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2022-05-16 12:36:59 PM  
"We're in a cancel culture right now,"

No, we're not.  We're just calling out assholes for asshole behavior now instead of letting them continue to get away with it because they're famous.
 
2022-05-16 1:00:36 PM  

The Weekend Baker: "We're in a cancel culture right now,"

No, we're not.  We're just calling out assholes for asshole behavior now instead of letting them continue to get away with it because they're famous.


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2022-05-16 1:02:44 PM  
"There have been many situations out here, and in sports, where a player might have done something wrong, sure we can all agree, but I would rather be in an environment where it's a forgiveness culture, not a cancel culture.
I'm going to screw up. I know I'm going to screw up. I'm going to say things I don't mean, or say things in the moment that sound bad, and I would hope people give me the benefit of doubt. And yeah, there should be consequences for when we screw up, but I don't think it should be as much as we've seen where it's like 'Hey, you're out. You're gone."


Ok. At the moment, we're still in the "consequences" phase with Phil.  Once he's sincerely admitted his errors and done meaningful work to remedy them, we'll get to the "forgiveness" phase.  But so far, he hasn't.  You're not entitled to forgiveness when you fark up; it's something that you have to earn.

He's candidly said that he'd be willing to look past the Saudis' horribleness if it means that he can stick it to the PGA, and he's doubled and tripled down on that position since.  People who don't share that mercenary opinion are rightfully turning their back on him.  If he wants those peoples' respect, he'll repent.  If he doesn't -- and it seems like he doesn't -- he'll stay the course.
 
2022-05-16 1:07:32 PM  

The Weekend Baker: "We're in a cancel culture right now,"

No, we're not.  We're just calling out assholes for asshole behavior now instead of letting them continue to get away with it because they're famous.


One of my favorite takes on this...

LeVar Burton schools Meghan McCain on 'cancel culture'
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2022-05-16 1:08:45 PM  

Uzzah: "There have been many situations out here, and in sports, where a player might have done something wrong, sure we can all agree, but I would rather be in an environment where it's a forgiveness culture, not a cancel culture.
I'm going to screw up. I know I'm going to screw up. I'm going to say things I don't mean, or say things in the moment that sound bad, and I would hope people give me the benefit of doubt. And yeah, there should be consequences for when we screw up, but I don't think it should be as much as we've seen where it's like 'Hey, you're out. You're gone."

Ok. At the moment, we're still in the "consequences" phase with Phil.  Once he's sincerely admitted his errors and done meaningful work to remedy them, we'll get to the "forgiveness" phase.  But so far, he hasn't.  You're not entitled to forgiveness when you fark up; it's something that you have to earn.

He's candidly said that he'd be willing to look past the Saudis' horribleness if it means that he can stick it to the PGA, and he's doubled and tripled down on that position since.  People who don't share that mercenary opinion are rightfully turning their back on him.  If he wants those peoples' respect, he'll repent.  If he doesn't -- and it seems like he doesn't -- he'll stay the course.


"yeah of course there should be consequences."
"no not those consequences."
 
2022-05-16 1:09:24 PM  
FROG jam  >  FIGJAM

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2022-05-16 1:12:38 PM  
Phil Mickelson is the traditional slimy PGA teaching pro, just on the Tour.  He is the guy that gives your wife a lesson by wrapping his arms around her from behind for half an hour.  Never trusted him and he is always in it for no one but himself.  Rotten to the core.
 
2022-05-16 1:12:44 PM  
I'm surprised the article doesn't mention a big reason Phil isn't playing this week. The unauthorized bio by the writer who broke the Saudi story drops Wednesday. I would imagine there will be a few more things in the book that Phil doesn't want to be questioned about.
 
2022-05-16 1:13:45 PM  
Figwit still going strong...
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2022-05-16 1:19:13 PM  
"They're scary motherf---ers to get involved with... They killed [Washington Post reporter and U.S. resident Jamal] Khashoggi and have a horrible record on human rights. They execute people over there for being gay. Knowing all of this, why would I even consider it? Because this is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to"

...make a buck. And that's really all you need to know about everything Phil Mickelson. He's worked hard to craft a persona, and it's always been a thin veneer if you were willing to look hard enough.
 
2022-05-16 1:19:22 PM  
ToeJam > FIGJAM

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2022-05-16 1:24:21 PM  

Uzzah: You're not entitled to forgiveness when you fark up; it's something that you have to earn.


The other important thing about this statement is that the perpetrator does not get to determine when forgiveness is earned. The overwhelming majority of people mew mew mewing about cancel culture think they're entitled to forgiveness because they gave a half-assed apology and asked everyone to forget what they said.

He doesn't get to decide when he's earned forgiveness. That's not how it works.
 
2022-05-16 1:24:40 PM  
I remember that back in the aughts I was constantly reading about how Mickelson was the most disliked guy in the locker room.
 
2022-05-16 1:28:20 PM  
Despite his "aw shucks, i'm just an everyman like you guys, I just got a few breaks here and there" public facade, said to be be despised by legion on the tour, who know the real Phil.
 
