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2022-05-15 10:26:56 PM  
Lot more than I expected, TBH.
 
2022-05-15 10:32:58 PM  
FTFA: "The overarching trend in the car world has been that the manual transmission is on the way out."

That was indeed the trend 20 years ago. Today it's that the internal combustion engine is on the way out.
 
2022-05-15 10:35:40 PM  

Fursecution: Lot more than I expected, TBH.


Yeah, since the 1970s I have known that automatics are the norm.

And I have never owned one. Bought my most recent stick 10 months ago.
 
2022-05-15 10:38:19 PM  
Back in 1972, I had a heck of a time special ordering a car with a manual transmission. I even took the first salesman over to one they had on the lot (had an automatic) and pointed out "Standard Equipment: 4-speed manual transmission" and asked him for a signed statement on company letterhead saying they would not sell a car with standard equipment.  He backed down.  Then he added AM/FM radio to the order. I took it from him, tore it in half and moved over to the next salesperson's desk. I sat down and told her I was having trouble special ordering a car the way I wanted it. She put down exactly what I told her. Meanwhile the guy tried dragging the manager in because SHE was stealing his sale.  The manager, I guess, had heard enough (I was a bit loud) and just laughed.

I will give the first guy this. When I came in six weeks later to pick the car up, he apologized and said he had ordered two additional cars with manuals for people. The saleswoman told me they could have sold mine ten times in the two weeks is was on the lot.

But in 2004 the van I bought wasn't even available in the US with a manual and could not be ordered.
 
2022-05-15 10:48:03 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: FTFA: "The overarching trend in the car world has been that the manual transmission is on the way out."

That was indeed the trend 20 years ago. Today it's that the internal combustion engine is on the way out.


Yeah, I love my manual Crosstrek but I know it'll be my last stick shift. When it finally dies, I'll be going electric.
 
2022-05-15 11:05:13 PM  

Eskurido: Mr. Eugenides: FTFA: "The overarching trend in the car world has been that the manual transmission is on the way out."

That was indeed the trend 20 years ago. Today it's that the internal combustion engine is on the way out.

Yeah, I love my manual Crosstrek but I know it'll be my last stick shift. When it finally dies, I'll be going electric.


Get an electric with a manual. Row that Prius!
 
2022-05-15 11:08:43 PM  
If I ever switch to working from home exclusively I might treat myself to a Toyota Tacoma with a manual transmission. I can't see spending two hours a day putting bumper to bumper traffic wear and tear on a vehicle like that.
 
2022-05-15 11:11:33 PM  

fragMasterFlash: Toyota Tacoma with a manual transmission


The engine uses the Atkinson cycle with the variable valve timing. It's a bad powertrain pairing and you won't like it unless you invest in tuning the engine to disable that.
 
2022-05-15 11:19:20 PM  
I'm currently looking for a new car, and I refuse to drive auto.  Its like a needle in a haystack.

I test drove the new WRX last week.  It was pretty solid.  No one had an Elantra N, Vesloster, Civic Si, Golf R or Mazda 3 in stock.
 
2022-05-16 12:00:24 AM  
So if I want power to all 4 wheels and a stick, my options are a Subaru, a Ford, or two Jeeps?
 
2022-05-16 12:05:42 AM  
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2022-05-16 12:08:31 AM  

krispos42: So if I want power to all 4 wheels and a stick, my options are a Subaru, a Ford, or two Jeeps?


Or you could go my route and convert a Jeep to electric, preserving the transfer case and transmission.

/ or not, it's a ton of work.
 
2022-05-16 12:12:41 AM  

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You brag about tying your own shoelaces?
 
2022-05-16 12:22:57 AM  

mrmopar5287: fragMasterFlash: Toyota Tacoma with a manual transmission

The engine uses the Atkinson cycle with the variable valve timing. It's a bad powertrain pairing and you won't like it unless you invest in tuning the engine to disable that.


I was unfamiliar with that engine cycle. Or I had forgotten about it. Thanks for sending me to the Wiki to get a bit of knowledge. It appears to be prominent in hybrids, where the electric portion can bank power.
 
