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(CBC)   Dyck went down, won't come up. I swear this has never happened to me before   (cbc.ca) divider line
    More: Fail, Lawsuit, Pleading, Geotechnical engineering, Bridge, Allegation, Regina engineer Scott Gullacher, Geotechnical investigation, Contract bridge  
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6 days ago  
None of the parties involved could organise action in a brothel if they opened negotiations with a fist full of $100 bills...
 
6 days ago  
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6 days ago  
Meet The Dycks (Letterkenny)
Youtube 7TcuPpgmoNo
 
6 days ago  
I suggest a tour in the Russian army as an engineer for punishment.
 
6 days ago  
Well I started reading the article and immediately decided it was an open-and-shut case to hold the engineer responsible, but by the end of the article I'm seeing that the authorities who commissioned and paid for the bridge have a lot to be responsible for too.

The takeaway lesson is that when a regional authority spending tax revenues (ie not their money) hire the cheap guy and demand inferior construction methods and publicly bag out any suggestion that geotechnical investigations might be a good idea before constructing bridge supports then dump tons of gravel on the bridge which it wasn't designed to hold because they're idiots, yeah it's gonna collapse.

You get what you pay for and in this case it's idiots farking up badly. Could have spent a bit more and had a bridge, but no, this had to be done ultra cheap, and now it's a very expensive mess.

(Of course if it was just a mess they needed, they should have hired me. I'd have created a very similar mess for a fraction of the $750,000 they paid.)
 
6 days ago  

Doc Daneeka: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/7TcuPpgmoNo]


LetterKenny - Dycks Gash
Youtube TDL4DjqI690
 
6 days ago  
More like "Can't-struct" amirite?
 
6 days ago  
Soo, what exactly is the structural component in that center segment between the pillars?
Because on mobile the pic looks like pure concrete with barely any rebar.
Any civil engineers willing to explain?

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6 days ago  

maddermaxx: Doc Daneeka: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/7TcuPpgmoNo]

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I bet the reason all of those skits are shot with the Dycks on one side and the boys in the other frame is to avoid all the retakes from people breaking character as the Dycks goes through their lines.
 
6 days ago  
I've said before that if I ever find out I'm in a building designed by one of my civil engineering classmates, I will immediately leave the building and never come back.

Today I'm adding bridges to that.  And I should probably add living downstream of any dams they design.
 
6 days ago  

Aussie_As: Well I started reading the article and immediately decided it was an open-and-shut case to hold the engineer responsible, but by the end of the article I'm seeing that the authorities who commissioned and paid for the bridge have a lot to be responsible for too.

The takeaway lesson is that when a regional authority spending tax revenues (ie not their money) hire the cheap guy and demand inferior construction methods and publicly bag out any suggestion that geotechnical investigations might be a good idea before constructing bridge supports then dump tons of gravel on the bridge which it wasn't designed to hold because they're idiots, yeah it's gonna collapse.

You get what you pay for and in this case it's idiots farking up badly. Could have spent a bit more and had a bridge, but no, this had to be done ultra cheap, and now it's a very expensive mess.

(Of course if it was just a mess they needed, they should have hired me. I'd have created a very similar mess for a fraction of the $750,000 they paid.)


Nope. As a professional you are required to make sure things are done safely and properly. If a geological survey was required it needed to be done regardless of cost or delay and if the customer wouldn't do it he should have refused the job. Really he's arguing that he built a bridge that could have killed people at the customer's request and as somebody claiming to be a professional engineer that isn't much of a defense.
 
6 days ago  

Doc Daneeka: [YouTube video: Meet The Dycks (Letterkenny)]


One thing i only recently learned is that J-roc (Jonathon Torrens) from trailer park boys plays Noah Dyck. Still don't see it, as it's a completely different character, but anyways, have a tug and carry on.
 
6 days ago  

bisi: Soo, what exactly is the structural component in that center segment between the pillars?
Because on mobile the pic looks like pure concrete with barely any rebar.
Any civil engineers willing to explain?

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Looks like cob to me.  Not the first thing I'd build a bridge out of, but I'm no engineer!
 
