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(Car and Driver)   2023 Nissan Z first drive: 400hp twin-turbo V6 for $41K, not bad considering it's built on a 20 year old platform   (caranddriver.com) divider line
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2022-05-16 3:59:10 AM  
The Z cars have always been about a relatively affordable, sporty ride, not super car wannabe.
 
2022-05-16 5:12:29 AM  
Meh.  I've owned a 350Z and currently have a 370Z, and I'm not impressed with this new one.  I never did like the taillight styling of the 300Z which this has returned to.  And the Z has done very well for almost 20 years without turbos.  A return to complex twin turbos with their rube goldberg intercooling makes me sad.  Nobody needs that complexity and unreliability.  I'm not crazy about the blocky interior styling, either.
 
2022-05-16 5:17:53 AM  
Just like the Democratic party!

/runs
 
2022-05-16 5:35:47 AM  
I like the exterior styling. That, and it's not some crazy 90K+ price.
 
2022-05-16 7:28:55 AM  
How's the gas mileage?
 
2022-05-16 7:30:35 AM  
It's not ugly, and that's a good start.  But turbos were always optional on the Z.
 
2022-05-16 7:44:57 AM  

Mad Scientist: Meh.  I've owned a 350Z and currently have a 370Z, and I'm not impressed with this new one.  I never did like the taillight styling of the 300Z which this has returned to.  And the Z has done very well for almost 20 years without turbos.  A return to complex twin turbos with their rube goldberg intercooling makes me sad.  Nobody needs that complexity and unreliability.  I'm not crazy about the blocky interior styling, either.


They have been running these motors for years in Infinitis. Only 20% of this car is new, reliability should be fine. Still don't want one, I like my sports cars to be the proper size.
 
2022-05-16 7:47:51 AM  
I'll go sit it one - see if I fit.

/Too tall for many cars
//It'll be this or another 86.
 
2022-05-16 8:22:30 AM  
The comments on the story talk a lot about heritage. Heritage would mean inline 6.
 
2022-05-16 8:38:51 AM  
I remember the feeding frenzy when the 240Z hit the market.  You put your money down and took whatever color was available when your number came up.  There's no other explanation for Burnt Orange.
 
2022-05-16 8:45:50 AM  

natazha: I remember the feeding frenzy when the 240Z hit the market.  You put your money down and took whatever color was available when your number came up.  There's no other explanation for Burnt Orange.


Ugh... Remember the Aztec? Something about seeing that color on that vehicle made me hate it with the intensity of a million burning suns. To this day, I see burnt orange, and I feel ill because it makes me remember that piece of sh*t.
 
2022-05-16 8:53:39 AM  

mehhhhhh: The comments on the story talk a lot about heritage. Heritage would mean inline 6.


Heritage would be an inline 6 on a Skyline. The only real reason the Z cars didn't have a V6 from the start is because Nissan didn't start building a V6 until the early '80s, so an inline was the only choice. The Skyline always had an inline though; it's basically what the RB existed to power. Of course they dropped the RB in the early '00s and didn't offer a replacement which is one reason why a good number of people don't consider the R35, with its VQ series V6, to be a "real" Skyline. The VQ and its successors such as the VR in this new Z car are fantastic powerplants which is some consolation but there's nothing quite the same as an inline 6. They're just difficult to package and Nissan doesnt have the money to drop on developing a low-volume boutique engine, so we're stuck with the more broadly usable V6 instead.

Honestly would you rather go the new Supra route and stuff a BMW unit in there just to get an inline 6? I wouldn't. If i wanted a BMW, I'd buy a BMW. But I want a Nissan, so a VR series V6 will have to do.
 
2022-05-16 10:08:42 AM  

mehhhhhh: The comments on the story talk a lot about heritage. Heritage would mean inline 6.


Hasn't been an inline-6 for like 30+ years, so it's not much heritage.
 
2022-05-16 10:12:38 AM  
Saw a 240Z yesterday. Stinky. We all reminisced about how all cars used to spew stinky exhaust and how none of us missed it.
 