2022-05-16 12:23:27 AM  
Yeah, big whoop. Try getting a car without one of those fancy self starters. Nobody knows how to start a car with a crank anymore.
 
2022-05-16 12:24:03 AM  

PadreScout: Eskurido: Mr. Eugenides: FTFA: "The overarching trend in the car world has been that the manual transmission is on the way out."

That was indeed the trend 20 years ago. Today it's that the internal combustion engine is on the way out.

Yeah, I love my manual Crosstrek but I know it'll be my last stick shift. When it finally dies, I'll be going electric.

Get an electric with a manual. Row that Prius!


Most of the electrics only have one gear. I guess it's sorta manual that way- you do every gear change yourself. It's just that there aren't any.
 
2022-05-16 1:20:39 AM  
raygundan:Most of the electrics only have one gear. I guess it's sorta manual that way- you do every gear change yourself. It's just that there aren't any.

Toyota has patented a manual transmission for EVs, but why bother adding complexity?
 
2022-05-16 1:52:50 AM  
I drove manuals most of my life and now drive auto. I'm never going back to manual. It's a 98 Toyota Tacoma 4WD with the ECT (electronically controlled transmission) option and it kicks ass over manual for knowing when to shift. It's easy enough to make it almost a manual by judicious use of the accelerator.

The ECT is for get up and go. The regular mode is so smooth shifting I don't feel it all the time.

And the auto makes off roading much better because it is soooo much easier to control wheel spin. It's much harder with a stick.
 
2022-05-16 3:23:04 AM  
I'll just keep my 30-year-old stickshift cars, thanks. They're paid for, they look good, i can find them in a parking lot, and they don't have touchscreens or telemetry packages installed.

EVs don't really do manuals (except some Honda hybrids back in the day), primarily because most motors put out so much torque they basically strip out the gears.

Way back in the early days some cars would use flat motors mounted directly to the wheels. That would be a huge amount of unsprung weight though so I wouldn't really advocate if for modern cars.
 
2022-05-16 3:30:40 AM  

asymptonic: Autoerotic Defenestration: [Fark user image 850x850]

You brag about tying your own shoelaces?


CSB. Our kindergarten class had a wall with paper shoes on it and when you could show that you could tie your shoes they took your shoe down.  I never really gave it much thought. One day mine was the last shoe on the wall. "Holy shiat!"  That evening I asked my Dad to show me how to tie my shoes.  Went over it a few times. "Got it, thanks Dad!" and the next day when in and demonstrated I could tie my shoes. Down came my paper shoe.  /CSB

/well it was cool to me
//have driven manual transmissions since I learned to drive
///miss it sometimes but most of the newer automatics have a manual selection mode that mimics the experience without having to work a clutch.
 
2022-05-16 3:47:03 AM  

relaxitsjustme: asymptonic: Autoerotic Defenestration: [Fark user image 850x850]

You brag about tying your own shoelaces?

CSB. Our kindergarten class had a wall with paper shoes on it and when you could show that you could tie your shoes they took your shoe down.  I never really gave it much thought. One day mine was the last shoe on the wall. "Holy shiat!"  That evening I asked my Dad to show me how to tie my shoes.  Went over it a few times. "Got it, thanks Dad!" and the next day when in and demonstrated I could tie my shoes. Down came my paper shoe.  /CSB

/well it was cool to me
//have driven manual transmissions since I learned to drive
///miss it sometimes but most of the newer automatics have a manual selection mode that mimics the experience without having to work a clutch.


I don't really need to shift, but I like the control. If I'm not physically in control of the box, might as well have the hand free.
 
2022-05-16 5:52:25 AM  
Manual is still the primary transmission type in a lot of countries. Most of Europe still uses them. Hell I just rented a manual golf in Frankfurt, and the same goes for Australia still mostly manuals over there too.

I attribute the auto trans with American laziness, just another thing we need to pay attention to just a little less in our daily rat race to the bottom.
 
2022-05-16 6:52:35 AM  

tedthebellhopp: Manual is still the primary transmission type in a lot of countries. Most of Europe still uses them.