6 days ago  
As engineers are supposed to add in safety factors according to formulas developed based not just on theory, but hard-earned experience... if an engineer says the bridge is OK and then it collapses, they better hope like hell a contractor was criminally farking with materials quality under their noses.

This is something a 'real' engineer - a sombre professional who understands their work can kill if they screw up - takes seriously and would never let happen.  And if it does happen, they should absolutely be seen as either incompetent or corrupt and have their credentials stripped either way so they are never able to do this again.
 
6 days ago  
"the engineer who designed the bridge, Scott Gullacher, hadn't done a geotechnical investigation of the riverbed before installing the piles."

As someone who's been in engineering for 35 years - WHAT THE ABSOLUTELY-INCOMPETENT F**K?
 
6 days ago  

oldfarthenry: "the engineer who designed the bridge, Scott Gullacher, hadn't done a geotechnical investigation of the riverbed before installing the piles."

As someone who's been in engineering for 35 years - WHAT THE ABSOLUTELY-INCOMPETENT F**K?


It's OK, it's just some guy taking things casually, endangering lives, and staining the reputation of your profession.  No biggie.
 
6 days ago  

oldfarthenry: "the alleged engineer who designed the bridge, Scott Gullacher, hadn't done a geotechnical investigation of the riverbed before installing the piles."

As someone who's been in engineering for 35 years - WHAT THE ABSOLUTELY-INCOMPETENT F**K?


FTFY
 
6 days ago  

oldfarthenry: "the engineer who designed the bridge, Scott Gullacher, hadn't done a geotechnical investigation of the riverbed before installing the piles."

As someone who's been in engineering for 35 years - WHAT THE ABSOLUTELY-INCOMPETENT F**K?


"eh looks good enough" is exactly the sort of attitude that you want in structural engineering.
 
6 days ago  
Nobody knows what it is," he said. At the time, Hicks chalked it up to an "act of God."

There you have it. Official cause of collapse is "God hates this bridge."
 
6 days ago  
"...he designed a bridge in rural Saskatchewan that collapsed just hours after it was opened to the public."

Well, thank God for that!  I mean, no Dyck erection should last longer than four hours.

/I'll just see myself out, thank you.
 
6 days ago  
Are they going to take away his iron ring??  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Ring
 
6 days ago  

ChrisDe: Nobody knows what it is," he said. At the time, Hicks chalked it up to an "act of God."

There you have it. Official cause of collapse is "God hates this bridge."


"F*ck that town in tornado alley
F*ck that kid with cancer,

Oooh, new bridge...

F*ck that bridge in particular."
-God, I presume
 
6 days ago  

Aussie_As: Well I started reading the article and immediately decided it was an open-and-shut case to hold the engineer responsible, but by the end of the article I'm seeing that the authorities who commissioned and paid for the bridge have a lot to be responsible for too.

The takeaway lesson is that when a regional authority spending tax revenues (ie not their money) hire the cheap guy and demand inferior construction methods and publicly bag out any suggestion that geotechnical investigations might be a good idea before constructing bridge supports then dump tons of gravel on the bridge which it wasn't designed to hold because they're idiots, yeah it's gonna collapse.

You get what you pay for and in this case it's idiots farking up badly. Could have spent a bit more and had a bridge, but no, this had to be done ultra cheap, and now it's a very expensive mess.

(Of course if it was just a mess they needed, they should have hired me. I'd have created a very similar mess for a fraction of the $750,000 they paid.)


I've been handed bad designs before and as an Engineer, PE or not, it is my responsibility to not allow a product that I feel is unsafe to go forward.
 
6 days ago  
That bit about them covering the bridge in gravel seems suspect. That's not something you do by accident. If it turns out that was the error that broke the bridge then Saskatchewan is going to end up owing this guy big time.
 
6 days ago  
Why did they put a foot and a half of rock on top of it and how much rock was it supposed to have?
 
6 days ago  
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6 days ago  

oldfarthenry: "the engineer who designed the bridge, Scott Gullacher, hadn't done a geotechnical investigation of the riverbed before installing the piles."

As someone who's been in engineering for 35 years - WHAT THE ABSOLUTELY-INCOMPETENT F**K?


I don't know, looking at the picture, the piles look fine.
Isn't it more than a little suspect that the middle section broke off this cleanly at the supports?
Why does it look like unreinforced concrete with no support beam?
 