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2022-05-16 1:50:37 PM  
Phil is a good golfer. He is an entertainer. That's it.

Why would anyone look to this guy for anything else? Politics? Nope. Business? Nope.

Phil. Is. Just. A. Golfer. Oh yes, and a stunning moron.
 
2022-05-16 1:56:23 PM  
"We're in a cancel culture right now," said Webb Simpson, (.................)but I would rather be in an environment where it's a forgiveness culture, not a cancel culture.

Thanks for your insight, Webb. It's cool of you to squeeze some kind of religious reference in there, just as with every interview you do.
 
2022-05-16 2:05:22 PM  

mjg: Phil is a good golfer. He is an entertainer. That's it.

Why would anyone look to this guy for anything else? Politics? Nope. Business? Nope.

Phil. Is. Just. A. Golfer. Oh yes, and a stunning moron.


He somehow got away w/ $40M in gambling losses for a long time. I'm morbidly curious how you'd go about doing something like that.
 
2022-05-16 2:09:46 PM  
If he came out and said "hey, I lost $40 million gambling and I found a shortcut to recouping that" people would dislike him but move on.

But all this weasel word bullshiat just makes people enjoy it that much more and gleeful at every new revelation.
 
2022-05-16 2:11:00 PM  

snowybunting: "We're in a cancel culture right now," said Webb Simpson, (.................)but I would rather be in an environment where it's a forgiveness culture, not a cancel culture.

Thanks for your insight, Webb. It's cool of you to squeeze some kind of religious reference in there, just as with every interview you do.


We're in cancel find out cultureright now, but I would rather be in an environment where it's a forgiveness not farking around culture.
 
2022-05-16 2:20:32 PM  
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2022-05-16 2:36:14 PM  

JS64: I remember that back in the aughts I was constantly reading about how Mickelson was the most disliked guy in the locker room.


Yep.  That's where his nickname came from.  At the same time, while Phil was the media darling, the most liked guy in the clubhouse was Vijay Singh, whom the press hated.  It was only years after that people learned how Singh was funny, always available for a chat and would even take rookies to dinner if they made the cut to give them advice on what the weekend would be like.
 
2022-05-16 2:44:02 PM  

BlackCloudofDespair: Phil Mickelson is the traditional slimy PGA teaching pro, just on the Tour.  He is the guy that gives your wife a lesson by wrapping his arms around her from behind for half an hour.  Never trusted him and he is always in it for no one but himself.  Rotten to the core.


He went to HS with one of my besties, and she always called him a sex pest and a golf geek. Nothing good to say about him.
 
2022-05-16 2:52:31 PM  

Flappyhead: JS64: I remember that back in the aughts I was constantly reading about how Mickelson was the most disliked guy in the locker room.

Yep.  That's where his nickname came from.  At the same time, while Phil was the media darling, the most liked guy in the clubhouse was Vijay Singh, whom the press hated.  It was only years after that people learned how Singh was funny, always available for a chat and would even take rookies to dinner if they made the cut to give them advice on what the weekend would be like.


I remember when Phil and Vijay almost got on a fist fight in the lock room. At the time I thought Vijay (who had been suspended for cheating) was a huge a-hole. A couple of years later a guy I knew caddied for Vijay at a pro-am. I was shocked when he said that Vijay was incredibly humble and just an all around nice guy. It then dawned on me that maybe Phil wasn't what the media made him out to be.
 
2022-05-16 4:33:01 PM  

baorao: If he came out and said "hey, I lost $40 million gambling and I found a shortcut to recouping that" people would dislike him but move on.

But all this weasel word bullshiat just makes people enjoy it that much more and gleeful at every new revelation.


1) The truth is often the hardest thing to say for people.
2) Saying "FIGJAM, babay!" like George Costanza might is extremely enjoyable after making a great golf shot, so I'm glad his nickname exists
3) Not that I talk sh*t in any other way
4) Not that I've had multiple occasions to say that in sports :-/
 
2022-05-16 6:31:10 PM  
I've never liked him. He's an Eddie Haskell.

He's "Pupy Kicker" in my house. When my daughter was maybe two or three I was watching golf and she was in the room. I said something about not liking him. She asked me why.  I didn't want to explain it to a toddler, so I just said he kicks puppies.

She's now 14, and when she walks by the room while I'm watching golf and Phil is on, she just mutters, "puppy kicker".
 
2022-05-16 6:48:18 PM  
I mean sure, that country is pretty horrible but the US does some pretty shiatty things too.  Look at all the homeless people, the price of live saving medicine etc.
 
2022-05-17 7:41:53 AM  

hughesrep: I've never liked him. He's an Eddie Haskell.

He's "Pupy Kicker" in my house. When my daughter was maybe two or three I was watching golf and she was in the room. I said something about not liking him. She asked me why.  I didn't want to explain it to a toddler, so I just said he kicks puppies.

She's now 14, and when she walks by the room while I'm watching golf and Phil is on, she just mutters, "puppy kicker".


I feel less of a parent for not having taught my children to do this.  Well done.
 
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