2022-05-16 11:09:22 AM  

Mad Scientist: Meh.  I've owned a 350Z and currently have a 370Z, and I'm not impressed with this new one.  I never did like the taillight styling of the 300Z which this has returned to.  And the Z has done very well for almost 20 years without turbos.  A return to complex twin turbos with their rube goldberg intercooling makes me sad.  Nobody needs that complexity and unreliability.  I'm not crazy about the blocky interior styling, either.


Money out the tailpipe
 
2022-05-16 11:36:27 AM  
"Looking at the car in person under a blue sky, we can easily see that the designers nailed it"

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2022-05-16 11:43:53 AM  

SecondaryControl: I'll go sit it one - see if I fit.

/Too tall for many cars
//It'll be this or another 86.


Z cars are good up to 6'4" minimum.  Height, that is.  Width not so much.
 
2022-05-16 11:44:23 AM  

Autoerotic Defenestration: "Looking at the car in person under a blue sky, we can easily see that the designers nailed it"

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The old one had a better motor.
 
kab
2022-05-16 2:10:05 PM  
Test drove a 350z years back (wound up buying something else), but was pleasantly surprised at how 'fun' the car felt.

I don't like the styling on this, it's pretty inconsistent from front to back.  Overall though, it's a solid car for the mone.... oh wait, these are going to be marked up out the ass, because dealers are your friend.   Nevermind.
 
2022-05-16 2:48:22 PM  
What's wrong with the V6?

Do you know how insanely hard it is to make a I6 that'll pass modern ...everything and get good enough milage for someone to want one in their car?  BMW had to go to direct injection to keep theirs competitive and my Jeeps gets a whopping.. 12 MPG.   Inline 6 are not ... inherently good layouts.  Also they're long, so they are heavy since they have to make them extra stiff  to prevent twisting  and then they break their exhaust manifold pretty routinely anyway (Even my 5.9 Cummins have a voracious exhaust manifold appetite, so don't blame Jeep).  Plus the previously mentioned runner length issue....


I mean, you like them, you like them - but what a weird thing to get hung up on.
 
2022-05-16 4:39:56 PM  
 
2022-05-16 4:41:48 PM  

PadreScout: What's wrong with the V6?


Nothing. Haters wanna hate is what.

I say this as Chrysler is debuting the 3.0 twin-turbo "Hurricane" engine that's going to replace their Hemi V-8 engines...
 
2022-05-16 5:00:00 PM  

Mad Scientist: twin turbos


Turbocharged engines beat/cheat the fuel economy tests and for emissions this one is already certified on other vehicles. It's either this engine or no Z car sold.
 
2022-05-16 8:22:06 PM  
an electric one would blow its doors off
 
2022-05-16 8:38:47 PM  

DarnoKonrad: an electric one would blow its doors off


Silently and without emotion.
 
2022-05-16 11:12:56 PM  

natazha: I remember the feeding frenzy when the 240Z hit the market.  You put your money down and took whatever color was available when your number came up.  There's no other explanation for Burnt Orange.


That color was technically "Persimmon Red".  I had one, but I thought the 240Z looked best in yellow.
 
2022-05-17 2:09:22 AM  

sensitive yet dangerous: mehhhhhh: The comments on the story talk a lot about heritage. Heritage would mean inline 6.

Heritage would be an inline 6 on a Skyline. The only real reason the Z cars didn't have a V6 from the start is because Nissan didn't start building a V6 until the early '80s, so an inline was the only choice. The Skyline always had an inline though; it's basically what the RB existed to power. Of course they dropped the RB in the early '00s and didn't offer a replacement which is one reason why a good number of people don't consider the R35, with its VQ series V6, to be a "real" Skyline. The VQ and its successors such as the VR in this new Z car are fantastic powerplants which is some consolation but there's nothing quite the same as an inline 6. They're just difficult to package and Nissan doesnt have the money to drop on developing a low-volume boutique engine, so we're stuck with the more broadly usable V6 instead.