6 days ago  

synithium: Why did they put a foot and a half of rock on top of it and how much rock was it supposed to have?


Maybe they thought the bridge was a playground.
 
6 days ago  

bisi: oldfarthenry (...)


Nevermind, I just realized that the support on the left side seems to have sunken down quite a bit.
 
6 days ago  
Lowest bidder you say?
 
6 days ago  
So, no driving over any Saskquatch Dycks today? I always have that marked for Saturdays, dangit.
 
6 days ago  

BumpInTheNight: maddermaxx: Doc Daneeka: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/7TcuPpgmoNo]

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I bet the reason all of those skits are shot with the Dycks on one side and the boys in the other frame is to avoid all the retakes from people breaking character as the Dycks goes through their lines.


Oh yeah.  You can see it in that second clip, the way Torrens is just standing like he's on stage giving a performance, with the reactions clearly shot separately.  Hell, the way he stops, turns to leave, then comes back was pure, 100% "oh, wait, hang on, I just thought of one more."  I'm sure the show as a whole is very tightly scripted, you don't get their trademark rapid-fire banter organically, but when one character gets to gradually monologue like that, I get the feeling there's at least a little room for improv.
 
6 days ago  
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6 days ago  

Last Man on Earth: BumpInTheNight: maddermaxx: Doc Daneeka: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/7TcuPpgmoNo]

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I bet the reason all of those skits are shot with the Dycks on one side and the boys in the other frame is to avoid all the retakes from people breaking character as the Dycks goes through their lines.

Oh yeah.  You can see it in that second clip, the way Torrens is just standing like he's on stage giving a performance, with the reactions clearly shot separately.  Hell, the way he stops, turns to leave, then comes back was pure, 100% "oh, wait, hang on, I just thought of one more."  I'm sure the show as a whole is very tightly scripted, you don't get their trademark rapid-fire banter organically, but when one character gets to gradually monologue like that, I get the feeling there's at least a little room for improv.


On one level, a scene of nothing but a continuous string of dick jokes is kind of juvenile, and low-hanging comedy fruit.

But on the other hand, you have to admire how much they really lean in and commit to it.  Somehow without breaking.  There must have been a lot of takes.  I found myself laughing hard in spite of (because of?) how stupid it was.
 
6 days ago  
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That is the oldesnt looking brand new bridge i've ever seen. that's a rough 4 hours old.
 
6 days ago  

bisi: Soo, what exactly is the structural component in that center segment between the pillars?
Because on mobile the pic looks like pure concrete with barely any rebar.
Any civil engineers willing to explain?

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I'm looking at this piece of shiat and wondering whether this could be the first bridge project that this guy attempted. Maybe they said, meh, the guy has no experience in bridge projects but this is small enough that any monkey could design it... and a monkey it was.
 
6 days ago  
I need to find a
New Regina
Any kinda
New Regina
It's hard to rhyme a
Word like Regina
Calvin Klein kinda
North Carolina
 
6 days ago  
Definitely no career in politics ahead for this guy:

"Inertia admits that a portion of the bridge collapsed."
 
6 days ago  
Hicks also revealed that the engineer who designed the bridge, Scott Gullacher, hadn't done a geotechnical investigation of the riverbed before installing the piles.

Problems with piles?
Needs

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6 days ago  
This is incredibly dumb for several reasons, the biggest being that the local AHJ didn't get a Geotechnical Report done.

In Canada, the designing engineer (typically structural and/or civil) cannot directly hire for a Geotechnical Report. This is to
 
6 days ago  

Doc Daneeka: Last Man on Earth: BumpInTheNight: maddermaxx: Doc Daneeka: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/7TcuPpgmoNo]

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I bet the reason all of those skits are shot with the Dycks on one side and the boys in the other frame is to avoid all the retakes from people breaking character as the Dycks goes through their lines.

Oh yeah.  You can see it in that second clip, the way Torrens is just standing like he's on stage giving a performance, with the reactions clearly shot separately.  Hell, the way he stops, turns to leave, then comes back was pure, 100% "oh, wait, hang on, I just thought of one more."  I'm sure the show as a whole is very tightly scripted, you don't get their trademark rapid-fire banter organically, but when one character gets to gradually monologue like that, I get the feeling there's at least a little room for improv.

