrer.
 
2022-05-16 9:09:27 PM  
"...world's richest person on paper..."
Exactly.
 
2022-05-16 9:19:37 PM  
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2022-05-16 9:28:30 PM  

Ganon D. Mire: & # 1 2 8 1 6 9 ;
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2022-05-16 9:30:37 PM  
Sorry I'm extremely dumb... what do spam bots have to do with anything?
- are people creating bots to click ads to scam advertisers? or increase their follower and engagement numbers?
- are there so many bots spaming it is obvious and causes a terrible user experience? And Twitter is powerless/refuses to do something about it?

/Or is this a ploy by Elon to get out of the deal and avoid the $1b fine by claiming that Twitter lied on an SEC filing?
//But if it was a public filing wouldn't it have been subject to a third party audit?
///my $5 says Elon is losing $1b when he pulls out of the deal
 
2022-05-16 9:31:27 PM  
Cpc advertisers don't care, they measure effectiveness on clicks/conversions anyway. Cpm advertisers might care but they deal with the same garbage on every platform. If you're running cpm you're either sophisticated enough to deal with it or measure your ad budget in truckloads anyway.
 
2022-05-16 9:54:23 PM  
Elon Musk - world's biggest shitposter.

/literally
 
2022-05-16 9:58:03 PM  

Fart And Smunny: TotallyHeadless: The twitter CEO's answer was, from a technical point of view, accurate. As long as Twitter has developer-accessible APIs, they will have an uncontrolled bots. Period. Full stop. End of story.

Getting rid of those developer-accessible APIs would cripple their blue-check userbase, on account of most of them using external tools to tweet/schedule tweets/etc, and thereby lose them a huge portion of their audience.

Ergo: We won't see bots going away any time soon, and Elon Musk just gave the "maturity of a seven year old" equivalent to any middle manager's reaction after being told that what he's asking is impossible by people who know better. It doesn't mean he's going to get what he wants. It just makes him not only ignorant, but immature.


I've always wondered why Twitter can't just add that functionality themselves to their app/website and even charge for it. Why are they farming these often used features out to third party developers?
 
2022-05-16 9:59:20 PM  
Are we supposed to believe advertisers don't know about all the bots?
 
2022-05-16 10:04:58 PM  
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2022-05-16 10:15:12 PM  

DayeOfJustice: Fart And Smunny: TotallyHeadless: The twitter CEO's answer was, from a technical point of view, accurate. As long as Twitter has developer-accessible APIs, they will have an uncontrolled bots. Period. Full stop. End of story.

Getting rid of those developer-accessible APIs would cripple their blue-check userbase, on account of most of them using external tools to tweet/schedule tweets/etc, and thereby lose them a huge portion of their audience.

Ergo: We won't see bots going away any time soon, and Elon Musk just gave the "maturity of a seven year old" equivalent to any middle manager's reaction after being told that what he's asking is impossible by people who know better. It doesn't mean he's going to get what he wants. It just makes him not only ignorant, but immature.

I've always wondered why Twitter can't just add that functionality themselves to their app/website and even charge for it. Why are they farming these often used features out to third party developers?


Because having someone develop something for you for free is much cheaper than developing it yourself, in general. :)

Certainly, that doesn't bar a change in any direction, but that's the usual reason. Perhaps the cost of development and upkeep is will eventually or soon be the lower potential cost.
 
2022-05-16 10:21:24 PM  
... got a bit word jumbled there, but I think my meaning was still clear.
 
2022-05-16 10:29:44 PM  
It's like two dogs fighting over who gets to eat the turd. Fark Twitter and Fark Elon Musk.
 
2022-05-16 10:54:08 PM  

TotallyHeadless: Ganon D. Mire: & # 1 2 8 1 6 9 ;
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/You learn something new everyday!


If you have windows, 🪟+. will bring up the emoji picker and you can just type poop to access that same one. It gives you access to pretty much every Unicode character.
 
2022-05-16 11:08:20 PM  

Lexx: Musk is trying to create a case for pulling out of the deal without losing a billion dollars.  Most likely the buyout nonsense was an elaborate bluff to force Twitter to reinstate hair fuhrer.


He's doing a poor job of it. His lawyers are probably screaming at him to keep mouth shut. P
 
2022-05-16 11:57:44 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: TotallyHeadless: Ganon D. Mire: & # 1 2 8 1 6 9 ;
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/You learn something new everyday!

If you have windows, 🪟+. will bring up the emoji picker and you can just type poop to access that same one. It gives you access to pretty much every Unicode character.


That works on Windows, but what about on your ☎ (9742)
...wait... er... I mean 📱 (128241)

Also, the two of us using 🐧 (128039)
(I wonder who that one other person may be)
 
2022-05-17 12:21:32 AM  
Gee. I wonder if both Elon and Twitter BOTH wish this offer never happened? What a farking douche.
 
2022-05-17 12:22:16 AM  

TotallyHeadless: Ganon D. Mire: & # 1 2 8 1 6 9 ;
gives you 💩 on Fark if you remove the spaces
(just thought you should know)

💩

/You learn something new everyday!


If this works, then knowledge of how to triforce can be used to...

POOPFORCE
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2022-05-17 12:35:44 AM  

Twilight Farkle: TotallyHeadless: Ganon D. Mire: & # 1 2 8 1 6 9 ;
gives you 💩 on Fark if you remove the spaces
(just thought you should know)

💩

/You learn something new everyday!

If this works, then knowledge of how to triforce can be used to...