Yeah, I was wondering about that list.  It seems like it might be a list of manual-equipped cars that are sold in America instead of worldwide.  My wife has commented on Europe's use of manuals, and if you plan on renting a car when traveling, you're going to have a much easier time finding a car if you can drive a manual.

I like driving a manual ('14 Accord, the only car I've ever bought new), but I live in a semi-rural hilly/mountainous area.  When I need a little extra gear, it's nice not to have to hit the gas to get the car to downshift like you'd typically need to do with an automatic.  If I still lived in Philly or San Antonio though?  I think I'd pass.

Unless something goes catastrophically wrong with my car, I'm anticipating it'll be the last car I own.  I WFH and the only reason I drive almost every day is because I have to pick up my daughter from school.  Once she's done in a couple years, I'm back to driving only one day every week, and that'll just be the round trip to the grocery store, so I'll only be logging about 40 miles every week (about 2,000 per year).
 
2022-05-16 7:08:33 AM  
My car started out as a automatic, but I had to convert it:

I mean I was 19, driving a turbo powered rocketship of a car and the gearbox just exploded. Honest.

(Wierd huh?)

Dad made me fix the car...the auto was out of the question, so manual conversion it was...

...and a nasty introduction into the world of EFI computers (there is quite a lot of alterations between a automatic and manual ECU map)
 
2022-05-16 7:13:45 AM  
I had a top-end Mini Cooper S from 2006 to ~2013. Last of the 1st-Gen body styling, so gorgeous. Pain in the ass in traffic, but also easily the most-fun-to-drive car I've ever owned. 6sp manual and a little throaty, poppy exhaust note when you hit it, handled like a farking go-kart on a track and I drove it like one, too.
 
2022-05-16 8:47:38 AM  
I have a Morgan roadster with a 5 speed, a Saturn Sky with a 5 speed and a 2020 Lotus Evora GT with An IPS automatic transmission. My previous  2010 Evora had a 6 speed manual.

The new Evora is equipped with paddle shifters and I found that after driving for 60 years, using all kinds of manual and automatic transmissions, I never had to use my left hand for shifting. Downshifting when engaged in spirited driving requires conscious thought. Should improve with time and miles.
 
2022-05-16 11:34:15 AM  
I've owned 5 cars with manuals, 2 cars with automatics, and now 3 cars with NO transmission -- electric cars. For those who enjoy the control of a manual, try an electric car with strong regenerative braking. It's like driving your car in 2nd gear all the time. You can drive with one pedal (excepting a full stop). Nice.
 
2022-05-16 11:43:04 AM  

centrifugal bumblepuppy: raygundan:Most of the electrics only have one gear. I guess it's sorta manual that way- you do every gear change yourself. It's just that there aren't any.

Toyota has patented a manual transmission for EVs, but why bother adding complexity?


That's... something.  It's not really a transmission, it's more of a software emulation layer to make a one-speed EV feel like it has a clutch and multiple gears.  They even talk about how they're going to simulate stalls.

This is like those CVT transmissions that have eight "gears" you select manually with paddles instead of just shifting smoothly to the optimal ratio... some people love manually shifting so much they'll apparently pay to do it in a car that would literally perform better if you left it alone.

People who LOVE to shift might look into a modern bicycle.  With the relatively low "engine" power, you have to shift all the time, and you'll have 20+ gears to work through.  Bonus: the transmission guts are visible in operation!
 
2022-05-16 12:13:51 PM  

raygundan: centrifugal bumblepuppy: raygundan:Most of the electrics only have one gear. I guess it's sorta manual that way- you do every gear change yourself. It's just that there aren't any.

Toyota has patented a manual transmission for EVs, but why bother adding complexity?

That's... something.  It's not really a transmission, it's more of a software emulation layer to make a one-speed EV feel like it has a clutch and multiple gears.  They even talk about how they're going to simulate stalls.

This is like those CVT transmissions that have eight "gears" you select manually with paddles instead of just shifting smoothly to the optimal ratio... some people love manually shifting so much they'll apparently pay to do it in a car that would literally perform better if you left it alone.