On one level, a scene of nothing but a continuous string of dick jokes is kind of juvenile, and low-hanging comedy fruit.

But on the other hand, you have to admire how much they really lean in and commit to it.  Somehow without breaking.  There must have been a lot of takes.  I found myself laughing hard in spite of (because of?) how stupid it was.


Its that twinkle in Jonovision's eye as he delivers some of them, like he's trying his damnest to get the boys to break the skit and call out the phrasing.
 
6 days ago  

slantsix: This is incredibly dumb for several reasons, the biggest being that the local AHJ didn't get a Geotechnical Report done.

In Canada, the designing engineer (typically structural and/or civil) cannot directly hire for a Geotechnical Report. This is to


Oops.

This is too because there could be a clear conflict of interest. For our projects, we require the client to directly hire Geotechnical reports and any legal surveys, to protect ourselves.

I've also worked a bit in Saskatchewan and they tend to do things a little different there. Dangerous, stupid things. Because freedoms.

So the fact that there's apparently no Geotechnical Report, yet the local authority 1) issued a construction permit without one, and 2) issued an occupancy report without one, tells me that they have no case here.

That's not to say that the engineer shouldn't be held responsible, because he should be. He should have refused to hand over the contract documents without having that report in hand to verify his assumptions. There's also the possibility that a Geotech Report was performed on an adjacent or nearby piece of land, and somebody/everybody accepted those findings and they turned out to be incorrect. That does happen occasionally. I still have a lot of questions.

/currently being sued by a client
//they are going to drop it shortly
///they are non-experts and we are experts, so it shouldn't be a surprise
 
6 days ago  
It's the combination of 'engineer didn't do this incredibly standard thing' and 'RM put over a foot of gravel not called for in the design spec' that's going to make this one a hell of a case to figure out.  I figure the first probably overrides the later; you can prove the engineer farked up; you can't prove that if he had done his job that the RM would have collapsed the bridge with their idiocy.
 
6 days ago  

Aussie_As: Well I started reading the article and immediately decided it was an open-and-shut case to hold the engineer responsible, but by the end of the article I'm seeing that the authorities who commissioned and paid for the bridge have a lot to be responsible for too.


I still see it as an open-and-shut case against the engineer.  If the client insisted on using breadsticks instead of rebar in the concrete, would this engineer have gone along with that?  Engineers are supposed to work to standards and refuse to sign off on any project that does not meet those standards.  Because when they don't, sh*t like this happens.
 
6 days ago  
As someone who grew up in Saskatchewan; this story is classic Saskatchewan.
 
6 days ago  

bisi: Soo, what exactly is the structural component in that center segment between the pillars?
Because on mobile the pic looks like pure concrete with barely any rebar.
Any civil engineers willing to explain?

[Fark user image image 425x239]


Right now? Nothing.
 
6 days ago  

Bravissimo594: Definitely no career in politics ahead for this guy:

"Inertia admits that a portion of the bridge collapsed."


Wouldn't inertia mean the bridge stayed exactly where someone put it unless and until someone moved it?
 
6 days ago  

Dedmon: [i.cbc.ca image 780x439]That is the oldesnt looking brand new bridge i've ever seen. that's a rough 4 hours old.


Looks 90 if a day.
 
6 days ago  

GoldDude: Aussie_As: Well I started reading the article and immediately decided it was an open-and-shut case to hold the engineer responsible, but by the end of the article I'm seeing that the authorities who commissioned and paid for the bridge have a lot to be responsible for too.

I still see it as an open-and-shut case against the engineer.  If the client insisted on using breadsticks instead of rebar in the concrete, would this engineer have gone along with that?  Engineers are supposed to work to standards and refuse to sign off on any project that does not meet those standards.  Because when they don't, sh*t like this happens.


I don't know...  Are we talking about like a French baguette type of breadstick?  Because that may have a higher tensile strength than the rebar.

Now if it was just a standard Italian bread, it would probably collapse as soon as it got wet. Wait... Have we checked what's in the concrete of this bridge?
 
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