POOPFORCE
  💩  
💩 💩


I just don't understand how someone can be so successful, so fortunate... and then just smear shiat on the walls in public every few months without being hopelessly embarrassed about it.
 
2022-05-17 1:10:07 AM  

Fart And Smunny: DayeOfJustice: Fart And Smunny: TotallyHeadless: The twitter CEO's answer was, from a technical point of view, accurate. As long as Twitter has developer-accessible APIs, they will have an uncontrolled bots. Period. Full stop. End of story.

Getting rid of those developer-accessible APIs would cripple their blue-check userbase, on account of most of them using external tools to tweet/schedule tweets/etc, and thereby lose them a huge portion of their audience.

Ergo: We won't see bots going away any time soon, and Elon Musk just gave the "maturity of a seven year old" equivalent to any middle manager's reaction after being told that what he's asking is impossible by people who know better. It doesn't mean he's going to get what he wants. It just makes him not only ignorant, but immature.

I've always wondered why Twitter can't just add that functionality themselves to their app/website and even charge for it. Why are they farming these often used features out to third party developers?

Because having someone develop something for you for free is much cheaper than developing it yourself, in general. :)

Certainly, that doesn't bar a change in any direction, but that's the usual reason. Perhaps the cost of development and upkeep is will eventually or soon be the lower potential cost.


Makes sense. However if the aim is to get rid of bots and have more control over the platform, Twitter building these features themselves makes sense long-term. My guess is they don't want to get rid of the bots because then the true user base numbers would be revealed and it's likely alot less than everyone thinks. For it to impact advertising, business models, and public perception, it would have to be over 35%-40% of the users that are bots.

And how much development does Twitter do? They rarely add user-facing features to the platform and take forever to even implement any changes at all. Microsoft, Google, and even Facebook implement far bigger changes much faster. Can Twitter even be considered a tech company on the level of those others I wonder?
 
2022-05-17 1:32:39 AM  

JohnBigBootay: Twilight Farkle: TotallyHeadless: Ganon D. Mire: & # 1 2 8 1 6 9 ;
gives you 💩 on Fark if you remove the spaces
(just thought you should know)

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/You learn something new everyday!

If this works, then knowledge of how to triforce can be used to...

POOPFORCE
 💩  
💩 💩

I just don't understand how someone can be so successful, so fortunate... and then just smear shiat on the walls in public every few months without being hopelessly embarrassed about it.


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2022-05-17 3:27:24 AM  

Mr. Eugenides: TotallyHeadless: Ganon D. Mire: & # 1 2 8 1 6 9 ;
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(just thought you should know)

💩

/You learn something new everyday!

If you have windows, 🪟+. will bring up the emoji picker and you can just type poop to access that same one. It gives you access to pretty much every Unicode character.


My life has been made richer by your being in this thread today.

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2022-05-17 5:50:30 AM  

JohnBigBootay: I just don't understand how someone can be so successful, so fortunate... and then just smear shiat on the walls in public every few months without being hopelessly embarrassed about it.


He believes that his success & fortune were solely his doing, as opposed to piggybacking off of other peoples' work. Factor in that he probably had his pampered butt kissed his whole life & that's how you end up with a 50-something edgelord  techbro who thinks everything he does is interesting.
 
2022-05-17 7:37:54 AM  
Technically it's an ice cream emoji.
 
2022-05-17 7:49:05 AM  
I'll bet he learned it from Amber.
 
2022-05-17 7:57:29 AM  

A Room Full of Angry Raccoons: JohnBigBootay: I just don't understand how someone can be so successful, so fortunate... and then just smear shiat on the walls in public every few months without being hopelessly embarrassed about it.

He believes that his success & fortune were solely his doing, as opposed to piggybacking off of other peoples' work. Factor in that he probably had his pampered butt kissed his whole life & that's how you end up with a 50-something edgelord  techbro who thinks everything he does is interesting.


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2022-05-17 8:21:17 AM  

stuhayes2010: Technically it's an ice cream emoji.


It is shaped like a perfectly made soft serve. I always thought a poop emoji should look more like a lumpy sausage. Yknow, something like:

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2022-05-17 10:51:43 AM  

DayeOfJustice: Makes sense. However if the aim is to get rid of bots and have more control over the platform, Twitter building these features themselves makes sense long-term. My guess is they don't want to get rid of the bots because then the true user base numbers would be revealed and it's likely alot less than everyone thinks. For it to impact advertising, business models, and public perception, it would have to be over 35%-40% of the users that are bots.


There's a lot in there.
They likely still develop on Twitter, simply because bugs happen - However, it's a very mature system, so development is likely confined to keeping up to date with systems/browsers and the bugs that ensue from that.
As it is right now, there's no way for them to get a full accounting for how many bots there are on the system other than analyzing the behavior of accounts - bots don't look appreciably different from human users other than by their behavior. I suspect their estimate is a lowball, but that is just gut feeling and not based on anything.
You may be right that since their stock is largely valued on their user base, they really don't want to know how many bots there are - Alternatively, they may just not want to fork over the cost and PR hassle of cutting off APIs and hiring a team of internal developers to expand the capabilities of their apps into more what tweetdeck, etc. have, as both would be substantial.

Lastly - It's worthy of note that just closing off APIs would even then not get rid of all of their bots. Things like browser automation would still leave avenues, albeit more challenging ones, for those who make bots.

I think it's always a good thing to keep in mind, granted different technology in play, that Blizzard has been trying to shut down bots in their system for nearly 20 years now, and has failed. It's just not as easy a thing as Musk thinks it is.
 
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