Honestly would you rather go the new Supra route and stuff a BMW unit in there just to get an inline 6? I wouldn't. If i wanted a BMW, I'd buy a BMW. But I want a Nissan, so a VR series V6 will have to do.


6 in a row, ready to tow!
 
2022-05-17 5:36:49 AM  

sensitive yet dangerous: mehhhhhh: The comments on the story talk a lot about heritage. Heritage would mean inline 6.

Heritage would be an inline 6 on a Skyline. The only real reason the Z cars didn't have a V6 from the start is because Nissan didn't start building a V6 until the early '80s, so an inline was the only choice. The Skyline always had an inline though; it's basically what the RB existed to power. Of course they dropped the RB in the early '00s and didn't offer a replacement which is one reason why a good number of people don't consider the R35, with its VQ series V6, to be a "real" Skyline. The VQ and its successors such as the VR in this new Z car are fantastic powerplants which is some consolation but there's nothing quite the same as an inline 6. They're just difficult to package and Nissan doesnt have the money to drop on developing a low-volume boutique engine, so we're stuck with the more broadly usable V6 instead.

Honestly would you rather go the new Supra route and stuff a BMW unit in there just to get an inline 6? I wouldn't. If i wanted a BMW, I'd buy a BMW. But I want a Nissan, so a VR series V6 will have to do.


The Nissan RB is quite large and heavy, and a pain to heat/cool (dynamically): Its quite interesting to look at the warmup maps between the VG (v6 of the same era) and a RB.

I burn through a whole liter of fuel just to get to work on mine, the warmup cycle is horrible. Its something I never have quite worked out.

However they are supersmooth and last for ever: I'm up to around 240k's on my engine at the moment (total on the block is 505k's). Pity the gearboxes never lasted that long.
 
2022-05-17 5:38:46 AM  

mrmopar5287: mehhhhhh: The comments on the story talk a lot about heritage. Heritage would mean inline 6.

Hasn't been an inline-6 for like 30+ years, so it's not much heritage.


RB?
 
2022-05-17 10:36:44 AM  

Boomstickz: mrmopar5287: mehhhhhh: The comments on the story talk a lot about heritage. Heritage would mean inline 6.

Hasn't been an inline-6 for like 30+ years, so it's not much heritage.

RB?


I was referring to the Z cars. The Z31 (300ZX) was the last one that offered an inline-6 and that was only in Japan, so no one in the USA has seen a Z car with an inline-6 for about 40 years.
 
2022-05-17 11:13:20 AM  

mrmopar5287: I say this as Chrysler is debuting the 3.0 twin-turbo "Hurricane" engine that's going to replace their Hemi V-8 engines...


I wish people would stop calling the current engines "Hemi"


They're not. We all know it. Why do you go along with it?
 
2022-05-17 11:50:45 AM  
At least they made the door handles attractive this time.
 
2022-05-17 1:56:55 PM  

PadreScout: mrmopar5287: I say this as Chrysler is debuting the 3.0 twin-turbo "Hurricane" engine that's going to replace their Hemi V-8 engines...

I wish people would stop calling the current engines "Hemi"


They're not. We all know it. Why do you go along with it?


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2022-05-17 4:28:17 PM  

mrmopar5287: Boomstickz: mrmopar5287: mehhhhhh: The comments on the story talk a lot about heritage. Heritage would mean inline 6.

Hasn't been an inline-6 for like 30+ years, so it's not much heritage.

RB?

I was referring to the Z cars. The Z31 (300ZX) was the last one that offered an inline-6 and that was only in Japan, so no one in the USA has seen a Z car with an inline-6 for about 40 years.


Yeah the 200zr with at wierd topmost intercollegiate on the RB20 NICS motor
 
kab
2022-05-17 6:00:51 PM  

mrmopar5287: Automatic transmission gets you a louder muffler: https://jalopnik.com/the-2023-nissan-z-gets-a-louder-exhaust-with-the-automa-1848892692/amp


The no-skill drivers get to announce themselves loudly.  Good to know.
 
kab
2022-05-17 6:10:52 PM  

DarnoKonrad: an electric one would blow its doors off


Settle down, Elon.
 
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