People who LOVE to shift might look into a modern bicycle.  With the relatively low "engine" power, you have to shift all the time, and you'll have 20+ gears to work through.  Bonus: the transmission guts are visible in operation!


There are times, particularly when going downhill, that you'd rather use engine braking rather than overheat the regular brake system.
 
2022-05-16 12:37:37 PM  

relaxitsjustme: asymptonic: Autoerotic Defenestration: [Fark user image 850x850]

You brag about tying your own shoelaces?

CSB. Our kindergarten class had a wall with paper shoes on it and when you could show that you could tie your shoes they took your shoe down.  I never really gave it much thought. One day mine was the last shoe on the wall. "Holy shiat!"  That evening I asked my Dad to show me how to tie my shoes.  Went over it a few times. "Got it, thanks Dad!" and the next day when in and demonstrated I could tie my shoes. Down came my paper shoe.  /CSB

/well it was cool to me
//have driven manual transmissions since I learned to drive
///miss it sometimes but most of the newer automatics have a manual selection mode that mimics the experience without having to work a clutch.


Both my kids' first cars were sticks. Hard to text or hold a phone to your ear while driving a stick.  Also, when you leave the lights on and the battery dies, you can often roll-start it.
 
2022-05-16 1:36:02 PM  

jaytkay: Fursecution: Lot more than I expected, TBH.

Yeah, since the 1970s I have known that automatics are the norm.

And I have never owned one. Bought my most recent stick 10 months ago.


Did it have a onion belt holder?
 
2022-05-16 2:21:54 PM  

centrifugal bumblepuppy: raygundan:Most of the electrics only have one gear. I guess it's sorta manual that way- you do every gear change yourself. It's just that there aren't any.

Toyota has patented a manual transmission for EVs, but why bother adding complexity?


There are some performance advantages. Electric motors make 100% of their torque at zero RPM, but as they approach their free speed the amount of torque generated drops dramatically.

The Porsche Taycan uses a 2 speed gearbox to great advantage. Less powerful motors, slower off the line, but the second gear gives it better acceleration at highway speeds.
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2022-05-16 3:02:51 PM  

tedthebellhopp: Manual is still the primary transmission type in a lot of countries. Most of Europe still uses them. Hell I just rented a manual golf in Frankfurt, and the same goes for Australia still mostly manuals over there too.

I attribute the auto trans with American laziness, just another thing we need to pay attention to just a little less in our daily rat race to the bottom.


I suspect we just have loads of disposable income a lot of Europeans dont.

Why wouldn't we want automatics?  They shift faster, they get better gas mileage, and they're easier to  operate while we do everything in the farking world  that's not paying attention to the road while driving.
 
2022-05-16 4:38:05 PM  

PadreScout: Why wouldn't we want automatics?


Why would anyone want to drive anything?  I mean, when I want to go somewhere, I have my man Bates bring my car around, and he whisks me off to my private plane.  I never have to sully my hands by ever touching a *shudder* steering wheel or gear shift.  That's for the common people.
 
2022-05-16 9:24:38 PM  

krispos42: raygundan: centrifugal bumblepuppy: raygundan:Most of the electrics only have one gear. I guess it's sorta manual that way- you do every gear change yourself. It's just that there aren't any.

Toyota has patented a manual transmission for EVs, but why bother adding complexity?

That's... something.  It's not really a transmission, it's more of a software emulation layer to make a one-speed EV feel like it has a clutch and multiple gears.  They even talk about how they're going to simulate stalls.

This is like those CVT transmissions that have eight "gears" you select manually with paddles instead of just shifting smoothly to the optimal ratio... some people love manually shifting so much they'll apparently pay to do it in a car that would literally perform better if you left it alone.

People who LOVE to shift might look into a modern bicycle.  With the relatively low "engine" power, you have to shift all the time, and you'll have 20+ gears to work through.  Bonus: the transmission guts are visible in operation!

There are times, particularly when going downhill, that you'd rather use engine braking rather than overheat the regular brake system.


Well sure- but what does that have to do with manual vs automatic?  Don't most automatics have a "downhill" gear for that?  Every one I've had across three decades has.  And EVs just use the regen system to accomplish the same thing.
 
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